Catalytic hydrogen crackers powering vessels at sea. Skip fossil fuel, instead your floating on your gas tank. Of course, you'd have to store the hydrogen for 'cloudy/stormy days'.
I wonder how large an array you'd need to power a container ship.
It's a bold assertion, and like all marketing slogans, probably somewhat less than true. However, I ask the following question, what other manufacturer with an installed base of software on the order of Oracle's (size and complexity) could make such a claim and not be IMMEDIATELY laughed off the face of the planet?
People actually took the time to prove it. That says a lot. Almost any other manufacturer would have had outstanding open security bugs that could have been pointed to at the time the statement was made.
In the end, if nothing else, Oracle got a lot of free security testing out of it. And their installed base WILL be the better for that experience. So the marketing actually bought them something positive.
Did you think this argument through? At all? Or has all the recent Apple press which totally overshadowed anything that Bill Gates said at CES just put a bug up your...
I'm sure that cool has never sold any tech gadgetry at all in middle america. It's never sold cool phones with sleek designs and replaceable face plates, nor hot handheld computers, nor cool portable music players. Need I go on?
The fallacy your propagating is that cool/hip design is the enemy of success. It isn't. Cool design is what gives us the future. It may not be today, but even Bill Gates eventually managed to learn something from Apple. Success isn't domination, as any despotic dictator can prove.
If you have a useful point to make, make it. Otherwise, encouring a new generation of engineers to think inside the 'dull beige box' is a waste of your breath and their talent.
If youth is wasted on the young, this argument proves that Vision is wasted on the blind.
Point taken, yes my Mac running OX could be harboring all sorts of nefarious code inserted by AOL/AIM. It's true, of course this particular bug only affected machines running Microsh*t brand OSes. There are advantages to being the 'minority, underused OS'.
The truth is you're correct. But then if you had a 'black hat' back door planted on your system for use in some nefarious scheme to arrange attacks, don't you think it would eventually get used? And when it did, then it would be revealed? Example: the Denial Of Service attacks early last year.
Being paranoid is a good thing, and it's your choice not to run AOL/AIM. That's fine. But all in all, I'd rather spend my time worrying about already known, highly STUPID, well documented and frequently abused security risks that remain UNFIXED (read Outlook), than to conjecture about possible security attacks in a protocol that's at least been patched.
Yes it's a secret protocol, and that makes it unavailable for public inspection. But there remain many well documented public protocols that continue to be used, with known security issues. Even OpenSSH, a gem of a program I use regularly, had possible security exploits. Heck even my favorite software house, Apple, has "Airport" code which is subject to WEP exploits.
If you want to get on AOL's case for not being responsive to the original complaint, you might have a case. However, the message I responded was lambasting them for having 'patched' the problem in a a way the poster didn't approve of. Actually I think AOL was pretty quick in applying the patch, compared to some manufacturers (read REDMOND).
Finally, if I were a 'black hat', I use the obvious easy holes to plant nefarious difficult to detect code. Instead of wasting hours/days/weeks analyzing packet transfers on AIM to try to detect possible locations for buffer overflows, just to plant that same code. But that's me, and the last time I 'hacked' anything was on an Apple 2 with poke. [Ok, I did have to hack root access on some NeXT boxes, but I was the system admin of those boxes at the time, and it was work related.] Guess that makes me 'white hat'.
It's so neat to see "Intel Inside" and "Windows" stickers on all these nice software boxes. With Microsoft's new dedication to security, I'm thinking its time we print up some nice "RedCode Enabled" or "Nimda Friendly" stickers. Then all I anyone needs to do is make a visit to the local computer outlet to upgrade the Windows OS boxes they have out on the shelves to buy.
When the big virus/worm/... that exploits this hole is announced, maybe we can print up stickers to apply to all those nice shiny new XP boxes.
Two large borohydrate vehicles have collided on I-80. More than 6 people are presumed clean. Responding emergency vehicles have already begun the dirty up the scene, after a 30 ft stretch of the highway was rendered spotless. Bubbles have obscured visibility for 2 miles in either direction.
Seriously, this stuff sounds a lot LESS dangerous than fossil fuels, we don't have to import it. And the basic fuel component is recyclable?
While I'm willing to concede that Microsoft may not be entirely at fault here, I'm not sure they should be immune from 'blame discussions' either.
Isn't this the same 'quality server' that provided us with such wonderful exploits as "Redcode", "Redcode II", "Nimbda" and all in the last 6 months. The same code that was installed by default on almost every Win2K server in a permissive mode?
Granted the Department of the Interior can't be held blameless if the exploits being used are a direct result of their carelessness, bad practice, and poor administration. However, given the such long standing problems produced by the not-so-illustrious team at Redmond (Can you say OUTLOOK? I know you can.). I'm willing to put money down that some of the blame should be shoveled that direction.
Perhaps its also a problem that the average installer of Windows isn't savvy about what they are really doing. The average Unix/Linux/etc is better educated that makes similar products, like Apache, much less problematic.
I guess I'm just trying to say that although summary judgement should be avoided, and trust me I'd LOVE to deliver a whole bunch of summary judgement on MS, I also don't think they should be ruled 'off topic' summarily either.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
Maybe it's time for the 'rest of us' to make it just as easy for Microsoft Browsers to view our websites as they are making it for others.... Anybody know a nice bit of code I can stick in my home page that redirects people to download a browser other than Internet Explorer?
Is it control or discipline? Control implies that you can make the child behave. That's a fallacy. All you can do is make sure the child understands the consequences of his or her actions, and make the consequences consistent with the behaviour the child exhibits.
You EARN trust, it's not something you blindly give. If I knew my child was prone to skipping school, I'd be checking the site every damn day. If my child had never exhibited that truancy, was getting good grades, and otherwise behaving responilby. I wouldn't bother.
The sad part of all of this is that it's come to parents having to sign up for a surveillance system to see that their child isn't skipping school. One, they haven't taught their children better behavior. Two, the schools system for informing parents of truancy hasn't worked correctly. If you fix either of these things, then you don't need to surveil.
I'm going to chime in with basic agreement to the point that because parent's are responsible for their kids, they have the right to know what they're doing.
Give my humble midwest upbringing in a 'small town', it's a foreign concept to me that parents in the community DIDN'T know what their kids were up to. If you know everyone in your community, then it's hard to be an 'anonymous truant'.
Remember this is about PARENTS and THEIR children, not government tracking random students. Once you turn 18, you're free to do as you choose, and your free to leave home to do it. Until then, your parents have a legal responsiblity to care for you and therefore a legal right to know what you're up to.
The sad part of this is that you have to spy on your own children to know what they're up to. If you'd raised them right, you wouldn't have to.
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Catalytic hydrogen crackers powering vessels at sea. Skip fossil fuel, instead your floating on your gas tank. Of course, you'd have to store the hydrogen for 'cloudy/stormy days'.
I wonder how large an array you'd need to power a container ship.
It's a bold assertion, and like all marketing slogans, probably somewhat less than true. However, I ask the following question, what other manufacturer with an installed base of software on the order of Oracle's (size and complexity) could make such a claim and not be IMMEDIATELY laughed off the face of the planet?
People actually took the time to prove it. That says a lot. Almost any other manufacturer would have had outstanding open security bugs that could have been pointed to at the time the statement was made.
In the end, if nothing else, Oracle got a lot of free security testing out of it. And their installed base WILL be the better for that experience. So the marketing actually bought them something positive.
I'm stunned. Floored and flabbergasted.
Did you think this argument through? At all? Or has all the recent Apple press which totally overshadowed anything that Bill Gates said at CES just put a bug up your...
I'm sure that cool has never sold any tech gadgetry at all in middle america. It's never sold cool phones with sleek designs and replaceable face plates, nor hot handheld computers, nor cool portable music players. Need I go on?
The fallacy your propagating is that cool/hip design is the enemy of success. It isn't. Cool design is what gives us the future. It may not be today, but even Bill Gates eventually managed to learn something from Apple. Success isn't domination, as any despotic dictator can prove.
If you have a useful point to make, make it. Otherwise, encouring a new generation of engineers to think inside the 'dull beige box' is a waste of your breath and their talent.
If youth is wasted on the young, this argument proves that Vision is wasted on the blind.
Point taken, yes my Mac running OX could be harboring all sorts of nefarious code inserted by AOL/AIM. It's true, of course this particular bug only affected machines running Microsh*t brand OSes. There are advantages to being the 'minority, underused OS'.
The truth is you're correct. But then if you had a 'black hat' back door planted on your system for use in some nefarious scheme to arrange attacks, don't you think it would eventually get used? And when it did, then it would be revealed? Example: the Denial Of Service attacks early last year.
Being paranoid is a good thing, and it's your choice not to run AOL/AIM. That's fine. But all in all, I'd rather spend my time worrying about already known, highly STUPID, well documented and frequently abused security risks that remain UNFIXED (read Outlook), than to conjecture about possible security attacks in a protocol that's at least been patched.
Yes it's a secret protocol, and that makes it unavailable for public inspection. But there remain many well documented public protocols that continue to be used, with known security issues. Even OpenSSH, a gem of a program I use regularly, had possible security exploits. Heck even my favorite software house, Apple, has "Airport" code which is subject to WEP exploits.
If you want to get on AOL's case for not being responsive to the original complaint, you might have a case. However, the message I responded was lambasting them for having 'patched' the problem in a a way the poster didn't approve of. Actually I think AOL was pretty quick in applying the patch, compared to some manufacturers (read REDMOND).
Finally, if I were a 'black hat', I use the obvious easy holes to plant nefarious difficult to detect code. Instead of wasting hours/days/weeks analyzing packet transfers on AIM to try to detect possible locations for buffer overflows, just to plant that same code. But that's me, and the last time I 'hacked' anything was on an Apple 2 with poke. [Ok, I did have to hack root access on some NeXT boxes, but I was the system admin of those boxes at the time, and it was work related.] Guess that makes me 'white hat'.
Lee
How about perspective on this. Just how many slashdot users were hit with destructive worms/viruses thanks to AIM/AOL? Raise your hands!
Now how many of you were hit with destructive worms/viruses thanks to Outlook? MIIS?
Point made. Yes, AOL's fix isn't ideal, but then were not being flooded with destructive code that way are we?
When AOL hits the top 10 methods of virus propogation, then you can lambast them for poor software design and closed standards.
Lee
It's so neat to see "Intel Inside" and "Windows" stickers on all these nice software boxes. With Microsoft's new dedication to security, I'm thinking its time we print up some nice "RedCode Enabled" or "Nimda Friendly" stickers. Then all I anyone needs to do is make a visit to the local computer outlet to upgrade the Windows OS boxes they have out on the shelves to buy.
When the big virus/worm/... that exploits this hole is announced, maybe we can print up stickers to apply to all those nice shiny new XP boxes.
Two large borohydrate vehicles have collided on I-80. More than 6 people are presumed clean. Responding emergency vehicles have already begun the dirty up the scene, after a 30 ft stretch of the highway was rendered spotless. Bubbles have obscured visibility for 2 miles in either direction.
Seriously, this stuff sounds a lot LESS dangerous than fossil fuels, we don't have to import it. And the basic fuel component is recyclable?
Lee
Who's tired of sitting on his hands...
While I'm willing to concede that Microsoft may not be entirely at fault here, I'm not sure they should be immune from 'blame discussions' either.
Isn't this the same 'quality server' that provided us with such wonderful exploits as "Redcode", "Redcode II", "Nimbda" and all in the last 6 months. The same code that was installed by default on almost every Win2K server in a permissive mode?
Granted the Department of the Interior can't be held blameless if the exploits being used are a direct result of their carelessness, bad practice, and poor administration. However, given the such long standing problems produced by the not-so-illustrious team at Redmond (Can you say OUTLOOK? I know you can.). I'm willing to put money down that some of the blame should be shoveled that direction.
Perhaps its also a problem that the average installer of Windows isn't savvy about what they are really doing. The average Unix/Linux/etc is better educated that makes similar products, like Apache, much less problematic.
I guess I'm just trying to say that although summary judgement should be avoided, and trust me I'd LOVE to deliver a whole bunch of summary judgement on MS, I also don't think they should be ruled 'off topic' summarily either.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
(Ducking)
Lee
Maybe it's time for the 'rest of us' to make it just as easy for Microsoft Browsers to view our websites as they are making it for others.... Anybody know a nice bit of code I can stick in my home page that redirects people to download a browser other than Internet Explorer?
You get the beer back with dextrous use of your fingers in someone's mouth, or by being patient and REALLY loving recycling.
You EARN trust, it's not something you blindly give. If I knew my child was prone to skipping school, I'd be checking the site every damn day. If my child had never exhibited that truancy, was getting good grades, and otherwise behaving responilby. I wouldn't bother.
The sad part of all of this is that it's come to parents having to sign up for a surveillance system to see that their child isn't skipping school. One, they haven't taught their children better behavior. Two, the schools system for informing parents of truancy hasn't worked correctly. If you fix either of these things, then you don't need to surveil.
I'm going to chime in with basic agreement to the point that because parent's are responsible for their kids, they have the right to know what they're doing. Give my humble midwest upbringing in a 'small town', it's a foreign concept to me that parents in the community DIDN'T know what their kids were up to. If you know everyone in your community, then it's hard to be an 'anonymous truant'. Remember this is about PARENTS and THEIR children, not government tracking random students. Once you turn 18, you're free to do as you choose, and your free to leave home to do it. Until then, your parents have a legal responsiblity to care for you and therefore a legal right to know what you're up to. The sad part of this is that you have to spy on your own children to know what they're up to. If you'd raised them right, you wouldn't have to.