I've been using KDE since pre 1.0 and I have been VERY happy with every new release. But, installation is still a pain. download tons of RPM and try to figure out in which order they install. It would be nice if the setup was like Gnome with a more simple install. Besides the install, can the KDE team make it that much better?
Rember, the dream of linux on the desktop is a function of just how easy it is to use. Not just to the hackers, but also to Joe Average.
that MS does have a unix kernel. They use it in thier migration from Unix to Windows stuff I think. MS does do some *NIX stuff, they just don't like to admit it. It will be interesting to see what they bring to the *NIX table though.
Windows has us on this one.
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Well, I hate to admit it, but this area is one of the fiew that Windows is still king.
Like in other replies, there is just one file to install anything on a windows machine. The.exe creates directories, updates as needed (the updates are included usually in the.exe), coppies files to directories, writes to the regestry, and cleans up after its self. The.exe installer has become _very_ efficent.
I started with windows 3.11 and It's program install, initialization, and configs are very similar to linux. Under 3.11 the user installed somthing (which updated dependances automatically) and configured the.ini files to run without incident.
Then came windows 95. Under 9x and NT4 the regestry was created. Gone were the days of an.ini file for each program. Now there was a central location for _ALL_ configurations of _ALL_ of the programs.
Linux, however, lacks in this arena. To just configure _source_ to be ready to compile the user/installer must go to shell and run./configure.sh And that's just to make source ready to go.
RPMs are somewhat better. Generaly, under Mandrake, you simply double click on the RPM you want to install and enter root passwd and you get a nice GUI to walk you through it. Usually everything goes as planned, but some times there are hickups.
Another shortfall of RPMs is the fact that when an RMP is downloaded, you _ONLY_ download the binary for the program you want to run. The RPM usually does not include updates to dependances, it expects you to fix them your self.
So, my far fetched idiea is 1) Have a central repository for _ALL_ configuration and initialization files. (like a regestry?)
2) Some how include updates to dependances to _MAKE SURE_ the program runs.
3) Have a standard that is agreed upon across the board for files to be included in an RPM and make them generic. ex. An RPM for Red Hat should also work under Mandrake. (I don't know if this is possible beacuse of file placement, directory, etc. discrepencies)
Just my idieas. A lonf way off I can tell, but I think we need to get there so that linux can realy be an end user system that is friendly to Ubergeeks and n00bs alike. I'm just a high school student that probibly does not know what he is talking about very well, but I am the only person at school to run linix on my laptop and have it work for daily usage. (notes, web surfing, papers, etc.) _PLEASE_ corect me if I am wrong about anything here. I'd rather ask a dumb question than be an ignorant.
What an absoutely stypid idiea. Communication is the schools is key to the sucess of a student in any school and this bill practly blocks student-teacher communication.
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Well, just one more reason to order another case of Bawls
I've been using KDE since pre 1.0 and I have been VERY happy with every new release. But, installation is still a pain. download tons of RPM and try to figure out in which order they install. It would be nice if the setup was like Gnome with a more simple install. Besides the install, can the KDE team make it that much better?
Rember, the dream of linux on the desktop is a function of just how easy it is to use. Not just to the hackers, but also to Joe Average.
lol!
this could be very interesting to see where it goes.
that MS does have a unix kernel. They use it in thier migration from Unix to Windows stuff I think. MS does do some *NIX stuff, they just don't like to admit it. It will be interesting to see what they bring to the *NIX table though.
Well, I hate to admit it, but this area is one of the fiew that Windows is still king.
.exe creates directories, updates as needed (the updates are included usually in the .exe), coppies files to directories, writes to the regestry, and cleans up after its self. The .exe installer has become _very_ efficent.
.ini files to run without incident.
.ini file for each program. Now there was a central location for _ALL_ configurations of _ALL_ of the programs.
./configure.sh And that's just to make source ready to go.
Like in other replies, there is just one file to install anything on a windows machine. The
I started with windows 3.11 and It's program install, initialization, and configs are very similar to linux. Under 3.11 the user installed somthing (which updated dependances automatically) and configured the
Then came windows 95. Under 9x and NT4 the regestry was created. Gone were the days of an
Linux, however, lacks in this arena. To just configure _source_ to be ready to compile the user/installer must go to shell and run
RPMs are somewhat better. Generaly, under Mandrake, you simply double click on the RPM you want to install and enter root passwd and you get a nice GUI to walk you through it. Usually everything goes as planned, but some times there are hickups.
Another shortfall of RPMs is the fact that when an RMP is downloaded, you _ONLY_ download the binary for the program you want to run. The RPM usually does not include updates to dependances, it expects you to fix them your self.
So, my far fetched idiea is
1) Have a central repository for _ALL_ configuration and initialization files. (like a regestry?)
2) Some how include updates to dependances to _MAKE SURE_ the program runs.
3) Have a standard that is agreed upon across the board for files to be included in an RPM and make them generic. ex. An RPM for Red Hat should also work under Mandrake. (I don't know if this is possible beacuse of file placement, directory, etc. discrepencies)
Just my idieas. A lonf way off I can tell, but I think we need to get there so that linux can realy be an end user system that is friendly to Ubergeeks and n00bs alike. I'm just a high school student that probibly does not know what he is talking about very well, but I am the only person at school to run linix on my laptop and have it work for daily usage. (notes, web surfing, papers, etc.) _PLEASE_ corect me if I am wrong about anything here. I'd rather ask a dumb question than be an ignorant.
Alex
What an absoutely stypid idiea. Communication is the schools is key to the sucess of a student in any school and this bill practly blocks student-teacher communication.