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CRF Reveals Draft of New DRM Technology

scubacuda writes "PC Advisor and others report that the CRF (Content Reference Forum), a new, cross-industry standards organisation that boasts Universal Music Group, Microsoft, Nippon Telegraph and Telephone (NTT) and VeriSign among its members, has unveiled a new specification for a DRM technology. A draft of CRF Baseline Profile 1.0 is available for public review and comment." According to a report on CNET News, the "the [CRF-created] file would set up a process that automatically delivers files in the right format and potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor."

197 comments

  1. Members like that.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Really make one of the meanings of "member" appropriate.

    1. Re:Members like that.. by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      The Rabbi obviously forgot to measure twice before cutting once...

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    2. Re:Members like that.. by Loonacy · · Score: 1

      Makes you wonder what Bush was thinking when he gave the name of "Axis of Evil" to Iran, Iraq, and China.

  2. Intelligent File by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The Content Reference Forum is hoping to create a kind of intelligent file that can be distributed through file-sharing networks like Kazaa, Web pages, e-mail or almost anywhere else online.

    Instead of containing a song or movie itself, the file would set up a process that automatically delivers files in the right format and potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor.

    Anyone else get the impression that "intelligent file" is newspeak for "dangerously executable"?

    Wow, people are going to download executable code from kazaa and execute it. It ain't hard to guess what the follow-up news stories are going to be like. (Dammit, why haven't I bought stock in the anti-virus companies yet?!)

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    1. Re:Intelligent File by echeslack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not clear to me that it is actually an executable. "the file would set up a process" sort of implies this, but it could just as easily be a file that contains instructions for getting the file. I don't think it has to be dangerous. It seems to me it could be just as benign as regular media files.

    2. Re:Intelligent File by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1, Insightful

      *CLICK HERE NOW*

      >>>>>> HAA HAA Sucker - i just got a micropayment for $100 Thank you!!!!!!!

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    3. Re:Intelligent File by echeslack · · Score: 1

      I wasn't saying the idea was good. All I was saying was that it wouldn't have to let arbitrary code run to work.

    4. Re:Intelligent File by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You said it wasnt dangerous - currently *NOTHING* on my online activities causes me to miss a meal. Having a full blown micropayments system installed and required could really mess with your day.

      I call that pretty dangerous.

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    5. Re:Intelligent File by tds67 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Anyone else get the impression that "intelligent file" is newspeak for "dangerously executable"?

      I, for one, welcome our unbelievably large Internet worm overlords.

    6. Re:Intelligent File by echeslack · · Score: 1

      I did say it would be benign, but within a certain context, that of executable code. I guess I didn't make it clear enough that when I said it could be as benign as regular media files I meant that it wouldn't have to let the distributor execute their own code. I said nothing regarding the micropayment system.

    7. Re:Intelligent File by neoform · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The Content Reference Forum is hoping to create a kind of intelligent file that can be distributed through file-sharing networks like Kazaa, Web pages, e-mail or almost anywhere else online.

      can someone explain to me why i'd want to host files for other people's profit? if i'm gonna have to pay for a file, it damnwell better be hosted by someone else, and not by me.
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    8. Re:Intelligent File by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Errr... Price? Music, software, movies, Family Guy all through p2p, all legal, all copyright holds get their cut, and uses existing networks. Only in technology can you find such compromises. Next will be easy payments (please offer at least one payment option through my ISP as an additional service(s)).

      I like it, I like it alot. Except for the personal information bit, I'd prefer to keep my logs private and I'd prefer those logs to hold value for me if I choose.

      The spec docs were at least respectful even with all those black lines, informative with no fud. Potential viral nature is too funny (OPEN_ME.EXE to name a few).

    9. Re:Intelligent File by Tokerat · · Score: 1


      You don't think they'll try making ActiveX objects or something equally asinine the download targets?

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    10. Re:Intelligent File by BSDFreak · · Score: 1
      wouldn't have to let arbitrary code run to work.
      Wouldn't have to != won't. Especially given the track record of certain companies in that list.
  3. Painting by SteakandcheeseUm · · Score: 1

    Is that painting on the top of their website copyrighted?

    1. Re:Painting by 00420 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is that painting on the top of their website copyrighted?

      Well, the painting was finished in 1512 and copyrights didn't exist until 1710, so I doubt it.

    2. Re:Painting by XiChimos · · Score: 1

      No, public domain.

  4. I wonder... by bckrispi · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder what key we'll have to hold down to disable this new brainstorm.

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    1. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!

    2. Re:I wonder... by dekashizl · · Score: 4, Funny

      From the archives, 2012:

      LOS ANGELES - A Los Angeles man was sentenced and jailed without trial for violating the File Acquisition Grant System (FAGS) when he downloaded a ten year old Kid Rock song without submitting the required payment of 2 Euros.

      "My cat was sitting on my desk, and I guess his paw was on the Num Lock key or something, right when the transaction was happening. I didn't intend to violate the EULA at all," said the incarcerated netizen, whose belonging have been seized and sold on EBay.

      Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearm, and Media (ATFM) agent Phucyo Fridomup successfully lobbied the automated court system (running a patched version of MS Justice 2007) to get another three consecutive life sentences added on after hearing the comment about the cat, since this may give other criminals information to use to bypass the payment system and is a further violation of DMCA.

      The cat has since been ritually slaughtered and offered up as sacrifice pursuant to 2008 Patriot Act Adjunct Subsection 8.4.

    3. Re:I wonder... by T0t0r0_fan · · Score: 1

      This is surely +5, but seriously, it is not funny...It just creeps me out, for all we know it might as well be quite close to reality, be it in year 2012 or 2021, still in our lifetimes...

    4. Re:I wonder... by nyseal · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's really frightening.....especially the part about MS Justice 2007 (I HOPE they've upgraded to version 6.0!). Either way, are you available for Halloween parties? That story would scare a bunch of people I know!

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    5. Re:I wonder... by certron · · Score: 1

      Here's something I posted to LinuxToday.com a good long time ago. The post is http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-05 -02-015-20-NW-CY-0020 and the story is http://wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,43485,00.htm l

      March 15 -- Today an Ohio public school classroom was raided by Department Of Media Enforcement (DOME) agents, following a tip that a student was in possesion of two unauthorized screen captures. The captures were reportedly from the popular TV shows, Frivolity (Tuesdays MVE, 9:00PM - 10:00PM) and Chained (Wednesdays DBC, 8:00PM - 9:00PM). Agents stormed the building at 9:47 AM after a tip from an anonymous source said that they had seen the student remove the captures from their bag and look at them for a moment before replacing them in their bag, but didn't get a good enough look at them to tell if they had the seal present on authorized screen captures. During the raid, witnesses reported that the student was surprised at first, but quickly became agitated and was preparing to flee when an agent wrestled the suspect to the floor. Before being escorted out of the building in handcuffs, the student, in tears, mentioned that the 'images' were for use in a manual graphics reproduction class to take place later that day. Two agents attended the class to ensure that no other unauthorized material was present.

      When students were questioned about the suspect, one witness mentioned that he had seen the suspect in posession of an optical photographic reproduction device. It is not known at this time whether the device was registered with DOME officials or not.

      Posession of unauthorized screencaptures is punishable by up to 6 months in a medium security prison for each infraction, but since the suspect is under 16, the sentence will likely be reduced by as much as 2 months. Traficking in unauthorized screen captures is illegal under the DMCA, which was amended 4 years ago to cover a wider range of devices and revise penalties for noncompliance. Customers who are found in posession of unregistered devices are assesed fines and will have the devices confiscated. Customers found engaging in unauthorized behavior will be fined, have their subscriptions cancelled and may face jail time.

      Frivolity is a trademark of Mediastream Viapoint Enterprises, used with permission. Chained is a trademark of Digiflex Broadcast Corporation, used with permission.

      This article appears thanks to generous contributions from Media Protection Assesment Association, encouraging you to sign up for an annual compliance review today, with discounts to qualifying customers. Additional contributions provided by Radcliffe-Interband Attorneys and Associates.

      Charges:
      This item: $0.79
      Total today: $37.54

      Continue? _

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  5. Automatic Payment System? by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Blah. you mean more like 'automatic theft system'( once your machine is cracked ), or 'automatic consumer screw system', or 'automatic removal system' ( for those documents of 'restricted information' )...

    If we ever get to that point, i for one wont be using a PC device of any kind...

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    1. Re:Automatic Payment System? by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "If we ever get to that point, i for one wont be using a PC device of any kind..."

      well by that point in time I will be using macs and linux pc's, So either I will be immune, or just won't be upgradeing any more hardware. It will suck, but I will be free, to do as I live, as I desire.

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    2. Re:Automatic Payment System? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      This may be redundant (as it was modded), but it drives the point home quite well. Well said :)

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  6. Cheap music... by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...file would set up a process that automatically ... triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor.

    Hey, I'll sell you a music file for only 1 cent.
    On second thought, make that $100

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    1. Re:Cheap music... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      No, honestly. I didn't mean to bill you for $10,000! I ment $10 you see. The problem is my keyboard................

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  7. Hot dog! by aiken_d · · Score: 1
    ...and potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor.

    Damn! I am getting me into the content business. Oh wait, I already am. Go CRF!

    Cheers
    -b

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  8. Bouncing accounts everywhere.... by BubbaTheBarbarian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Last time I checked, a file that tries to automatically charge you for opening it was a...

    virus?

    Ok, let me also say this. The whole thought process around the word automatically is really starting to scare the hell out me. We live in a society where folk have a hard time keeping track of written checks. How the hell do we expect them to keep track of all the automatic deductions being taken from them?

    Oh wait, we don't. Just another way to enslave the masses I guess.

    No thanks. I will stick files that might sound like crap, but I don't get charged for until I buy the cd (let the flames begin).

    1. Re:Bouncing accounts everywhere.... by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      Jus' a little flame...

      (sizzle)

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    2. Re:Bouncing accounts everywhere.... by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, a file that tries to automatically charge you for opening it was a...

      virus?


      I think trojan is more correct. A virus would do it without you opening it, I would think.

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    3. Re:Bouncing accounts everywhere.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ok, let me also say this. The whole thought process around the word automatically is really starting to scare the hell out me. We live in a society where folk have a hard time keeping track of written checks. How the hell do we expect them to keep track of all the automatic deductions being taken from them? Oh wait, we don't. Just another way to enslave the masses I guess."

      Maybe instead of attacking businesses, we should ask people to take personal responsibility for their actions. I guess this attitude is why Democrats get elected all the time. Freedom is slavery. Nice doublespeak.

    4. Re:Bouncing accounts everywhere.... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Just another way to enslave the masses I guess.

      That's an interesting definition you have of slavery, making it easy for them to spend more money than they realise...

    5. Re:Bouncing accounts everywhere.... by BubbaTheBarbarian · · Score: 1

      Perhaps indenturement is a better choice of words here...where one owes more then he makes...

    6. Re:Bouncing accounts everywhere.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really.

      National Geographic magazine recently had an article about modern slavery, and it appears that economic slavery, where the master is in control of the payroll as well as the debting, is still in full swing. Typically, it involves the master being able to dictate not only his slaves' working, but also the value of their work, the value of the "costs" involved in keeping them working, payments in lieu of cash, etc., essentially keeping things skewed so that the slaves never have an honest chance to work out of their "indebtedness".

      And this doesn't even have to revolve around prostitution.

      Way back in the 1800s, railroad, mining, etc. companies set up company towns for their employees to live in. Employees were often issued only script for their work, which could only be spent in the company town stores (which were owned by the company...), blahblahblah.

      The more the RIAA goes along this road, they very much do look like a quasi-legitimate racket.

      Instead of the Mob shaking down store owners for "protection", they're shaking down downloaders (because it is too hard to go after the real pirates) with "amnesty".
      Racketeering.

  9. hey look! .. it's amazon & a download button. by junkymailbox · · Score: 1

    why do people keep reinventing the wheel and then say they're not trying to reinvent the wheel?

  10. ummm by kommakazi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is it just me or does this "potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor" sound a bit dangerous and easily abusable by the 'content distributor'?

  11. Everybody? by gid13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it just me, or does this require the participation of ALL digital content providers to work? For example, how will the downloaded file get a working file from iTunes if Apple doesn't want any part of it?

    If I'm right, this seems dead before it starts, since the only real shot it has (IMHO) is being able to provide all songs, where some online sales places can't.

    Am I wrong?

    1. Re:Everybody? by penguinoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Under the new technology, people would share the "Content Reference" file instead, which would point them to authorized versions of the content that would automatically fit whatever device or computer software the recipient is using.

      This doesn't really answer your question (maybe it does, but I'm very dense). I don't know how they will prevent you from copying the file when/while you retrieve it, though.

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  12. Change the law by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 5, Interesting
    While the United States Constitution allows Congress to enact copyright laws, it doesn't require Congress to do so. Copyright could be repealed, and file sharing made legal tomorrow if you could just get the votes in Congress to do so.

    If you think this couldn't happen, consider that more Americans use p2p filesharing applications than voted for George Bush.

    Change the Law, from my article Links to Tens of Thousands of Legal Music Downloads, discusses the background of copyright law in the United States, and suggests steps you can take to reform copyright law. Among the steps I discuss are to Speak Out, Vote, Write to Your Elected Representatives, Donate Money to Political Campaigns, Support Campaign Finance Reform, Join the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Practice Civil Disobedience

    Thank you for your attention.

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    1. Re:Change the law by Snoopy77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So we repeal copyright. What is left to 'promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries'?

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    2. Re:Change the law by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think copyright should be restricted. For example, a software copyright should last only less then 5 years, or software cannot be copyrighted if you do not show the code. Something that will allow copyright to recoup for expenses, but not be abused.

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    3. Re:Change the law by cubicledrone · · Score: 1

      If you repeal copyright, 30% of the economy vanishes the next morning. Changing copyright is fine, but people should have the ability to copyright their creative work.

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    4. Re:Change the law by utexaspunk · · Score: 1

      I think the better question might be what is left to hinder it?

    5. Re:Change the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you think the major research universities would pour all the money they do into grants if they knew there was no way to make money off the labors? Don't you think part of the reason universities do so much research is that they hope to discover something, and make money off of it?

    6. Re:Change the law by Snoopy77 · · Score: 1

      Copyright is restricted. The current life plus 70 years was a step in the wrong direction from the original life plus 50 years. But your suggestion, and I know it was meant only as example, of 5 years flat is too big a jump in the right direction.

      You've got to remember that the entertainment industry is a very special case of copyright. It has a very large consumer base and a tight fisted distribution arm which has abused copyright laws for their own financial gain. But the war must be between the consumer and the distributors. Relaxing or repealing copyright laws attacks the rights of the producer just to get at the distributors. I for one do not see this as acceptable collateral damage.

      Furthermore, what about other industries that rely on copyright. My place of employee produces specialised software models and has been doing so for over 20 years. Our models out perform all of our competitors. But if we had no copyright laws to protect our software why would we bother developing and fine tuning our models when all our hard work could simply be taken and used by our competitors.

      Copyright gives producers a guarentee that they can be compensated for the work they have done if they so wish. I believe this guarentee provides an environment that supports innovation.

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    7. Re:Change the law by cfuse · · Score: 1
      If you think this couldn't happen, consider that more Americans use p2p filesharing applications than voted for George Bush.

      Now if they can just combine voting machines and P2P ...

    8. Re:Change the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the grandparent said "reform," not "repeal." very different.

      so your question doesn't make any sense. copyright would be left to 'promote the progress of science and the useful arts' - perhaps with terms closer to a person's lifetime, so that someone could see something from their childhood enter the public domain for their grandchildren to see. that's what i'd like, anyway.

    9. Re:Change the law by Snoopy77 · · Score: 1

      I think the better question might be what is left to hinder it?

      Not everyone is going to gladly put time and money into a project, be it software or a music album, that will reap them next to no monetary reward. I've got bills and a mortgage, I need to put food on the table and wouldn't mind some creature comforts now and then (and I won't sneeze at a tropical holiday). Am I to survive on the warm fuzzy feeling of knowing that all my work is in the public domain for all to enjoy?

      Free (as in liberty) software, musical, literature and scientific projects are great, don't get me wrong. And yes, especially with free software you can see just as much if not more innovation than closed software projects. But forcing everyone into that model is economically infeasible and a lot of great ideas would not see the light of day because it would not be worth it to develop them.

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    10. Re:Change the law by Snoopy77 · · Score: 1

      Actually the grandparent did say repeal.

      But you at least do make a valid point that reforming the laws would still leave them there to perform the function of promoting progress. I do however see a problem with the person's lifetime being the limit.

      Here in Australia the hottest local muscial artist is also suffering from a possibly fatal disease. Now we all hope she'll make it through and I think she will, but just say she didn't. Does all her work then go into the public domain? What if she were married and had kids? Shouldn't her estate get to benefit from her work according to her will?

      I do think they could come up with a more intricate formula for length of copyright than life + 50/70.

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    11. Re:Change the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be changed to X years from publication just like it is for corporations that own IP. I would certainly be worried about a law that put everything into the public domain right at death, though.

    12. Re:Change the law by Rasta+Prefect · · Score: 1
      While the United States Constitution allows Congress to enact copyright laws, it doesn't require Congress to do so. Copyright could be repealed, and file sharing made legal tomorrow if you could just get the votes in Congress to do so.

      In theory perhaps, but there are some difficult international treaty obligations there...

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    13. Re:Change the law by core_blimey · · Score: 1

      Should a plumber who dies of Cancer be able to hand his kids the future benefit his work would have brought in? Why should a singer be any different? Maybe if both parties had life insurance... but then that's exactly what it's for.

      I've never understood the argument that somehow artists children are more deserving of non-earned money than anyone else.

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    14. Re:Change the law by Snoopy77 · · Score: 1

      There is still potential for a singers original work to make money even after death. It is in effect an asset and one that should rightly be controlled by the singers estate upon death.

      A plumber usually only gets paid on a hourly work basis. SO if he is no longer working then obviously there is no chance of making money after his death.

      It's just the different natures of the two professions. The plumber has the security of knowing that he will get paid for the hours of work he completed in a day. The singer put's in hours of work and at the end of the time (months) has to cross fingers hoping that it will reap rewards.

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    15. Re:Change the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've had no problem breaking treaties thus far in the current administration...

    16. Re:Change the law by crucini · · Score: 1
      If you repeal copyright, 30% of the economy vanishes the next morning.

      OK, apply that logic in reverse. Let's pass a law that companies can own days of the year. On June 1, for example, AOL might have the right to control all commerce, charging what taxes or fees they see fit. If they charge too much, people will wait till June 2, when IBM's laws will govern. Think of the expansion of the economy! Employment for lawyers, enforcement agents, marketers advocating a particular day to go shopping. Thing how much revenue will flow to these day-owners.

      If that system were in place and someone proposed its elimination, would you protest on the grounds of damage to the economy?
    17. Re:Change the law by leviramsey · · Score: 1

      Nothing like a straw man...

    18. Re:Change the law by imroy · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you're not confusing patents with copyright?

    19. Re:Change the law by a24061 · · Score: 1

      He's not saying that copyright should necessarily be repealed, merely that it could be. The US Constitution authorizes but does not require Congress to provide copyright law. It is also useful to remember that copyright is an 18th-century invention: most of our culture was created without it.

      So copyright is not a right comparable to freedom of speech but a legally constructed privilege.

      The real problems are the duration of copyright and the obstruction of fair use (e.g. DMCA). Lawrence Lessing (in The Future of Ideas) points out that extending the duration of existing copyrights (as Congress has been doing) has no value as an incentive to authors, because they have already produced those works.

  13. Whaich is it? by jvollmer · · Score: 1
    automatic payment system that could be changed
    moment to moment by the content distributor."

    changed - or charged?

    If it's not Consolidated Lint, it's just fuzz!

  14. It's not really much of a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...that Microsoft wants to have a hand in the "standard DRM", you know, in light of their upcoming digital music service

    1. Re:It's not really much of a surprise... by redcaboodle · · Score: 1

      that Microsoft wants to have a hand in the "standard DRM"
      Yeah - Microsoft Style DRM, of course. As in: That computer you paid a lot of bucks for will now only do what we allow it to.
      rant My boyfriend installed Mediaplayer 9 on his machine yesterday. After a lecture from me on DRM he uninstalled it and, hey presto, suddenly his CD-RW drive reported itself as a plain CD-R. Something fishy with the drivers, i think. Windows would then not allow me to install new CD-RW drivers. In the end I reinstalled Mediaplayer and that installed something called Roxio CD Burning (yes, he uses Roxio WinOnCd as a burning tool) and the CD-RW was there again.
      On the sideline - anyone know a good linux cd burning howto (ATAPI!!!!) and a grapical roaster at least as simple as WinOnCD? He doesn`t play games on it anyways and I might as well give Windows the boot instead of reinstalling it.

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  15. Re:hey look! .. it's amazon & a download butto by penguinoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    why do people keep reinventing the wheel and then say they're not trying to reinvent the wheel?

    So they can patent it under different discriptions :-)

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  16. Universal Music Group, Microsoft, VeriSign by Petronius · · Score: 5, Funny

    3 names that evoke freedom, innovation and the interest of the consummer. ah, we feel so much better now.

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    1. Re:Universal Music Group, Microsoft, VeriSign by aquishix · · Score: 1

      3 names that evoke freedom, innovation and the interest of the consummer. ah, we feel so much better now.

      No kidding. Maybe this attack won't be the one that finally pushes DRM through to the masses, but when it does, it's going to rape the Internet. I fear the day when my machine is no longer under my full control, and I will NOT buy any hardware that has a fucking Fritz chip in it, or anything else that I deem to be in complete violation of common sense and freedom.

      I highly encourage my fellow /. readers to boycott any company that becomes an active part of this DRM movement. Stop buying movies, CDs, or anything else from the RIAA, MPAA, Microsoft, etc etc blah blah (/rant)

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    2. Re:Universal Music Group, Microsoft, VeriSign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No to mention Macrovision...

    3. Re:Universal Music Group, Microsoft, VeriSign by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the kind of good, honest information releases such as

      "Currently, people who send files through file-trading networks, or via e-mail or instant messaging, are largely locked in to sending a specific file that may not be readable by people who lack the appropriate software or hardware."

      That makes a lot of sense. This technology will allow me to share my copy of Deus Ex 2 with my friends who have Macs. Thanks for clearing that up.

  17. Scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its really scary reading all this online. Large monopolies growing larger set to put the law back 200 hundred and more years.

    A lot of people who don't read places like slashdot would be equally concerned if they knew what was going on. They need to be educated, its why democracy works, and why it fails when it doesn't occur.

    1. Re:Scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The masses aren't going to care until it personally affects them. They couldn't care less about what they probably see as something that only affects computer geeks.

    2. Re:Scary by dekashizl · · Score: 3, Interesting
      A lot of people who don't read places like slashdot would be equally concerned if they knew what was going on. They need to be educated, its why democracy works, and why it fails when it doesn't occur.
      Democracy works fine without education. The problem is mob-rule where the whims and impulses of social consciousness determine policies that are often short-sighted and dangerous.

      This is one reason why we (U.S.A.) have a representative democracy (as opposed to direct democracy). A filtering layer of responsibility prevents horrible things from happening.

      I actually think our democracy would work better if people were uneducated. Our education system now is broken, serving to indoctrinate political and cultural agendas far more than impart any useful knowledge.

      At least if we acknolwedged this fact and focused our efforts on useful propoganda for our youth rather than bickering with school boards and burned out teachers and still having no consensus on morality, ethics, history, or even current events, then we might have a chance of generating good voters.

      As it stands now, kids in school learn mostly how to fight and how to memorize trivia for short periods of time. If our country was a giant game show with a fighting round followed by a quiz round, then we'd be all set.
    3. Re:Scary by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Large monopolies growing larger set to put the law back 200 hundred and more years.

      Not at all. If copyright were as it was two centuries ago few, if any, Slashdotters would be complaining. The problem isn't that these groups want the law to revert to some earlier incarnation, they want to be allowed to continue mutating copyright into some hybrid form favorable only to themselves. Remember, the RIAA and sister organizations have been "adjusting" copyright law for a very long time: it was largely back-room stuff. They've just gotten a lot more overt about it recently and people are starting to notice.

      But this comes back to enlightened Capitalism, or the lack of it. Absolute control does not guarantee an eternal revenue stream, in spite of content holders contrary beliefs. Put this way: even before peer-to-peer raised its (to them) ugly head, music sales were falling off. Well, at least the industry's growth rate was dropping. And that was the period where they had substantially more control of music distribution and production than they have now. Being able to restrict content distribution with an iron-clan DRM system can't force people to buy a product that they do not like and for which they have no use. The music companies and the RIAA figured that, if they could control all the music available for purchase or on the radio, they could sell us anything they want and we would buy it. That approach worked for a while, but eventually the public wised up and demanded more. And when Napster came along ... well, the genie was let out of the bottle for good. True to form, the music companies refused to see the opportunity presented by this technology and focussed instead on maintaining the status-que-ante.

      Whatever genre of entertainment floats your boat, the two things the buying public wants are a. variety and b. quality. Variety is probably the more important of the two. In any case, the entertainment industry (the music studios in particular) has been providing us with progressively fewer choices, along with a general degradation in quality. All the DRM in the world won't make me buy crap. Sometimes you just simply have to provide a quality product for a reasonable price ... it's just good business.

      The music industry's monomaniacal absorption with peer-to-peer file sharing is interesting. They seem to be operating under the delusion that eliminating or corrupting these primitive networks will assure them of their due. And even if it were actually possible to enforce a global ban on file sharing ... well, there are other means. A fellow at work brought in a removable hard disk with ninety-odd gigabytes of MP3 files on it: needless to say he became quite popular.

      The point is that there really isn't any way for the content people to recan this particular can of worms. People with get what they want, which is a large selection of reasonably priced (or, if necessary, free) music and if it means going back to SneakerNet that's exactly what will happen.

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    4. Re:Scary by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is; in order to be educated, you have to want to learn. Most people seem to be more reactive (only doing something when it affects them personally) than proactive (exercising democracy).
      When the first erroneos micropayment bill is delivered, THEN "A lot of people" will be "concerned".

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    5. Re:Scary by Genom · · Score: 1

      If our country was a giant game show with a fighting round followed by a quiz round, then we'd be all set.

      Fighting round? ::looks at CNN coverage of Iraq::

      Quiz round? Well, there *is* an election next year...

      Hmm...I'd say you've got it just about right there ;P

    6. Re:Scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Educate the people all you want! But if you live in the USA, don't educate them within 60 days of an election. Telling people what canidate favors what is a FEDERAL CRIME for everyone but the big media monopolies. Ain't that strange...

    7. Re:Scary by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1
      "This is one reason why we (U.S.A.) have a representative democracy (as opposed to direct democracy). A filtering layer of responsibility prevents horrible things from happening."

      What happens when the filter is poisoned, though?

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    8. Re:Scary by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1
      Surely the system would work better if people were better educated rather than less? Otherwise we could skip the whole thing and go straight for a benevolent dictatorship.

      Its quite scary if things are so bad that people actually believe we should go backwards rather than the more difficult forward route.

    9. Re:Scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The filter prevents horrible things from happening TO THE FILTER, but NOT to the people.

    10. Re:Scary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I somewhat agree with you. The original poster is right if he has the assumptions that education is uneven.

      If the public school system was free, homogene and of equal (or better) quality than private education (better yet; if there was no private education!), direct democraty would be possible.

      Of course, this is not likely in the current situation, but I wouldn't say it's impossible. I have had the opportunity to go to a special public high-school (affiliated with the International Bacchalaureate), where we learn to think by ourselves rather than blindly believe the medias, and to exercise criticism in all situations. I have witnessed there that even though there is an entry exam, the results are more related to the determination of the candidate than his intelligence. Every student who goes through his whole high-school years there came out able to hold a very advanced political conversation on current events or past history and to analyse its implications.

      It is also very interesting to note that more than 75% of the students that went through are between extreme-left and centre-left political alignment. There are less than a handful of students who have a clearly right alignments, the rest either being centrists of not being consistant enough to be adequately evaluated (ya, we did polls).

      P.S: I'm Quebecois (French-Canadian for those who don't know), so excuse me for my english; it's not my primary language. Also keep in mind that for us, High School is 5 years, from 12 to 17 of age.

  18. Yup! by eclectro · · Score: 2, Informative


    It's called "bait n' switch, internet style"

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    1. Re:Yup! by Raagshinnah · · Score: 1

      cool, maybe i can apply for a "on the internet" patent for it

  19. Prices... by maleficus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor" So basically, a file could cost 10 cents one minute, and 20 the next? What if you happened to download the file as it was being repriced, and you end up paying more than you expected?

    1. Re:Prices... by happyhippy · · Score: 1

      Yeah I can see how thatll happen.
      You buy a relatively new bands song/album, they make it big, the companies greedily wants more as theres more demand.

  20. urk by Vlion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Suddenly I am less happy. #1. M$ is part and parcel of it. #2. I don't like DRM Glancing at a document on the site, it would appear that it is a lawyer tool. Observe from their document: The primary goal for developing CEL is to meet requirements for building operational systems for content reference as given in [15], and to provide an extensible architectural framework for specifying contracts in other potential applications (outside of those for content reference) The primary function of a contract in CEL is to serve the following purposes: Evidence: communicate information conveyed within a contract that can be easily and unambiguously understood. Execution: facilitate permissive, obligatory or prohibitory performance within a contract in appropriate context, integrated with the contracting parties' business processes. This includes determination of whether or not one is allowed to exercise some right, or is required to fulfill some obligation or obey some prohibition. Evaluation: check permissive, obligatory or prohibitory performance by contracting parties. This appears to be another tool to control what I do. So I dislike it.

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    1. Re:urk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have truly earned your unmoderated comment.

  21. WOW! by barfarf · · Score: 1, Troll

    "the [CRF-created] file would set up a process that automatically delivers files in the right format and potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor."

    WOW! They're FINALLY giving us a LEGAL option for all of our content! Let's all give up our P2P stuff now since this is what we've ALL BEEN WAITING FOR! I can *hardly wait* to start PAYING for all this stuff that I used to get for free!

  22. Quality Products by ckathens · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh gee I can't wait to see what kind of quality products these great protectors of individual rights come out with next. It sure is great to see such companies as Microsoft & Macrovision working together, but it sure does make you wonder where the RIAA and the Taliban were during these meetings? Their invitations must have gotten lost in the mail.

    1. Re:Quality Products by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > It sure is great to see such companies as Microsoft & Macrovision working together, but it sure does make you wonder where the RIAA and the Taliban were during these meetings? Their invitations must have gotten lost in the mail.

      One wasn't evil enough for an invite, and the BATF guy got hung up at airport security.

  23. Goerge O. Was Right by tds67 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "the [CRF-created] file would set up a process that automatically delivers files in the right format and potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor."

    I know it's 2003, but why does it feel like 1984?

    1. Re:Goerge O. Was Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because just like the book, the process described will never happen? Look, crap like this comes around every 10 years or so, and it goes away because no one wants it. Get over it, no one is going to force you to use it. Yah blah blah...while you're worrying about this crap, I'll be over here getting laid.

    2. Re:Goerge O. Was Right by cpghost · · Score: 1

      1984 was just delayed. SCO claimed that '1984' was part of their IP (a #define constant in the file copyrights.h), resulting in a long litigation process. As a result, 1984 was not allowed to proceed up until now.

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  24. Why is this news? It's been done before.. by keifir · · Score: 1

    They use regular email for the system. And no need for "intelligent files" - just plain text or html will do.

  25. it just don't add up? by jdunlevy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can the money they make and/or "save" on this stuff ever possibly justify the expenses that must be going into research/development and other costs (including pissed off consumers) for this stuff?

  26. Not executable by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's just an XML file that says where you can download the content, what software/hardware you need to view it, and how much it costs.

    1. Re:Not executable by RickHunter · · Score: 1

      So how exactly would this prevent me from, say, using a packet sniffer to grab the content as it comes down the wire (or grabbing it at whatever stage it exists decrypted) and redistributing THAT on Kazaa?

      No, it'd pretty much have to be an executable wrapper around the content that communicates with the sound card VIA some kind of "secure" hardware path.

    2. Re:Not executable by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

      The actual content is DRMed, of course.

    3. Re:Not executable by Dwonis · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the point of this spec is not to prevent that, but to give people what they really want in the first place: an convenient way to pay for information.

    4. Re:Not executable by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 1

      It's just an XML file that says where you can download the content, what software/hardware you need to view it, and how much it costs.

      So that you can then download said content and share it over Kazaa, Web pages, email, etc...

    5. Re:Not executable by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or better still, pipe it through a nearly transparent proxy that changes the amount to $100 and changes the destination bank account to your own.

      And put that on Kazaa.

      I love XML.

      -Peter

    6. Re:Not executable by JWW · · Score: 1

      Sure, ok, but what I read seems like it may give people a consistent way to pay for information EVERY TIME THEY USE IT!!

      You know this is the holy grail for DRM, and also something I will absolutely not participate in. Look at the web access for cell phones with its pay to connect type of charges. These kind of payment schemes are just excuses for monopolies to fleece the customer.

    7. Re:Not executable by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      It's just an XML file that says where you can download the content, what software/hardware you need to view it, and how much it costs.

      That's great!

      I can hack it to get free content just by modifying the <cost> tag to 0.00!

    8. Re:Not executable by cptgrudge · · Score: 1
      These kind of payment schemes are just excuses for monopolies to fleece the customer.

      So make your own system that's different. It a free market. I know that there could be a high cost of entry, but anyone could make a better product.

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    9. Re:Not executable by RickHunter · · Score: 1

      Except we already have that. Heck, we have that in several dozen different ways. What this provides is the ability for corporations to charge you for content whenever they feel like it, without paying for distribution themselves. Oh, and change the purchase terms, and any number of other dirty tricks.

    10. Re:Not executable by JWW · · Score: 1

      My point is that there shouldn't be this sort of system.

      I'm coming at this from the customer's viewpoint. I will not participate in pay per access type of systems.

  27. Elitist Files?!? by tds67 · · Score: 1
    The Content Reference Forum is hoping to create a kind of intelligent file that can be distributed through file-sharing networks like Kazaa, Web pages, e-mail or almost anywhere else online.

    And just what's wrong with the dumb P2P files we have now?

  28. WE NEED THIS BECAUSE...? by starman71taylor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Folks I hate to break it to ya but this type of stuff is the beginning of the end for privacy in the U.S. and abroad. Any lingering "wall" of privacy afforded to citizens trying to maintain personal discretion and private matters..well private is being torn down bit by bit. First it's the Patriot Act with it's slick naming scheme police state features and now it's the computer industry complying with it's handlers to figure out a way to make your data their data (remember that possession of 'property' is 9/10th's of the law...if any of us actually "owned" anything anymore anyway) What is this mess leading too? World Police Government....Sorry to spills the beans.

    1. Re:WE NEED THIS BECAUSE...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well where you been.... you just got this all ready? but no worry now just get more people to believe it.

  29. if its available on p2p... by all+your+mwbassguy+a · · Score: 0

    why would i download this, and not a drm free mp3 file? this doesnt sound like i get any benefit from it, because i know exactly where i can find mp3s (p2p) or aac(itunes). if i really wanted a drm'ed file, but i wanted it to be available in the drm flavor of my choosing, id want a service that would search iTMS, rhapsody, buymusic, walmart music, etc. and give me the file with the best sound, lowest price, and least restrictive license.

  30. Customer Reaming Facility by IBitOBear · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's Executable!


    Fun for the whole family, have little billy click it twice for twice the fun!


    Seriously, I was eating in "Dennies" (rellay, my fault, I know) and the eight of us each had the all-you-can-eat breakfast bar. When the bill arrived we had been charged for ten. When we said, "hey, there are eight of us, but you charged us for ten" the servers response was, "oh, so do you want to go back and eat some more?"


    If you don't understand what is so wrong with the server in this example, then "automatically" and "changed at any time" are happy fun words for you and yours.


    Someone please save us all from the popular culture that would make people think anything like this CRF could be given a "popular and positive" spin...

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    --"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
  31. "Automatic" by glpierce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As far as I can imagine, "automatic payment" won't survive in a court. Unless you authorize payment, it's theft - setting up the account isn't authorization enough. The second they charge you, you can bring up a suit saying that you didn't download that song, your 7-year-old did, who isn't old enough to participate in the contract, etc.. I don't see how they expect to prove you payed if the transfer is completely automatic (no digital signiture, no entry of credit card info at time of purchase, no "Click Here to Order," etc.).

    Imagine a virus that downloads tens of thousands of songs to your computer. Then imagine the automatic money transfer. Then imagine the lawsuit you'll have if they won't give back the money.

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    1. Re:"Automatic" by Trigun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm, did you see the list of companies in the article? If the laws are currently counter-intuitive to their business model, guess which ones going to change.

      It isn't going to be their business model.

    2. Re:"Automatic" by fermion · · Score: 3, Informative
      Automatic payment can be legal, even if it is variable. It is how iTunes, other music service, and various utilities work. You sign an agreement saying you will be responsible for all charges incurred, and the service bills periodically. With iTunes it is important to keep your computer secure, otherwise a child or other miscreant might run up bills. It is really no different from the kid leaving the lights and air on all day and night.

      The problem is going to be getting the original authorization and insuring the user is informed of the obligations incurred by using the product, as well as informing the user if those obligations change. My suspicion is that this is going to require more that a click through license. It has to be solid enough to insure the user cannot call the credit card company and ask for a cancelation of charges.

      This is going to limit the flexibility of the system. If a user is presented with a charge confirmation screen every time a song is downloaded to a portable device or a movie is played, it is unlikely the consumer will frequently deal with that content.

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    3. Re:"Automatic" by glpierce · · Score: 1

      Not these kinds of laws - the implications are far too great. Music copyright laws only affect the music industry, which is itself 90+% RIAA-based (the RIAA lobbies "on behalf" of all the major labels). DRM laws only affect the computer software and multimedia industries, and furthermore only affect specific content which the owners have decided to protect. While DRM may not be something you like, there's no reason it shouldn't be available to those who want it; if a musician doesn't want their music protected, they're free to go independent, etc..

      "Automatic payment" is an entirely different matter.

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    4. Re:"Automatic" by glpierce · · Score: 1

      I'm not familiar with the iTunes payment scheme works, however I doubt it takes the form of an executable file. The key here is that a file is run, and you are automatically charged. There doesn't even have to be anyone at the computer - it could be done by a virus or accidentally put on a schedule. Trojans only complicate the matter. Unlike most web merchants that use cookies (e.g. amazon.com), which require the person click through multiple screens and acknowledge payment, or other software (I suspect iTunes might fit this) which require you be in a specific program and make selections within it, the "automatic" concept would remove several (virtually all) layers of security. Also, how would a user know how much a song costs? If it were traded on Kazaa, what would prevent people from labeling $10 items as $0.10? Without confirmation dialogs, it just won't work.

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    5. Re:"Automatic" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the dummies we have in Congress, it'll pass.

  32. oh RFC now is it? by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    If i can see it i can copy it ergo your entire specification (that you spent millions in business lunches on) is flawed. Not only that but the whole idea of DRM is the most idiotic and undemocratic imaginable. You (the greedy corporations) have helped move our society backwards by miles and have helped pass laws that will take years to unravel and fix. Your goal will make open source software impossible _and_ make open source hardware impossible. There is no way in hell you can tell me that you have the right to decide what people can do in their own homes, what hardware they can build, what software they can write and what things they can talk about which is basically what your going to do - intended or not.

    If i want to write a program (that does not violate remote computers) then thats my right. If i want to build hardware or fab chips that are not 'leathal weapons' then thats also my right, and finally if i want to talk about what ive done, that is absolutely 100% my right and you can go and stick your rights up your wrong hole.

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  33. Interesting Concept, However.... by Tsali · · Score: 1

    Why do we need an executable that sucks money out of me? I want more.

    I just want something that sucks my credit card number, PIN, SSN, mother's maiden name, and the biometrics for my colon if I so as much as hover on a hyperlink. That's what I want. I'm patenting it right now before any of you other bastards claim prior art.

    I want to be charged for breathing, too, but I haven't figured that out yet.

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  34. what if... by alizard · · Score: 1
    on a future generation of computer, if you aren't a participant, you DO NOT provide content?

    And you aren't eligible to participate in this unless your company has more than $1M in assets or similarly restrictive criteria>

  35. I love automatic programs that bill me. Honest. by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "the [CRF-created] file would set up a process that automatically delivers files in the right format and potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor."

    Oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

    Remember, these are the people you keep reading about that leave their servers open and have lists of credit cards stolen from them. Regularly.

    Just imagine DRM and auto billing mixed into that. This will be a nightmare of epic proportions. You heard it here first.

    Weaselmancer

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  36. We control... by Particle010 · · Score: 1

    Do not attempt to adjust your TV set... We control the horizontal... We control the vertical...

    Now you owe us... fitty cent

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    "Not the Earth!!! That's where I keep all my stuff!!!" - The Tick
    1. Re:We control... by ewhenn · · Score: 1

      Now you owe us... fitty cent

      Let me get this straight, you will give me a better picture on my television AND take fifty cent off the air. Make sure to get rid of his music videos as well. Now... where does the profit part come in?

  37. Dude, this is Microsoft we're talking about by theparanoidcynic · · Score: 1

    Of course it's gonna run arbitrary code. :p

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  38. I put it through babel fish: by t_allardyce · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is currently a lack of interoperability between digital content technologies that makes it challenging for consumers to easily get the content they want, in the format, platform and other preferences they choose.

    "While the internet and its protcols e.g www/http, filesharing etc are well suited to almost eveyrone in the world, we the suits find it challenging to make more money from less work."

    Additionally, there is currently no technology framework in place that allows all market participants to ensure that the business agreements they make are respected.

    "We have come to the conclusion that the business model that has been in use since the dawn of mankind (you give me this i give you that) does not work. We want to sell you a book, but we dont trust you to burn it after 24 hours so you can return and buy another one."

    Today, there does not exist a technical and business framework to achieve interoperability across multiple technology platforms and enable new business models. The Content Reference Forum plans to change that.

    "We had an old business model working before, but unfortunately there has been a change in technology and instead of moving on we want it our way."

    The Content Reference Forum (CRF) is a recently formed standards group of leading technology and content-related companies established to develop a universal way to distribute digital content across various media and geographies.

    "We have decided to join forces with our other corporate friends and make what is known in the business world as 'A big fucking unstoppable snow-ball monopoly bull-doser'"

    The organization's goal is to create a dynamic marketplace where participants can promote, sell and legitimately share content; consumers can get the right content for their location, platform and preferences; and the underlying commercial agreements and rights surrounding the content are respected.

    "We realised that eventualy everyone would figure out our plans so we sugar coated a potentially useless idea with the solution to a totally random problem: people get pissed off when they have to select their country and media format from a drop-down list."

    CRF's work will benefit many different audiences including content and technology companies as well as services companies (e.g. cable, telecommunications, cellular) and related businesses (e.g. Internet portals/media companies, wireless companies, computer manufacturers, consumer electronics makers, entertainment companies).

    "This will benefit us... and a few choice friends"

    Consumers will also eventually benefit as it becomes easier for them to find and share the content they want in the way they want it.

    "Consumers will eventually realise that if they do what we say we wont sue them. They will also be able to use our complicated, badly designed content search system and have the ability to select their country and media format from a drop-down list."

    The technology is context sensitive. It's the antithesis to one-size-fits-all mass market distribution models. This makes it quite powerful and consumer friendly. The user's situation is relevant and respected including the rendering environment, location, existing relationship with content provider(s), and language preferences.

    "We're going to write this little java app that lets you set the background colour of your online shop, and you can select your country from a drop-down list!"

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  39. available for public review and comment by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Funny



    TH15 5UX0RZ?

    Come on, you were all thinking it...

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  40. Because it's what the consumers want! by forevermore · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Last night, I got a worried IM from a younger cousin of mine. His mom had "cleaned up" their computer, and he was having trouble sending some wmv/rm files to friends of his. Windows Media Player kept giving him and his friends errors along the line of "I'm sorry, but you don't have a license to play that file." Of course, I immediately knew what was going on, and explained to him that Windows was just trying to prevent him from making illegal copies of music. The problem is, the files he was trying to share were of his band, off of their own demo CD. At that point, I pointed him to xiph and enlightened him about ogg vorbis.

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  41. DRM is .... by turniponion · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    DRM = digital radio mondiale - digital AM broadcasts from overseas that sound like FM with no noise.

    http://www.drm.org/indexdeuz.htm

    Oh, sh**! Wrong nerd hobby!

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  42. explotation possible with drm in kernel space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a thought, shouldn't drm be a userspace program?

  43. DRM by any other name by thumbtack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Still smells the same....it stinks...

    Copyright eventually expires, DRM doesn't.

    1. Re:DRM by any other name by ibotan · · Score: 1

      Copyright is supposed to expire. Today it does not.
      DRM is not supposed to expire.
      Either way you're house is built on a garbage heap.

    2. Re:DRM by any other name by tr0p · · Score: 1

      DRM does better than expire, it just doesn't work. I feel wierd saying this, but even Steve Jobs and his crew recognize this

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  44. Same as it always was by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shakespeare didn't have copyright protection, neither did Bach, Mozart, Beethoven.

    Interesting that no one since has been deemed better in those particular categories.

    1. Re:Same as it always was by TooManyNames · · Score: 1

      That point is well taken, but what about Edison and Tesla? Granted these were patent issues, but patents do bear some resemblance with copyrights.

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    2. Re:Same as it always was by Snoopy77 · · Score: 1

      Also interesting that in Shakespeare's time they used to dismember real people alive or dead on stage. Funny how things change over time.

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    3. Re:Same as it always was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Shakespeare didn't have copyright protection

      Actually, Copyright would have gotten in Shakespeare's way! While Shakespeare was exceptionally good at writing plays, he was not very good at coming up with original plots; instead, he used history or copied other people's stories.

      For example, in 1562 Arthur Brooke published Romeus and Juliet. Romeo and Juilet, which was first preformed around 1595, is a copy of Brooke's work. In fact, it would most certainly have be considered a "devrivative work" according to current US law. If our system of copyrigthts had existed in the 1500s, Shakespeare whould have never written Romeo and Juilet.

    4. Re:Same as it always was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, I see. We now need copyrights because we're no longer allowed to dismember people on stage. What the fuck are you talking about?

    5. Re:Same as it always was by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 1

      Neither did the brothers Grimm, yet Disney seems to "need" copyrights to ensure their continued contribution to society.

      Also, it was probably much harder to publish something and distribute it widely, so wouldn't copyright be more important to artists of that time? I can write a short story, stick it in a blog, and have it around the world in hours. So much less expense and financial risk for me, yet so much more incentive. Someone tell me again why we're stuck with the crap Disney produces?

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    6. Re:Same as it always was by kinnell · · Score: 1

      If I were to write a book, I would not be able to make any money out of it without copyright protection, because as soon as I put it on sale, some big publishing house with a massive distribution network and the ability to print large quantities of books at low cost would wrap my book in a designer cover and sell it at a much lower price than I could afford.

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    7. Re:Same as it always was by mdmarkus · · Score: 1

      though fats waller did...

    8. Re:Same as it always was by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      What have you got against Schubert, Chopin, Liszt, Verdi, Wagner, Mendelssohn, Schumann, Brahms, Dvorak, Mahler, Debussy, Strauss, Schoenberg, Ravel, Bartok, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, Cage, Reich, Glass, and Adams?

    9. Re:Same as it always was by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the ease of copying increases the importance of copyright.

      While you don't have the financial risk of pressing thousands of copies of a CD and hoping they sell, you do have the costs involved in creating the work in the first place. Usually the biggest cost is the creative one. Good artists don't just come up with endless streams of good ideas - they tend to have a few and they need to make their money off of those.

      Think of Tolkein and LotR. Do you think he just scribbled that out in a few weeks? He probably spent TREMENDOUS volumes of time getting it perfected before publishing it. He incurred a cost before the work was even done in the first place. If he sold one book as a PDF only to have some kids P2P it all over the planet he'd have lost out big-time.

      I don't believe in perpetual copyrights. I don't believe in restricting fair use. I think copyright law needs some substantial reform, actually. However, I don't think it is totally out of place, either.

    10. Re:Same as it always was by a24061 · · Score: 1
      Neither did the brothers Grimm...

      Their work was creative but not wholly original. All creative work is to some extent based on the existence of a rich public domain to borrow from and allude to. (Lessig, The Future of Ideas again)

  45. A Big Brother Ver. of The Old DivX Standard by felonious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree with all the previous posts saying how this is just another control mechanism. How in the hell can any human being accept a standard that automatically charges your bank account or credit card? I can see it now...you accidentally click on something and you end up buying it even thought you never agreed to or wanted said product.

    So what is your response to this Mega-Corporation virtual theft? You call up their 1-800 number based in some 3rd world country and sit on hold for a day or so. When you finally get someone online they know nothing plus you can't understand a word they say.

    God this sounds fucking great!
    I can't wait! Where do I sign up?

    Seriously these mega-corps can institute this standard or whatever they want to call it and sell it to the masses but we DO have a say so. I hope it goes the way of the 1st incarnation of DivX from Circuit City and burns out oh so quickly.

    We as consumers can reject this outright and not buy into it. Money talks and bullshit walks. Money is the only thing these companies understand and that's the genesis of the entire drm/dmca argument although they would like to convince us it's just the ability to innovate.

    With groups wanting to tie a drm to hardware and now this I really think the day is coming where we will actually want to stick with yesterday's hardware (today's) and forgo the next gen with all of the mega-media money protections built in.

    I will stick with the hardware that I can control and not let it control me.

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    1. Re:A Big Brother Ver. of The Old DivX Standard by Justice8096 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think that you would be accused of possesion of "illegal" copies of the music, since you are refusing to pay for it, invalidating your contract to "legally" possess it. Now, you could say you deleted the file - but since you have proved you possessed it, you would have to be able to prove you deleted it from all media with no backups, which isn't very likely.

  46. WTF by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Currently, people who send files through file-trading networks, or via e-mail or instant messaging, are largely locked in to sending a specific file that may not be readable by people who lack the appropriate software or hardware.

    What kind of fantasy world are they living in. The problem is that almost everything is encoded in well known formats that can be handled by most machines. The powers that be wish that content on P2P networks were in proprietary protected formats, but except for a bit of windows media crap, it isn't.

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  47. How is this for a system. by PzyCrow · · Score: 1

    All content you download will add it self to your ISP-bill, with an option to pay.

    That is: Instead of the hassel to leagaly pay for digital content, how about making it a hassel not to do it.

    Dont fight so har trying to destroy options. Better to invest that money in making the other option more attractive.

  48. Songwriters own copyrights too by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is, the files he was trying to share were of his band

    Actually, he might not have the right to distribute those files. He needs the songwriter's OK to distribute a recording of a song. And if he is the songwriter, he needs a professional musicologist's OK, or else what happened to George Harrison might happen to him.

    1. Re:Songwriters own copyrights too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm we're probably talking about a garage band with a guitar and a tambarine, not the fucking beatles ok? Perspective buddy.

  49. Actually I favor reform, not repeal by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    I suggest repeal in my original post in a hypothetical way, in order to capture the reader's attention.

    But my personal feeling is that copyright should be reformed, not repealed.

    For example, while I feel that copyright should be allowed for software, I don't think it should be permitted for binary-only releases unless full source code is submitted to the copyright office, so that upon the expiration of the copyright, it can be released to the public domain.

    In the section of the article entitled Should Copyright Even Exist? I say:

    While copyright in its current form has outlived its usefulness to society, I don't think it ought to be eliminated entirely. I think the copyright term of fourteen years provided by the United States' first Copyright Act is about right. That would allow artists and writers to profit from their work, while the shorter term would allow you to legally share music from your favorite bands of your younger days while you are still able to enjoy them.

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  50. Just add SCO by Rufosx · · Score: 1

    And it would be perfect.

  51. Note that they are all individuals.. by Kjella · · Score: 1

    I'm sure there'll be the place for talented individuals, but what I really fear will go missing are the large collaborative efforts. For example, take any professional cinema production. Between actors, props, make-up, costumes, cameramen, audiomen, directors, producers, editers, special effects and all the other people I'm forgetting right now, only a very few become famous. The stars and the star directors might get "enough" in itself through fame, status and whatever comes along with that.

    The rest would have to be compensated in cash somehow. Quite a bit of cash, actually. And where will it come from, if everybody can copy it completely free? Not movie theaters. Not DVD sales. Not TV broadcasts. Nowhere, in fact. Unless you want some government or private institution finance it for some reason. Which would easily end up being politically "correct" movies or infomercials, no thanks.

    I think the key would be a) limited times and b) escrow. e.g. software source code, original digital movies/audio recordings would be released by LoC or something like that when they expire from copyright. No infinite copyright using stuff like CSS, significant shortening of copyright.

    Kjella

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    1. Re:Note that they are all individuals.. by a24061 · · Score: 1
      I think the key would be a) limited times and b) escrow. e.g. software source code

      Definitely. The law should not allow anyone to copyright binary software without providing the source code. Remember that the purpose of copyright is to encourage and motivate authors, so that everyone will be able to learn from the subsequently enriched public domain.

  52. Uh huh by Josh+Coalson · · Score: 1
    "the [CRF-created] file would set up a process that automatically delivers files in the right format and potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor."

    Yeah, because, you know, that's just what consumers want.

  53. Did they dismember strawmen too? by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 1

    Grand parent: Can copyrights really be that necessary to promote intellectual achievements when intellectual achievements have thrived without copyright?

    You: In those times people were dismembered on stage, so therefore your argument is invalid.

    Me: Ow, reading that post gave my logic muscle a hernia.

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  54. contented distributor... by khanyisa · · Score: 1
    ...potentially triggers an automatic payment system that could be changed moment to moment by the content distributor

    Woops, read that as contented distributor - which is probably more accurate...

  55. Place your bets, gentlemen by dafoomie · · Score: 1

    Whats the over/under on how many minutes it will take for this to be cracked? I'll take the under.

    Whats the over/under on how many years in prison that person is sentanced to? I'll take the over.

    What are the odds that all computers made will require this built in (ala the v-chip)?

  56. You know.... by Zebra_X · · Score: 1

    something about standards these days - they don't seem to ever live up to what they are really needed for. Take XSL for instance, a good start, but there are still some real problems. XML, hard to screw up. wep for example completely fails at any sort of security, we have to count on ipsec to provide secure connections. funny how though, there are no standards on authenticating a private tunnel based on a username and password. HELLO, radius is no longer acceptable. but as such for all the standards based goodness out there - there is no solution. How about an objct query language, no standard at all. XPATH is being used, but should it? probably not. How about the IETF, moving ever so quickly for IPV6? Or the w3c - moving to make HTML not such a damn cluster skroo, oh wait we'll need to wait until 2100 for that.

    Standards - seem to be a real damn waste of time. Since they get you 90% there - but then let a brutha down on the most important parts.

  57. Whats the problem again? by cyril3 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Currently, people who send files through file-trading networks, or via e-mail or instant messaging, are largely locked in to sending a specific file that may not be readable by people who lack the appropriate software or hardware.

    And they plan to correct that by providing files to download that are specifically designed not to be readable by people who lack the appropriate software or hardware

    These people don't actually use the English language. Or at best its a version of English that has been taken out the back, given a good thrashing and been convinced to do what its told or there'll be more of the same.

  58. like downloading Office for your Xbox... by 286 · · Score: 1

    Sure it might be for a MS music store. But I think they are working on a way to do what opensource as always done, which allow for the downloading and installation of software on demand. That is why I switch to linux years ago. Tarballs, rpms, debs, and ebuilds all seem easier than messing with pirated or cracked software. I thinks thats why iTunes works too.

    There are times I would have payed money for a MS product if I could have had it right then. Like when people sent files I can't read without the equation editer addon for office. I'll take latex downloads from CTAN any day over the hell of trying to get math to work in msword.

  59. You'll get nothing but what you ask for by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    if you allow other people to have control over your finances.

    When you give a company your bank account number and tell them, "Ok, just charge my account whenever your computer decides that I need to be charged" you are setting yourself up for trouble.

    These people are theives and they will steal from you, penny by penny until they drain your life blood away.

    When I walk in the store and take something from the shelf, plop it down at the check out and pay for it with GREEN CASH, ** --> I -- ** control my finances and there is no fear of being over charged or having bogus charges billed to me.

    I live by cash alone. Everything I own is totally paid for. I pay only utility bills and I pay them with cash at the store. If I need something, I buy it at the store, with cash.
    I don't get in over my head. I don't have ANY bank accounts and don't borrow or OWE anyone any money for any thing.

    I can't be nickle and dimed to death on a credit card account because I don't have one. I don't have ANY bank accounts, at all. I don't have to worry about someone hijacking my identity because I don't have one.

    1. Re:You'll get nothing but what you ask for by Reziac · · Score: 1

      And that's all well and good so long as you have nothing to lose.

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    2. Re:You'll get nothing but what you ask for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you get online without a credit card? You can't even get a job without a credit rating soon, but you still have to pay property taxes. There's no way out.

    3. Re:You'll get nothing but what you ask for by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      I walk into the cable company each month and pay the teller wish green cash.

      Job? What's that?? No, really, I am self employed. Taxes? Walk into the tax office and pay cash.

      Cash. It's what people USED to do..

  60. SDMI relaunched! by dankdirk77 · · Score: 1

    Except without the M... (draw parallel to another great endeavor SDI)...

    But seriously, when will these people learn. To invent something requires an inventor. No one is inventing DRM; rather it is a dark process of artificial ensemination via marketing and lawyers.

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  61. Here's how to fix it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Windows Media Player 9, go to:

    "Tools" menu -> select "Options.." -> choose the "Copy Music" tab.

    Uncheck the "Copy protect music" option (which is enabled by default). This is all about the jukebox feature that's designed to rip your CDs to the hard drive. Being Microsoft it defaults to making copy-protected files.

    MP3 encoding is not included by default because of the same patent problems that have been plaguing Linux distributions, but there are plug-ins that you can buy.

    Of course OGG Vorbis is the best option, but Apple's free iTunes for Windows will make MP3 files as will CDEx.

  62. Exploit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who can see like 10,000 ways this can be used for fraud or to support deceptive business practices? You get an e-mail attachment you didn't request and guess what? You just paid for it.

    I am amazed at the lengths this industry will go to just to make the PC into an expensive paperweight, a read-only device.

  63. ... thus can be ... by hany · · Score: 1

    The actual content is DRMed, of course.

    ... thus can be cracked.

    Difficulty of cracking process of a given DRM scheme is IMO negatively proportional (sorry, I can't remember whether this is right mathematical term in english) to number of experts responsible for creating the scheme. :)

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  64. Automated Payment system ? by escallywag · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that doesn't keep any relevant personal information on a PC (Because I consider it to be an open book, despite all the measures I take to make it secure) ? How are they going to bill me automatically if there isn't any billng information to be found on my box ? This could only be done if your ISP is in on the conspiracy, in which case I would change ISP immediately...

  65. You wont be upgrading.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Eventually, new hardware will require by law an 'approved' OS + software + monitoring tools..

    So i figure at some point in the future ( many years away im sure ) us OSS people may be out of luck..

    In that situation, Open hardware or old hardware may be banned too... id not put it past them.

    Too bad todays hardware isnt made to last, eventually it will all fizzle out too, forcing 'upgrades'.

    If that ban doesnt happen 100%, i am sure it will be a requirement to get online at the least " for national security ".

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  66. These guys need a rally call... by NeoTheOne · · Score: 1

    REMEMBER THE DIVX!!!!

  67. Error in your dystopia by JCCyC · · Score: 1

    Punishments too light. Expect life jail sentences, extension of liability to family, friends, and unlimited fines, all to be determined by the copyright holders.

    You owe the media companies the Skewes Number of dollars. No, 10^that. No, 10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^that. No, wait...

    Ah, what the hell. They own all possible Universes. Get SETI going, we have fines to collect.

    1. Re:Error in your dystopia by certron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Punishments too light. Expect life jail sentences, extension of liability to family, friends, and unlimited fines, all to be determined by the copyright holders."

      One thing that I found quite interesting when watching it again, in the movie Aliens, the whole thing is a corporate wonderland! 40-odd years ago you forgot to do your maintenance on that one motor-spinny-thing? We'll have to fine you $3,000! The whole military / corporate trial was really scary, and I don't know why I didn't pick up on it the first time I saw it. So this is a little OT, but the arbitrariness of the sentences (and resulting bargaining) may be something we'll see more in the open soon...

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  68. Re:hey look! .. it's amazon & a download butto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Reinventing the wheel is a bad analogy. The wheel worked the first time it was invented and every subsequent time.
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  69. Re:I love automatic programs that bill me. Honest. by Sven+Tuerpe · · Score: 1
    Oh yeah, that sounds like a great idea.

    That's what some people in the music industry think it is. What they imagine is a world where they don't need extensive distribution channels but still get the money.

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  70. OT: correct term was: Re:... thus can be ... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

    Just FYI, the correct term is "inversely proportional" - ie as one quantity increases, the other decreases.

  71. MS Justice 2007 by Box+Checker · · Score: 0
    this post isn't funny, it's a glimpse into the future.

    shit's fucked up!

  72. The only thing it needs... by mwood · · Score: 1

    ...is customers. I suppose there will be some. Me, I figure if it's good enough to rent, it's good enough to own, so I'll continue to buy pieces of dead plastic.

  73. DRM goes against economic principles by Art_Vandelai · · Score: 1

    It adds cost to the provider, and reduces value to the buyer (I'd pay more for non-DRM media than I'd pay for DRM). A lose-lose proposition either way.

  74. After this comes out by Art_Vandelai · · Score: 1

    It looks like what Microsoft, etc. are trying to do are to ensure that no matter where you get the media from, they get their cut. They no longer need to invest in distribution, just let the media market itself through the P2P network like a virus. And for every user that downloads, they get their fee automatically. Definitely makes P2P more legal and viable long-term as a legitimate business, but without the ability to negotiate and enter into a decision to pay knowingly, this would be a nightmare.

  75. Ah, telephones by freeweed · · Score: 1

    you can bring up a suit saying that you didn't download that song, your 7-year-old did, who isn't old enough to participate in the contract, etc..

    Try the same suit with your long distance carrier sometime.

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  76. How do they handle the monopoly aspect by GerardM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Both the RIAA, Microsoft and Verisign have a dominant role in their respective markets. This forum is about providing a infrastructure for digital content.

    There is inherently nothing wrong with that. That is, as long as they define infrastructure that will be universally applicable. So if it only runs on an Microsoft platform it has failed. If it only protects data by companies associated with the RIAA it has failed. If the only security it allows for is the security as provided by Verisign it has failed.

    When content, of a type protected by the mechanisms to be worked out by this committee, become available, the content is the copyright of the issuer of the data and as such it is entitled to the protection offered by the infrastructure. This means that music is secured at the time of publication within the infrastructure. This allows for people to create their own content and do with it as they like and, if at all it is secured, it is secured within the same infrastructure as is the commercial content as published by the organisations associated with the RIAA.

    * Linus Torvalds has said before that the inclusion of DRM is not a problem as far as he is concerned.
    * Music Midi and computers have a long history. It cannot be that the use of computers connencted with music or photo's or video will cease.
    * There is nothing inherently wrong with DRM but it has to be open and it must secure my data as much as the data from a commercial entity.
    * Given the pedegree of the people in this committee THEY have to prove their bona fides. Microsoft is a convicted monopolist and the RIAA wants the law to grant them the right to be a monopolist. They have one good thing going for them; Microsoft is one of the greatest marketing companies ever.

    Thanks,
    Gerard

  77. Ushering the new fucking world of Max Headroom.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome!

  78. TRUSTED COMPUTING ALERT by Alsee · · Score: 1

    CRF defines as "data packages that uniquely identify content and the context in which it will be used". Galuten said that might include information about the consumer's specific environment"

    Trusted Computing securely reports to the media company that you are running on a compliant Trusted Computing system - your "enviornment". The files will not WORK unless you have an approved "enviornment" that will enforce for example a $1 billing process before playign the file. The whole CRF system is a standard format for the Certicificates generated by Trusted Computing.

    That can throw these files onto an ordinary P2P system and they only work in an approved "enviornment" - on a Trusted Computing Compliant system that certifies that you cannot bypass any of the listed DRM rules. Sure, they could use the CRF system with files that work on non-Trusted Computing machines, but what would be the point? You'd be able to just tell your computer to ignore the listed DRM rules. The CRF system is is designed as part of a chain leading down to a TCPA chip on your motherboard. If you have no chip you can't do squat with the file.

    Microsoft is a key player here, the intent is that the new files will work on their new Trusted Computing Operating system Palladium / NGSCB / NEXUS / Lnonghorn / or whatever they change the name to next. The new files may *may* work on a Trusted Computing complianant Mac or Linux, but that would be up to the company releasing the file in the first place. With Window's massive market share dominance media companies may not bother checking and approving the compliance of other OS's. The files might not work on a Mac or Linux even if you DO submit to Trusted Computing.

    More for the same computerweekly story:

    group members found their efforts on the Oasis Rights Language Technical Committee stymied by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), because of what Galuten characterised as Oasis' "difficult" governance rule.

    When asked to comment on the CRF's plans, EFF staff attorney Jason Schultz said the CRF's specifications are the foundation for a digital rights management system, about which the EFF has "deep concerns".

    The Baseline Profile Version 1.0 seems to envision a system where content owners put copyright content in a locked box, then decide who gets to take it out of that box and for what reasons, he added.

    The restrictions on use stipulated by the CRF's Content References may deny access to individuals who wish to use media files for parody or political expression, an exercise of civil liberties guaranteed by the US Constitution, Schultz said.

    Architectures such as those proposed by the CRF may do a good job of representing the rights of content owners, but could have a "chilling effect" on speech and artistic expression by consumers who use that content under "fair use" guidelines that are typically reviewed by a judge, he said.


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  79. Is anyone else up for... by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

    ...renaming DRM-hardware PC's?

    PC = Personal Computer

    Since you won't be in control of your computer any more, there's some mileage in calling them CC's (Corporate Computer) instead. Bleh.

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  80. Thank you. by hany · · Score: 1

    Thank you very much.

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  81. Re:my first lay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was probably like any other fifteen year old when I was growing up, seemingly aways having to fight off a hard-on. Maybe it was hormones, maybe it was because I was still a virgin, but my almost daily jack-off sessions didn't seem to help much. I still wanted to experience the feeling of my dick actually plunging into some beautiful young girl's tight, wet cunt. Hell, she didn't even have to be all that beautiful!

    This feeling was driving me crazy. I HAD to have me a piece of ass soon, or I was simply gonna explode! I just couldn't keep out the thoughts of some young girl's pointed, jiggling tits slipping between my lips while my dick plowed between her moist slit.

    My imagination, summer bikinis, and dad's PENTHOUSEs helped me to fill out my favorite fantasies of what the girls in my classes looked like naked. Those vivid images of beautiful, naked young girls coming into my room looking at my dick with lust, or my plopping them down on a desk right there in school and fucking our brains out seemed to dominate my every waking moment. Hell, even my nights were filled with wet dreams of these nubile young girls offering their naked bodies to me on sight!

    The truth was I had never even seen a live naked girl since I was about seven-years-old playing doctor with a neigbor girl. Even then I didn't know what it was all about, just that my little dick got hard when I touched her bare pussy and that it felt REAL GOOD when she touched my hard dick. 'If only I new then what I know now,' I thought. Furthermore, I was much too shy to even approach a girl my age to ask for a date, much less to ask for a piece of ass or a blowjob.

    I was sitting under a tree fretting about all of this one summer day, when I was startled by the voice of a young neighbor girl who had walked up behind me.

    "What are you doing out here all by yourself?"

    Kathleen Fent was a typical eleven-year-old, her body just beginning to show the first signs of maturing into an hourglass shape, but she still was flat-chested. Her personality had definitely not matured, and I even cosidered her to be quite a brat.

    "Nothing much, just moping around," I told her.

    "What's wrong?" she asked in a soft tone, touching my knee as she sat down beside me on the ground, her small skirt riding up her smooth legs.

    I had never looked at her in a sexual way before, but the combination of my frustration and her uncharacteristic soft-spoken manner caused me to take a second look at her. She was actually a very pretty young girl, with long dark brown hair that flowed down onto her flat, preteen chest. Her innocent dark brown eyes looked deeply into mine as she pondered my troubles, and I began to get an idea on how I might exploit this budding motherly instinct of hers.

    "Well......, it's just that a lot of the other guys my age have dated girls already," I began, "some of them have even had sex."

    I paused to check her reaction. She was still sitting there looking at me intently, her knees pulled up near her chest and her arms draped around them casually leaving her skirt to gape open under her legs. I was sure that anyone passing by would be able to see her panties, but she didn't seem to be aware of her immodest pose.

    "I'm just too shy to ask anyone out, though. I guess I'll never have the guts to either."

    She sat there silently, bending her head down and resting her chin on her knees. She seemed to be in thought as she began to stare blankly at the ground in front of her, possibly wondering about her own lack of boyfriends and whether she too would ever have the experience of having sex one day.

    "Have you ever wondered what it's like to have sex?" I asked her, hoping to guide the situation into a possible encounter.

    She looked at me momentarily to see if I was sincere, or just trying to poke fun at her before answering.

  82. What about the "ransom model"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "ransom model", as I understand it, would require an author to release a small number of chapters of a book, and then somehow demand money/donations from their readers collective for more chapters/the rest of the book.

    Didn't Steven King experiment with this recently?

    GrimRC