My bad. I was under the impression that most ethernet cards did their own ICMP handling for some packets, most notably ping. Guess not. --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Well, I for one don't miss having to modify my/etc/rc.d files myself and worry about breaking things. Granted, Debian packages tend to be much better-behaved, and I only use official packages (which AFAIK have to fit *all* of the packaging standards, as well as come from a trusted, signed source) so I've yet to be burned by a rogue package inserting a bad startup script. Ahh, peer review... --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
USB - being addressed, will be available in the 2.4 kernel. PnP - also being addressed, and personally I prefer the combination of control and automation Linux's PnP gives (though granted, it's not newbie-friendly), but there's projects working on automatic detection/configuration of PnP devices. Parallel port scanners - I believe some are supported; if yours isn't, write a driver. 3D - almost complete; wait for XFree86 4.0.
Also, most of the MP3 things are frontends to mpg123 et al.:)
Actually, RedHat's/etc/rc.d hierarchy thing is a standard SysV way of doing configuration scripts, unlike Slackware's BSDish way (which basically amounts to little more than autoexec.bat). It makes it *much* easier to have packages which spawn daemons add/remove themselves without worry of frobnicating your scripts. Also, I don't know about RedHat (haven't used it in a while), but Debian puts other certain guarantees on the scripts based on execution order (for example, packages which rely on the network being active must be numbered 40 or higher IIRC). --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Ping isn't on a port. It's a low-level ICMP protocol, which exists at the IP level, completely independently of TCP. (TCP/IP refers to the combination of TCP atop IP; TCP is what handles packet ordering, error correction, and sockets etc.) This is why there is no 'ping' port, nor can you 'ping' a different port. Ping is so useful because it exists at the low level where no error checking etc. happen, so packets can be lost or misordered. Fun.
Oh, and you can't turn off ping. It's handled by the hardware layer (the device that IP sits on top of, usually ethernet, PPP, or loopback). Well, you *could* by castrating the hardware layer, but it's generally a Bad Idea. It's usually a better idea to just make sure there's no bugs which let ICMP controls frobnicate the system's kernel; this is exactly what MS didn't do in Win'95 OSR1. Oops.:)
Thanks to the Berne convention (sp?) all creative works by a person are implcitly copyright to them. As such, any artist whose work is used under a license that they do not agree with can sue, though it's rather difficult for the artist to prove that the work is theirs (especially when going up against a big corporation or whatever). Basically, art isn't put under a "license;" the artist can dictate whatever terms the art is available under. For example, put up a notice saying "this artwork can be distributed freely as long as it is not modified or used for profit" and you're covered. --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
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Daveo, why does daveo always refer to daveo in the third person, and usually by daveo's name rather than by his pronoun? And when he does, why does he still not use the first person like Pascal normally does?
(Sorry about that, I've just been curious for a while. If you have a learning disability and I've offended you, I apologize in advance; I've known some people who, due to odd quirks of their minds, simply can't comprehend first person, but generally those who have registered domains don't have this problem.:) --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
If you have control of the mailserver, setup whatever MTA you're using to use the MAPS RBL, which maintains lists of spammer IP addresses. If you don't have control of the mailserver, ask your mailserver admin to do so. --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Most polarization displays use rotational polarization, not linear. That is, the curl of the photons matters, rather than the... the whatever it is that is affected by linear polarization.:) Rotation doesn't matter in such situations, nor does which way the polarizer is plunked down (corkscrews remain with the same winding no matter how they're put down); the only real drawback (again, for this situation) is that you have to have two distinct polarizers rather than being able to have two of the same and just turn one 1.57079632679489661923132169 radians. --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Actually, Debian and Redhat are incredibly similar. They can even use each others' packages (via alien), and except for minor differences (like the way they arrange their rc.d script directories), they are practically interchangeable. What Debian has over RedHat, which is why I use it, is that it uses deb instead of RPM as its native package format. deb is much more powerful, having such features as:
Multiple levels of dependency (required, recommended, optional)
Both dependencies and providership, so that a program which needs, for example, vi can state that it requires, say, elvis, but only needs it for vi, and can use some other package that provides vi
Comes with ftp/http/etc. package repository capabilities out-of-the-box (yes, I know there's such things available for Redhat, but they're not as easy to find or learn, IMO); apt is *very* useful, since with a single commandline you can update your package lists and upgrade any packages which have changed (and it's all secure with md5 signatures on the secure Debian package repository servers); additionally, the beta/unstable distribution is always on the bleeding edge, and the current/stable distribution is constantly patched with any security fixes which are made available
There are also many features of the distribution itself which make me prefer it, namely:
Being the FSF's distribution, is biased heavily towards totally-free software, though also provides plenty of non-free software for those who need Netscape et al
There is a huge network of volunteers creating packages for just about anything you can find, and for those things you can't find, you can, again, use alien to install an RPM version
The packages have to adhere to very strict standards for inclusion as official, and any official-sanctioned packages generally show up on the package servers; none of those silly RPMs which put things in/usr/local or whatever *cough*Q3Test*cough*
It's got such a cool name:)
So basically, RedHat and Debian are basically the same OS, but Debian is a much better OS experience (strictly IMO). Of course, it could be argued that RedHat and Debian are different OSes than Slackware, and to that I'd somewhat agree, though they're still similar enough to have most things interchangeable (alien can also import/export "tarball" distributions such as what Slackware uses, and except for Slackware's antiquated/etc and/var layout - and this could have changed since 3.5, which is the last version I've used - they're still pretty much interchangeable).
Now, I realize that you were just trolling/flaming/etc., but I don't see that as a reason that I can't at least try to give some friendly information, right?:)
For anyone who cares, I ended up getting 97,609,200 points by level 6:9. I would have gotten a lot further (and likely well over 100 million points) except that I was tired and just *barely* slipped on a drop which would have completed 6:9 (but instead took away my last life, since I'd made two other just-barely slips on that level). Pissed me off, but I was too tired to do anything about it, so I went to bed. --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Incidentally, I saw this post while taking a break from Tetrisphere, in the middle of a "let's see how many points I can get" session. I'm on level 4:5 and already have 48.3 million. I doubt I'll have the attention span to get all the way to episode 13, though (my record when playing for speed).
See, 'coz like, Tetrisphere has these little robots which are shaped like a tennis ball and unfold into various utility robot forms, and one of them is fan-propelled and stuff, and...
*realizes she's rambling, and decides to hide in a corner where nobody will notice*
Ah, okay, so it does specifically cover devices such as the Rio, and not just any digital playback device. However: MOD players on laptops in 1992 had that functionality. (I know that in '92 notebook soundcards were nonexistant, but I built one of those LPT DAC things and used my mom's notebook as a portable Internet digital music player at that time.) --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Interestingly enough, there's a lot of AC posts with the same one-line-type of diatribe. I wonder if it's someone from Audiohighway. Regardless of this fact, there are quite a few portable DAT players. Just because something isn't specifically patented doesn't mean it isn't prior art. The whole point to a patent is that it is something new that the inventor is entitled to have their rights protected; I can't patent, say, a Von Neumann machine simply because there aren't (as far as I know) any patents on Von Neumann machines.
However, there have been plenty of digital recording devices which have also had portability for quite some time. Hell, the C64 had a (very crude) 4-bit DAC, and it had plenty of modems, and it was possible to download Castle Wolfenstein which used the 4-bit DAC to play digital audio, and there was a portable version of the C64...
Also, DATs have been around since when, 1987 or so? And there's plenty of portable DAT players out there. Minidisc also predates 1995 by quite a bit. --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Oh, true, and I wasn't meaning to state that it didn't cost them a single bit. It's just that the comparison between spam and junkmail breaks down REAL quick. --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
To : info@beaverhome.com, postmaster@beaverhome.com Cc : postmaster@globalcenter.net, root@globalcenter.net, abuse@globalcenter.net Subject : Spam is NOT acceptable You might thing it's the equivalent of electronic junk-mail, but there's a huge difference. In real-life junk mail, you have to pay for the printing and delivery of the mail. In spam, most of the charge is on the shoulders of the ISPs, who then take it out on your users. Would you like getting a million "have you seen me?" cards if you had to pay a tenth of a cent for each one? It seems innocent enough, but a million would be $10,000 at that rate. Or how about this - would you like it if telemarketers started calling your toll-free phone number to sell you things? Sure, you could just hang up the phone, but each one costs you what, 10 cents? 200,000 of those is $20,000. Adds up quickly, doesn't it? How much does it cost you and your current ISP to deal with each of these messages? I'm sure you're getting flooded with them by now. I support the Canadian court's ruling against you. You had no right to spam, nor does anyone else. Have fun trying to remove this burden from your name... --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
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To : info@beaverhome.com, postmaster@beaverhome.com Cc : postmaster@globalcenter.net, root@globalcenter.net, abuse@globalcenter.net Subject : Spam is NOT acceptable
You might thing it's the equivalent of electronic junk-mail, but there's a huge difference. In real-life junk mail, you have to pay for the printing and delivery of the mail. In spam, most of the charge is on the shoulders of the ISPs, who then take it out on your users. Would you like getting a million "have you seen me?" cards if you had to pay a tenth of a cent for each one? It seems innocent enough, but a million would be $10,000 at that rate.
Or how about this - would you like it if telemarketers started calling your toll-free phone number to sell you things? Sure, you could just hang up the phone, but each one costs you what, 10 cents? 200,000 of those is $20,000. Adds up quickly, doesn't it?
How much does it cost you and your current ISP to deal with each of these messages? I'm sure you're getting flooded with them by now.
I support the Canadian court's ruling against you. You had no right to spam, nor does anyone else.
Have fun trying to remove this burden from your name...
Ah, the joys of revisionist history. When the article was first posted, it made no mention of BeDope being satire, so now I just look like a flaming idiot, eh? (As opposed to the usual, when I'm just an idiot. Or flaming, I'm never quite sure.) --- "'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
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My bad. I was under the impression that most ethernet cards did their own ICMP handling for some packets, most notably ping. Guess not.
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Well, I for one don't miss having to modify my /etc/rc.d files myself and worry about breaking things. Granted, Debian packages tend to be much better-behaved, and I only use official packages (which AFAIK have to fit *all* of the packaging standards, as well as come from a trusted, signed source) so I've yet to be burned by a rogue package inserting a bad startup script. Ahh, peer review...
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USB - being addressed, will be available in the 2.4 kernel. PnP - also being addressed, and personally I prefer the combination of control and automation Linux's PnP gives (though granted, it's not newbie-friendly), but there's projects working on automatic detection/configuration of PnP devices. Parallel port scanners - I believe some are supported; if yours isn't, write a driver. 3D - almost complete; wait for XFree86 4.0.
Also, most of the MP3 things are frontends to mpg123 et al. :)
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Actually, RedHat's /etc/rc.d hierarchy thing is a standard SysV way of doing configuration scripts, unlike Slackware's BSDish way (which basically amounts to little more than autoexec.bat). It makes it *much* easier to have packages which spawn daemons add/remove themselves without worry of frobnicating your scripts. Also, I don't know about RedHat (haven't used it in a while), but Debian puts other certain guarantees on the scripts based on execution order (for example, packages which rely on the network being active must be numbered 40 or higher IIRC).
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Ping isn't on a port. It's a low-level ICMP protocol, which exists at the IP level, completely independently of TCP. (TCP/IP refers to the combination of TCP atop IP; TCP is what handles packet ordering, error correction, and sockets etc.) This is why there is no 'ping' port, nor can you 'ping' a different port. Ping is so useful because it exists at the low level where no error checking etc. happen, so packets can be lost or misordered. Fun.
Oh, and you can't turn off ping. It's handled by the hardware layer (the device that IP sits on top of, usually ethernet, PPP, or loopback). Well, you *could* by castrating the hardware layer, but it's generally a Bad Idea. It's usually a better idea to just make sure there's no bugs which let ICMP controls frobnicate the system's kernel; this is exactly what MS didn't do in Win'95 OSR1. Oops. :)
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Thanks to the Berne convention (sp?) all creative works by a person are implcitly copyright to them. As such, any artist whose work is used under a license that they do not agree with can sue, though it's rather difficult for the artist to prove that the work is theirs (especially when going up against a big corporation or whatever). Basically, art isn't put under a "license;" the artist can dictate whatever terms the art is available under. For example, put up a notice saying "this artwork can be distributed freely as long as it is not modified or used for profit" and you're covered.
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Yes.
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Daveo, why does daveo always refer to daveo in the third person, and usually by daveo's name rather than by his pronoun? And when he does, why does he still not use the first person like Pascal normally does?
(Sorry about that, I've just been curious for a while. If you have a learning disability and I've offended you, I apologize in advance; I've known some people who, due to odd quirks of their minds, simply can't comprehend first person, but generally those who have registered domains don't have this problem. :)
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If you have control of the mailserver, setup whatever MTA you're using to use the MAPS RBL, which maintains lists of spammer IP addresses. If you don't have control of the mailserver, ask your mailserver admin to do so.
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Most polarization displays use rotational polarization, not linear. That is, the curl of the photons matters, rather than the... the whatever it is that is affected by linear polarization. :) Rotation doesn't matter in such situations, nor does which way the polarizer is plunked down (corkscrews remain with the same winding no matter how they're put down); the only real drawback (again, for this situation) is that you have to have two distinct polarizers rather than being able to have two of the same and just turn one 1.57079632679489661923132169 radians.
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Actually, Debian and Redhat are incredibly similar. They can even use each others' packages (via alien), and except for minor differences (like the way they arrange their rc.d script directories), they are practically interchangeable. What Debian has over RedHat, which is why I use it, is that it uses deb instead of RPM as its native package format. deb is much more powerful, having such features as:
There are also many features of the distribution itself which make me prefer it, namely:
So basically, RedHat and Debian are basically the same OS, but Debian is a much better OS experience (strictly IMO). Of course, it could be argued that RedHat and Debian are different OSes than Slackware, and to that I'd somewhat agree, though they're still similar enough to have most things interchangeable (alien can also import/export "tarball" distributions such as what Slackware uses, and except for Slackware's antiquated /etc and /var layout - and this could have changed since 3.5, which is the last version I've used - they're still pretty much interchangeable).
Now, I realize that you were just trolling/flaming/etc., but I don't see that as a reason that I can't at least try to give some friendly information, right? :)
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Why not just keep your system and have the full 100 bogomips, though? :)
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For anyone who cares, I ended up getting 97,609,200 points by level 6:9. I would have gotten a lot further (and likely well over 100 million points) except that I was tired and just *barely* slipped on a drop which would have completed 6:9 (but instead took away my last life, since I'd made two other just-barely slips on that level). Pissed me off, but I was too tired to do anything about it, so I went to bed.
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Incidentally, I saw this post while taking a break from Tetrisphere, in the middle of a "let's see how many points I can get" session. I'm on level 4:5 and already have 48.3 million. I doubt I'll have the attention span to get all the way to episode 13, though (my record when playing for speed).
See, 'coz like, Tetrisphere has these little robots which are shaped like a tennis ball and unfold into various utility robot forms, and one of them is fan-propelled and stuff, and...
*realizes she's rambling, and decides to hide in a corner where nobody will notice*
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Wrong kind of radiation, dude. :)
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Ah, okay, so it does specifically cover devices such as the Rio, and not just any digital playback device. However: MOD players on laptops in 1992 had that functionality. (I know that in '92 notebook soundcards were nonexistant, but I built one of those LPT DAC things and used my mom's notebook as a portable Internet digital music player at that time.)
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Well, if your computer has a video card with SVHS output which leads to a 35" TV...
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Interestingly enough, there's a lot of AC posts with the same one-line-type of diatribe. I wonder if it's someone from Audiohighway. Regardless of this fact, there are quite a few portable DAT players. Just because something isn't specifically patented doesn't mean it isn't prior art. The whole point to a patent is that it is something new that the inventor is entitled to have their rights protected; I can't patent, say, a Von Neumann machine simply because there aren't (as far as I know) any patents on Von Neumann machines.
However, there have been plenty of digital recording devices which have also had portability for quite some time. Hell, the C64 had a (very crude) 4-bit DAC, and it had plenty of modems, and it was possible to download Castle Wolfenstein which used the 4-bit DAC to play digital audio, and there was a portable version of the C64...
Also, DATs have been around since when, 1987 or so? And there's plenty of portable DAT players out there. Minidisc also predates 1995 by quite a bit.
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So *that's* why I ended up in Virginia, not in California as I was expecting. No wonder...
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Propecia or Rogaine. They're both targeted androgen suppressants. Fun!
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Oh, true, and I wasn't meaning to state that it didn't cost them a single bit. It's just that the comparison between spam and junkmail breaks down REAL quick.
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To : info@beaverhome.com, postmaster@beaverhome.com Cc : postmaster@globalcenter.net, root@globalcenter.net, abuse@globalcenter.net Subject : Spam is NOT acceptable You might thing it's the equivalent of electronic junk-mail, but there's a huge difference. In real-life junk mail, you have to pay for the printing and delivery of the mail. In spam, most of the charge is on the shoulders of the ISPs, who then take it out on your users. Would you like getting a million "have you seen me?" cards if you had to pay a tenth of a cent for each one? It seems innocent enough, but a million would be $10,000 at that rate. Or how about this - would you like it if telemarketers started calling your toll-free phone number to sell you things? Sure, you could just hang up the phone, but each one costs you what, 10 cents? 200,000 of those is $20,000. Adds up quickly, doesn't it? How much does it cost you and your current ISP to deal with each of these messages? I'm sure you're getting flooded with them by now. I support the Canadian court's ruling against you. You had no right to spam, nor does anyone else. Have fun trying to remove this burden from your name...
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Gah, forgot to turn off HTML formatted. Another try!
To : info@beaverhome.com,
postmaster@beaverhome.com
Cc : postmaster@globalcenter.net,
root@globalcenter.net,
abuse@globalcenter.net
Subject : Spam is NOT acceptable
You might thing it's the equivalent of electronic junk-mail, but there's a huge difference. In real-life junk mail, you have to pay for the printing and delivery of the mail. In spam, most of the charge is on the shoulders of the ISPs, who then take it out on your users. Would you like getting a million "have you seen me?" cards if you had to pay a tenth of a cent for each one? It seems innocent enough, but a million would be $10,000 at that rate.
Or how about this - would you like it if telemarketers started calling your toll-free phone number to sell you things? Sure, you could just hang up the phone, but each one costs you what, 10 cents? 200,000 of those is $20,000. Adds up quickly, doesn't it?
How much does it cost you and your current ISP to deal with each of these messages? I'm sure you're getting flooded with them by now.
I support the Canadian court's ruling against you. You had no right to spam, nor does anyone else.
Have fun trying to remove this burden from your name...
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Ah, the joys of revisionist history. When the article was first posted, it made no mention of BeDope being satire, so now I just look like a flaming idiot, eh? (As opposed to the usual, when I'm just an idiot. Or flaming, I'm never quite sure.)
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