The enemies might not have economies for us to trash but given the right tools they can trash ours.... but again you have to look to the potential conflicts of the future. Every major government is spending $$$$ in finding exploits and shoring up their defenses against this kind of attack.
Instead of an actual war to help your economy, you launch a relatively untaceable hack attack that cripples an economic rival, and can't be directly blamed on you..... then you pick up the orders they missed and your economy grows,
Yes, I do not think such a war is in any nations best interest.... but with two rapidly emerging nations, both with growing populations and economies sharing a border, well who knows.
apelido vem de mestre Bimba criador do capoeira regional. O meu mano, o que foi que tu via la? Eu vi Capoeira matando, tambem vi maculele!
(coro) Capoeira, E jogo praticado na terra de Sao Salvador! Capoeira, E jogo praticado na terra de Sao Salvador!
Mas sou aluno que aprende, e mestre que da licao, Na roda de capoeira nunca dei golpe em vao!
(coro)
O Manuel dos Reis Machado, ele e fenomenal! Ele e o Mestre Bimba, criador da regional.
(coro)
A capoeira e luta nossa, da era colonial. Nasceu foi na Bahia, angola e regional
Mas, na verdade nao sou Brasileiro..... mas pratico capoeira, e ja morava no Brasil por dois anos, e minha esposa e' brasileira e falo muito Portuguese....
until China (Population as of 2002 1.2 billion and growing) and India (who is expected to overtake China as the worlds most populous nation by 2035) decide they need more resources and space for their people.
Or if China's sabre rattling in regards to Taiwan ever turns into something more.
Yes long term wars are unpopular. So was WWI and WWII, yet somehow in the end, despite all of our isolationist policies, we became involved directly in long lasting wars. We do not have to start it, but a long drawn out multi national war is never beyond the realm of possibility.
random small incidents from loosley organized groups.....
You will know this has happened when most of the lights in the country go out.......
Every major nation on the planet now has a cadre of hackers whose sole purpose in life is to probe, reverse engineer, and come up with exploits for the other nations critical infrastructure.
IMO the next major global war will start with a huge wave of hacking attacks. If you remove your enemy's ability to wage a long term war, in the begining of the battle, then you are a long way towards victory.
In a long campaign (war of attrition) economic ability and power becomes the key factor in deciding the victor. The Allies key component of victory over the Axis was economic. Carpetbombing of German facilities kept Germany from keeping their troops supplies, and limited production of tanks, planes and ships.
In any large long term war of the future attacking civilian infrastructure will be key as in a long term war civilian infrastrucutre becomes military infrastructure as peace time factories are converted to war time use.
How long could the US military keep moving if there are no working refineries in the US? How long would it take to exhaust exisitng reserves of tanks, planes and ammunition if you can not produce them as the power grid is down of the digitized control systems that run your factories have been compromised.
Yes attacking civilian infrastructure can be viewed as a terrorist threat, but it also becomes a key tatic in any large scale long term war. Large multi national wars end the end become wars of attrition (failing an all out nuclear scenario). Whoever can produce the most men, guns, food ammunition, ships, tanks, planes etc will eventually win. Always remembering that our ability to make modern war is dictaded by fuel supplies.
The real threat from hackers of this nature lies not in their ability to hack the command and control grid of the enemy, but in their ability to crash the opossitions economy. Every major war of the last century has been won by economic might, more than by brillant stategies.
What is the impact of crashing an enemy's powersytem? A catastrophic crash of a power grid with actual physical damage to the grid is not beyond the realm of possibility. How many billions of $$$$ a day could be lost by such an attack on the US? If an enemy brings down even a small part of the grid it can cascade and bring down the whole shooting match.
Other scary possibilities..... hack the SCADA control system of a nasty chemical plant. Release a toxic gas cloud and kill thousands to hundreds of thousands of people. Hack a number of oil refineries and knock them out of production. Watch what that does to the price of doing business.
Most of the admins on such systems will tell you that the systems have no external links.... but when you ask them if there is a DB from the SCADA LAN that communicates with the coprporate LAN, well every admin and security guru that I have asked that question of, has admitted that such a DB exists. And where such a communication path exists then it can be exploited.
The next globalr war, if it ever happens, will start with a wave of pre-emptive infastructure hacks.
You miss the real threat. The real threat is not in taking down an enemy military's command structure, but in disabling the whole country's infastructure and subsequently crashing the whole economy.
What is the economic impact of hacking a nations power grid and bringing it down? Crashing the process control on oil and other chemical refineries. With the correct techniques you can bring down the power grid, the phone system, cause toxic chemical releases.... the list goes on and on.
In economies where most process control is now digital and the in place protection for such SCADA networks rely on security through obscurity, the ability to bring a nations economy to ruins is not far fetched.....
Does bad mouthing American Presidents really add any value to your argument?
We could bad mouth Brazil's Presidents and wouldn't have to look hard for ammunition.... or have you forgotten how Pres. Collor robbed over 1 billion dollars from the treasury of Brasil before fleeing to Miami. Now he is back into the politcal scene in Brasil.
You start off well then segue into a totally unrelated field.
It is possible to make a good argument about the social strata in Brasil without devolving into US bashing.
exist and are safe.... for their intended use they are in use in both American and Russian satellites. Do some research on "Nuclear Batteries" http://www.ne.doe.gov/space/space-desc.html I just don't think, in todays geo-political situation, I would want every Joe to have one in his car. Can you say easy dirty bomb, boys and girls?
In A.D. 2005 War was beginning. Captain: What happen ? Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb. Operator: We get signal. Captain: What ! Operator: Main screen turn on. Captain: It's you !! Compaq: How are you gentlemen !! Compaq: All your PCI DEVICES are belong to us. Compaq: You are on the way to destruction. Captain: What you say !! Compaq: You have no chance to survive make your time. Compaq: Ha Ha Ha Ha....
I read an article yesterday stating that SCO was the most Google searched company during the last quater.
They must live by the any press is good press moto, as by any way you measure it their visibility is way up.
Now if their case only had a little merit...... 1)Try to lciense open sources software. 2)Sue the hell out of everbody when your case has no merit. 3)?????? 4)Profit
I drive a 2000 Isuzu Rodeo with the 3.2L V6, 5 speed manual and 4.10 gears in the pumpkins. I also have oversized mud tires with effectively raises my overall gear ratio and improves my mpg as I now operate at slightly lower rpms at hi-way speeds. I keep track of my miles and my fill ups and calculate mileage accordingly. I average 22-23 mpg crusing the hi-way at 75mph and around 20 in town.
My mileage is a few MPgs better than the reported mpg for the vehicle..... I attribute that to the oversized tires and the effective use of the 5 speed.
Why trucks can not replace SUVs: I drive a mid sized SUV with a 3.2L V6 and a 5 speed. I average 23 mpg on the hiway and 20 mpg around town, which is as good as many sedans. I spend several hours on any given week in back country that you can not access without 4x4. Full size trucks with extended cabs for the seating capacity of my SUV get much lower MPG, generally in the 14-16 mpg range.
Why ATVs can not replace SUVs: You ever try to put 5 people on an ATVand drive 120 miles through blowing and drifting snow, and icy roads?
When SUVs are used for what they were designed for they are a very praticle vehicle..... when they are used as commuters..... then they are not very well suited to the task.
I operate a fly fishing outfitting service in the western US. I often have to drive several miles of muddy/snowy/rocky two track to get to prime fishing locations, with 3-5 clients, gear, and myself in the rig while towing a drift boat or raft. Without a 4x4 SUV there would be no access..... I also live in hill country where several feet of snow can fall overnight. You can not get home without 4x4..... period. If you have any kind of family you need an SUV..... so there are legitamate uses of SUVs. The fact that the majority of SUV owners do not know how to, nor will ever use their vehicle off road does not mean that they are useless as a class of vehicles. There are people who rely on their SUV to make a living or to get home at night.
In a study that reports (quoting from the story post) "The results themselves are interesting, but the most remarkable part was that, of the 928 papers they found, 75% accepted that global warming was caused by human activities, either explicitly or implicitly. 25% made no mention either way. And not a single paper asserted otherwise."
If Lindzen asserts otherwise, then how did they miss him? He is a major scientist with many publications on the topic. How did their methodology not pick up his papers?
As this is not my field of expertise (climatology) I am not questioning the validity of human induced climate change, only stating that there are dissenting voices (5 minutes on Google will find them). To claim a 100% consensus when one does not exist, as noted in the case of Lindzen, invalidates the asserted results. That, or the methodology was skewed to eliminate dissenting voices. This was not a study on global warming but a review of papers on the topic.
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That is why I name all my variables; foo, goo, boo, or such. :)
My spelling is poor.... that is why I code, instead of writing the next great American novel.
Self modifying, recursive, spaghetti code I can do without..... but I have written a chunk of it.
Now there's an oxymoron if I ever saw one!
The enemies might not have economies for us to trash but given the right tools they can trash ours.... but again you have to look to the potential conflicts of the future. Every major government is spending $$$$ in finding exploits and shoring up their defenses against this kind of attack.
Instead of an actual war to help your economy, you launch a relatively untaceable hack attack that cripples an economic rival, and can't be directly blamed on you..... then you pick up the orders they missed and your economy grows,
WWI WWII... come on they were in the last century and were the MAJOR wars
Yes, I do not think such a war is in any nations best interest.... but with two rapidly emerging nations, both with growing populations and economies sharing a border, well who knows.
apelido vem de mestre Bimba criador do capoeira regional.
O meu mano, o que foi que tu via la?
Eu vi Capoeira matando, tambem vi maculele!
(coro)
Capoeira, E jogo praticado na terra de Sao Salvador!
Capoeira, E jogo praticado na terra de Sao Salvador!
Mas sou aluno que aprende, e mestre que da licao,
Na roda de capoeira nunca dei golpe em vao!
(coro)
O Manuel dos Reis Machado, ele e fenomenal!
Ele e o Mestre Bimba, criador da regional.
(coro)
A capoeira e luta nossa, da era colonial.
Nasceu foi na Bahia, angola e regional
Mas, na verdade nao sou Brasileiro.....
mas pratico capoeira, e ja morava no Brasil por dois anos, e minha esposa e' brasileira e falo muito Portuguese....
until China (Population as of 2002 1.2 billion and growing) and India (who is expected to overtake China as the worlds most populous nation by 2035) decide they need more resources and space for their people.
Or if China's sabre rattling in regards to Taiwan ever turns into something more.
Yes long term wars are unpopular. So was WWI and WWII, yet somehow in the end, despite all of our isolationist policies, we became involved directly in long lasting wars. We do not have to start it, but a long drawn out multi national war is never beyond the realm of possibility.
random small incidents from loosley organized groups.....
You will know this has happened when most of the lights in the country go out.......
Every major nation on the planet now has a cadre of hackers whose sole purpose in life is to probe, reverse engineer, and come up with exploits for the other nations critical infrastructure.
IMO the next major global war will start with a huge wave of hacking attacks. If you remove your enemy's ability to wage a long term war, in the begining of the battle, then you are a long way towards victory.
Boy I should proof-read my posts for spelling before I push the submit button. How hard would it be to add a spell checker to ./?
In a long campaign (war of attrition) economic ability and power becomes the key factor in deciding the victor. The Allies key component of victory over the Axis was economic. Carpetbombing of German facilities kept Germany from keeping their troops supplies, and limited production of tanks, planes and ships.
In any large long term war of the future attacking civilian infrastructure will be key as in a long term war civilian infrastrucutre becomes military infrastructure as peace time factories are converted to war time use.
How long could the US military keep moving if there are no working refineries in the US? How long would it take to exhaust exisitng reserves of tanks, planes and ammunition if you can not produce them as the power grid is down of the digitized control systems that run your factories have been compromised.
Yes attacking civilian infrastructure can be viewed as a terrorist threat, but it also becomes a key tatic in any large scale long term war. Large multi national wars end the end become wars of attrition (failing an all out nuclear scenario). Whoever can produce the most men, guns, food ammunition, ships, tanks, planes etc will eventually win. Always remembering that our ability to make modern war is dictaded by fuel supplies.
No these network do have access from the internet... you just have to go through a couple of layers to get to them.
You have to bounce from outside a corporate LAN to into the corporate LAN and from there onto the SCADA LAN.
It is possible........ I speak from personal experience.
The real threat from hackers of this nature lies not in their ability to hack the command and control grid of the enemy, but in their ability to crash the opossitions economy. Every major war of the last century has been won by economic might, more than by brillant stategies.
What is the impact of crashing an enemy's powersytem? A catastrophic crash of a power grid with actual physical damage to the grid is not beyond the realm of possibility. How many billions of $$$$ a day could be lost by such an attack on the US? If an enemy brings down even a small part of the grid it can cascade and bring down the whole shooting match.
Other scary possibilities..... hack the SCADA control system of a nasty chemical plant. Release a toxic gas cloud and kill thousands to hundreds of thousands of people. Hack a number of oil refineries and knock them out of production. Watch what that does to the price of doing business.
Most of the admins on such systems will tell you that the systems have no external links.... but when you ask them if there is a DB from the SCADA LAN that communicates with the coprporate LAN, well every admin and security guru that I have asked that question of, has admitted that such a DB exists. And where such a communication path exists then it can be exploited.
The next globalr war, if it ever happens, will start with a wave of pre-emptive infastructure hacks.
You miss the real threat. The real threat is not in taking down an enemy military's command structure, but in disabling the whole country's infastructure and subsequently crashing the whole economy.
What is the economic impact of hacking a nations power grid and bringing it down? Crashing the process control on oil and other chemical refineries. With the correct techniques you can bring down the power grid, the phone system, cause toxic chemical releases.... the list goes on and on.
In economies where most process control is now digital and the in place protection for such SCADA networks rely on security through obscurity, the ability to bring a nations economy to ruins is not far fetched.....
Think bigger!
Does bad mouthing American Presidents really add any value to your argument?
We could bad mouth Brazil's Presidents and wouldn't have to look hard for ammunition.... or have you forgotten how Pres. Collor robbed over 1 billion dollars from the treasury of Brasil before fleeing to Miami. Now he is back into the politcal scene in Brasil.
You start off well then segue into a totally unrelated field.
It is possible to make a good argument about the social strata in Brasil without devolving into US bashing.
exist and are safe.... for their intended use they are in use in both American and Russian satellites. Do some research on "Nuclear Batteries" http://www.ne.doe.gov/space/space-desc.html
I just don't think, in todays geo-political situation, I would want every Joe to have one in his car. Can you say easy dirty bomb, boys and girls?
In A.D. 2005 ....
War was beginning.
Captain: What happen ?
Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.
Operator: We get signal.
Captain: What !
Operator: Main screen turn on.
Captain: It's you !!
Compaq: How are you gentlemen !!
Compaq: All your PCI DEVICES are belong to us.
Compaq: You are on the way to destruction.
Captain: What you say !!
Compaq: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Compaq: Ha Ha Ha Ha
If Vidoe Games can make "people do things"....
how come there are no topless chicks cruizing the streets on BMX bike ala BMXXX???
I read an article yesterday stating that SCO was the most Google searched company during the last quater.
They must live by the any press is good press moto, as by any way you measure it their visibility is way up.
Now if their case only had a little merit......
1)Try to lciense open sources software.
2)Sue the hell out of everbody when your case has no merit.
3)??????
4)Profit
Will it work for SCO?
I gave my Apple IIc to the GoodWill. I knew I should have kept it!
My business shows up in first position when doing a relevant search using the Microsoft Search.... while with Google I am 400 entries down.
Go Microsoft!!!!
I drive a 2000 Isuzu Rodeo with the 3.2L V6, 5 speed manual and 4.10 gears in the pumpkins. I also have oversized mud tires with effectively raises my overall gear ratio and improves my mpg as I now operate at slightly lower rpms at hi-way speeds. I keep track of my miles and my fill ups and calculate mileage accordingly. I average 22-23 mpg crusing the hi-way at 75mph and around 20 in town.
My mileage is a few MPgs better than the reported mpg for the vehicle..... I attribute that to the oversized tires and the effective use of the 5 speed.
Why trucks can not replace SUVs:
I drive a mid sized SUV with a 3.2L V6 and a 5 speed. I average 23 mpg on the hiway and 20 mpg around town, which is as good as many sedans. I spend several hours on any given week in back country that you can not access without 4x4. Full size trucks with extended cabs for the seating capacity of my SUV get much lower MPG, generally in the 14-16 mpg range.
Why ATVs can not replace SUVs:
You ever try to put 5 people on an ATVand drive 120 miles through blowing and drifting snow, and icy roads?
When SUVs are used for what they were designed for they are a very praticle vehicle..... when they are used as commuters..... then they are not very well suited to the task.
I operate a fly fishing outfitting service in the western US. I often have to drive several miles of muddy/snowy/rocky two track to get to prime fishing locations, with 3-5 clients, gear, and myself in the rig while towing a drift boat or raft. Without a 4x4 SUV there would be no access..... I also live in hill country where several feet of snow can fall overnight. You can not get home without 4x4..... period. If you have any kind of family you need an SUV..... so there are legitamate uses of SUVs. The fact that the majority of SUV owners do not know how to, nor will ever use their vehicle off road does not mean that they are useless as a class of vehicles. There are people who rely on their SUV to make a living or to get home at night.
This totally explains what happened to Acclaim!!
Dr. Evil: Make the next Dave Mira game XXX. I want fem-bots with feakin laser bames on their jibblies.
In a study that reports (quoting from the story post) "The results themselves are interesting, but the most remarkable part was that, of the 928 papers they found, 75% accepted that global warming was caused by human activities, either explicitly or implicitly. 25% made no mention either way. And not a single paper asserted otherwise."
If Lindzen asserts otherwise, then how did they miss him? He is a major scientist with many publications on the topic. How did their methodology not pick up his papers?
As this is not my field of expertise (climatology) I am not questioning the validity of human induced climate change, only stating that there are dissenting voices (5 minutes on Google will find them). To claim a 100% consensus when one does not exist, as noted in the case of Lindzen, invalidates the asserted results. That, or the methodology was skewed to eliminate dissenting voices. This was not a study on global warming but a review of papers on the topic.
Adequate refutation?