It is extremely difficult to talk about this subject logically. One direct consequence of the description of packers is that they cannot understand mapping. Thus, if you and i disagree, i can always claim that you are a packer and just don't get it. This means that the existance of these two different mindsets can't really be proved. However, it clicks with some people and seems very, very *true* to them.
So what you're saying is, there are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. Oh Wait.:-)
My original assertion holds. You should hold that country's patent office responsible for approving patently rediculous patents (but how?). Once it's approved, you can hardly blame someone for enforcing their own patents (morally maybe but not legally). Also, someone else already mentioned that the prior art doctrine does not apply to other countries' patents except the US. I don't know if that is true or not but it sounds like you could be wrong. And finally, I think you will find that I am right that the claims of the patents are what the patent covers despite your assertions that the entire patent system has been turned upside down. Whether or not those claims are overly broad is another matter however. And I don't disagree that the patent system is in need of repair. Finally I would be offended by your final spiteful remark but you're just an anonymous coward. neener neener neener. I don't know if it is possible to have patents revoked if it can be shown the patent office was stupid to approve it. That would be nice in certain situations where they are clearly wrong.
Exactly. That poster did imply that the author found linux easier to install, and if that were so then we rabid linux advocates should break some china or something.
Besides, in the CNN article the author did say (to paraphrase), Linux is too hard to install, I will stick with my warm cuddly Windows.
To which I reply, Windows is easy to install from scratch? Not.
What makes you think this journalist has installed Windows? No one is flaming this journalist. It is true that this kind of story has been overdone. Specifically: Journalist who has not installed any operating system from scratch (upgrading windows is much easier than installing it from scratch, you have to set up a boot disk with the right CDROM drivers, set on config.sys and autoexec.bat and MSCDEX.EXE, run fdisk and format/s your drive, copy the setup files to the hard drive (so you don't have to keep inserting the CD when you detect new devices) and then you get to get all your device drivers installed and get all your resource conflicts straightened out) tries it him/herself and has a challenging time. Their conclusion: Linux is not ready for the masses.
I found the article to be very amusing because of the self deprecating humor. Like the bit about using fdisk.
Or are you upset because Rob said ignorant? That just means they lack knowledge. It's not an insult.
You are the only one who needs to take a few deep breaths.
1. It doesn't make much sense to punish someone for filing a patent, if the patent office has already reviewed and accepted that application.
2. Patents cover specific claims. I don't know how many times I have seen slashdot editors railing against a patent and only discuss the abstract. If someone comes up with a specific method of making aluminum then someone will go off the handle and decry that making aluminum has been patented.
3. I think it is stupid to patent things relating to computers if the same thing is already being done offline.
Hello Tom Christiansen, It's nice to type to you. It's hard to tell exactly what you want. It sounds like the most important thing to you is to have a coherent system that sticks to standards. Given that, you want free software over non-free software. It's not entirely clear if you are against using GPL'd software, or just against FSF for saying it is Free when it really isn't.
I think you have given the most coherent explanation about truely free software I have ever read, and I'm at a loss to produce any apologetics for GPL software that doesn't have holes in it regarding Freedom. It's basically made to make sure that people have the right to redistribute the software and any modifications to it, at the expense of the freedom of companies to make proprietary versions of that software.
That seems like less freedom if you are already with the BSD condition. But as someone who has put up with shareware that stops working after a certain amount of time or has artificial shortcomings in the free [beer] versions, free [beer] software that "cannot be used for commercial purposes." As someone who has to decide between downloading a warez copy of DVD software or pay $50 to get the software to use my own (!) hardware, because the manufacturers are in a conspiracy to keep that technology locked up. As someone who has been forced by Microsoft to install Internet Explorer and therefore MSN just to run Visual Studio (which I chose to pay for).... a world where the hood isn't welded shut on my software is a beautiful dream. So that even if I don't want to modify the software, someone else may make the software I will find useful. I don't see how the BSD license would be efficacious in making those proprietary problems go away... because sometimes the best software is written by proprietary companies, who if they do not release Free software, have the final word on whether you can learn the internal working of the hardware it drives, if it will change all your preferences, if it will install itself everywhere but you don't know where, if it will create a world where software sucks. That is: the current state of running Windows on my computer.
Your best example against called GPL "free" is that just calling an API means your software must be GPL. What about the LGPL? You can create non-GPL software (anything from giftware to fully proprietary) that links to LGPL libraries!
Commercial copyrighted software with a standard EULA is viral too. If you include any of it in any copies against the EULA (like making a copy on another computer or using some of its code in your program) makes you a "pirate." Isn't that kind of software the greater evil?
Is there any way free/GNU/and open source people can work together?
Hexadecimal means 16. Hex = 6. Dec = 10. Hexadec = 6 + 10 = 16. Base 16. 16 is 2^4. Thus one hexadecimal digit is 4 bits. Two hexadecimal digits = 1 byte. Some people (like me) call it "hex" for short, which only confused the matter. chmod normally takes its values in octal (base 8, or 2^3) to set each of three groups of three bits. To set read (4) + write (2) bits (110 in binary, base 2) for owner, group, and world, you use chmod 666 filename. So if you do it in hex[adecimal] it is 0xwhatever to avoid 666. 0x isn't part of the number but in some contexts (C programming language) it means the number is in hex[adecimal]. Octal uses only the numbers 0-7, and hexadecimal uses 0-F. (using A-F as digits equal to 10 through 15).
I noticed that about the license not being GPL. However they said that any new software would be covered by a BSD style license requiring quoting John 3:16. (Just like corel). I haven't seen anything on that page that would make it be a hoax. Whether or not they actually get around to implementing this thing is a different question however. Everything they mention is completely doable. Notice that renaming system calls/commands is something they are thinking about doing at a later date, and merely deprecating the abort, kill, etc. commands with symbolic links, etc. Maybe I should make a discordian distribution... I would have to base it on Slackware though, considering it starts with Slack.
If this is based on those Shadow Syndrome writings then there has been some criticism that they are making the definition of autism overly broad and possibly detracting from attention on actualy autism. At least that's what I gather from the article (towards the bottom).
I would just like to point out that this is just Apologetics. Of course the Church is going to try to tell a different spin about what happened. You seem to be advancing a might makes right. Maybe G.G. had some things wrong. No scientific theory comes fully formed from the head of a scientist. Since when is punishment an accepted element of the scientific process? I'm not into bashing Catholics. I know they get their unfair share. I used to be Catholic myself. (Now I'm an Atheist.) I've read a lot of Apologetics (e.g. www.catholic.com) and this is just more of the same kind of stuff.
If anyone could show that Wizards of the Coast was involved in the after market on their cards, then they'd have a case. (Has anyone looked into those beanie babies?) WotC prints different cards at different frequencies, but as they say, every card is $0.20 or whatever it costs to print, to them. What people do to buy and sell them later is a natural part of the market.
I provided the definitions to refute the person who said they were using the wrong word.
My response was to the AC who said that the state (Virginia in this case) was using the wrong word.
My posts, with the definitions, was that "stuff" is capital, true, but it also can mean the primary location of something (see the definitions). He was saying, shouldn't that be capitol? My post also showed that he was wrong about that, and that capitol means the building or group of buildings of government (like the temple in the etymology). Thus vindicating capital for Virginia. But then they made it c@pital so maybe it's not right after all. It's 31337.:-)
I realize you must have been confusing the posts and combining them in the mind, but something about the way you bolded the word "you" made me defend my honor.:-)
What is the point of hiding your SSN? No one can really do anything bad to you if you have it. I know Bill Gates' SSN (it's in the public record with the SEC).
"Internet Capital"? Like "Internet Money"? Perhaps they mean "Internet C@pitol" instead? Sheesh! Can't the State even spell?
Very interesting etymology on capitol vs. capital...
Main Entry: capitol Etymology: Latin Capitolium, temple of Jupiter at Rome on the Capitoline hill 1 a : a building in which a state legislative body meets b : a group of buildings in which the functions of state government are carried out 2/capitalized/ : the building in which the U.S. Congress meets at Washington
3capital Etymology: French or Italian; French, from Italian capitale, from capitale, adjective, chief, principal, from Latin capitalis
1 a (1) : a stock of accumulated goods especially at a specified time and in contrast to income received during a specified period; also : the value of these accumulated goods (2) : accumulated goods devoted to the production of other goods (3) : accumulated possessions calculated to bring in income
3 [2capital] a : a city serving as a seat of government b : a city preeminent in some special activity "the fashion capital"
Very interesting quote. It makes me wonder when/if certain programming groups should incorporate, because even if the GPL states that there is NO WARRANTY, if you DO get sued, all your assets would be up for grabs. A limited liability corporation would give you just that. Limited liability.
I can't help but wonder why the investigators, when asked about the martyr myth would only say, off the record, that it was a touchy subject because of all the attention. Once again we are tip toeing around anything that might make a religious person upset. "No we didn't find any evidence that they were singling out religious people, and the religious community is using this as a platform to advance their agenda in the public schools." The investigators were adamant to point out that they were not racist (even though they said 'nigger'), gay (not that there's anything wrong with that), goth, specifically anti-jock, etc. I don't buy the martyr story. If it's not open for discussion then it's not open for reason/logic.
As has been pointed out, AOL was in on the You've Got Mail business. Interesting note: At the end of the credits for the movie "American Pie" it says American Pie is a trademark of Don McLean.
(BTW, I have trademarked "Baseball" and "Mother.")
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It is extremely difficult to talk about this subject logically. One direct consequence of the description of packers is that they cannot understand mapping. Thus, if you and i disagree, i can always claim that you are a packer and just don't get it. This means that the existance of these two different mindsets can't really be proved. However, it clicks with some people and seems very, very *true* to them.
:-)
So what you're saying is, there are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of people in the world and those who don't. Oh Wait.
My original assertion holds. You should hold that country's patent office responsible for approving patently rediculous patents (but how?). Once it's approved, you can hardly blame someone for enforcing their own patents (morally maybe but not legally). Also, someone else already mentioned that the prior art doctrine does not apply to other countries' patents except the US. I don't know if that is true or not but it sounds like you could be wrong. And finally, I think you will find that I am right that the claims of the patents are what the patent covers despite your assertions that the entire patent system has been turned upside down. Whether or not those claims are overly broad is another matter however. And I don't disagree that the patent system is in need of repair. Finally I would be offended by your final spiteful remark but you're just an anonymous coward. neener neener neener. I don't know if it is possible to have patents revoked if it can be shown the patent office was stupid to approve it. That would be nice in certain situations where they are clearly wrong.
Exactly. That poster did imply that the author found linux easier to install, and if that were so then we rabid linux advocates should break some china or something.
Besides, in the CNN article the author did say (to paraphrase), Linux is too hard to install, I will stick with my warm cuddly Windows.
To which I reply, Windows is easy to install from scratch? Not.
What makes you think this journalist has installed Windows? No one is flaming this journalist. It is true that this kind of story has been overdone. Specifically: Journalist who has not installed any operating system from scratch (upgrading windows is much easier than installing it from scratch, you have to set up a boot disk with the right CDROM drivers, set on config.sys and autoexec.bat and MSCDEX.EXE, run fdisk and format /s your drive, copy the setup files to the hard drive (so you don't have to keep inserting the CD when you detect new devices) and then you get to get all your device drivers installed and get all your resource conflicts straightened out) tries it him/herself and has a challenging time. Their conclusion: Linux is not ready for the masses.
I found the article to be very amusing because of the self deprecating humor. Like the bit about using fdisk.
Or are you upset because Rob said ignorant? That just means they lack knowledge. It's not an insult.
You are the only one who needs to take a few deep breaths.
1. It doesn't make much sense to punish someone for filing a patent, if the patent office has already reviewed and accepted that application.
2. Patents cover specific claims. I don't know how many times I have seen slashdot editors railing against a patent and only discuss the abstract. If someone comes up with a specific method of making aluminum then someone will go off the handle and decry that making aluminum has been patented.
3. I think it is stupid to patent things relating to computers if the same thing is already being done offline.
Hello Tom Christiansen,
... a world where the hood isn't welded shut on my software is a beautiful dream. So that even if I don't want to modify the software, someone else may make the software I will find useful. I don't see how the BSD license would be efficacious in making those proprietary problems go away... because sometimes the best software is written by proprietary companies, who if they do not release Free software, have the final word on whether you can learn the internal working of the hardware it drives, if it will change all your preferences, if it will install itself everywhere but you don't know where, if it will create a world where software sucks. That is: the current state of running Windows on my computer.
It's nice to type to you. It's hard to tell exactly what you want. It sounds like the most important thing to you is to have a coherent system that sticks to standards. Given that, you want free software over non-free software. It's not entirely clear if you are against using GPL'd software, or just against FSF for saying it is Free when it really isn't.
I think you have given the most coherent explanation about truely free software I have ever read, and I'm at a loss to produce any apologetics for GPL software that doesn't have holes in it regarding Freedom. It's basically made to make sure that people have the right to redistribute the software and any modifications to it, at the expense of the freedom of companies to make proprietary versions of that software.
That seems like less freedom if you are already with the BSD condition. But as someone who has put up with shareware that stops working after a certain amount of time or has artificial shortcomings in the free [beer] versions, free [beer] software that "cannot be used for commercial purposes." As someone who has to decide between downloading a warez copy of DVD software or pay $50 to get the software to use my own (!) hardware, because the manufacturers are in a conspiracy to keep that technology locked up. As someone who has been forced by Microsoft to install Internet Explorer and therefore MSN just to run Visual Studio (which I chose to pay for).
Your best example against called GPL "free" is that just calling an API means your software must be GPL. What about the LGPL? You can create non-GPL software (anything from giftware to fully proprietary) that links to LGPL libraries!
Commercial copyrighted software with a standard EULA is viral too. If you include any of it in any copies against the EULA (like making a copy on another computer or using some of its code in your program) makes you a "pirate." Isn't that kind of software the greater evil?
Is there any way free/GNU/and open source people can work together?
(I hope that was readable.)
Hexadecimal means 16. Hex = 6. Dec = 10.
Hexadec = 6 + 10 = 16. Base 16. 16 is 2^4. Thus one hexadecimal digit is 4 bits. Two hexadecimal digits = 1 byte. Some people (like me) call it "hex" for short, which only confused the matter. chmod normally takes its values in octal (base 8, or 2^3) to set each of three groups of three bits. To set read (4) + write (2) bits (110 in binary, base 2) for owner, group, and world, you use chmod 666 filename. So if you do it in hex[adecimal] it is 0xwhatever to avoid 666. 0x isn't part of the number but in some contexts (C programming language) it means the number is in hex[adecimal].
Octal uses only the numbers 0-7, and hexadecimal uses 0-F. (using A-F as digits equal to 10 through 15).
... All files chmod 666...
I noticed that about the license not being GPL. However they said that any new software would be covered by a BSD style license requiring quoting John 3:16. (Just like corel). I haven't seen anything on that page that would make it be a hoax. Whether or not they actually get around to implementing this thing is a different question however. Everything they mention is completely doable. Notice that renaming system calls/commands is something they are thinking about doing at a later date, and merely deprecating the abort, kill, etc. commands with symbolic links, etc. Maybe I should make a discordian distribution... I would have to base it on Slackware though, considering it starts with Slack.
If this is based on those Shadow Syndrome writings then there has been some criticism that they are making the definition of autism overly broad and possibly detracting from attention on actualy autism.
At least that's what I gather from the article (towards the bottom).
This was posted on slashdot 14 days ago...
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I would just like to point out that this is just Apologetics. Of course the Church is going to try to tell a different spin about what happened. You seem to be advancing a might makes right. Maybe G.G. had some things wrong. No scientific theory comes fully formed from the head of a scientist. Since when is punishment an accepted element of the scientific process?
I'm not into bashing Catholics. I know they get their unfair share. I used to be Catholic myself. (Now I'm an Atheist.) I've read a lot of Apologetics (e.g. www.catholic.com) and this is just more of the same kind of stuff.
One word: Kludge.
If anyone could show that Wizards of the Coast was involved in the after market on their cards, then they'd have a case. (Has anyone looked into those beanie babies?) WotC prints different cards at different frequencies, but as they say, every card is $0.20 or whatever it costs to print, to them. What people do to buy and sell them later is a natural part of the market.
Are you stupid? I never said any such thing.
:-)
:-)
I provided the definitions to refute the person who said they were using the wrong word.
My response was to the AC who said that the state (Virginia in this case) was using the wrong word.
My posts, with the definitions, was that "stuff" is capital, true, but it also can mean the primary location of something (see the definitions). He was saying, shouldn't that be capitol? My post also showed that he was wrong about that, and that capitol means the building or group of buildings of government (like the temple in the etymology). Thus vindicating capital for Virginia. But then they made it c@pital so maybe it's not right after all. It's 31337.
I realize you must have been confusing the posts and combining them in the mind, but something about the way you bolded the word "you" made me defend my honor.
It would be easier to read with a barcode reader, such as this sc anner enabled Palm pilot!
What is the point of hiding your SSN? No one can really do anything bad to you if you have it. I know Bill Gates' SSN (it's in the public record with the SEC).
"Internet Capital"? Like "Internet Money"? Perhaps they mean "Internet C@pitol" instead? Sheesh! Can't the State even spell?
/capitalized/ : the building in which the U.S. Congress meets at Washington
Very interesting etymology on capitol vs. capital...
Main Entry: capitol
Etymology: Latin Capitolium, temple of Jupiter at Rome on the Capitoline hill
1 a : a building in which a state legislative body meets b : a group of buildings in which the functions of state government are carried out
2
3capital
Etymology: French or Italian; French, from Italian capitale, from capitale, adjective, chief, principal, from Latin capitalis
1 a (1) : a stock of accumulated goods especially at a specified time and in contrast to income received during a specified period; also : the value of these accumulated goods (2) : accumulated goods devoted to the production of other goods (3) : accumulated possessions calculated to bring in income
3 [2capital] a : a city serving as a seat of government b : a city preeminent in some special activity "the fashion capital"
the use of simple, separate, config files is that they can be moved, edited, built using simple sh, grep, awk, cat, vi, etc. commands.
Very interesting quote. It makes me wonder when/if certain programming groups should incorporate, because even if the GPL states that there is NO WARRANTY, if you DO get sued, all your assets would be up for grabs. A limited liability corporation would give you just that. Limited liability.
Well... I doubt they are going to release WordPerfect under GPL. :-)
You make it sound as if anyone cares what people post on some web site.
XFree86 is not GPL'd. And the beta excuse is a red herring. (penguins like herring).
Glad to see Corel has come around (as if there was any doubt.)
I can't help but wonder why the investigators, when asked about the martyr myth would only say, off the record, that it was a touchy subject because of all the attention. Once again we are tip toeing around anything that might make a religious person upset. "No we didn't find any evidence that they were singling out religious people, and the religious community is using this as a platform to advance their agenda in the public schools."
The investigators were adamant to point out that they were not racist (even though they said 'nigger'), gay (not that there's anything wrong with that), goth, specifically anti-jock, etc.
I don't buy the martyr story. If it's not open for discussion then it's not open for reason/logic.
Think Different[ly].
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As has been pointed out, AOL was in on the You've Got Mail business. Interesting note: At the end of the credits for the movie "American Pie" it says American Pie is a trademark of Don McLean.
(BTW, I have trademarked "Baseball" and "Mother.")