But chip and pin is going to put an end to all that. No really, it's absulutely foolproof and unbreakable. (Actually, it's far better that what happens now. 1/2 the time you get your card back before you have finished signing the slip).
The government launched a consultation exercise in autumn 2002, originally planned to end in December 2002. Sometime in November, Beverly Hughes, the then Immigration Minister, stated in Parliament that they had received about 2000 responses, overwhelmingly in favour of a card.
Stand.org.uk issued a wakeup call. They basically said "If you have an opinion on this, please tell the government." They put up a form with a free text area which would forward the response to the correct Home Office email address. It wasn't a 'click here to register a no vote' form, just a way for people to communicate their views to the Home Office.
The consultation was extended to February 2003 (can't remember why), and closed on the 28th of that month. On 28th April, Beverly Hughes stated in a parliamentary answer that the government had received about 2000 responses with a majority of 2:1 in favour. Stand had counted over 5000 responses (note they did not know what proportion were in favour as they weren't tabulating answers, but they did know that over 5000 messages had passed through their form).
I wrote to my MP to ask where the discrepancy came from, and to seek assurance that my vote had been counted. The Home Office response was that Stand had in effect coordinated 5000 no votes, and they would be counted as one vote coming from one organisation. That is untrue. I have no affiliation with stand other than sharing a concern about my rights, and since stand isn't a membership organisation the same is true of all the other respondees. Funnily enough, they also reassured me thay my particular opinion had been counted. So much for consistency.
There has been little public debate on ID cards. The draft bill was announced (leaked?) on a Friday . This is being steamrollered through, regardless of what the population think.
(It's far too nice to stay in this afternoon. I'll check back later for any response. Ithought you might be trolling as AC, that's why I wanted you to log in).
It wasn't a survey done on the internet, it was a survey done by the government. Stand just made it easier to respond and openly check on the number of responses.
Please log in if you want this discussion to continue, Mr AC.
It wasn't a survey conducted by Stand, it was the government's own consultation exercise. Stand did not trust the government to count responses properly, so they asked people to forward their view via the website. It turns out they were correct, the government altered the numbers.
Blunkett's consultation showed almost 80% against the idea of a compulsory ID card. The Home Office just disregarded 5000 opinions forwarded through stand.org.uk, and stated that 66% were in favour.
Good public support? What question was asked of the 80% who were in favour?
Last year, the UK government undertook a public consultation into the exercise. Stand.org.uk did not trust them to honestly report negative views, so they set up a form for people to contact the government, and Stand kept a record of the responses. Well, the government did lie about the response, here is an extract of a fax I sent to my MP last year:
According to Hansard, on 28th of April, in an answer to Mr Paul Marsden, Beverley Hughes MP, Minister for Immigration, stated that the Government had received 2000 responses to their consultation exercise, with a majority of 2:1 in favour of a universal Entitlement Card.
The privacy advocation organisation, stand.org.uk, forwarded over 5000 responses to the home office, including my own response.
The reply to that letter stated that Stand are a campaigning organisation, and that all opinions delivered via their website were counted as *one* negative vote. This government are going to push through ID cards whatever public opinion says.
I hope there is widespread civil disobedience over this. If they think introducing universal biometric ID is going to cost a great deal of money, they haven't counted on tens of thousands of us doing whatever we can to make the process as difficult as possible.
Being a grow-op electrician sounds good, until you realize that after the first job of the day, you get handed a smoke by a very grateful grower. That's your morning ended, you aren't fitting any more lights for a good two or three hours. You would make more money putting the lids on tubes of toothpaste:-)
It sounds like poor people in poor areas would be better off with hard coded numbers, which presumably reflect some minimum wage required for survival in an 'average' city. Not that I think you're wrong, but if I was poor and living in a cheap area I might disagree.
The only way to make real cash is to work for yourself (except for the relatively few senior execs and techs). I imagine a self-employed plumber or electrician does very nicely.
I have worked as a pipe fitter's mate, a long time ago. I remember watching the construction guys laying block paving at high speed, from 8am - 8pm. Then they would hit the pub and get wrecked every night. They made good money, but they seemed to piss most of it away on booze. Being a fitter's mate was fun though. Some heavy lifting, but more measuring, cutting, bending and threading.
My father-in-law is an old school blue collar worker, on the production line at Ford (now Jaguar) in the UK. At a very rough estimate he probably pulls $40k per year, including shift allowances and bonuses, including regular night shifts.
Two things strike me about his job. First, those kinds of jobs are getting more and more rare these days. People born in the 1940s and 50s had it good. The second thing is, he has done that job for over 20 years. I would not have stood it that long, even on such good money. He gets paid partly for his company specific skills, but I guess mainly because the job is so crap, why else would you do it?
Using UNC paths is exactly what I do, but it was annoying when it first happened. To be honest, the 'run as...' function is what makes administering them bearable.
You tend to be more forgiving of a system that offers you a stake in itself, even if that stake is limited to helping others and the odd bug report.
I'm unforgiving of Windows because it is produced by a large corporation making megabucks, and they still havent ironed out some of the annoying misfeatures. Not to mention Office product activation only working for administrator. Bah.
It doesn't always work though. If you are accessing files through a mapped network drive letter, a program run as administrator won't see the virtual drive.
It doesn't work as well as 'su -c xxx', I wish it did.
Halogen headlights certainly feel hot if you put your hand just in front of them. The brighter light is absorbed by the skin, heating it up, or maybe those bulbs are throwing out more infra-red along with the extra white light.
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But chip and pin is going to put an end to all that. No really, it's absulutely foolproof and unbreakable. (Actually, it's far better that what happens now. 1/2 the time you get your card back before you have finished signing the slip).
The government launched a consultation exercise in autumn 2002, originally planned to end in December 2002. Sometime in November, Beverly Hughes, the then Immigration Minister, stated in Parliament that they had received about 2000 responses, overwhelmingly in favour of a card.
Stand.org.uk issued a wakeup call. They basically said "If you have an opinion on this, please tell the government." They put up a form with a free text area which would forward the response to the correct Home Office email address. It wasn't a 'click here to register a no vote' form, just a way for people to communicate their views to the Home Office.
The consultation was extended to February 2003 (can't remember why), and closed on the 28th of that month. On 28th April, Beverly Hughes stated in a parliamentary answer that the government had received about 2000 responses with a majority of 2:1 in favour. Stand had counted over 5000 responses (note they did not know what proportion were in favour as they weren't tabulating answers, but they did know that over 5000 messages had passed through their form).
I wrote to my MP to ask where the discrepancy came from, and to seek assurance that my vote had been counted. The Home Office response was that Stand had in effect coordinated 5000 no votes, and they would be counted as one vote coming from one organisation. That is untrue. I have no affiliation with stand other than sharing a concern about my rights, and since stand isn't a membership organisation the same is true of all the other respondees. Funnily enough, they also reassured me thay my particular opinion had been counted. So much for consistency.
There has been little public debate on ID cards. The draft bill was announced (leaked?) on a Friday . This is being steamrollered through, regardless of what the population think.
(It's far too nice to stay in this afternoon. I'll check back later for any response. Ithought you might be trolling as AC, that's why I wanted you to log in).
Cheers.
It wasn't a survey done on the internet, it was a survey done by the government. Stand just made it easier to respond and openly check on the number of responses.
Please log in if you want this discussion to continue, Mr AC.
It wasn't a survey conducted by Stand, it was the government's own consultation exercise. Stand did not trust the government to count responses properly, so they asked people to forward their view via the website. It turns out they were correct, the government altered the numbers.
Blunkett's consultation showed almost 80% against the idea of a compulsory ID card. The Home Office just disregarded 5000 opinions forwarded through stand.org.uk, and stated that 66% were in favour.
Good public support? What question was asked of the 80% who were in favour?
Last year, the UK government undertook a public consultation into the exercise. Stand.org.uk did not trust them to honestly report negative views, so they set up a form for people to contact the government, and Stand kept a record of the responses. Well, the government did lie about the response, here is an extract of a fax I sent to my MP last year:
According to Hansard, on 28th of April, in an answer to Mr Paul Marsden, Beverley Hughes MP, Minister for Immigration, stated that the Government had received 2000 responses to their consultation exercise, with a majority of 2:1 in favour of a universal Entitlement Card.
The privacy advocation organisation, stand.org.uk, forwarded over 5000 responses to the home office, including my own response.
The reply to that letter stated that Stand are a campaigning organisation, and that all opinions delivered via their website were counted as *one* negative vote. This government are going to push through ID cards whatever public opinion says.
I hope there is widespread civil disobedience over this. If they think introducing universal biometric ID is going to cost a great deal of money, they haven't counted on tens of thousands of us doing whatever we can to make the process as difficult as possible.
Being a grow-op electrician sounds good, until you realize that after the first job of the day, you get handed a smoke by a very grateful grower. That's your morning ended, you aren't fitting any more lights for a good two or three hours. You would make more money putting the lids on tubes of toothpaste :-)
It sounds like poor people in poor areas would be better off with hard coded numbers, which presumably reflect some minimum wage required for survival in an 'average' city. Not that I think you're wrong, but if I was poor and living in a cheap area I might disagree.
The only way to make real cash is to work for yourself (except for the relatively few senior execs and techs). I imagine a self-employed plumber or electrician does very nicely.
I have worked as a pipe fitter's mate, a long time ago. I remember watching the construction guys laying block paving at high speed, from 8am - 8pm. Then they would hit the pub and get wrecked every night. They made good money, but they seemed to piss most of it away on booze. Being a fitter's mate was fun though. Some heavy lifting, but more measuring, cutting, bending and threading.
My father-in-law is an old school blue collar worker, on the production line at Ford (now Jaguar) in the UK. At a very rough estimate he probably pulls $40k per year, including shift allowances and bonuses, including regular night shifts.
Two things strike me about his job. First, those kinds of jobs are getting more and more rare these days. People born in the 1940s and 50s had it good. The second thing is, he has done that job for over 20 years. I would not have stood it that long, even on such good money. He gets paid partly for his company specific skills, but I guess mainly because the job is so crap, why else would you do it?
Don't worry about it mate, it's not every day you get flamed by Jesus.
Using UNC paths is exactly what I do, but it was annoying when it first happened. To be honest, the 'run as...' function is what makes administering them bearable.
You tend to be more forgiving of a system that offers you a stake in itself, even if that stake is limited to helping others and the odd bug report.
I'm unforgiving of Windows because it is produced by a large corporation making megabucks, and they still havent ironed out some of the annoying misfeatures. Not to mention Office product activation only working for administrator. Bah.
Maybe he meant that OS-X users have not suffered a widespread outbreak so far. Or maybe he didn't mean that at all :-)
It doesn't always work though. If you are accessing files through a mapped network drive letter, a program run as administrator won't see the virtual drive.
It doesn't work as well as 'su -c xxx', I wish it did.
Scientific people can get very attached to their ideas. There's nothing so bitchy as two academics in strong disagreement.
Streaming server licence fees.
Instant response from the site right now.
Just as you can bear arms, but not in a bank, so you can bare arms, but not in a tank top :)
That page says "stuffed peppers, 15 minutes". I'd suggest it's their image server that's stuffed, not the peppers.
Halogen headlights certainly feel hot if you put your hand just in front of them. The brighter light is absorbed by the skin, heating it up, or maybe those bulbs are throwing out more infra-red along with the extra white light.
Tank tops? No civilised country would mandate the wearing of tank tops.
Are they paying you for the completed job, or do you at least make some more cash whenever a snag crops up?
One major contribution from Manchester was the development of the world's first standard screw thread, invented by Joseph Whitworth
I'm always reminded about that when walking down Whitworth Street, central Manchester.
Yikes, are you on a satellite link up there or stuck with 56k dialup?