The United States has never been about peace, but about containment and stability
There is a very valid reason for this. Peace has always been expensive, in terms of human lives and economic waste
The process of peace, rarely in this world, has been the consequence of Ghandis, Christs or Kings(MLK), but through insuring STABILITY in the places that war is likely to break out.
Once there is relative peace, and a softened tolerable government, then there is time to think about the higher mankind laws like diplomacy. But "The tree of Liberty needs to be watered often by the blood of tyrants and patriots", and freedom is not always synonymous with peace.Thomas Jefferson"
With this 14 million dollars, they should focus marketing on their Distro in EU circles.
The popularity of SuSe is great in Europe and it wouldn't be as great of a challenge to convert users and organizations to Linux.
If they gave corporations and govt. incentives to purchase SuSe, like deals w/the OEMs to make systems that were preinstalled and came w/loads of Tech Support, they could throw a monky wrench in the Software licensing scheme.
Say for instance the incentives that companies had with Compaq 7 years ago. My dad got a 386/sx with windows 3x for about 1500 - a cost that was footed by the company.The same thing could be done for Linux today. Get a significant cash incentive, install some killer apps, along with a smooth game (Quake) for after hours and a internet connection and you can hook the average consumer on Linux. Next time they go out to buy a box, the consumer will most likely stick with SuSe.
Worked for MS, should work for SuSe.
All I'm saying is that you already have a product that is good, it's time to put it on display. Let it sink or float according to its merits.
Don't spend too much more time on a near perfect product. It's time to let it out to play with the big boys.
Back when PCs were becoming popular, my Dad worked for an insurance company that gave him a 1500 dollar computer allowance. He had a Compaq 386/sx with 16 mb of ram.
He didn't know a thing about windows. This was 1993/4 and there was just windows 3.1. But wing commmander really kicked on that box.
What I'm trying to say is that maybe there needs to be a similar approach in companies serious about switching from MS to Open Source. Offer incentives to workers to bring Linux home. Get a decent box with a standardized distro and offer a substantial discount for it. Offer a free tech support contract and have a stipulation that you cannot format and install windows.
Give them a kicking game to play (Quake) and a Online gaming account. That'll keep'em interested after hours.
See how many people go out for their second computer and sign up for a Linux box. It worked for OEMs and Microsoft. It should work for open source.
If you aren't downloading any thing, what do you need more than 56k to access the web. if you are, or just streaming, what makes you more entitled to bandwidth than anyone else?
This is exactly right. Now tell that to the Baby Bells and AT&T who are government supported as a natural monopoly and who receive billions of dollars of trickle down money because of GOVERNMENT regulation favoring their expansion and dominace.
Please! For goodness sake. Better a govt in your home town who you can easily vote out than a telco with millions to spend on lobbying efforts to keep themselves in business.
Here in Provo, UT, the city implemented a munincipal cable network. Lots of people were against it. The only reason that I was for it was because AT&T was so against it. It even allegedly took some of it's business away from a local cable competitor (King Cable) because they were installing the Provo Cable network. They shud down after that.
The problem persists that still, there are areas of Provo that were supposed to be serviced by AT&T 2 years ago that still don't have any broadband access! Spanish Fork is worse. It's on a digital loop, so there is no DSL service. I was lucky to buy a house in a neighborhood that was built on fiber--Our spanish fork cable network is almost running Spanish Fork Community Network and I get my access at the end of October. Go figure. AT&T never showed an interest in us. Now they are sending flyers for digital cable, trying to lure us away. Anyway, should get pretty good pipe. This is tradtionally a farming community and there won't be that many people interested in real bandwidth. I don't think they are putting any bandwidth caps or download restrictions-there aren't any TOS that I can see. It'll be pretty interesting to see how this goes.
Anyway, it's good to see communities stand up to the big corporations. My local dollars pay for this along with the telecommunications act of 1996, which money mostly has gone to baby bells to install digital loops in local areas. So it's nice to know I've got an alternative coming soon that I won't have to fill the coffers of AT&T or Qwest.
This sounds to me like a bit of corporate canibalism. A company that chases after hackers getting arrested for hacking. Not that I denounce Skylarov, but after reading that statement from Elmcosoft, I can't pity them too much.
I almost hate to admit it, but I used to work for a certain company that had 98 in its product line. I used to take about 17 calls per day. 35 bucks a call. 98 used to lose money, it's true. but after outsourcing the product, they started to make money in millions, just for support. A profit.
every software company I know, even the game companies, charge for service. name me ONE company who doesn't charge for service. I'll disprove it by trying to call them up. If they're multimillion, they charge for service. If they don't charge for service, they are a lousy company that is out the door. Case closed. Just name me one. I dare ya.
I hate to tell you this, but Microsoft makes a killing for support of their product. Technet, for an average Joe? 475/yr. Fixing aol on a out of warranty system (2 service calls) 35 dollars an incident. Professional support for NT/2000 255-1000. Enterprise support? 10-10000 to A cool million. You can't make money off support? Cisco charges millions of dollars for premium support for it's products. That's just the service agreement, not including the products. The ONLY way to make money off of software is service and support.
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/cxsr/ces/ in dex.shtml
This link shows what the future is : what companies are investing in droves : Cisco content engines. Not exactly webservers, they are powerful servers that deliver pure content. Mostly now for corporate networks, they soon will dominate the internet as more bandwidth becomes available. This is our future. Multicast television shows on televisions with ether-out.
Doesn't anyone think it Fishy that a company would sell fourteen percent of it's profits just to "get out" of the Linux distribution community? this probably has more to do with M$ not allowing anything that creeps of GPL/opensource pac-man like activity and implementing.NET with it's products.
I've had nothing but bad experiences w/my DELL Dimension 8100. I agree with this guy. For instance. If I format my HD and reinstall my windows with another os, they will no longer support my windows (big loss):)
The only reason I got the system was because I wanted a P4 and it was either Dell or Gateway.
When I installed my own modem, I called in to ask permission to reset my bios, and they said that they no longer supported it, because I removed windows. When I pointed out that windows was still there, they put me on hold for 20 minutes.
OEM's are the worst. From now on, no matter how cool the gadget, I'll build my own, so the only one I can yell at myself for not supporting the products. OEMs are pawns in the hand of M$ and poor technical service.
Right. Imagine me going to your neighborhood and chosing a bride for you. You have no choice. Sure, she's pretty, but dumb as a toaster.
Say, for instance that you introduce an alternative, but too late. Your parents have genetically coded you so that the only way your kids won't mutate into swamp things is to marry and procreate with this toaster.
They even give you a choice: Marry this girl, or be celibate for life. Sure it's a choice, but not a fair choice.
Now, replace your neighborhood for your computer, the toaster for windows and ie, your alternative as MAC or 0S2 and Java, and your parents as Steve and Bill (which from your arguments, just might be true;-)
then say, just don't buy it. This is about stagnating choice to the point that a choice becomes detremental. And being in a position of public trust and abusing that position
I agree. Microsoft puts out a good product for the masses. However, how they got that lion's share of the market was unfair.
Kind of like addicting everyone to crack and then selling munchies bundled with crack, then saying that people still can go back to a clean life. Not going to happen. They're hooked.
But obviously you haven't thought this through. You probably were still watching TMNT when all this stuff went down. So nobody will blame you.
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The P2P seems to be the way to de/centralize the storage of information and allow a individual "passport" to allow authentication and services. This P2P model could be the basis of MONO.
Let's hope that's the way the industry goes.
It's actually very exciting, if your ISP doesn't start charging you a P2P account, like they charge for a Presence on Web account
Hey, there are many people out there who think that Apple is just a niche market for Designers and Architects using AutoCAD
Now, just think old ladies in jogging suits can download their soap operas to a firewire HD and have their favorite soap beau streamed to them on demand.
It's kind of nice to see that more than M$ is getting some publicity out there. I know more than a few people who purchased their computer to use AOL and watch DVDs.
Let's hope this kind of publicity will give apple a bigger chunk of the consumer pie. Hate Emmys, but love Mac
Sorry. Not going anywhere. No one can do a single thing w/out bandwidth.
Imagine a flight attendant offering you a inflight movie while you were sitting in an airport with a 5 hour delay. A great service, with nowhere to implement it.;)
Remember those cool AT@T commercials, where those cute kids pushed a button on their TV screen and out pops "Star Wars" immediately, on demand?
Have you ever.... You will! And the company is going to bring it to you is AT@T.
That was 7 years ago. I don't have any illusions about all these cool new ideas. I know exactly where they are heading w/out the infrastructure to support them. Cool idea heaven, somewhere is Vaporville.
You can take your analogy even further. Using nanoscale tech to build machines is like counting to a billion by ones.
For those out there that think smaller is better, think of a protien or a cell as a function, a complex array of int float, double etc
So I can make a protein stand for an complex number, and a nanomolecule can only stand for a constant and non variable int.
Surely, it makes more sense to have a whole "class" of wheels, than to "redefine" the wheel every time we want to use it.
A protien is just a bunch of nanomolecules with a bunch of hard coded instructions. Which makes building machines easier, faster, and more efficient. Why have a billion nanos that form a wheel, when you can add sulphate bonds to a protein and allow it conform to a wheel structure. On the same protien, add hydrogen bonds and watch it form pulley. It may not look as pretty as a regular machine, but it'll do the job just the same and most likely, better.
I agree with you. And I want to make this short because I don't want to sound as if I'm saving face, because I feel as if I have been duly corrected.
However-I've come to discover that the great majority of users use the internet not as a medium of expression, but as an escape from thinking.
I only say that there will be more pursuits in the qualified context that most users, the ones who have not embraced the internet as a "Road"
regard the internet like an television, and their computer like a word processor/web surfer
But I agree with you 100%
By the way, your ideas, and your writing is beautiful. Have a real talent and all of that.
Pipe dream.
The internet has become so great,(content, bandwidth, revolution), not because of a bunch of college kids sending sex.gif across Arpanet, but because businesses believed that they would ultimately make money off of content and virutal store fronts, they began to beef up the backbone, buy more routers, switches and so forth.
If they don't see it as a viable option any more, they will pull out of it all.
The internet (as we know it) will die.
But that's fine with me.
That means more people will have to get together to collaborate on projects, you can see your Production lead's reaction when you tell him you created the final killer app.
That means your boss can no longer fire you through email, and may even have to talk to you.
That means that geeks cannot be censored in the USA for using free speech. Your computer would remain inviolate and you'd never have to worry about record companies kicking at your door(Could you imagine the Barry Gordy busting down your door for taping the Temptations off the radio onto your tape recorder?)
.NET Would wither on the vine without capital from foistware over the net in the form of smart tags and MSN selling everything from PDAs to Barco Loungers. The computer would become a WORKstation again
Geeks would have to actually meet people and set up LAN parties to play those hyper violent games and in consequence, would actually gain a personality
Our best and brightest would stop trying to get into that niche on the web and begin again to write literature, quality software, develop leadership skills; our generation would not waste their energy on the web, but on worthwhile pursuits.
Finally, the internet will be as it was before: A forum to exchange ideas and philosophies, and not corporate wet dreams
Don't want to sound too ignorant, but... Haven't most software companies, paying or non paying failed?
Don't we see success stories in GPL and also in Proprietary Software
Charging money for software doesn't guarantee success, nor is it what makes a good business model
Making a product that is fun, easy to use, cross platform and affordable is the goal of every company
Saying that GPL as a business model has failed is like saying that charging money as a business model has failed.
Free product and charge for service is not new or flawed. Look at the internet that Bill wants to make money off of. The internet is FREE. However, to access the internet, you pay a premium for ease of connection, QoS and dedicated broadband.
I don't know why no one ever brings this up as something for free that has been enormously successful. Mundie has no idea what he is talking about.
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The United States has never been about peace, but about containment and stability
There is a very valid reason for this. Peace has always been expensive, in terms of human lives and economic waste
The process of peace, rarely in this world, has been the consequence of Ghandis, Christs or Kings(MLK), but through insuring STABILITY in the places that war is likely to break out.
Once there is relative peace, and a softened tolerable government, then there is time to think about the higher mankind laws like diplomacy. But "The tree of Liberty needs to be watered often by the blood of tyrants and patriots", and freedom is not always synonymous with peace.Thomas Jefferson"
you should probably read the ars technica article on meta data. it'll help you out a lot. all those data forks and file conversions and so forth.
So is that really MS$ or a throw back for MAC's inablility to play nice on the web?
The popularity of SuSe is great in Europe and it wouldn't be as great of a challenge to convert users and organizations to Linux.
If they gave corporations and govt. incentives to purchase SuSe, like deals w/the OEMs to make systems that were preinstalled and came w/loads of Tech Support, they could throw a monky wrench in the Software licensing scheme.
Say for instance the incentives that companies had with Compaq 7 years ago. My dad got a 386/sx with windows 3x for about 1500 - a cost that was footed by the company.The same thing could be done for Linux today. Get a significant cash incentive, install some killer apps, along with a smooth game (Quake) for after hours and a internet connection and you can hook the average consumer on Linux. Next time they go out to buy a box, the consumer will most likely stick with SuSe.
Worked for MS, should work for SuSe.
All I'm saying is that you already have a product that is good, it's time to put it on display. Let it sink or float according to its merits.
Don't spend too much more time on a near perfect product. It's time to let it out to play with the big boys.
He didn't know a thing about windows. This was 1993/4 and there was just windows 3.1. But wing commmander really kicked on that box.
What I'm trying to say is that maybe there needs to be a similar approach in companies serious about switching from MS to Open Source. Offer incentives to workers to bring Linux home. Get a decent box with a standardized distro and offer a substantial discount for it. Offer a free tech support contract and have a stipulation that you cannot format and install windows.
Give them a kicking game to play (Quake) and a Online gaming account. That'll keep'em interested after hours.
See how many people go out for their second computer and sign up for a Linux box. It worked for OEMs and Microsoft. It should work for open source.
If you aren't downloading any thing, what do you need more than 56k to access the web. if you are, or just streaming, what makes you more entitled to bandwidth than anyone else?
That's not an argument I'd stand up for.
Please! For goodness sake. Better a govt in your home town who you can easily vote out than a telco with millions to spend on lobbying efforts to keep themselves in business.
Here in Provo, UT, the city implemented a munincipal cable network. Lots of people were against it. The only reason that I was for it was because AT&T was so against it. It even allegedly took some of it's business away from a local cable competitor (King Cable) because they were installing the Provo Cable network. They shud down after that.
The problem persists that still, there are areas of Provo that were supposed to be serviced by AT&T 2 years ago that still don't have any broadband access! Spanish Fork is worse. It's on a digital loop, so there is no DSL service. I was lucky to buy a house in a neighborhood that was built on fiber--Our spanish fork cable network is almost running Spanish Fork Community Network and I get my access at the end of October. Go figure. AT&T never showed an interest in us. Now they are sending flyers for digital cable, trying to lure us away. Anyway, should get pretty good pipe. This is tradtionally a farming community and there won't be that many people interested in real bandwidth. I don't think they are putting any bandwidth caps or download restrictions-there aren't any TOS that I can see. It'll be pretty interesting to see how this goes.
Anyway, it's good to see communities stand up to the big corporations. My local dollars pay for this along with the telecommunications act of 1996, which money mostly has gone to baby bells to install digital loops in local areas. So it's nice to know I've got an alternative coming soon that I won't have to fill the coffers of AT&T or Qwest.
I almost hate to admit it, but I used to work for a certain company that had 98 in its product line. I used to take about 17 calls per day. 35 bucks a call. 98 used to lose money, it's true. but after outsourcing the product, they started to make money in millions, just for support. A profit.
Just like Ghandi, right?
who?
every software company I know, even the game companies, charge for service. name me ONE company who doesn't charge for service. I'll disprove it by trying to call them up. If they're multimillion, they charge for service. If they don't charge for service, they are a lousy company that is out the door. Case closed. Just name me one. I dare ya.
I hate to tell you this, but Microsoft makes a killing for support of their product. Technet, for an average Joe? 475/yr. Fixing aol on a out of warranty system (2 service calls) 35 dollars an incident. Professional support for NT/2000 255-1000. Enterprise support? 10-10000 to A cool million. You can't make money off support? Cisco charges millions of dollars for premium support for it's products. That's just the service agreement, not including the products. The ONLY way to make money off of software is service and support.
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/cxsr/ces/ in dex.shtml
This link shows what the future is : what companies are investing in droves : Cisco content engines. Not exactly webservers, they are powerful servers that deliver pure content. Mostly now for corporate networks, they soon will dominate the internet as more bandwidth becomes available. This is our future. Multicast television shows on televisions with ether-out.
welcome to a brave new world!
Doesn't anyone think it Fishy that a company would sell fourteen percent of it's profits just to "get out" of the Linux distribution community? this probably has more to do with M$ not allowing anything that creeps of GPL/opensource pac-man like activity and implementing .NET with it's products.
The only reason I got the system was because I wanted a P4 and it was either Dell or Gateway.
When I installed my own modem, I called in to ask permission to reset my bios, and they said that they no longer supported it, because I removed windows. When I pointed out that windows was still there, they put me on hold for 20 minutes.
OEM's are the worst. From now on, no matter how cool the gadget, I'll build my own, so the only one I can yell at myself for not supporting the products. OEMs are pawns in the hand of M$ and poor technical service.
Say, for instance that you introduce an alternative, but too late. Your parents have genetically coded you so that the only way your kids won't mutate into swamp things is to marry and procreate with this toaster.
They even give you a choice: Marry this girl, or be celibate for life. Sure it's a choice, but not a fair choice.
Now, replace your neighborhood for your computer, the toaster for windows and ie, your alternative as MAC or 0S2 and Java, and your parents as Steve and Bill (which from your arguments, just might be true
then say, just don't buy it. This is about stagnating choice to the point that a choice becomes detremental. And being in a position of public trust and abusing that position
I agree. Microsoft puts out a good product for the masses. However, how they got that lion's share of the market was unfair.
Kind of like addicting everyone to crack and then selling munchies bundled with crack, then saying that people still can go back to a clean life. Not going to happen. They're hooked.
But obviously you haven't thought this through. You probably were still watching TMNT when all this stuff went down. So nobody will blame you.
Let's hope that's the way the industry goes.
It's actually very exciting, if your ISP doesn't start charging you a P2P account, like they charge for a Presence on Web account
Now, just think old ladies in jogging suits can download their soap operas to a firewire HD and have their favorite soap beau streamed to them on demand.
It's kind of nice to see that more than M$ is getting some publicity out there. I know more than a few people who purchased their computer to use AOL and watch DVDs.
Let's hope this kind of publicity will give apple a bigger chunk of the consumer pie. Hate Emmys, but love Mac
Imagine a flight attendant offering you a inflight movie while you were sitting in an airport with a 5 hour delay. A great service, with nowhere to implement it.
Remember those cool AT@T commercials, where those cute kids pushed a button on their TV screen and out pops "Star Wars" immediately, on demand?
Have you ever
That was 7 years ago. I don't have any illusions about all these cool new ideas. I know exactly where they are heading w/out the infrastructure to support them. Cool idea heaven, somewhere is Vaporville.
You can take your analogy even further. Using nanoscale tech to build machines is like counting to a billion by ones.
For those out there that think smaller is better, think of a protien or a cell as a function, a complex array of int float, double etc
So I can make a protein stand for an complex number, and a nanomolecule can only stand for a constant and non variable int.
Surely, it makes more sense to have a whole "class" of wheels, than to "redefine" the wheel every time we want to use it.
A protien is just a bunch of nanomolecules with a bunch of hard coded instructions. Which makes building machines easier, faster, and more efficient. Why have a billion nanos that form a wheel, when you can add sulphate bonds to a protein and allow it conform to a wheel structure. On the same protien, add hydrogen bonds and watch it form pulley. It may not look as pretty as a regular machine, but it'll do the job just the same and most likely, better.
However-I've come to discover that the great majority of users use the internet not as a medium of expression, but as an escape from thinking.
I only say that there will be more pursuits in the qualified context that most users, the ones who have not embraced the internet as a "Road" regard the internet like an television, and their computer like a word processor/web surfer
But I agree with you 100%
By the way, your ideas, and your writing is beautiful. Have a real talent and all of that.
If they don't see it as a viable option any more, they will pull out of it all.
The internet (as we know it) will die.
But that's fine with me.
That means more people will have to get together to collaborate on projects, you can see your Production lead's reaction when you tell him you created the final killer app.
That means your boss can no longer fire you through email, and may even have to talk to you.
That means that geeks cannot be censored in the USA for using free speech. Your computer would remain inviolate and you'd never have to worry about record companies kicking at your door(Could you imagine the Barry Gordy busting down your door for taping the Temptations off the radio onto your tape recorder?)
Geeks would have to actually meet people and set up LAN parties to play those hyper violent games and in consequence, would actually gain a personality
Our best and brightest would stop trying to get into that niche on the web and begin again to write literature, quality software, develop leadership skills; our generation would not waste their energy on the web, but on worthwhile pursuits.
Finally, the internet will be as it was before: A forum to exchange ideas and philosophies, and not corporate wet dreams
Don't we see success stories in GPL and also in Proprietary Software
Charging money for software doesn't guarantee success, nor is it what makes a good business model
Making a product that is fun, easy to use, cross platform and affordable is the goal of every company
Saying that GPL as a business model has failed is like saying that charging money as a business model has failed.
Free product and charge for service is not new or flawed. Look at the internet that Bill wants to make money off of. The internet is FREE. However, to access the internet, you pay a premium for ease of connection, QoS and dedicated broadband.
I don't know why no one ever brings this up as something for free that has been enormously successful. Mundie has no idea what he is talking about.
I don't know. I think I saw in the Japan layout a pcmcia card. Imagine flash memory module to increase it's ability to crunch.