8) ASP. ASP is only really useful in large apps when paired with COM objects written in C++ or VB. So you have the problems with a scripted language combined with the problems of compiled languages.
That was the conventional wisdom. But the fact is you could write OO-ish code in VBScript or JScript just as easily as you can in PHP.
I have seen Java projects fail because of the language, but for performance issues, and not because the language is inadequite
The biggest problem I've seen with Java projects have been cost issues, not performance. For some reason Java tends to attract "architects" who have "patterns" that require 12 different objects for every simple operation. And then you need a large group of people generating cookie-cutter code to fit the architecture. And then you end up with this thing that looks nice on paper, but nobody can make the Back Button work properly.
Of course, one could write PHP code that's as complex as J2EE architecture, and Java code that's along the lines of PHP templates. But cultural tendancy in the Java world seems to be Lots Of Code, Lots of Programmers, Lots Of Overhead.
Like most languages, it's possible to write unsecure code.
And PHP does a few things that are UNlike other environments that encourage insecure code.
The database interface pretty much encourages SQL-injection friendly logic, and the "Magic Quotes" hack that PHP came up with is just disgusting. Compare that to Java where programmers are encouraged to use safe Command and Parameter objects, or just abstract the SQL generation away with Hibernate etc.
And the Register Globals thing was just lamebrained to begin with. Apparently there's still projects that depend on it, so it can't entirely be removed.
So, yeah, webapps can be insecure in any language, but much of PHP's poor reputation stems from PHP trying to be too smart for their own good, and a community that doesn't really understand good practices.
I ran away screaming from Domino years ago, but just to give folks an idea of how bad it was, most of the HTML generation was done using a spreadsheet-like formula language. Imagine programming your webapp in a combination of Excel and VB6 Forms, and that's Domino.
I think you hit the main reason -- Originally, HP announced that they were going to make a custom version of the iPod that could be identified as an HP product. They eventually just repackaged the "Apple iPod By HP", which really did nothing for them. They don't need to put their name on the box to resell iPods.
As for the original point about Microsoft, that's really the effect more than the cause. HP also pushes Linux a lot, and anything else they can get off-the-shelf with minimal effort. The entire computer industry is now reselling commidified stuff and only making a margin by exploiting branding and sales networks. HP has huge brand-recognition, and they don't "Invent" anything, only resell it. Even Apple has finally gone this route for hardware.
PowerBooks sell incredibly well because among other things compared to many PC Laptops they are made very well. Where many PC Laptops feel like they're made out of cheap plastic the Mac Laptops are made out of Bulletproof plastic (iBooks) and Aluminum (PowerBooks)
As a daily user of a AiBook 15 and a IBM T41, I'll disagree. The Powerbook has very quality looks and build, but feels fragile. It makes a great machine for metrosexuals who spent their own money on a stylish machine that they'll take care of, but no way in hell would you give these things out to 100 salesmen.
The ThinkPad is "cheap plastic" and has eject buttons and random ports all over it, but between the two, it's the machine you would rather drop onto the floor.
If Windows had done Dashboard, Mac users worldwide wouldn't be able to shut up about how Windows ripped off poor Konfabulator.
Actually, Windows did do "Dashboard" back in 1998, but the widgets were stuck to your desktop, and your PC only had 64MB of RAM, and the stock widgets seemed to be mainly spamish RSS-type newsfeeds, so it didn't seem all that. But it was the same basic idea.
It was interesting for about 10 minutes and then forgotten (much like I expect Dashboard and Konfabulator to be). As for Mac users, they've shown that they are totally immune to things Windows implemented years before Apple did.
Since about 10 years ago, which is apparently after BSDers such as yourself stopped paying attention to the computing world.
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No, I'm happy you think I'm a douche. Mission accomplished. Better to be a troll than some shitass zealot who's nerdpenis is apparently dependant on an undocumented, broken shell variable.
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Except for one measly server at work, I don't even use Linux that much. Whoops. Now please drive through.
Actually, FreeBSD does make the FreeBSD port of Java, without Sun's help. But regardless of who's fault it is, the result is the same -- there's a huge portion of traditionally *nix applications that don't run on FreeBSD.
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Ooo, getting touchy, are we? If it gets you overly agitated, maybe it would be best for your sanity to not click into Slashdot troll-articles in the future. Then you can stay in that happy place where BSD is the best.
Um, no, it certainly is not. Its forte is low-end server installations running stand-alone installations of stock Unix software.
As for the rest of your post about "Ports rock over Linux blah blah blah", I suggest you back and read my post because you're a perfect object example of what I'm talking about.
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8) ASP. ASP is only really useful in large apps when paired with COM objects written in C++ or VB. So you have the problems with a scripted language combined with the problems of compiled languages.
That was the conventional wisdom. But the fact is you could write OO-ish code in VBScript or JScript just as easily as you can in PHP.
Sure, but that's a 2-Tier application. Write something in .NET that's done "J2EE-Style", and then you can enjoy the fun of deploying things into COM+.
I have seen Java projects fail because of the language, but for performance issues, and not because the language is inadequite
The biggest problem I've seen with Java projects have been cost issues, not performance. For some reason Java tends to attract "architects" who have "patterns" that require 12 different objects for every simple operation. And then you need a large group of people generating cookie-cutter code to fit the architecture. And then you end up with this thing that looks nice on paper, but nobody can make the Back Button work properly.
Of course, one could write PHP code that's as complex as J2EE architecture, and Java code that's along the lines of PHP templates. But cultural tendancy in the Java world seems to be Lots Of Code, Lots of Programmers, Lots Of Overhead.
Like most languages, it's possible to write unsecure code.
And PHP does a few things that are UNlike other environments that encourage insecure code.
The database interface pretty much encourages SQL-injection friendly logic, and the "Magic Quotes" hack that PHP came up with is just disgusting. Compare that to Java where programmers are encouraged to use safe Command and Parameter objects, or just abstract the SQL generation away with Hibernate etc.
And the Register Globals thing was just lamebrained to begin with. Apparently there's still projects that depend on it, so it can't entirely be removed.
So, yeah, webapps can be insecure in any language, but much of PHP's poor reputation stems from PHP trying to be too smart for their own good, and a community that doesn't really understand good practices.
If you are stuck with MSSQL for your database backend then forget about anything but ASP
We have no problems using Java and the open source JTDS driver with MS-SQL. (But then again, we're not particularlly high load or anything, so ymmv.)
I ran away screaming from Domino years ago, but just to give folks an idea of how bad it was, most of the HTML generation was done using a spreadsheet-like formula language. Imagine programming your webapp in a combination of Excel and VB6 Forms, and that's Domino.
Yup, Perl is the language of choice to generate non-conformant HTML 3.2.
I think you hit the main reason -- Originally, HP announced that they were going to make a custom version of the iPod that could be identified as an HP product. They eventually just repackaged the "Apple iPod By HP", which really did nothing for them. They don't need to put their name on the box to resell iPods.
As for the original point about Microsoft, that's really the effect more than the cause. HP also pushes Linux a lot, and anything else they can get off-the-shelf with minimal effort. The entire computer industry is now reselling commidified stuff and only making a margin by exploiting branding and sales networks. HP has huge brand-recognition, and they don't "Invent" anything, only resell it. Even Apple has finally gone this route for hardware.
Yeah, that's what it says, but it does work fine with IE6.
In other words, they removed a nice feature and returned you to the navigation system found in old <= v3 browsers.
I have no idea if this works with IE7, but it's fine with IE6. (And it's another feature FF borrowed and now gets credit for.)
c cess/webdevaccess.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/weba
Microsoft actually thought about shipping this as a product for a while -- 32-bit DOS!
PowerBooks sell incredibly well because among other things compared to many PC Laptops they are made very well. Where many PC Laptops feel like they're made out of cheap plastic the Mac Laptops are made out of Bulletproof plastic (iBooks) and Aluminum (PowerBooks)
As a daily user of a AiBook 15 and a IBM T41, I'll disagree. The Powerbook has very quality looks and build, but feels fragile. It makes a great machine for metrosexuals who spent their own money on a stylish machine that they'll take care of, but no way in hell would you give these things out to 100 salesmen.
The ThinkPad is "cheap plastic" and has eject buttons and random ports all over it, but between the two, it's the machine you would rather drop onto the floor.
By the standards of the FreeBSD project, apparently.
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See http://www.freebsd.org/java/dists/15.html
who link here:
http://www.eyesbeyond.com/freebsddom/java/jdk15.h
If Windows had done Dashboard, Mac users worldwide wouldn't be able to shut up about how Windows ripped off poor Konfabulator.
e ry/default.mspx
Actually, Windows did do "Dashboard" back in 1998, but the widgets were stuck to your desktop, and your PC only had 64MB of RAM, and the stock widgets seemed to be mainly spamish RSS-type newsfeeds, so it didn't seem all that. But it was the same basic idea.
The MS widget list is here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/gall
(Wow, there's a grand total of 3 which still work, I'm amazed.)
It was interesting for about 10 minutes and then forgotten (much like I expect Dashboard and Konfabulator to be). As for Mac users, they've shown that they are totally immune to things Windows implemented years before Apple did.
Since about 10 years ago, which is apparently after BSDers such as yourself stopped paying attention to the computing world.
No, I'm happy you think I'm a douche. Mission accomplished. Better to be a troll than some shitass zealot who's nerdpenis is apparently dependant on an undocumented, broken shell variable.
Except for one measly server at work, I don't even use Linux that much. Whoops. Now please drive through.
Actually, FreeBSD does make the FreeBSD port of Java, without Sun's help. But regardless of who's fault it is, the result is the same -- there's a huge portion of traditionally *nix applications that don't run on FreeBSD.
Ooo, getting touchy, are we? If it gets you overly agitated, maybe it would be best for your sanity to not click into Slashdot troll-articles in the future. Then you can stay in that happy place where BSD is the best.
So, FreeBSD is lying about their non-production alpha-quality java support? Really makes me want to run out and use it right away.
> FreeBSD is rather high-end.
Um, no, it certainly is not. Its forte is low-end server installations running stand-alone installations of stock Unix software.
As for the rest of your post about "Ports rock over Linux blah blah blah", I suggest you back and read my post because you're a perfect object example of what I'm talking about.
I stand corrected.
I thought Lazar claims to have actually seen a Little Green Man. He's either a kook, or a scammer, but I admit his rocket cars are pretty cool.
Demo version from a year ago. No sign of prodcution support....