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Last one, then your mom says you gotta go home. You are arguing just to have someone to argue with.
You missed the entire point.
My point is: we don't know
Meaning it is impossible for me to lean one way or another. You state you highly doubt there is intelligent life based on what you know, and I think that is flawed.
I never said I believed in little green men, I simply stated the universe is too vast to think you have a good grasp on it. Since it is impossible to make an intelligent argument for or against, I think it is flawed to take a position either way. You take the position of no intelligent life. If you said you believed just as strongly that you did believe in aliens, you'd be just as big an idiot as you are now.
Is it clear now Corky? I can't make it any clearer. If I need to make it clearer, you should be playing checkers on games.com. Maybe putting words in people's mouths is the way you win debates with your l33t gamer buddies, but not with me. Sure call me names - thats it, scream at your monitor. You're still an idiot who makes shit up to fill in for the knowledge you lack.
Oh, and since when do you EVER have all of the facts? There is ALWAYS a certain amount of uncertainty. Considering ONLY known facts will never help you discover new ones.
BTW CCC stands for the Conservative Christian Coalition - they get all of their facts the same way you do, someone makes it up until it fits.
Read a book.
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Let's take this step by step: Yes, let's.
1) We know the universe is big. Yep, that's what the evidence suggests.
2) We know we know more about the universe now than at any time in recorded history; it remains to be seen how much more there is to know, but since we don't know how much we don't know, we can't really weigh that intelligently. Exactly. This is what makes your position so ludicrous.
3) We know that of all the planets we've studied to date, ours is the only one with life, and we are the only intelligent life on that planet.
"Of all of the planets we've studied"? We can't say we have "studied" all 9 of the planets in our solar system, so being generous, 1 out 9 isn't that bad of odds. Yes, we do see gas giants around other stars, but must of our "study" amounts to detection.
Given what we definitely know
How about what we don't know? Isn't that what the real argument is? Since we don't know so much, how can you possibly arrive at your conclusion?
"Hi, I'm this blind guy who can't see the bus, so I highly doubt it exists" Make sense to you? This is what you are saying. See how utterly senseless it sounds?
It is one thing to just not know, another to stand firmly on a flawed premise. Are you with the CCC?
BTW, CS majors (even now in grad school) don't study much astronomy; this is why I provided links.
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Question.
Where?
Re:We know other life exists
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Consider the size of the universe. Then consider all of your knowledge of the universe. Now consider how likely intelligent life exists. The fact of the matter is, we are a very small and insignificant on the grand scheme of things. How can you, with any confidence, "doubt there is another intelligent lifeform out there". I would think that an assertion like that would require more knowledge than any of us have currently.
The universe is HUUGE - and this is just what we are able to see....
Number of stars in the visible universe = 2000 billion billion or 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Number of superclusters in the visible universe = 270 000
Number of galaxy groups in the visible universe = 500 million
Number of large galaxies in the visible universe = 10 billion
Number of dwarf galaxies in the visible universe = 100 billion
We are on a teeny-tiny planet next to an average star, in unremarkable galaxy - let's not take things out of context.
While I won't say it is likely that there is intelligent life, I would reserve judgement until there is more data - as should anyone concerned about truth.
I was a fine churchgoer. I went my entire childhood, 3 times a week, every revival, every youth activity. Once, during a revival, they asked for youth to volunteer to deliver a sermon - I did one on friendship. I kinda liked the research and preparation and the thought that maybe someone understood what I was trying to say. So I looked further into it and began asking questions about theology and about going to seminary school. The problem is the pastor and his colleagues ran out of answers before I ran out of questions. I believe that it is good for people to have a community in which to bond and establish values, but these values are that particular communities point of view, not to be forced upon a general public with different sensibilities.
Those that fit into the NASCAR or Wal-Mart demographic also MOSTLY fit into another - religous conservative. The damn God heathens are the ones that impede progress by asserting religous bias in government matters. We can talk constitution or what ever you want regarding law, but the simple fact is religion is not based on fact and is purely a personal preference. The Bushs, NASCAR fans, and Walmart fans (not to mention that Judge Moore in Alabama) think we should all be good little God-fearing Christians. The republicans love'em - this is why the dems hate them. Is it elitist to have disdain for someone who's opinions ignore the rights of others? Not to mention being based on absolutely no proveable truth.
Hey genius, all of us "Americunts" are imported anyway. The only truly American contribution would be one made entirely of Navajos or the like. So, yes, you are right europeans are always involved - as well as any other nationallity that wants a better life in America and works at NASA.
I hate this argument. It builds on past mistakes to justify a misguided future.
Sorry, any argument based on the "God said so" line is flawed - pure and simple. There are too many "Gods" to assume yours is right for everyone. This way of thinking provides us with terrorists.
Marriage, by definition, can only be between a man and a woman.
So call it a civil union and leave the fags alone. I am not gay, but since I use logic to justify my points instead of some rantings in a book of fairy tales, I have to support gay marriage. Is it not possible for to fags to commit to each other permanently? Shouldn't they be able to see their partner if they are in the hospital?....and on and on
Yeah, he just doesn't proofread for clarity or flow. In other "Open Letters", people counter Darl's arguments with well thought out responses. This guy effectively sat down and spent 15 minutes typing:
"Quit it Darl, you look silly"
BFD, nothing to see here, move along folx. Geesh, at least throw in a goatse link.
Have you ever hit the stop button during previews? Some disks just shows the circle with a line through it - but doesn't stop. So, I guess technically you can "press" the Stop button, but you are not allowed the result.
A few years ago, I helped replace all of the sco registers in a local health food chain (41 stores) with a fleet of Dell Optiplexs running Win 2k on the client and server. I didn't spend much time with the pos application, the modems were unreliable, the receipts weren't always received, so you had to call the stores and get their numbers. I think this was more of a testament to old, badly maintained equipment more than anything though. I ran it long enough to replace it. Windows was a huge improvement.
Yeah, it's practical to roll out the protocol, which, if backwards compatible, would not solve the problem. The alternative would be to upgrade the WORLD all at once. Yeah we should do that. Maybe we can patch the windows boxes while we're at it. I would love to hear your ideas for rolling out this new protocol.
Too bad you're an AC. I wanted to compliment the parent on this eloquent snippet:"... the torch-waving asshats of the American Taliban..."
But found myself more pleased with your bitch-slap of the CCC apologist. "compound in Idaho" indeed, if I recall correctly, most "compounds" are for right-wing Christian militants. David Koresh and Nazis come to mind.
I am so tired of closed-minded spiritualists who think society is part of a divine design. This thinking is arrogant, lazy (too lazy search for a REAL answer), and worst, it perpetuates the real terrorism of fundamentalism. We are fighting a war against that which GWB is trying to create - a theocracy is bad for everyone, no matter the base religion of the theocracy - "American Taliban" is succinct.
so...if you're not me, then you are similiar to the other people who aren't me. So they're them and that also makes them "they" and "they" is you as well...
The sad thing is; in order to be educated, you have to want to learn. Most people seem to be more reactive (only doing something when it affects them personally) than proactive (exercising democracy). When the first erroneos micropayment bill is delivered, THEN "A lot of people" will be "concerned".
OK, why do we always judge what the engineers do by the crapalicous activities of some webmaster/secretary etc....? Granted, you should always put your most professional foot forward, but to doubt an entire project because someone exported from word? The document was probably in word already and this was the easiest way to maintain consistency between their printed materials and the web page. Judge the product on the merit of the standard's details, not on your expert html skills.
You're just not keeping the right company Oh - What is the tempature right now? 50 degrees at my apt, Beautiful.
Don't you have air conditioning in your car for the summer? Trust me I've lived in many much worse places. Come on man, we got the cardinals - oh wait. The diamond backs - oh wait. The Suns! oh wait. The Coyotes! eh, you get the point.
Going 2 directions at once? Of course there are always multiple forces at work on an object, but as far as momentum, I would think once you stopped going one direction, you are either at rest or moving in another direction. So which is it? Falling or moving away - you can't have it both ways.
- unless the moon is elongating into some sorta weird moon tube.....then maybe you're right...
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Last one, then your mom says you gotta go home. You are arguing just to have someone to argue with.
You missed the entire point.
My point is: we don't know
Meaning it is impossible for me to lean one way or another. You state you highly doubt there is intelligent life based on what you know, and I think that is flawed.
I never said I believed in little green men, I simply stated the universe is too vast to think you have a good grasp on it. Since it is impossible to make an intelligent argument for or against, I think it is flawed to take a position either way. You take the position of no intelligent life. If you said you believed just as strongly that you did believe in aliens, you'd be just as big an idiot as you are now.
Is it clear now Corky? I can't make it any clearer. If I need to make it clearer, you should be playing checkers on games.com. Maybe putting words in people's mouths is the way you win debates with your l33t gamer buddies, but not with me. Sure call me names - thats it, scream at your monitor. You're still an idiot who makes shit up to fill in for the knowledge you lack.
Oh, and since when do you EVER have all of the facts? There is ALWAYS a certain amount of uncertainty. Considering ONLY known facts will never help you discover new ones.
BTW CCC stands for the Conservative Christian Coalition - they get all of their facts the same way you do, someone makes it up until it fits.
Read a book.
Let's take this step by step:
Yes, let's.
1) We know the universe is big.
Yep, that's what the evidence suggests.
2) We know we know more about the universe now than at any time in recorded history; it remains to be seen how much more there is to know, but since we don't know how much we don't know, we can't really weigh that intelligently.
Exactly. This is what makes your position so ludicrous.
3) We know that of all the planets we've studied to date, ours is the only one with life, and we are the only intelligent life on that planet.
"Of all of the planets we've studied"? We can't say we have "studied" all 9 of the planets in our solar system, so being generous, 1 out 9 isn't that bad of odds. Yes, we do see gas giants around other stars, but must of our "study" amounts to detection.
Given what we definitely know
How about what we don't know? Isn't that what the real argument is? Since we don't know so much, how can you possibly arrive at your conclusion?
"Hi, I'm this blind guy who can't see the bus, so I highly doubt it exists" Make sense to you? This is what you are saying. See how utterly senseless it sounds?
It is one thing to just not know, another to stand firmly on a flawed premise. Are you with the CCC?
BTW, CS majors (even now in grad school) don't study much astronomy; this is why I provided links.
Question.
Where?
Consider the size of the universe. Then consider all of your knowledge of the universe. Now consider how likely intelligent life exists. The fact of the matter is, we are a very small and insignificant on the grand scheme of things. How can you, with any confidence, "doubt there is another intelligent lifeform out there". I would think that an assertion like that would require more knowledge than any of us have currently.
When considering the size of the universe, consider these figures:
Size of the sun: 1,299,400 Earths
Size of Jupiter: 1316 Earths
(scroll to bottom, look at volume)
Speed of Light: 186,000 mi/per sec
Diameter of our Galaxy = 90,000 light years or 5,865,696,000,000 (almost 6 trillion) miles across
Number of stars in the Milky Way: 200 - 600 Billion
The universe is HUUGE - and this is just what we are able to see....
Number of stars in the visible universe = 2000 billion billion or 20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Number of superclusters in the visible universe = 270 000
Number of galaxy groups in the visible universe = 500 million
Number of large galaxies in the visible universe = 10 billion
Number of dwarf galaxies in the visible universe = 100 billion
We are on a teeny-tiny planet next to an average star, in unremarkable galaxy - let's not take things out of context.
While I won't say it is likely that there is intelligent life, I would reserve judgement until there is more data - as should anyone concerned about truth.
I was a fine churchgoer. I went my entire childhood, 3 times a week, every revival, every youth activity. Once, during a revival, they asked for youth to volunteer to deliver a sermon - I did one on friendship. I kinda liked the research and preparation and the thought that maybe someone understood what I was trying to say. So I looked further into it and began asking questions about theology and about going to seminary school. The problem is the pastor and his colleagues ran out of answers before I ran out of questions. I believe that it is good for people to have a community in which to bond and establish values, but these values are that particular communities point of view, not to be forced upon a general public with different sensibilities.
Those that fit into the NASCAR or Wal-Mart demographic also MOSTLY fit into another - religous conservative. The damn God heathens are the ones that impede progress by asserting religous bias in government matters. We can talk constitution or what ever you want regarding law, but the simple fact is religion is not based on fact and is purely a personal preference. The Bushs, NASCAR fans, and Walmart fans (not to mention that Judge Moore in Alabama) think we should all be good little God-fearing Christians. The republicans love'em - this is why the dems hate them. Is it elitist to have disdain for someone who's opinions ignore the rights of others? Not to mention being based on absolutely no proveable truth.
BTW, I am a Texan and a Southern Baptist.
After all, the number of gullible people is rather limited.
All you need is an idiot with disposable income, plenty of those around.
Hey genius, all of us "Americunts" are imported anyway. The only truly American contribution would be one made entirely of Navajos or the like. So, yes, you are right europeans are always involved - as well as any other nationallity that wants a better life in America and works at NASA.
seriously....
I hate this argument. It builds on past mistakes to justify a misguided future.
....and on and on
Sorry, any argument based on the "God said so" line is flawed - pure and simple. There are too many "Gods" to assume yours is right for everyone. This way of thinking provides us with terrorists.
Marriage, by definition, can only be between a man and a woman.
So call it a civil union and leave the fags alone. I am not gay, but since I use logic to justify my points instead of some rantings in a book of fairy tales, I have to support gay marriage. Is it not possible for to fags to commit to each other permanently? Shouldn't they be able to see their partner if they are in the hospital?
You're kidding?
I Am Not A Lawyer (IANAL)
Big Fucking Deal (BFD)
Yeah, he just doesn't proofread for clarity or flow. In other "Open Letters", people counter Darl's arguments with well thought out responses. This guy effectively sat down and spent 15 minutes typing:
"Quit it Darl, you look silly"
BFD, nothing to see here, move along folx. Geesh, at least throw in a goatse link.
as long as we have freenet, we're ok - until they outlaw encrypted files.
Have you ever hit the stop button during previews? Some disks just shows the circle with a line through it - but doesn't stop. So, I guess technically you can "press" the Stop button, but you are not allowed the result.
I know it to be true.
A few years ago, I helped replace all of the sco registers in a local health food chain (41 stores) with a fleet of Dell Optiplexs running Win 2k on the client and server. I didn't spend much time with the pos application, the modems were unreliable, the receipts weren't always received, so you had to call the stores and get their numbers. I think this was more of a testament to old, badly maintained equipment more than anything though. I ran it long enough to replace it. Windows was a huge improvement.
Yeah, it's practical to roll out the protocol, which, if backwards compatible, would not solve the problem. The alternative would be to upgrade the WORLD all at once. Yeah we should do that. Maybe we can patch the windows boxes while we're at it. I would love to hear your ideas for rolling out this new protocol.
Too bad you're an AC. I wanted to compliment the parent on this eloquent snippet:"... the torch-waving asshats of the American Taliban..."
But found myself more pleased with your bitch-slap of the CCC apologist. "compound in Idaho" indeed, if I recall correctly, most "compounds" are for right-wing Christian militants. David Koresh and Nazis come to mind.
I am so tired of closed-minded spiritualists who think society is part of a divine design. This thinking is arrogant, lazy (too lazy search for a REAL answer), and worst, it perpetuates the real terrorism of fundamentalism. We are fighting a war against that which GWB is trying to create - a theocracy is bad for everyone, no matter the base religion of the theocracy - "American Taliban" is succinct.
I've always called them murdercycles. But they're fun.
Death, but not the hurtin' kind.
so...if you're not me, then you are similiar to the other people who aren't me. So they're them and that also makes them "they" and "they" is you as well...
The sad thing is; in order to be educated, you have to want to learn. Most people seem to be more reactive (only doing something when it affects them personally) than proactive (exercising democracy).
When the first erroneos micropayment bill is delivered, THEN "A lot of people" will be "concerned".
OK, why do we always judge what the engineers do by the crapalicous activities of some webmaster/secretary etc....? Granted, you should always put your most professional foot forward, but to doubt an entire project because someone exported from word? The document was probably in word already and this was the easiest way to maintain consistency between their printed materials and the web page.
Judge the product on the merit of the standard's details, not on your expert html skills.
You're just not keeping the right company
Oh -
What is the tempature right now? 50 degrees at my apt, Beautiful.
Don't you have air conditioning in your car for the summer?
Trust me I've lived in many much worse places.
Come on man, we got the cardinals - oh wait. The diamond backs - oh wait. The Suns! oh wait. The Coyotes!
eh, you get the point.
Going 2 directions at once? Of course there are always multiple forces at work on an object, but as far as momentum, I would think once you stopped going one direction, you are either at rest or moving in another direction. So which is it? Falling or moving away - you can't have it both ways.
...
- unless the moon is elongating into some sorta weird moon tube.....then maybe you're right
IANAP, but if they are photons, wouldn't we just need a mirror?
The pragmatist in me loves corporations; the idealist in me loves free software.
Well said.