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Major UK Comms Backbone Bunker Burned Out
evilandi writes "The BBC are reporting that much of Manchester, England is without telephone service following a fire in a major underground tunnel system. The site in question is strongly suspected to be the 'Guardian' nuclear communications bunker system which is one of the main three UK subterranean communications backbone bunkers. The giveaway is this regional BBC news story which mentions Chapel Street, one of the very few entrance/exit points to the 'Guardian' system. If confirmed, Manchester could be without wired communications for some time. The MANAP Manchester Network Access Point regional Internet hub is officially reporting nothing, but a number of UK admins are seeing significant disruption."
First verizon knocks out e911 service in NYC, now a backbone goes out in the UK, you'd think it wasn't a coincidence
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I wonder how british Amatuer Radio is doing.
About ten years ago we had a fire in an electrical cage under the computer room. Large stacks of cable had been laying about in the cage, where some brilliant person decided to pile several boxes of paper, too. Sparks from construction work smoldered in the paper and, despite the cable insullation being fire resistant, with enough heat it burns like petrol. Black soot settled everywhere, as smoke went into the ventillation system and all but one workstation were out (somehow the powermains and one line failed to short out) We were in during the weekend and laid enough cable to bring up basic services by the following Monday, but inhaled unknown quantities of asbestos and compounds released from the burnt plastic and rubber.
In the end the failure of fire alarms was blamed on the fire, too, but the firemarshall found the wires for it (which are supposed to survive fire) had been disconnected for years.
It'll be interesting to see how this all came about.
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I live in the area and have heard nothing. My phones and internet work just fine.
It's not too much of a worry. There's only about 6 people in manchester with telephones. They only just got fire you know
Cold-War History in Manchester
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Cold-War History in Manchester
The Guardian Underground Telephone Exchange
Ever since I moved to Manchester in 1986 I've heard rumours about secret underground installations under the city centre. I particularly remember being told on several occasions about a secret nuclear bunker under Piccadilly Gardens. I have since found out that there is some truth behind these rumours. This web site reports my findings.
Warning
The Guardian Underground Telephone Exchange is NOT open to the public. Attempting to gain unauthorised access is trespass. Often it is very dangerous too: on more than one occasion people have died in the process of trying to gain access to such sites.
If you attempt to enter a defence related site, even an apparently unused one, you should expect an unpleasant encounter with military police.
Please do not pester site owners to gain access, this causes irritation to many of them.
Instead, please join one of the specialist societies that can organise visits properly.
Most of what I found out came from the excellent and highly recommended book:
War Plan UK: The Secret Truth about Britain's "Civil Defence"
by [http://www.gn.apc.org/duncan/]Duncan Campbell
Published by Paladin Books in 1983
(Unfortunately it is now out of print)
This book includes a map and description of the Guardian Underground Telephone Exchange and deep level tunnel system in Manchester. Duncan Campbell has kindly given me permission to reproduce this information here:
I have had to remove the map at the request of the Geographers' A-Z Map Co Ltd.
Manchester Guardian is an underground telephone exchange in the centre of Manchester built in 1954. It is 112 feet (34m) below ground and cost 4 million to construct. The main tunnel, one thousand feet long and twenty-five feet wide (300m by 7m), lies below buildings in Back George Street, linking up to an anonymous and unmarked surface building containing the entrance lifts and ventilator shafts. There are also access shafts in the Rutherford telephone exchange in George Street.
Its purpose was to resist a Hiroshima sized twenty-kiloton atom bomb, and preserve essential communications links even if the centre of Manchester had been flattened.
A deep level tunnel system runs east and west from Guardian. A mile-long (1.3km) tunnel runs west to Salford, and a thousand-yard (700m) tunnel runs to Lockton Close in Ardwick, where a modernised ventilator building marks the south-eastern extension of the Manchester deep level tunnels.
In the event of an attack warning, Guardian's main entry shaft was to have been sealed by a thirty-five-ton concrete slab that could be positioned over the entrance. Staff could escape either by using built-in hydraulic jacks to lift the slab (if covered with debris) some weeks after attack, or via the deep level tunnels to Ardwick and Salford. Emergency stores contained six weeks' supply of food rations, and Guardian had its own artesian well, generators, fuel tanks, and artificial windows and scenery painted onto rest-room walls.
The exchange was to survive even if the city it served was destroyed.
The Manchester Guardian telephone exchange and deep level tunnels were one of several such systems built in the 50s. Similar installations can be found under London (Kingsway) and [http://www.birminghamanchor.co.uk/]Birmingham (Anchor).
By the time the exchange and tunnels were complete they were entirely vulnerable to more powerful Soviet H-bombs.
I decided to try to locate and photograph the shafts and surface buildings described in "War Plan UK". To my surprise I found the surface buildings still intact, although they seemed to be in a bad state of repair. Their existence is still not common knowledge in Manchester.
I wonder how much is left of the underground installations.
Ard
WAIT! You're saying that people there might have to communicate in person for a bit? How terrible!
"while AOL said its customers in the area, who are connected to the BT network, would also experience problems."
...and they were so close to figuring out how to use internet...
does this mean none of those, "i use pounds, you insensitive clod" / "i have members of parliament, you insensitive clod" / "(insert something british here), you insensitive clod" posts today?
just kidding--i love you guys. hope this gets fixed soon!
At least, I got a message from worldpay earlier this afternoon that their server were being affected, but I've not noticed anything myself. Most of the UK's internet traffic goes through LInX anyway, which is pretty damn secure, so I'd be surprised to see any real IP issues, even if BT are in a bit of a pickle ...
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Manchester has a population comfortably in excess of 1 Million people and a large buisness centre. 100K dead telephones represents only a small but significant amount of the city.
you'd think it wasn't a coincidence
The government(s) want you to believe that it is merely a coincidence. Coincidentally, I'm currently offering virtual tinfoil hats at a 20% discount. Therein lies the difference between a fortunate and unfortunate coincidence!
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"People experiencing problems with their telephones were also asked not to report the fault."
Too bad they told them to wait. I can see it now, thousands of people screaming in the general direction of the phone company's office. A modern day, less funny, Monty Python sketch waiting to happen.I was almost to beating the internet! The last boss is a pain in the rear!
I almost beat him and BLAMMO the connection dies! ARG!!!
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I was under the impression that many of these tunnels were filled with inert gasses, such as SF6 to prevent this exact sort of problem. I assume its very hard to keep an old tunnel air tight, but I would expect it would be a higher priority to keep at the major backbones air free.. is this practice not as common as I thought?
'Cause we all know they don't have backbones.
It's interesting, and not surprising, to see a Duncan Campbell byline on the research. Duncan became well-known in the mid-90s for doing the journalistic work to publicize the NSA's Echelon wiretapping-the-world system. http://www.gn.apc.org/duncan/ has some older articles of his.
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bollocks! northern england? isn't that where Billy Elliot was filmed? if ya lived in london, you could use your MOH-BILE! blimey!
I must ask - WHERE IS THE REDUNDANCY. Everyone with any sense knows you do not have a critical hub like that without having geographically seperate backup.
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This tunnel was described on our regional BBC tv news as a 'secret conduit between Manchester and Salford built during the cold war to safeguard communications'. I quote roughly. They also mentioned that it was 40 metres down.
All this was accompanied by some very Dr Strangelove images of corrugated tunnels and antiquated switchgear, a smooth man from British Telecom (who seemed very calm for someone whose secret underground nuclear bunker was on fire) and the sad beeping of disconnected call centre workers trying to close deals with each other.
BT and vodaphone are down, Sporadic towns as far out as chapel-en-le-frith are out, internet is out, 50 firemen were in the tunnel at one point, and I think a 6kv line was involved. Fortunately my Aunt lives far enough out to still have a phone :D
I am one of many. My idea is not unique, nor do I expect my voice alone to sway you. I speak in a chorus of opinion.
This morning I got I text message from my boss about the problem and left for work after seeing that my own home ADSL connection was ok. I arrived at work to find that we had no phones (other than mobiles) and the our leased line was dead. We got phones back around 1pm but the leased line was still AWOL when I left work at around 6pm.
I visited the site of the fire (well, the ground above the site!) at lunch time, and the streets were still full of fire engines and other emergency services.
I'm told by our ISP that they are unsure of the extent of the damage but hope to get things back by tomorrow. I left a cronjob running that should mail me here every hour and so far I've heard nothing from it, so I suspect tomorrow will be spent getting colocated facilities activated.
While it's probably premature to guess on how long it would take to "fix" the problem(i.e. make it so most people can use their land-lines again), do any one of our amateur POTS jockies want to take a shot at this? I don't know very much about the UK phone network, so I'm curious as to just how catastrophic this is.
Earlier, in the absense of adequate infrastructure, people used to depend on local resources - the water table (borewells/rain) for water, small local power stations/generators for electricity, and ofcourse local businesses for banking, etc.
With the coming of the phone system and internet, we work from home, depend on phone services for emergency help, bank with businesses across the country/world, and depend on long distance communications for the most basic needs like water/electricity.
True, these advances in technology offer a large number of benefits and conveniences, but overabundance on them can cause widespread problems due to a failure of a small part of the communication system.
A problem with the electricity grid causes 1/4th of the nation to shut down, people take phone services for granted in order to provide/receive emergency assistance, and there are no adequate backup measures in place.
The internet is a pretty resilient beast, but the rest of the infrastructure (telephone, electricity, water pipes (very few apartments/houses have water storage) is pretty fault-intolerant and prone to massive-widespread failure (not necessarily to the problem with the system itself - in this case a fire). The 911 problem in NYC, this fire in the UK, and ofcourse underline the fact that we either need to have an adequately fault resistant infrastructure in place, or stop overdepending on it for critical services.
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Cold-War History in Manchester
The Guardian Underground Telephone Exchange
REPLY TO THE SITE FROM BT MANCHESTER
For general info having scanned through your site:
1. The exchange is still used as a secure cable route -avoids digging up the city.
2. It is over 200' deep and is unaffected by foundations etc.
3. All equipment is largely intact except for the telephone exchange elements which were removed to comply with EEC legislation regarding some of their components (about 3 years ago)
4. "was particularly surprised to see the piano and pool table in the recreation room. They were planning to have quite a relaxing time sitting out Armageddon down there!"
Don't forget we had Power Engineers working down there until 1997 -this was their rest room!
5. "The people of Manchester paid a great deal of money for the construction of this bunker, they were given no choice in the matter, it was built without their knowledge and it was obsolete before it was completed, for these reasons I believe we should be given access to it!"
In actual fact I believe that it wasn't paid for by the British Government let alone Manchester - it was largely paid for by NATO which in those days meant America. Since then it has been maintained at the Post Office/BT's expense
BT are unable to open the site to the public for a variety of reasons mainly concerning safety and security.
26 August 1999
If anyone reading this has any more information on the underground installations in Manchester please email me at: atomic!cybertrn.demon.co.uk
Copyright 2000 (C) George Coney
Last updated 24 January 2000
EMERGENCY services, homes and businesses were hit after an underground fire in Manchester city centre cut 130,000 phone lines.
The blaze, in a tunnel by the junction of George Street and Princess Street, destroyed cables connected to the national phone network.
Related News:
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Got an email this afternoon from an online store saying they weren't able to handle any credit card orders at the moment because both their primary and backup link to the Barclays Banking Network was down because of a fire. I assume it's the same fire (sounds like the right area). Do have to wonder why they bother with a backup if it's running through the same facility.
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This backup system is fire-proof, though it can be degraded by smoke and fog.
'Guardian' nuclear communications bunker system
If it was built to survive a nuclear war, you would think that it would be resistant to a fire.
OK, the thing was probably built ages ago, so maybe the fire-resistant insulation has worn out or something but you would think a Nuclear Bunker would be pretty durrable.
Was it an electrical fire?
Was the wiring bad or worn out?
Have they rewired it in the last 50 years or so?
Guess they will have to now.
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Is it a co-incidence that you would mention Dr. Strangelove with Britain being the home of Jack The Ripper?
Where are all the mineshaft's to protect us from the Cobalt-Thorium G? And, where can I find the catalog so that I can choose the 10 woman I'm suposed to service?
Yeah, this is somewhat off topic, but I'm having a crappy day and any kind of diversion is a good thing.
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So, if this telephone system was designed to withstand a nuclear blast the size of that at Hiroshima, how is it that they think a fire damaged it? That would be one huge fire, and I think we'd have heard a lot more about it.
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American readers may be interested to learn that they - or at least their grandparents - paid for the construction of the Guardian telephone exchange under Manchester, and several others. It was a cold war NATO project to protect comms against atom bombs on the city centres. There were similar exchanges under London (Kingsway) and Birmingham (Anchor). They were built in the early 1950s, but are now obsolete. Although the underground exchanges have gone, the cable tunnels that run from these city centre locations to the ourskirts are still very much in use. Details of all of these and many other 'secret' underground structures in the UK can be found on the Subterranea Britannica web site.
How are they supposed to wiretap everyone if the phones are out?!
Police Officer Jimmy Beck has just jumped off the top of a nearby building, after being harrassed by one Dr. Fitzgerald.
(In case you don't get it, Chapel Street - the entrance to the Guardian system is where they filmed Jimmy Beck's swansong in his last episode of Cracker).
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"If it was built to survive a nuclear war, you would think that it would be resistant to a fire."
The fire was in the tunnel though, a nuclear blast would be OUTSIDE the tunnel!
*chuckle* Ha. Ha. Heh.
BWAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
*sniff* *wipes tear*
Man, oh man....
You owe me one bowl of cheerios, you insensitive clod.
No matter how many of my rights are taken away, somehow I still don't feel safe. -Frigid Monkey
Probably a safe bet that all the copper that they had down there will go, replaced by glass. Left to their own devices, whomever was owner of the communications cables down there was regularly trying to get just a little bit more out of copper and resisting the expense of going to fibre. The hurdle has now been cleared to replace it as quick as they can, which will be fastest to put in? Copper or glass?
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Guardian bunker runined, and only 130,000 lines out of service? Or are these trunks not "lines"? (Line has a number attached to it, trunk carries calls).
-psy
I live near the site of the fire, I work for a telco and yet the most significant disruption I've seen to my life was the traffic around Manchester City Centre!
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..."nuke-survivable" != "fire-resistant"?
Did someone not tell the guys who designed and built this stuff that fire is a frequent side-effect of nuclear detonations?
all the bells worry about this.
all the lines from your houses etc end up coming up out of pipes in the floor. The wires are usually insulated with paper, and there is an awful lot of it.
The pipes underground, feeders, etc, are sometimes pressurised to keep them dry.
burning this means an awful lot of feeder cables need to be re-run, and a whole lot of twisted pairs need punching down again in new blocks.
In 1999, there was a central office fire in toronto, similar magnititude, and it took a couple of days of herculean effort to restore.
The major damage comes from water and smoke etc.
Many CO have e.g. FM4 systems for fire suppression. A tunnel probably wouldn't have this.
Other major central office fires of the past were in LA, NY, Chicago (hinsdale).
The good news is that telephone companies are very service and quality oriented, and will work awful hard to restore.
I think you meant to say "Bloody fibre".
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To the tune of London Bridge is falling down.
Manchester Exchange is burning down, burning down, burning down.
Manchester Exchange is burning down, My fair lady.
Being one of the early birth places of the industrial revolution is not the best thing in the world, as its infrastructure has been set in stone for decades (for phone service) or centuries (for other things). Now that the old infrastructure is burned out, it leaves room for super modern technology to be put in its place.
The very sad part is that change only comes on the heels of disaster. Perhaps the people in that area will get wireless service until this is resolved?
I'm sure there are places in America that are equally vulnerable, too.
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At work we manage WANs for a few nationwide (UK that is) customers. Each site has an ADSL connection, with ISDN as backup. Got to work this morning to find that all the Manchester ADSLs were down, but for some reason the ISDNs were still working... any idea why the ISDNs would still be working? I'd expected them all to be down.
The bloody BOFH was tired of his windowless office and needed new digs.
BOFH... England... get it?
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The fire was in the tunnel though, a nuclear blast would be OUTSIDE the tunnel!
Under normal circumstances, the general rule is "Shit Happens." Durring a nuclear war, I think that rule still applies.
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Manchester is ~300km from London, on the other side of the country, and it's not the side that the undersea cables to North America or Continental Europe go through. 200 miles may not seem that far away to Americans, but as far as the infrastructure goes it's pretty far.
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With Guardian down, Colossus is going to get pissed!
mancester is burning ???
run for the hills now !!!
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Slashdot is not the place to ask pertinant questions. For such information one would have to go to a real news site.
Is the rigid routing a side-effect of their own switch technology? I haven't lived in the UK for a decade, so am not sure if BT still make their own switches (System X?).
:-)
Thanks for the insight!
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A) no backups in place
vital emergency ( 999 in the UK ) services got cut off and resulted in ambulance services using cell phone to take emergncy calls ( furthur streching the cell phone system )
b) no fire supression systems in place
it was mentioned in an early post, why was the tunnel not filled with SF6 ( or one of the other gases that supress fire )
c) why do Very HV power cables run through these very same tunnels?
hummmmmm??
Ross Cook, a spokesman for BT, said that the fire was "very serious".
"There are 44 cables in the tunnel, each containing 24 fibre optic cables, which together can carry an awful lot of traffic," said Mr Cook.
"That is why we bury them so far underground, to protect them from being accidentally cut by people working on the road. It is too early to say how long it will take to repair until the engineers can get in there and work out how much damage has been done."
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"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
... Londoners don't have phones. Since they can't speak, they have no need of them. Instead, they make these strange (in the case of people from Essex, truly *eldritch*) braying noises that carry for two or three miles. Effective, but horrible to hear.
I am a student at Manchester University and have a server in the University's spin-off colocation facility (which is a MaNAP expansion member). We have experienced no downtime or outages.
Where else would the phone lines be flaming?
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There is another one of these subterranian exchanges under Birmingham and it is of the same sort of size.
Birmingham Anchor Exchange
I personally remember when a section of house-brick wall partially collapsed in the Bristol-street motors underpass on the Bristol road, revealing what appeared to be a huge concrete plug for one of the original level access tunnels used in construction.
Birmingham Anchor stretched from Bristol road / Smallbrook Queensway in the South, to Telephone House in the West, Church street in the East and almost all the way North to Hockley Circus.
Apparently the water-table has risen in recent years and now BT has to pay for Anchor to be pumped out constantly.
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
Just found that a Fire-Safety officer at the Birmingham sister exchange had once been quoted as saying: "There was strict no smoking rules with staff only being allowed to smoke in the mess room. If a serious fire were to break out in the exchange the people down there would only have about 30 seconds to live."
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
It's your punishment for giving the world Morrisey.
- If the building that a phone switch is in catches fire, that's severely ugly, potentially weeks before most people have service.
- Copper Cables connecting telco offices to end-users usually aren't diverse; if you lose a bundle of them, it's really annoying - splicing big fat bundles of copper takes days, and it's going to be a few days before it's safe to go into the tunnel and assess the damage, much less fix it.
- Fiber optic long-haul trunks connecting telco offices *shouldn't* be a big problem, unless they've done a really bad job of diversity planning. They're usually arranged in ring or mesh topologies, with enough excess capacity that they can reroute the traffic around any (single) failures. In the US (at least for the telco I work for), that rerouting would happen in seconds or minutes, if there's enough capacity available to restore all the service, and the rest of it would be scrounged up with manual intervention, usually much faster than physical restoration (certainly true in this case.) For short stretches of physical restoration around damage (they have a mile here, which is a bit long), it's not uncommon to run temporary fiber above ground on poles or in as protected a route as you can cobble together, and post a bunch of guys in orange vests to watch it until they get the regular circuit rebuilt.
- Fiber circuits to local end-users (mostly large businesses) and fibers feeding local telephone-copper concentrators are normally built in rings, with enough spacing between them that they're not supposed to have multiple failures from a single event, and restoration is simple and happens in under a second. The main exception to this is supposed to be multiple simultaneous failures - TWO street construction crews not checking before they dig, or a big flood.
The description of the "44 bundles of 24 fibers" sounds like long-haul, but maybe it's metro ring stuff. This sounds disturbingly like they had a bunch of access that wasn't diverse enough, because they assumed that the tunnels were safe from careless backhoe drivers, but maybe it's not that bad.Bill Stewart
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isnt fucking assholes a sin in the church??So wouldn't you, by suggesting it be commiting a sin??
Your trunk is all junk.
nt
I think this is the 2nd or 3rd time I read about 'secret' UK installations in major cities on /.
Does anyone have some good links about 'secret' installations in US cities?
BTW: No, im not from Al Qaeda
Well think its safe to say during a nuclear war shit has already happened.
Here in London everything is fine. I wish the lines were down so I wouldn't have to talk to any idiot memebers of the public.
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Us jocks get really angry when the English refer to Mancunians as "Northerners". Manchester's not even half way up the UK mainland. To me a Glaswegean is a soft southern shandy-drinker....
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Is this a giant, radiation mutated Scots Pine on the rampage?
...and he grinned, like a fox eating shit out of a wire brush.
I live in the Manchester area, and I have had no interruption+?("`#`---[NO CARRIER]
Anyone interested in Cold War era secret bunkers, have a look at this place. I've actually visited it, and it's absolutely fascinating. Climbing down the stairs from the "farmhouse" and walking along the entrance tunnel was a very chilling experience. It's within a couple of hours' drive from Glasgow or Edinburgh.
I've got two servers in Manchester and there was a several-hour outage last weekend. But that was it, everything seems to be fine since.
In military speak, "Communications" also refers to transport of troops and materiel, not just to electric signaling (wired or radio). Thus, "Communications" includes supply routes, beach-heads, retreat routes, indeed courier routes, that sort of thing.
Just to point out that this isn't just a tube for cabling. Sure they also had electric signaling in mind, though.
This fire has also effected Digital TV (and some analogue TV) to Northern Ireland, certainly a key communications trunk.
See Digital Spy
As someone in this thread says I'm suprised more transmitters aren't effected
For some time I have thought, "It's good to keep the landline just in case", although I pretty much use only my cell phone for everyday communication.
;-P
Now after these news I'm not so sure. Maybe landlines aren't the bulletproof emergency backup I thought they would be... Then again, in my home city I have already witnessed a total jamming of the cell phone network (on a city-wide festival day) which lasted for hours.
So now I have memorized the location of the nearest taxi station. Enough emergency planning for me
...Glasgow is in Scotland - Manchester *is* in the north of England (albeit not the extreme north). I'm also presuming you mean 'to me as a Glaswegean' unless you are actually originally from Shetland...
A really good read! I only vaguely remembered A "Mark I" computer but I had assumed it was in the USA. ;-)
Update 11 - 30/03/04 - updated by BT Wholesale.
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Apologies that this bulletin is slightly later than first advertised but I have waited until maximum information is
available.Splicing continues in the tunnel on the first 4 cables. Cable 1 is expected to be completed by 6 p.m. with
cables 2, 3 and 4 anticipated to be completed by 9 p.m. The estimated fix time for the first 10 cables is reported
as 4 p.m. tomorrow but it is still hoped to bring this timescale forward.20 engineers are currently working in the
tunnel using 14 splicing kits and this level of resource will remain until the work is completed.Work continues
well on the bypass route and it is expected that we will be able to start offloading ccts on to these cables
overnight. It must however be remembered that this offload will not have the capacity to restore all remaining
services.A full time line for repair is currently being defined and it is expected that this will be available
by 22:00 tonight.Members of the BT Wholesale Board are now travelling to Manchester to ensure that every
possible action is being taken to restore service as quickly as possible. All timescales quoted are only
advisory and likely to change.
Update 10 - 30/03/04 - updated by BT Wholesale.
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Priority in restoring community isolations, 999, and emergency services is continuing with the first 10
priority cables identified. Splicing continues in the tunnel and some services have been restored. Extra
resource has been identified to ensure that splicing continues 24x7 to effect repair. Work continues to
identify each cable down to circuit level in order to be able to give customers a better picture of when
they can expect to see their service restored. Further information on this should be available later this
afternoon.As far as updates are concerned we now move into the difficult period where work is continuing
as quickly as possible to restore services and there is little other information to pass on, we will however
attempt to give you as much information as possible during this period. Work continues on the bypass route.
This route will have the capacity for 4x144 fibre cables which will need to be blown in, work to offload
some of the ccts which will not have been restored at that time onto these cables should be able to begin this
evening.All necessary manpower resource and fibre cable is available on site and restoration will continue
on a 24hr basis.The next bulletin will be provided at 15:00 bst unless further information is available earlier.
Update 09 - 30/03/04 12:10CET - updated by BT Wholesale.
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Priority in restoring community isolations, 999, and emergency services is continuing with the first 10
priority cables identified. Splicing of the first three cables started at 08:40hrs but working conditions
in the tunnel do not allow parallel splicing on other cables at this time. This is due to debris caused by
the fire which cannot be moved for environmental reasons making it more difficult than expected. Splicing
on the cables is progressing well and there has been confirmation that some isolated communities have restored
and that cable systems are restoring.Additional resource has been assigned to identify individual customer
circuits on these cables and the information should be available for the first 3 cables by mid-day today.
Customers will be contacted as their circuits are restored.In addition a limited number of line systems have
been rerouted around the incident. Work continues on the bypass route. This route will have the capacity for
4x144 fibre cables which will need to be blown in, work to offload some of the ccts which will not have been
restored at that time onto these cables should be able to begin this evening.
Update 08 - 30/03/04 - updated by BT Wholesale.
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Work began in the fire damaged tunnel just after midnight. Additional problems have been encountered
with the identification of burnt off cable ends and debris wi
Not if you are a Catholic priest. In that case it is more important to cry about stem cells and fertility treatment.
between the greater and lesser infinities sleep the dreams undreamt
well, since the story, our adsl service from the longsight exchange has just come back!
I want to know who modded that 'overrated' - there was no reason to do that, you wasted a mod point being an anti that you could have spent promoting a another good post
If you cannot keep politics out of your moderation remove yourself from the Mod Lottery.. NOW!