If indeed the majority wants to live in a police state then that's what we'll get, but thats not really what the majority wants. The majority wants to go about business as usual and not have to worry about the boogie man. Remember this is America, land of the quick fix. BandAid ® solutions are a national specialty. It's just too bad that most people refuse to consider the big picture. If they did they might realize all the nonsense they were indoctrinated with. That is to say "freedom" and "liberty" are at this point, rhetoric and they have been for a long time.
Or do you think slavery should be allowed as a "cultural difference"? If some African country decided to start selling its citizens to another country, is it none of our business and it's just a "private transaction"?
Bingo. Our laws are for *our* country. If we assume our laws are good for them, why wouldn't the reverse be true? Are 'we' better than 'them'?
Or do we get more consideration because we have the bombs? Take your head out of your ass.
You'd do this on a production server? I didn't think so. These support services aren't for knuckleheads like you,
they are for businesses with better things to do than beta test third party software.
Little Billy is walking through the park with his Dad, when they round a corner and right in the middle of the path are two dogs screwing. Billy turns to his Dad and says, "Hey Pop what are those dogs doing?". Thinking fast, the father says "Don't worry son, they're just making a puppy". Time passes and it's about 12:30 when Billy gets up to get a drink of water. While he's trucking down the hall he passes his parents open bedroom door, where he sees his folks going to town. After watching the action for a minute Billy pipes up and says "Hey Pop!, What are ya doing?". The father without missing a beat replies "Don't worry son, we're just making you a little sister". Billy snaps back with "Ok, but do me a favor and turn her over, I'd rather have *a PUPPY*!"
Was that the guys name? Anyway you think they were doing it because they knew the guy personally and had a beef with him? No, they were just doing it to be annoying assholes. As in
"these slashdorks are so superior, I'll trash somebody they hold in high regard teeheehee".
I did in fact reference this incident in a later post.
Also, you should remember that Taco had already started the move away from an open forum prior to this.
I use Slashdot as just a form of amusement. To be serious here is pointless.
There you go. Thats why moderation was instituted to begin with. Remember the final straw? That was an embarassment. Anyway, it amuses me that somebody like Steve Gailord, who constantly whinges about his journalism credits (and actually does report on things) considers what goes on here to be equivalent to what he does. But then again, I shouldn't be surprised. Mentioning/. does get NetSlaves traffic.
Three years ago, Slashdot was "The Place" to go for computer news. Slashdot broke stories way before any other sites covered them. The message boards were lit up with intelligent conversation and discussion.
Huh? Slashdot has been recycled links from day one. Sure, it was better 3 years ago, but that was when Taco&Co where still making their bones.
You should know that, you remember BoredAtWork.
Still, explain to me how you can break a story when all you have is a link to *somebody elses* coverage of it?
You got that right bro. The situation is analogous to the whole class getting detention because of one idiot that nailed the teacher with an eraser while her back was turned. A lot of people here are under the impression the the core routers and backbones are floating in the ether someplace sustained by pixie dust and
moon beams. The fact is that the hardware is owned by businesses (UUnet comes to mind) and other legal entities.
It's naivete plain and simple.
People have had their taste of free music now. The record companies really cannot continue ripping both the consumers _and_ the artists off for much longer.
Yeah, eliminate the middle man, lets rip off the artists directly. -- --
the light of day. It's too good an idea. At least as a consumer item. I'm sure theres something like this already out there for those highway info signs, and consumers won't pay what a state DOT would pay per unit. I'll give you $50 bucks though. --
Since Republicans are all but shunned by the entertainment industry, they have nothing to lose by leaning on them,
's/Rebublicans/Conservatives/' and you have a point. Republicans had a lot to do with DMCA getting passed. Also when Reagan (republican, for the kids who failed history) was president, Copyright laws were overhauled extending the life of the copyright to IIRC 75 years. Since very few artists own their own copyrights, thats beneficial to the publishers. Then there was the PMRC... [sarcasm]I didn't realize Tipper Gore was republican.
Yep. It couldn't have anything to do with Novell being located in his home state of Utah, could it? Nah.
Of course. Why? Because his constituents yelled. Why? Because it was hurting them financially. I'll have to see what companies were in the 19 states that were parties in the anti-trust suit, lord knows nobody cares what _consumers_ think.
If they feel that the risk is too much, they don't do it.
Which is just another way of saying "if they can get away with it without getting nailed they will do it"
There's a lot of morally reprehensible shit going on, that just hasn't been legislated against yet.
I'd also like to point out that if businesses had tempered their profit motive with a little ethics there would be no need for anti trust laws.
It's kinda like an intersection with no stop signs, once enough people get hurt/killed the pressure is on to put up stop signs. It's not going to stop accidents at the intersection, because _somebody_ will be feeling like they can't be touched and blow through the intersection without looking.
This is why it's important to not be apathetic WRT politics. We all need to bust chops with our representatives or we only get what the natural complainers with too much time on their hands want.
Spoken like someone who took a position without investigating it. Napster didn't _ask_ about distributing Metallica, _that's_ Lars beef.
Napster is not an individual, they are a company, trying to make a profit. Had they went through proper channels, I'm sure they would have had to pay royalties in one form or another had they been given a green light. Not a good business decision when you aren't making a profit.
Napster may indeed be taking food off Lars table, but it was short sightedness and greed on the part of the record industry that allowed the situation in the first place.
I disagree with a lot of Hatch's politics, but he does surprise me not infrequently with displays of cluefulness.
I often get the sense that some of the things I disagree with are positions taken to satisfy his constituency.
I mean here we have a guy who's actually on the "artist" side of the coin, with some legislative power, and _he_ can see that the recording industry is dragging their feet because they don't want to cut into their profits by developing new distribution channel. There's nothing like the threat of legislation to put a bug in industries ear about something.
Okay..I'm off to write my senator and congressman.
Well, maybe the card isn't so bad, but everybody that buys them for use with linux has problems. Go to questionexchange... look for ethernet questions, a dissproportionate amount involve the tulip driver and linksys cards.
Over 110 comments... only 5 at +2, and precisely 1 of those has anything to do with the story... And _that_ one is a cut/paste from said story. Nice. Uh.. I guess this doesn't help, does it.
The company was promising to make the Internet just like TV.
I'llnever understand that mindset, I mean, we already have TV. When I was a kid we had 3 channels and there was nothing on (god forbid the president farted, all 3 channels would break in with a news flash). Today I have 500 channels of satellite, and guess what? There's still nothing on!
Well then it still reduces the amount of space you can use as to recapture that lost space from the partition merry-go-round you'd need to enlarge the ReiserFS partitions.
Agreed, but this is something for the reiserfs crew to implement. FWIW, I'm unaware of a free util for resizing ext2 at all, is there one?
I have to wonder what the holdup with ext3 is.
Well, S. Tweedie keeps saying he doesn't have time to do anything, so thats keeping ext3. I just don't understand it. Add it to the kernel, flag it experimental and be done with it. It's really as simple as that guys. How long could it hold up 2.4.0? A week if that.
Hmm.. sounds like S.T. should could use some help, being so swamped and all. There must be _somebody_ who has the skills/desire to help him out. Unless of course, he doesn't _want_ any help (Hubris, anyone?). A backward compatible journalled fs is to much of a good thing to let languish like that.
Simple, don't build it as a module...
I know, however my reply was to someone who was saying "I don't see what the problem is, just build it as a module!"
Really however, if I want my root partition to be ReiserFS I shouldn't be penalized for that decision.
Okay I missed the post you responded to but again, I agree with you. It's not inconceivable that at some point RedHat will have to include reiserfs or lose sales... Nah, what was I thinking, they have enough deals/PR to not include it ever.
think a lot of CS types need to take a reality check and tone down the egotism, they aren't so great.
I don't know who you're refering to when you talk about egotism.
vi or EMACS, Perl or Python, Gnome or KDE, man or info, ad nauseum. The flame wars break out because people take things as personal attacks and egotism contributes to the lashing out in response. I just recently had a Solaris admin tell me that he thinks of linux like linux users think of windows. Then he went on to curse Larry Wall because he had major headaches for 6 months trying to cross compile a perl module for a linux machine under Solaris.... Between that little gem and his acknowledgement that commercial unix man pages often contain mistakes (and any corrections never get incorporated by the vendors), I had a hard time not giggling.
Oh, the irony.
I spent a good amount of time as an audio engineer (no more, thanks), and as far as I can tell you the hackers ain't got nuthin' on the "rock stars" when it comes to egos.
I've heard it said that one of the things that makes Linus a good leader is his _humility_. I guess it's a matter of balance.
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If indeed the majority wants to live in a police state then that's what we'll get, but thats not really what the majority wants. The majority wants to go about business as usual and not have to worry about the boogie man. Remember this is America, land of the quick fix. BandAid ® solutions are a national specialty. It's just too bad that most people refuse to consider the big picture. If they did they might realize all the nonsense they were indoctrinated with. That is to say "freedom" and "liberty" are at this point, rhetoric and they have been for a long time.
'Nuff said.
Or do you think slavery should be allowed as a "cultural difference"? If some African country decided to start selling its citizens to another country, is it none of our business and it's just a "private transaction"?
Bingo. Our laws are for *our* country. If we assume our laws are good for them, why wouldn't the reverse be true? Are 'we' better than 'them'?
Or do we get more consideration because we have the bombs? Take your head out of your ass.
That ad also ran in DDJ a month or two ago. So what's your point?
You'd do this on a production server?
I didn't think so.
These support services aren't for knuckleheads like you,
they are for businesses with better things to do than beta test third party software.
Little Billy is walking through the park with his Dad, when they round a corner and right in the middle of the path are two dogs screwing. Billy turns to his Dad and says, "Hey Pop what are those dogs doing?". Thinking fast, the father says "Don't worry son, they're just making a puppy".
Time passes and it's about 12:30 when Billy gets up to get a drink of water. While he's trucking down the hall he passes his parents open bedroom door, where he sees his folks going to town.
After watching the action for a minute Billy pipes up and says "Hey Pop!, What are ya doing?". The father without missing a beat replies "Don't worry son, we're just making you a little sister".
Billy snaps back with "Ok, but do me a favor and turn her over, I'd rather have *a PUPPY*!"
Was that the guys name? Anyway you think they were doing it because they knew the guy personally and had a beef with him? No, they were just doing it to be annoying assholes. As in
"these slashdorks are so superior, I'll trash somebody they hold in high regard teeheehee".
I did in fact reference this incident in a later post.
Also, you should remember that Taco had already started the move away from an open forum prior to this.
I use Slashdot as just a form of amusement. To be serious here is pointless.
/. does get NetSlaves traffic.
There you go. Thats why moderation was instituted to begin with. Remember the final straw? That was an embarassment. Anyway, it amuses me that somebody like Steve Gailord, who constantly whinges about his journalism credits (and actually does report on things) considers what goes on here to be equivalent to what he does. But then again, I shouldn't be surprised. Mentioning
Three years ago, Slashdot was "The Place" to go for computer news. Slashdot broke stories way before any other sites covered them. The message boards were lit up with intelligent conversation and discussion.
Huh? Slashdot has been recycled links from day one. Sure, it was better 3 years ago, but that was when Taco&Co where still making their bones.
You should know that, you remember BoredAtWork.
Still, explain to me how you can break a story when all you have is a link to *somebody elses* coverage of it?
You got that right bro. The situation is analogous to the whole class getting detention because of one idiot that nailed the teacher with an eraser while her back was turned.
A lot of people here are under the impression the the core routers and backbones are floating in the ether someplace sustained by pixie dust and moon beams. The fact is that the hardware is owned by businesses (UUnet comes to mind) and other legal entities.
It's naivete plain and simple.
Too bad the New York Post wasn't one of the papers, you'd have a new wardrobe.
--
People have had their taste of free music now. The record companies really cannot continue ripping both the consumers _and_ the artists off for much longer.
Yeah, eliminate the middle man, lets rip off the artists directly.
--
--
the light of day. It's too good an idea. At least as a consumer item. I'm sure theres something like this already out there for those highway info signs, and consumers won't pay what a state DOT would pay per unit. I'll give you $50 bucks though.
--
Since Republicans are all but shunned by the entertainment industry, they have nothing to lose by leaning on them,
's/Rebublicans/Conservatives/' and you have a point.
Republicans had a lot to do with DMCA getting passed.
Also when Reagan (republican, for the kids who failed history) was president, Copyright laws were overhauled extending the life of the copyright to IIRC 75 years. Since very few artists own their own copyrights, thats beneficial to the publishers.
Then there was the PMRC... [sarcasm]I didn't realize Tipper Gore was republican.
Yep. It couldn't have anything to do with Novell being located in his home state of Utah, could it? Nah.
Of course. Why? Because his constituents yelled. Why? Because it was hurting them financially.
I'll have to see what companies were in the 19 states that were parties in the anti-trust suit, lord knows nobody cares what _consumers_ think.
If they feel that the risk is too much, they don't do it.
Which is just another way of saying "if they can get away with it without getting nailed they will do it"
There's a lot of morally reprehensible shit going on, that just hasn't been legislated against yet.
I'd also like to point out that if businesses had tempered their profit motive with a little ethics there would be no need for anti trust laws.
It's kinda like an intersection with no stop signs, once enough people get hurt/killed the pressure is on to put up stop signs. It's not going to stop accidents at the intersection, because _somebody_ will be feeling like they can't be touched and blow through the intersection without looking.
Constituent = Voter
This is why it's important to not be apathetic WRT politics. We all need to bust chops with our representatives or we only get what the natural complainers with too much time on their hands want.
Spoken like someone who took a position without investigating it.
Napster didn't _ask_ about distributing Metallica, _that's_ Lars beef.
Napster is not an individual, they are a company, trying to make a profit.
Had they went through proper channels, I'm sure they would have had to pay royalties in one form or another had they been given a green light. Not a good business decision when you aren't making a profit.
Napster may indeed be taking food off Lars table, but it was short sightedness and greed on the part of the record industry that allowed the situation in the first place.
Orrin Hatch _is_ a republican.
IIRC he was also a shit stirrer in the MS anti trust suit.
Here are his positions on a few items.
I disagree with a lot of Hatch's politics, but he does surprise me not infrequently with displays of cluefulness.
I often get the sense that some of the things I disagree with are positions taken to satisfy his constituency.
I mean here we have a guy who's actually on the "artist" side of the coin, with some legislative power, and _he_ can see that the recording industry is dragging their feet because they don't want to cut into their profits by developing new distribution channel. There's nothing like the threat of legislation to put a bug in industries ear about something.
Okay..I'm off to write my senator and congressman.
Well, maybe the card isn't so bad, but everybody that buys them for use with linux has problems.
Go to questionexchange... look for ethernet questions, a dissproportionate amount involve the tulip driver and linksys cards.
Over 110 comments... only 5 at +2, and precisely 1 of those has anything to do with the story... And _that_ one is a cut/paste from said story. Nice.
Uh.. I guess this doesn't help, does it.
My point is that the government is not always the people anymore
Not always? Try never. Anybody who thinks otherwise is, IMO, naive.
Wasn't it Craig McCaw from MCI that instigated the antitrust suit against AT&T back in the day, so that MCI could enter the long distance market?
Go figure.....
The company was promising to make the Internet just like TV.
I'llnever understand that mindset, I mean, we already have TV. When I was a kid we had 3 channels and there was nothing on (god forbid the president farted, all 3 channels would break in with a news flash). Today I have 500 channels of satellite, and guess what? There's still nothing on!
Well then it still reduces the amount of space you can use as to recapture that lost space from the partition merry-go-round you'd need to enlarge the ReiserFS partitions.
Agreed, but this is something for the reiserfs crew to implement. FWIW, I'm unaware of a free util for resizing ext2 at all, is there one?
I have to wonder what the holdup with ext3 is.
Well, S. Tweedie keeps saying he doesn't have time to do anything, so thats keeping ext3. I just don't understand it. Add it to the kernel, flag it experimental and be done with it. It's really as simple as that guys. How long could it hold up 2.4.0? A week if that.
Hmm.. sounds like S.T. should could use some help, being so swamped and all. There must be _somebody_ who has the skills/desire to help him out. Unless of course, he doesn't _want_ any help (Hubris, anyone?). A backward compatible journalled fs is to much of a good thing to let languish like that.
Simple, don't build it as a module...
I know, however my reply was to someone who was saying "I don't see what the problem is, just build it as a module!"
Really however, if I want my root partition to be ReiserFS I shouldn't be penalized for that decision.
Okay I missed the post you responded to but again, I agree with you. It's not inconceivable that at some point RedHat will have to include reiserfs or lose sales... Nah, what was I thinking, they have enough deals/PR to not include it ever.
think a lot of CS types need to take a reality check and tone down the egotism, they aren't so great.
I don't know who you're refering to when you talk about egotism.
vi or EMACS, Perl or Python, Gnome or KDE, man or info, ad nauseum.
The flame wars break out because people take things as personal attacks and egotism contributes to the lashing out in response.
I just recently had a Solaris admin tell me that he thinks of linux like linux users think of windows. Then he went on to curse Larry Wall because he had major headaches for 6 months trying to cross compile a perl module for a linux machine under Solaris.... Between that little gem and his acknowledgement that commercial unix man pages often contain mistakes (and any corrections never get incorporated by the vendors), I had a hard time not giggling.
Oh, the irony.
I spent a good amount of time as an audio engineer (no more, thanks), and as far as I can tell you the hackers ain't got nuthin' on the "rock stars" when it comes to egos.
I've heard it said that one of the things that makes Linus a good leader is his _humility_. I guess it's a matter of balance.