venerable as per the second definition...or wouldn't you agree that there is a very vocal growing number of users who rever firefox as the one true browser of choice?
But, what kind of foolish project woudld REQUIRE standards compliance? HTML and CSS are something that can be written by any school kid, and you and I both know that your average school kid doesn't know the ins and outs of the CSS and XHTML standards, and probably never will.
...Can the author name the specific projects which are doing this?
i'll hazard a guess and say "not a project that employs school kids"...*sigh*
requirement for standards-compliant code is more and more common on projects large and small, as the benefits are slowly sinking in even to the managerial level. but i guess you didn't get the memo yet?
i'm sure you meant "presentation from content"...as the logic would be whatever PHP/ASP/JSP/etc you got running
and no, css does not make a page more antiseptic, just as using tables does not result in sites looking like an excel spreadsheet. yes, it takes time and effort to learn it, but think back at how much time you wasted learning all those wonderful obscure tricks to coax a table into displaying the way you want, with nesting, spacer graphics, setting widths and heights, and all that shit...
Screenreaders do text-to-speech quite well - but they are browsers themselves, and thus, since this site was only accessible with IE, blocked from Odeon's site.
sorry, but...wrong. the majority, if not all, screenreaders in circulation for windows use IE (or its engine) as the default web browser. they usually hook into the MSAA accessibility framework.
the govt. should not regulate access to it. It is in the business owners best interests, but it should NOT be law.
ok, so by that reasoning, let's say i'm a shopkeeper who hates blacks and chinese. it's in my interest to let them into my shop, but i choose not to. and there should be no law to make me. yup, sounds great...
But the Disabilities Act does not require anyone except government agencies and a few other select public service entities to have assessable web sites
wrong. section508 in the states is limited to these. the disabilities discrimination act in the uk applies to all provisions of services, period. that includes all businesses, hence the odeon as well.
by making the content relevant, and by structuring your document in such a way that it's easily accessible. for instance, through CSS positioning, you can have your navigation and all the extra fluff appear at the top/left of the document, while in the actual HTML (which is what text browsers and screen readers interpret) it comes after the main content. this way, a user with, say, lynx gets the content first (which is what he/she is coming to the page for, after all) and the navigation later, so they don't have to wade through complex and longwinded (and repetitive, if they're on each page) navbars. another trick is to use 1px transparent gifs at the very beginning of the document that link to a relative anchor at the start of the actual content...
things like that make it a lot easier to use a site...
i couldn't agree more. it's not difficult to code to clean standards that degrade well and are accessible. a bit of careful thought (e.g. "how does my html table linearise...and does it still make sense that way) and some common practices (images should have ALT desriptions, unless they are purely visual eye candy like rounded corners and stuff). you can even use WYSIWYG editors (see http://www.alistapart.com/stories/dreamweaver ) if you know what you're doing. of course, this whole ADA thing would screw all those 14 year olds who fancy themselves as 3133+ web designers...
yes, i had to laugh when i read the "web is a visual medium" part. i find it overall endearing how this seems to be causing such an outrage in the US. here in the UK the Disabilities Discrimination Act (DDA) covers websites as well (business, educational and government sites). back when it was introduced (i think 1995 or something) there was the same ammount of whining that i see here...but overall the end result is that most (but not all, sigh) sites are standards compliant. it doesn't take much to make sites accessible, and yes, you CAN use tools like dreamweaver etc, as long as you know what you're doing and occasionally have a look under the hood and make some slight manual modifications to the wonderfully bizarre code that WYSIWYG editors chuck out (see http://alistapart.com/stories/dreamweaver/).
my thoughts exactly. i'll duck the flames now, but...most of the recipies that end up being gathered are some awful junkfood variations (soak the potato chips in beer for a day, serve chilled)...guess the kiddies at college still haven't learnt the fine art of being self sufficient in the kitchen;)
Apple bought out Emagic and plans to kill off this great cross-platform sequencer on the Windows, concentrating purely on Mac development. One of the reasons, apparently, is that (to paraphrase) "all serious musicians use Macs anyway". This is more of the baiting technique...Apple hopes that all the (non-serious ?) musicians using the extremely capable Logic on a PC will just shrug and switch to Apple to retain loyalty to their product... bah humbug !
no need to undermine it...i have the fullest trust in the 'content, undiscerning public' to vote for the most retarded one themselves. this is what happened with "pop idol" here in the UK. oh, and just in case people are worried if "their" favourite doesn't make it: over here it's usually the ones who are NOT the winners that get the best record deals and public exposure...they have that underdog quality to them that sells more records in the long run. the public usually has a love-hate relationship with the winner, shown by initial high sales followed by a "oh, he's just a made up, manufactured star" after a few months. THIS is why the record industry is making losses. for crying out loud, stop this whole manufactured band/idol crap...we're sick of this constant insult to our taste and intellect.
haven't i seen a post that's almost exactly like this one (many phrases/sentences, and the obvious "dead" ending) for FreeBSD some time ago ?
Is this some Microsoft-spawned FUDBOT ?
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venerable as per the second definition...or wouldn't you agree that there is a very vocal growing number of users who rever firefox as the one true browser of choice?
i'll hazard a guess and say "not a project that employs school kids"...*sigh*
requirement for standards-compliant code is more and more common on projects large and small, as the benefits are slowly sinking in even to the managerial level. but i guess you didn't get the memo yet?
i'm sure you meant "presentation from content"...as the logic would be whatever PHP/ASP/JSP/etc you got running
and no, css does not make a page more antiseptic, just as using tables does not result in sites looking like an excel spreadsheet. yes, it takes time and effort to learn it, but think back at how much time you wasted learning all those wonderful obscure tricks to coax a table into displaying the way you want, with nesting, spacer graphics, setting widths and heights, and all that shit...
dammit, yes...a groundbreaking idea!
sorry, but...wrong. the majority, if not all, screenreaders in circulation for windows use IE (or its engine) as the default web browser. they usually hook into the MSAA accessibility framework.
ok, so by that reasoning, let's say i'm a shopkeeper who hates blacks and chinese. it's in my interest to let them into my shop, but i choose not to. and there should be no law to make me. yup, sounds great...
wrong. section508 in the states is limited to these. the disabilities discrimination act in the uk applies to all provisions of services, period. that includes all businesses, hence the odeon as well.
by making the content relevant, and by structuring your document in such a way that it's easily accessible. for instance, through CSS positioning, you can have your navigation and all the extra fluff appear at the top/left of the document, while in the actual HTML (which is what text browsers and screen readers interpret) it comes after the main content. this way, a user with, say, lynx gets the content first (which is what he/she is coming to the page for, after all) and the navigation later, so they don't have to wade through complex and longwinded (and repetitive, if they're on each page) navbars. another trick is to use 1px transparent gifs at the very beginning of the document that link to a relative anchor at the start of the actual content...
things like that make it a lot easier to use a site...
i couldn't agree more. it's not difficult to code to clean standards that degrade well and are accessible. a bit of careful thought (e.g. "how does my html table linearise...and does it still make sense that way) and some common practices (images should have ALT desriptions, unless they are purely visual eye candy like rounded corners and stuff). you can even use WYSIWYG editors (see http://www.alistapart.com/stories/dreamweaver ) if you know what you're doing.
of course, this whole ADA thing would screw all those 14 year olds who fancy themselves as 3133+ web designers...
yes, i had to laugh when i read the "web is a visual medium" part.
i find it overall endearing how this seems to be causing such an outrage in the US. here in the UK the Disabilities Discrimination Act (DDA) covers websites as well (business, educational and government sites). back when it was introduced (i think 1995 or something) there was the same ammount of whining that i see here...but overall the end result is that most (but not all, sigh) sites are standards compliant. it doesn't take much to make sites accessible, and yes, you CAN use tools like dreamweaver etc, as long as you know what you're doing and occasionally have a look under the hood and make some slight manual modifications to the wonderfully bizarre code that WYSIWYG editors chuck out (see http://alistapart.com/stories/dreamweaver/).
my thoughts exactly. i'll duck the flames now, but...most of the recipies that end up being gathered are some awful junkfood variations (soak the potato chips in beer for a day, serve chilled)...guess the kiddies at college still haven't learnt the fine art of being self sufficient in the kitchen ;)
Apple bought out Emagic and plans to kill off this great cross-platform sequencer on the Windows, concentrating purely on Mac development. One of the reasons, apparently, is that (to paraphrase) "all serious musicians use Macs anyway".
This is more of the baiting technique...Apple hopes that all the (non-serious ?) musicians using the extremely capable Logic on a PC will just shrug and switch to Apple to retain loyalty to their product...
bah humbug !
no need to undermine it...i have the fullest trust in the 'content, undiscerning public' to vote for the most retarded one themselves.
this is what happened with "pop idol" here in the UK.
oh, and just in case people are worried if "their" favourite doesn't make it: over here it's usually the ones who are NOT the winners that get the best record deals and public exposure...they have that underdog quality to them that sells more records in the long run. the public usually has a love-hate relationship with the winner, shown by initial high sales followed by a "oh, he's just a made up, manufactured star" after a few months.
THIS is why the record industry is making losses. for crying out loud, stop this whole manufactured band/idol crap...we're sick of this constant insult to our taste and intellect.
It's called "The Tribe" and it's absolute toss. Link was posted somewhere above...
haven't i seen a post that's almost exactly like this one (many phrases/sentences, and the obvious "dead" ending) for FreeBSD some time ago ?
Is this some Microsoft-spawned FUDBOT ?
bill gates urging me to install XP...he was mumbling something about my passport as well
if I didn't know any better, I'd tell the US government that this idea is an obvious troll.
yup...base 10 is where it's at. Just glad Uk changed to metric monetary system before I came over to this rainy island...