This is the only way to develop robust, stable, secure, scalable, and maintainable software. Without this, there can clearly be no quality within the final product. Having several independent methodologies / best practices is simply unacceptable and goes against all common sense and logic.
At my company we adhere to such a methodology and have delivered software that eventually compiled - every time.
With that, I'd like to introduce our unified methodology and propose that it be given proper respect through widespread implementation.
Linux truly runs the gambit of support from zilch (but completely free) to 24x7 support for mission-critical applications. This is great when you have development and test environments where you don't want to pay licensing/support for something that customers will never see. You're lowering overhead which nowadays is very important
On the technical side, being able to modify Linux means that it can run in a number of environments from the desktop/workstation (where a larger, less efficient kernel that has more stuff compiled into it doesn't matter) to a server (where stability and speed are more important) to very small devices (where a small memory footprint is important).
If you're talking stability, security, and speed and other *nix features/functions, then yeah, Linux is not a very compelling product. But merely copying *nix isn't what made Linux popular in the first place!
This is the dumbest idea from a spammers viewpoint I've ever read.
Ok, like...what part of "this is speculation" did you not understand? Or did you not even read the article? Or did you read it, but find yourself unable to process the many syllables of the word "speculation?"
OK, dear idiot, take a deep breath, try thinking. In other words, if I were a spammer reading this article (from a spammers viewpoint) I would think it's a dumb idea(This is the dumbest idea... I've ever read). It's really not that difficult to understand. And you're off counting syllables...
Before putting all that effort into a condescending post, try a little thought and insight.
and of course, if it's useless and speculatory, slashdot is all over it.
SPAMMERS right now are crowing that "we're not doing anything illegal". Aside from using another companies computers/bandwidth/resources without permission and selling products of dubious value - they're right. But all of that is subjective WRT legality.
Now, if they're using hacked computers, they're on the wrong side of the law. Period. We're not talking civil damages any longer. The discussion point is how long they'll be in "Federal pound-me-in-the-ass Prison".
This is the dumbest idea from a spammers viewpoint I've ever read. However, I'm not under the impression many of these guys are intelligent. The only reason they've been able to defeat filters and other mechanisms is either stupid admins or half-hearted implementations.
I personally hope they do it! I'd love to see a few spend some time in our lovely Federal Corrections Facilities.
It goes beyond that. RedHat service is a great thing for large corporations. AdvServer is to expensive IMHO but a controlled, stable release cycle is great when you're dealing with tens, soon to be hundreds, and possibly eventually thousands of machines.
Secondly, what about service beyond that? How about getting complex configurations down for 3rd party apps? Oracle RAC is a good example, DB2 EEE is another.
The trick is that these companies need to be able to provide (cover your ears, over-priced consultant babble coming) VALUE over what is commmon knowledge.
You and your organization may have a wealth of technically competent people, but many organizations do NOT. Even with the glut of people on the job market, there are an awful lot of SCUDS / decent skillset. Further even for someone like myself who has very good skills (let's pretend), I need info from these guys on specific matters. I don't have time to go pick and hack for a day or two on these things if I can get an answer in an hour. I'm busy as h3ll and I'll push for these service companies so I can get my bloody job done!
What we need is technology to address this issue. Right now it's possible to send tons of SPAM e-mail and make it very difficult to trace. SMS implementations need to have a definate REAL return address.
At that point, companies can trace SPAMMERS, block them, or sue them in court. Today, half the problem is identifying who these people are because e-mail is so loose on the addressing issue.
Why would you want legislation after debacles like the DMCA (which almost all Senators hold up as their crowning success) and with idiots in office like Senator "Disney" (D-SC) and Orin Hatch (R-UT)?
There 'ya go! What we need is some good old fashioned ass-whoopin' corporeal punishment.
I'm personally a proponent of tar-and-feathering, but that's just me. After a few times walking around like a deranged Big Bird, I think spammers might find a real job.
Have we beaten this dead horse enough? it's beginning to look like hamburger...
SCO is suing someone they have no chance of beating in an attempt to be bought out. Since they know this is their only option, they're putting ALL the cards out on the table.
I agree. The Java/J2EE guys I know would turn up their noses at anything MS has tweaked. Today, the platform independence is something that many hold important.
Many of us develop on Linux/Windows and deploy on Linux/UNIX. Why would anyone EVER risk screwing that up with MS software?
The problem is that MS wouldn't have a strong selling point to use their version of Java with a fully open version as well as Blackdown, Suns own and IBMs which are all free to d/l as needed.
The original thought was so that Joe Blow Business Man could invent something and not be run over by Evil Corporation X
I'm not so sure. Look, I'm a conservative Republican, but after watch the DMCA and people like Hollings and Hatch WRT RIAA and MP3 trading I just don't know. These laws which were supposed to help the little guy end up slamming him while giving Large Corporate America more power and suthority. THEN these weasels are reluctant to fix the issue.
I'd like to think you're right. I'm not convinced you are...
I agree. Furthermore, this demonstrates the "Evil" of software patents. Those things will get out of control and will eventually kill innovation in the US. I really feel that US companies will be at a disadvantage b/c non-US companies will be able to use software not legal here.
I think SCO is starting a patent war that may expose SW patents for what they are and the destructive capability they have - while not possessing many (any?) redeeming features.
And what's their winner argument in this case?
Linus is not checking all contributions against potential patents. Are you kidding me? So for every contribution he has to go search the patent database?
SCO and Software Patents, man if we could only hit 2 birds with one stone...
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Here's one way to do it. Start watching the traffic coming in on internal web servers. We've discovered a little part-time hacking on our internal network.
While doing some application debugging, we found we were getting probed. The guy then tried a number of expoits, IIS mostly, but also a couple looking for an insecure J2EE server. It appears to be a script kiddie except that he did figure out we were running Apache (IHS, actually, but there's little difference) and J2EE and did some more probes based on that.
The other issue is that this person would plug a computer into a different physical port in our network from the usual and wouldn't stay long. He knew he could be tracked. A little spooky, he MAY have been a script kiddie or this may have been HIS script.
Either way, we brought it to info-sec and they promptly blew it off. I'd call that kind of thing a "job-terminating, cop-calling activity" but was alone in that. Whatever.
Point is, watch your HTTP logs for wierd stuff. You may be suprised and may be able to use that to get some support for buying the book. Plus, it's kinda fun to know what's going on ouyt there!;)
Define irony - being replaced (outsourced) using the same methods used to replace blue-collar workers starting 10 years previous.
IT jobs are leading the way, fine. But so are the management, legal, business, etc. positions. So these guys are being replaced by the same process they used to get rid of other jobs.
Ironic. Or is that poetic?
Pretty soon, we'll start replacing talking-head CEOs like the Kenneth Lays of the world with real CEOs that don't come form this good-ol-boy background...
I dunno, maybe. I've never had an HTTP download run near as fast as pure FTP. I thought it had something to do with the protocol.
It's too the point I'll actively avoid HTTP d/l if at all possible. Maybe if you're talking over dial-up there's no difference, but over DSL (and any greater high-speed for that matter) that's what I've seen.
Where did I say we were paying only for media? My entire post was about the product as a whole - support, the controlled upgrade scheme (which YES you do pay for), and services.
Nor am I "bikering". I said I thought it's too expensive, and I think it is. How is that "bickering"?
Anybody who doesn't understand this shouldn't be in charge of the decision of which to buy (enterprise with its high cost or standard with its short lifespan) because they don't have a fundamental grasp on the fact that they don't need to pay for either.
Anybody who posts responses based on reading only the bold letters should think about reading the entire post before responding.
There are a couple issues here you're not addressing. One is accountability. Yes, it's expertise, but it also relates to issues that come up in a 24x7 environment. Guaranteed uptime, someone to point the finger at, whatever you like to call it. While many companies don't need it, some do.
Another is this, and quite honestly, it's important. Controlled upgrades. As of now, there are multiple upgrades almost DAILY for various packages. How many are needed, critical (security), and how many are trivial and one doesn't care? How do you control upgrades over a large number of systems? RH AS provides solutions for upgrading your system.
FINALLY
RH AS also has some components from the 2.5 kernel that are tested and stable within their kernel. An example is the new job scheduler which more efficiently utilizes hyper-threading Intel XEON CPUs.
So it's a combination of expertise, services and some advanced kernel components. As for consumers, RH will support folks using the same model as with older versions -OR- you can use thier AS Workstation and they'll support that as well.
It's a pretty good product combination of SW, solution and service. HOWEVER (caveat) for the cost, I think it's outrageous, BUT for a large environment (like where I work) it makes sense if one can buy in bulk. Even then it's high, but once SuSE comes out with something similar we'll get some better pricing...
For right now, it's not windows and that's good enough for me.
Or even remotely accurate? I work at a company which uses the "Enterprise Class" servers.
Mainframes, AS/400s and UNIX, oh my!
We're starting a MAJOR effort where roughly 80-90 percent of all new web and middleware (messaging, etc) development will be happening on Linux (and J2EE predominately). We'll still have some MS, but MUCH less.
Our server types include blades, standard 2-way, and some 4+ processor machines. How many have Linux pre-installed? NOT ONE! We've bought over 200 Intel servers THIS YEAR (including dev, test and prod). Before year end, that could be as high as 600. Unless we have any more big expansions, then it could be many more.
Why don't we have Linux pre-installed? It's not practical. We have our own config of partition sizes and types (soon to include LVs) as well as software, network config, authorization config, etc. We have our OWN network based install we don't want/need the HW vendors doing.
What about those numbers? Where do they fit in the picture?
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Bad joke, I think I'm the only one who got it...
At my company we adhere to such a methodology and have delivered software that eventually compiled - every time.
With that, I'd like to introduce our unified methodology and propose that it be given proper respect through widespread implementation.
SOP - Seat Of Pants
You don't even want to know where I work...
Makes me hope to meta-mod this one, and makes me regret there isn't fair/unfair/stone dumb
Try DB2, you'll be loving Oracle in no time.
Unless you can try a MySQL or PostGRES, I don't know much about either, but have heard good things about them both.
It went the way of BSD years ago.
ba-da-dum BANG
Linux truly runs the gambit of support from zilch (but completely free) to 24x7 support for mission-critical applications. This is great when you have development and test environments where you don't want to pay licensing/support for something that customers will never see. You're lowering overhead which nowadays is very important
On the technical side, being able to modify Linux means that it can run in a number of environments from the desktop/workstation (where a larger, less efficient kernel that has more stuff compiled into it doesn't matter) to a server (where stability and speed are more important) to very small devices (where a small memory footprint is important).
If you're talking stability, security, and speed and other *nix features/functions, then yeah, Linux is not a very compelling product. But merely copying *nix isn't what made Linux popular in the first place!
Ok, like...what part of "this is speculation" did you not understand? Or did you not even read the article? Or did you read it, but find yourself unable to process the many syllables of the word "speculation?"
OK, dear idiot, take a deep breath, try thinking. In other words, if I were a spammer reading this article (from a spammers viewpoint) I would think it's a dumb idea(This is the dumbest idea ... I've ever read). It's really not that difficult to understand. And you're off counting syllables...
Before putting all that effort into a condescending post, try a little thought and insight.
and of course, if it's useless and speculatory, slashdot is all over it.
And you're reading and posting on the topic.
Now, if they're using hacked computers, they're on the wrong side of the law. Period. We're not talking civil damages any longer. The discussion point is how long they'll be in "Federal pound-me-in-the-ass Prison".
This is the dumbest idea from a spammers viewpoint I've ever read. However, I'm not under the impression many of these guys are intelligent. The only reason they've been able to defeat filters and other mechanisms is either stupid admins or half-hearted implementations.
I personally hope they do it! I'd love to see a few spend some time in our lovely Federal Corrections Facilities.
Secondly, what about service beyond that? How about getting complex configurations down for 3rd party apps? Oracle RAC is a good example, DB2 EEE is another.
The trick is that these companies need to be able to provide (cover your ears, over-priced consultant babble coming) VALUE over what is commmon knowledge.
You and your organization may have a wealth of technically competent people, but many organizations do NOT. Even with the glut of people on the job market, there are an awful lot of SCUDS / decent skillset. Further even for someone like myself who has very good skills (let's pretend), I need info from these guys on specific matters. I don't have time to go pick and hack for a day or two on these things if I can get an answer in an hour. I'm busy as h3ll and I'll push for these service companies so I can get my bloody job done!
Just the other side of the coin
At that point, companies can trace SPAMMERS, block them, or sue them in court. Today, half the problem is identifying who these people are because e-mail is so loose on the addressing issue.
Why would you want legislation after debacles like the DMCA (which almost all Senators hold up as their crowning success) and with idiots in office like Senator "Disney" (D-SC) and Orin Hatch (R-UT)?
I don't see the point of your post
I'm personally a proponent of tar-and-feathering, but that's just me. After a few times walking around like a deranged Big Bird, I think spammers might find a real job.
SCO is suing someone they have no chance of beating in an attempt to be bought out. Since they know this is their only option, they're putting ALL the cards out on the table.
Let it end already!
Many of us develop on Linux/Windows and deploy on Linux/UNIX. Why would anyone EVER risk screwing that up with MS software?
The problem is that MS wouldn't have a strong selling point to use their version of Java with a fully open version as well as Blackdown, Suns own and IBMs which are all free to d/l as needed.
I'm not so sure. Look, I'm a conservative Republican, but after watch the DMCA and people like Hollings and Hatch WRT RIAA and MP3 trading I just don't know. These laws which were supposed to help the little guy end up slamming him while giving Large Corporate America more power and suthority. THEN these weasels are reluctant to fix the issue.
I'd like to think you're right. I'm not convinced you are...
I think SCO is starting a patent war that may expose SW patents for what they are and the destructive capability they have - while not possessing many (any?) redeeming features.
And what's their winner argument in this case?
Linus is not checking all contributions against potential patents. Are you kidding me? So for every contribution he has to go search the patent database?
SCO and Software Patents, man if we could only hit 2 birds with one stone...
While doing some application debugging, we found we were getting probed. The guy then tried a number of expoits, IIS mostly, but also a couple looking for an insecure J2EE server. It appears to be a script kiddie except that he did figure out we were running Apache (IHS, actually, but there's little difference) and J2EE and did some more probes based on that.
The other issue is that this person would plug a computer into a different physical port in our network from the usual and wouldn't stay long. He knew he could be tracked. A little spooky, he MAY have been a script kiddie or this may have been HIS script.
Either way, we brought it to info-sec and they promptly blew it off. I'd call that kind of thing a "job-terminating, cop-calling activity" but was alone in that. Whatever.
Point is, watch your HTTP logs for wierd stuff. You may be suprised and may be able to use that to get some support for buying the book. Plus, it's kinda fun to know what's going on ouyt there! ;)
One is much more dangerous than the other...
Legitimate or NOT, the claims SCO is making have huge implications if they somehow get them through.
Define irony - being replaced (outsourced) using the same methods used to replace blue-collar workers starting 10 years previous.
IT jobs are leading the way, fine. But so are the management, legal, business, etc. positions. So these guys are being replaced by the same process they used to get rid of other jobs.
Ironic. Or is that poetic?
Pretty soon, we'll start replacing talking-head CEOs like the Kenneth Lays of the world with real CEOs that don't come form this good-ol-boy background...
It's too the point I'll actively avoid HTTP d/l if at all possible. Maybe if you're talking over dial-up there's no difference, but over DSL (and any greater high-speed for that matter) that's what I've seen.
Nor am I "bikering". I said I thought it's too expensive, and I think it is. How is that "bickering"?
Anybody who doesn't understand this shouldn't be in charge of the decision of which to buy (enterprise with its high cost or standard with its short lifespan) because they don't have a fundamental grasp on the fact that they don't need to pay for either.
Anybody who posts responses based on reading only the bold letters should think about reading the entire post before responding.
Sheesh, how big is that house? Is he on a frickin' farm?!?
In my 2-bedroom, 2-bath palace I have plenty of power for myself, my neighbors, the guy across the alley, the bum down the street...
Another is this, and quite honestly, it's important. Controlled upgrades. As of now, there are multiple upgrades almost DAILY for various packages. How many are needed, critical (security), and how many are trivial and one doesn't care? How do you control upgrades over a large number of systems? RH AS provides solutions for upgrading your system.
FINALLY
RH AS also has some components from the 2.5 kernel that are tested and stable within their kernel. An example is the new job scheduler which more efficiently utilizes hyper-threading Intel XEON CPUs.
So it's a combination of expertise, services and some advanced kernel components. As for consumers, RH will support folks using the same model as with older versions -OR- you can use thier AS Workstation and they'll support that as well.
It's a pretty good product combination of SW, solution and service. HOWEVER (caveat) for the cost, I think it's outrageous, BUT for a large environment (like where I work) it makes sense if one can buy in bulk. Even then it's high, but once SuSE comes out with something similar we'll get some better pricing...
For right now, it's not windows and that's good enough for me.
That as opposed to holy h3ll...
Mainframes, AS/400s and UNIX, oh my!
We're starting a MAJOR effort where roughly 80-90 percent of all new web and middleware (messaging, etc) development will be happening on Linux (and J2EE predominately). We'll still have some MS, but MUCH less.
Our server types include blades, standard 2-way, and some 4+ processor machines. How many have Linux pre-installed? NOT ONE! We've bought over 200 Intel servers THIS YEAR (including dev, test and prod). Before year end, that could be as high as 600. Unless we have any more big expansions, then it could be many more.
Why don't we have Linux pre-installed? It's not practical. We have our own config of partition sizes and types (soon to include LVs) as well as software, network config, authorization config, etc. We have our OWN network based install we don't want/need the HW vendors doing.
What about those numbers? Where do they fit in the picture?