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KDE 3.1 Alpha1 is Here
navindra writes: "A brand new alpha of the breath-taking KDE 3.1 development branch has been announced. This release sports everything from wonderful new eye candy to tons of popular new features including new and exciting "easter eggs" (aka bugs) just waiting to be discovered. Remember, this is not a stable release -- those of you concerned with stability should use KDE 3.0.2, whereas those of you who want to help KDE 3.1 be the best KDE ever should use this alpha. Kudos to Dre for writing the announcement and to the tireless Dirk Mueller for coordinating this release. Party!" On a related note, pAlpha writes: "Over the past years a large amount of myths has built up around KDE. Recently Aaron J. Seigo released a page about the KDE myths and facts." Good for convincing the boss.
Can they improve upon the best? Honestly....can they?
In college, really poor, need a flatscreen.
This means that KDE 3.0 is going to roll out on Debian in the next six months. I just can't wait!
I would just like to thank /. for their amazing ability to link to pages with high resolution images knowing fully that the hosting server will be slashdotted in a number of seconds.
Buying a Dell computer is equivalent to dropping the soap in a prison shower.
Now I'm no longer using mozilla, since it doesn't start quite as fast as konqueror and the tabs where the only thing better about it (that and the antialiased fonts in konqueror look much better).
There are lots of (small) improvements in the kde code that make the whole environment a real joy to use.
Kde 3.1 is a great thing to look forward for.
If only I could come up with a good sig
(drools)
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
...is Slashdot the place for alpha announcements?
i'm sure there are plenty of KDE fans here and all, but this isn't even beta yet. if Slashdot announced every alpha release of every decent-sized Open Source project... Oh wait, they do.
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"Over the past years a large amount of myths has built up around KDE..."
:P
Number one of which is: KDE does NOT stand for "Killer Dog Eaters"
This is my sig. Its pathetic.
Anyone else get violently upset witht he clipboard program in KDE. Who was the person who though it to be a good idea for that little option bar to popup when I selected an internat address?? So that everytime I select all in the url box of my web browser it comes up, takes focus away from the app I am using and asks when I want to do..... I KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO!!!! ;-) There is most likely a way to alter its behavior... but I thought it was a silly thing to have by default. But what do I care?? I use Blackbox anyhow!
I looked at the screenshots, and the transparent menus and the drop shadows on the menu look really nice. I'm curious - are these KDE application things? Are they part of the windows manager that comes with KDE? Are they QT? And will they work over everything, or will they only work when QT menus are displayed over QT aps?
Just wondering if it is possible to have such nifty eyecandy work with my 95% GTK+/Sawfish environment, or if I would have to switch to the KDE environment to see this features.
_sig_ is away
Aaron J Siego also started up the KDE Usability Project, in order to spearhead work on improving the KDE UI. I was following the list for quite a few weeks, until the traffic grew too substantial to keep up with. But according to the 3.1 alpha release notes, some of their intial work, including work on Kicker, is going to be included in the new release.
This is a wonderful thing. From reading the list, I know that they've painstakingly thought through the work they've done, modeled and remodeled, discussed and argued all the little details to get things as good as they could. Progress has been slow for that reason, but it is substantial, and over time I think it'll bring KDE's usability to something we can all really be proud of.
Features are nice, but I think improving the usability of KDE will help everyone in the long run.
"I may not have morals, but I have standards."
Is it just me or is this remind any of you of MS Win XP! Sorry but IMHO this looks like Win XP where most of the stuff hasn't changed it just looks "Prettier" every body knows that XP was just a pretty GUI and it looks like this is too. Plus the way I see it is that the only real reason they put this out is b/c they want more money and the only way to get that is by putting out prettier versions with no real reason too... Just my $0.02
Since when did Slashdot become Freshmeat ... for alpha software?
I went to KDE.org, and the installation instructions for KDE 3 still start out with "First, you will need this library. Now, here's a list of packages you will be installing..." I installed Gnome a year ago with Ximian's go-gnome script, which was totally painless. Is anything like this in the works for KDE?
Unfortunately Aaron Seigo didn't make his KDE Myths a single FAQ style page but a cascading set of pages. Can someone mirror them before they are slashdotted out of creation?
Have been looking forward to this - thought it was going to be a while before we got it. Nice to see they are still making a lot of progress after the 3.0 release.
PS: keramik kicks a$$
Derek
Is it just me, or is KDE looking a lot like WinXP?
Personally, I think it's ugly.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
KDE 1 - 2 were attempts to copy windows UI with some small differences.
It now appears that KDE 3.1 is going for the Appple OS X Aqua look. Look at the screen shots. The task bar looks like the OS X dock and they even called it Qwertz.
I love Linux on the desktop, and I love KDE, but unless it offers something original, something that Windows and Mac OS don't, then what's the point?
I've been using KDE since pre 1.0 and I have been VERY happy with every new release. But, installation is still a pain. download tons of RPM and try to figure out in which order they install. It would be nice if the setup was like Gnome with a more simple install. Besides the install, can the KDE team make it that much better?
Rember, the dream of linux on the desktop is a function of just how easy it is to use. Not just to the hackers, but also to Joe Average.
"here are a bunch of links you might find interesting- but hurry! Hurry! Oh, they're all gone now - sorry. check back in a couple days"
AMEN Brother.
Hopefully I'll be able to see some of this stuff tomorrow.
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It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
I was thinking, "KDE-XP" Actually, the screenshots look beautiful. This is by far my fav window manager.
It looks 256 MaxClient is hardwired in Apache. Oh well, live and learn. We'll have to recompile Apache for next time. We definitely got the CPU/bandwidth for more.
I'm pretty new to linux, and I have no idea how to install this if I wanted to. Can some one point me to a site that would have a step-by-step for something like this?
--The space between my ears was intentionally left blank--
Is it me or does this look too much like OS X Aqua??
From the 3.1 feature plan:
KRfb:
NEW IN KDE: VNC-compatible server to share KDE desktops
Remote Desktop Connection (KRdc):
NEW IN KDE: VNC-compatible client
Now you don't have to have a seperate instance of KDE running with the vncserver - you can share your CURRENT desktop just like you can with Windows and vnc. This is mucho cool - I will use it often!
Derek
Even I, with my superior intelect, was able to spot the obvious "troll" conotations inherent within your previous postings to this esteemed "Slashdot".
Also, I have just shat my pants. Would you have some tissue upon your person, purchance? Its quite uncomfortable!
Warm 'n Squishy!
We both had a good laugh.
Seriously though I was a die hard Gnome user, but version 2.0 leaves much to be desired. This new version of KDE looks like, once it is released, it might not feel/look so much like I'm still using windows to actually use it. That has been my main problem with KDE since I first used it back in 1997. I really hope that the desktop kids can continue to go forward, cause that is where the war will be lost or won.
>The KDE project is famous for its funded and organised trolling of weblogs and message board associated with Linux and Free software/open source.
So are slashdot gnome trolls like youself.
Seriously, this is an ALPHA release. It would be another story if this was a beta and somebody actually wanted to install it.
Do a google search before posting.
We are all able to dispute and debate which WM looks the best, functions the best, or is just the best. Personally, I like Gnome with Metacity. However, I think that new computer users should have the final say as far as ease-of-use goes.
As far as looks... the initial impression made can either make or break a user's opinion of a product.
In a quick test, I set my mom's login (yes, she uses linux! It's great!) to use KDE instead of Gnome. Later, she came up to me and said, "What is going on with the computer?"
I told her that she was seeing KDE, which was like Gnome - what she used to use, but different.
"I don't like it. It's ugly. Get rid of it."
She was quite turned against KDE. Now, I must say that she, before I switched her to Linux, was a mostly unproficient Windows user.
As nice as I think KDE could be, they really need to work out a less cluttered initial install. Don't know if they've fixed it recently, but I thought my head would explode the first time I loaded it up.
The audacity of these people to suck up all of the bandwidth before _I_ have a chance to read the articles! :-)
All I can say (without actually reading the articles) is: Way to go KDE team. It seems like 3.0 just came out and you guys are already hard at work improving your product! You're doing a great job! Keep it up!!!
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
This is not a flamebait but I never found KDE to be attractive, I actually find it ugly, I also finds windows extremely ugly.
An alternative desktop that look completely different but intuitive and productive is the reason I like gnome and dislike KDE.
Come now, Gnome and KDE have been imitating Windows for some time now, did you just now notice? Yes, this is the first time they've started imitating XP. Did it not bother you as much when they imitated 2000?
The fact is, KDE and Gnome are both HIGHLY configurable. Anyone in their right mind sets them up in the way that they like best. But both KDE and Gnome know that "intuitive" interfaces don't matter nearly as much as "familiar" interfaces to a newbie.
Face it, if a Windows user was presented with an intuitive interface, it would take them weeks to get used to it. If we're gonna ease the transition, we default to a Windows style. You ARE free to change it!
ummm, anyone can download from anon cvs, what leaking was involved?
Surry, but you're obivously lying. For one thing, you can't possibly have a leaked version -- since such a concept can't possibly exist in free software that is openly developed.
There are also absolutely no changes of the kind you describe to the K Menu -- no split menus, nothing like that, and the K button is still an icon. The default color scheme for the new look is bluish-grey; and has no green in it whatsoever.
It is a desktop environment.
I've been using SciTe editor for about two months now and I the new Kate sure looks a lot like Scite.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
You know judging from the mix of _______ ripoff comments, they may actually have an origional look. Managing to look exactly like all those different OSes is quite a feat.
2.- ???
3.- Profit!!!
I'm not trolling, but I find it sad that everyone has to copy Windows (Microsoft copied Apple, which copied Xerox, blah, blah). Why can't someone come up with a new UI paradigm that works better? If anything, Open Source has the best chance to do this without spending $$$ in "focus groups" and so on. KDE and GNOME look so much like Windows I'm not even inclined to install the latest versions anymore. Not to put down the effort required to code this things, which is of course enormous. I just think the innovation is not there anymore.
The taskbar-desktop-menu thing should be thrown out. So what if it's a huge change? Most of us will adapt.
lol.. what a troll.. 'leaked the source code'.. *cough* cvs *cough*.. and who the fuck uses 800x640 anyways? buy another monitor you poor smelly GNU hippie
This is only a test
Is debian ever going to have an official package? Did I just miss something? Seems like I've been waiting forever.
that they badmouth eyecandy and fluff, but darn near everyone of you run KDE (or decorate any WM it seems) trying to copy the look & feel of the big players (MS & Apple).
....they just took it from Linux/BeOS/Mac/whogivesacrapOS"
But we all know that it's like masturbation, or picking your nose...most people just won't admit it, but everybody does it. Keep on imitating, guys, and then wonder why nobody takes you seriously when you cry out "but...but MS hasn't innovated anything
Quit Slashdotting the site damn it.
After looking at the new screenshots, I can honestly say that this will be the first KDE which I will not have to alter the look of significantly from the default install. This will mean good things for people unaware of kde-look.org and other enhancements that are 3rd party to kde. KDE will finally look very polished and professional (if not a little bit over the top like XP .. but definately far more attractive than XP).
Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt --Abraham Lincoln
What does beautiful eye candy help you if it works slow?
I have a Linux box and a WinXP box. When I installed the XP, the first thing I did was to remove all the useless eyecandy, such as fading in and out. It only makes menus slower to get to. The whole XP UI seems slower and heavier than before, with no improvment in usability..
I don't want to see this happening to KDE. I want the UI to work fast and smart.
^_^
because my friend works for KDE, and he leaked me the code.
isn't KDE free software project? You can get the code by yourself from CVS. You don't have to have someone 'leaking' the code.
:wq
I remember an Amiga utility to do drop shadows on all the windows. It looked really cool, but was too slow for regular use.
It looks like this KDE effect is only for menus, which seems to reduce the impact. Also, on the Amiga utility, they gave each level of height a progressively wider shadow (and they casted relatively onto each other). That looked much more natural and gave a believable impression of many floating platforms.
> Did anyone notice the desktop sharing "feature" in KDE? Is this VNC compatible?
Comic reader? There were not only pictures but an announcement, how about reading it? It contains the answer.
Go figure :)
Maybe it does now, but it was the Kool Desktop Environment. Do a google for it.
Interesting...a Linux "master" that thinks it's possible to "leak" KDE code....
Liberal (adj.): Free from bigotry; open to progress; tolerant of others.
I've set up a mirror of the screenshots site:
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http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/users/tom/kde31alpha
Enjoy!
It is fully VNC compatible and supports the latest codecs.
I think he means like this.
I am already starting to see comments in this thread like "feature X is just a ripp-off of product Y", who decided to put in feature Z, I hate it", etc. I just finished reading Survival Is Not Enough, by Seth Godin, who is a former Executive at Yahoo, among other things. These complaints are features that really should be applauded instead. Which criticizm is good, just the fact that a feature is similar to something else another product has is not bad.
Much of the book has to do with the evolution of products suchs as web sites and software. Evolution happens in software just like in life forms. Much of the book pushes the idea of making as many "mutations" in a short time with as little money as possible. Let the bad ones die, keep the good ones. If another product has a feature that works well, why not use as much of the basic concept as possible. Image what the word processor world be like to day if none of the publishers used features other software had already implemented. Cross polination in evolutionary terms. This is along the lines of the tabbed browsing in Konquer, and the "Qwertz" toolbar thing.
The rant about the stupid KDE clipboard function? I admit, I don't use the feature either. Is it bad it was put in? No. As many "test" features as possible should be put into the public view to see which are good and which are bad. The good features will stay, the bad will be phased out. These "mutations" of the core are what helps create innovative features. Who knows, someday a desktop envirnment might be considered horrible if it doesn't have whatever the KDE clipboard thing does. (I don't even KNOW what it is supposed to do, which may be more the problem.)
These are not bad, and in my mind should be encouraged of both the Gnome team and the KDE team. As many people here know, innovation happens much faster when there are competing technologies, and not just a big monopoly in any given market.
-Pete
(Book link is an affiliate link...I read the book and liked it. I think you will too.)
Soccer Goal Plans
Wonder what branch of vnc they used..
Great to see in included, one less thing to have to install manually afterwards ( and not integrate well afterwards anyway )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Everything that you talk about is configurable, even your level of anti-aliasing.
I think that you are just being a troll. If you don't like it, write your own.
Fuck off, Linux master.
One thing that keeps from from giving KDE much attention is a small pet peeve of mine. The task list, I absolutely hate task lists, it's absolutely the the epitome of bad interface design. You have a horizontal list of application names, which are variable sizes, and the more you have the smaller they can be... ugg, disgusting.
So, my question is, does KDE have any type of drop down task switcher, a la MacOS Thanks
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
when are we gonna be able to cut and paste more than just plaintext?
why not?
Higher Logics: where programming meets science.
One thing that keeps me from from giving KDE much attention is a small pet peeve of mine. The task list, I absolutely hate task lists, it's absolutely the the epitome of bad interface design. You have a horizontal list of application names, which are variable sizes, and the more you have the smaller they can be... ugg, disgusting.
So, my question is, does KDE have any type of drop down task switcher, a la MacOS<=9.x and Gnome? Or an icon box a la OSX and Enlightenment? I simply cannot stand the windows style taskbar, it's... you get the idea...
Thanks
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
title says it all, increased MaxClients to 800. but looks like they are quickly being used. :-)
http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ - it's small it's efficient and blazingly fast and it looks good (the few bits you see).
Try it, you'll love it!
KAudioCreator is an audio file creation solution for kde. It allows you to use whatever encoder you wish to encode your audio files while providing a comfortable gui. KAudioCreator also provides a job control system so you can see what files have succeeded, failed and stop or cancel jobs as the application progresses.
Screenshots!
and for those kde 2 users I have back ported it to kde2 and put it on my webpage. -Benjamin Meyer
Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
How much memory does it take to run KDE nowadays? It seems to be keeping pace with Winblows (NTM) as a prime example of bloatware.
Alpha Channel / Transparency
Genie effect or equally impressive effects.
They seriously need to get 4-5 developers working on a project with just THAT specific purpose, of improving the eyecandy in KDE. OR maybe someone like Lindows can fund development of xfree86's render extention.
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We need more eyecandy if KDE is supposed to ever be better than OSX or even XP, better icon animation (its a good start but improve on it and make it more useful)
Alpha channel, so we can have a alpha channeled kicker and panel
Some cool special effects, like genie effect or even motion blur,
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If you're just after the eye candy, you can download a srpm of the keramik theme here:
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http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21
or a tarball here:
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21
KDE now wants to look like a cross between XP and OSX.
Which is fine if you like that I guess.
The PaperKlip.
This is a software agent that determines what kind of task you're trying to do, pops up, and provides "helpful" advice. Like the MS Office Paperclip agent, the advice isn't that great, and it's a HUGE burden on resources. Unlike the MS Office Paperclip agent, it provides "helpful" advice for the ENTIRE KDE project.
Mandrake users will love it; Debian users will want to destroy the author on sight. The author will show up to LUG meetings with a fake beard and sunglasses.
Finding God in a Dog
I'm sorry but KDE has a long long way to go before impressing anyone with its eye candy.
why even bother showing off eye candy when its just drop shadows or anti aliased fonts,
The animated icons was a good start, they should improve that so for example you can take a gaim icon or instant message icon from your desktop and put it on your panel somewhere and when you get a msg it animates, or when its on your desktop and you get a msg it animates.
When you put a Cd in the CD drive, the CD icon should appear and begin to spin, to animate whats happenining. Basically they should let our actions influence the animations, more so than just a random animation when you put your mouse over it. Maybe an animation when you actually click it, or if you modify a folder somehow like lock or unlock it, the animation should occur with the lock being slapped on the folder.
Animations is something that OSX and XP does not do, so why not improve that?
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When most of its bugs are quashed. Until then, it's more of a pain in the ass than it is half the adjectives you used to describe it, and not worth the pain trying to install.
"On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog!" - a dog
KDE stands for: (The) Kalle Dalheimer Experience ;)
ghobe' bIlughbe' ji-bIlugh Klingon Desktop Environment
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Pleased to see that a lot of linux users are starting to like KDE now. I've been using it on my desktop for about a year and a half. It used to be ugly, but with the liquid theme my computer looks gorgeous! (Yes, I'm afraid I like my computer to look good. Sorry TWM fans. Although I remember first loading up X on my 486 and being really impressed that it looked just like X on university Solaris boxes...)
First, we should be able to set the max framerate of the animations.
Second developers should be able to create animations so programs illustrate our actions.
You put a CD in your CD rom and its a game CD, you should see maybe a little light or flash on the desktop which turns into a little spinning CD, if the game programmers wrote an animation for their icon, the doom CD could have an animated icon of the devil or whatever.
Or you could set it up so when you run a program the icon animate.
When you burn a CD a spinning burning CD animation could appear, why would this be useful? someone who doesnt know a damn thing about computers could look at that burning spinning Cd icon and know what the computer is doing without opening up any programs.
Animation is what seperates OSX from linux, the genie effect, alpha channeling, that extra level of overkill eyecandy is what people want and need for ease of use.
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I can only see glimpses of the backgrounds in the last 6 screenshots, but they rock! Any one have any idea where I can grab them (besides checking out the KDE tree...)????
IF you say its a video card issue, how about improving the animated icons, I'm not talking about going overboard, but allowing the user to decide the frame rate, allowing our actions to decide the animations of an icon, so an icon can have several diffrent animations, cd icon should have a music cd animation, a burning cd animation for burning, a game cd animation, a dvd movie animation, so anyone who doesnt know computers can understand what is going on by looking at the icon animate.
I'm talking about improving the animation in terms of frames per second,, doing that would do alot for eyecandy and ease of use, if its done right.
Xfree can support this, people have the ram to do it, and the cpu power but if they dont, they should be able to decide the frame rate just like the decide the icon sizes.
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Anybody know what graphics editor is used to create the icons and other graphics in KDE? The Gimp?
Wasn't KDE 3.1 supposed to bring SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) icons / wigets? That'd be so shweeeet...
-- It's always darker before it goes pitch black.
This is an older, buggier version than in the alpha. Don't complaint if e.g. buttons on webpages are missing.
I really wish they would give less priority to dollying up the interface and putting more effort into stability.
Last night when I was sorting through some archive folders on my hard drive the konqueror segfaulted on me no less than three times within an hour; and that was just doing bog-standard folder move and delete operations!!!
Until such show-stoppers like this are rectified, kde CANNOT become a viable alternative to a bash prompt.
Also I would like the ability to control exactly what needs to be double-clicked (desktop icons, konqueror objects) and what doesn't (menu branches), but that's just me.
"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
The Slashdot community doesn't help. After all, all "the Slashdot community" does is flaming, trolling, bitching about how *BSD is dead, and advertising for goatse.cx.
Have you ever seen how many posts are moderated -1? And how many users *only* have posts that are -1? "A lot" is an understatement.
You guys are so fucking stupid...getting so angry over an obvious troll...heh...what a bunch of fucking 15-year-old slashbot tools you are.
I can tell you have spent zero time w/MacOSX. /. just complain about copycats, especially when MS takes an idea....ahem...innovates, yet have no problems taking from anywhere they please when it suits them (just look at themes/liquid, tabbed apps from BeOS YEARS ago, etc). Funny....most zealots 'round here wear their "individuality" around here like a badge of courage, but after a bit, you all look and sound alike anyway....emulation is the sincerest form of flattery.
It's more than just looks, pal. Take my word, it does feel different. Some parts will take getting used to (most complaints are from people who instantl;y start using it like win/kde/wm/whatever and then bitch cause it doesn't imitate their other WM's down to every detail...pretty myopic if you ask me), but some parts will definitely feel better to you after time, and some may never change.
I'm just trying to say it's not just look, but feel. Don't discount that unless you have spent a fair amount of time learning (not just using) MacOSX. Seems most people here at
OK, this is objective opinion. Why don't you all just check out the best looking desktop there is! I've also got Mac, but I got to admit, this beats it all the way.
If you think that KDE 3 has a higher memory footprint than KDE 2.whatever, i'd advise you to do some measurements. It has dropped since then. Of course, you can't expect KDE to be as lightweight as stuff like twm, but that's only normal, right ?
PS. if you don't like it, start a lightweight version of KDE by throwing all features out. I think i read about someone doing something like this for Qt/Embedded...
cheers
domi
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not mine, see parent..I can't say as I use a Mac
instead of complaining?
Hope this helps =}
Mod this guys post up.... the "over rated" mod (twice) is unfair.... A 10+ post discussion speaks to that.
you're entitled to your own opinion..uggh I say
I told some Linux zealots about this before, but no one seems to care... what about FONTS?! Why is text on Linux so ugly? Forget AAsing, the fonts are just plain UGLY. Why? Is it so hard to draw new ones and include them? I feel forced to use M$'s Tahoma on my KDE3 desktop and it finally looks great. Why? WHY? :)
Yawn --- WinME RulZ.
If you have to ask how much memory KDE uses, how the fuck can you claim it's bloatware when you clearly haven't got a clue?
Hummmm .. is this what they call proprietary software, cause only the proprieters can use it ??? What's that you say -- not another leaky M$ beta? How can a Lusr tell the difference? Oh yeah thanks, so it's free also ...
The improvement in useabllity in XP is in the low end user land. For power users, the new usability is just in the way. But as you said it can all be turned off again if you know what you are doing (and a power user should know what they are doing).
As far as power user tools, there are about 10,000 GUI/Desktop enhancement programs available for windows from free to cheap. If... you.... just... look for a minute or two. I mean, that shouldn;t be beyond the capability of a power user should it?
Sorry, pad're the Deb-folks have just recoded DOS_6.22 and are trying to get the batch-files running. See ya next year.
It's entirely right.
If you don't want to ride the cutting edge on your work desktop, I'd suggest those of you running Red Hat should install apt and add the following to your sources.list:
rpm http://www.math.unl.edu/linux/redhat/apt 7.2/i386 kde3
This guy has packaged KDE 3.02 for Red Hat 7.3, but more to the point, also a bunch of useful apps from apps.kde.com, including KRFB (the desktop sharing app) and, IIRC, the samba / nfs right-click file sharing Konqueror plugins.
This seems to be another case of copying Microsoft again. They've bundled a remote desktop viewer tool, and now KDE has it. Why can't people integrate some of the cooler stuff before MS? Yes, you could do some of this before, with much setup, but it's going to be point-and-click, and MS beats people to 'point-and-click' implementations usually.
Here's something I've seen people BEGGING for in Konqueror and Mozilla - file upload progress bars in the browser. How much do we want to bet that MS will put that in IE7, THEN konqueror or mozilla will implement it poorly 6 months later?
creation science book
Oh my god! It's an OS X like GUI that runs on Linux. The desktop issue that Linux always had has been solved! Right On, we knew it was bound to happen, but the desktop is finally better than Mac and Windows.
Here's the screenshots link that someone posted already in this thread.
http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/users/tom/kde31alpha/
I just got a MAC with OS X and I think it rules. Now KDE is moving in that direction. I love it!
I never found the windowlist thing before, dunno why. Seems to work just fine though, so I at least got my answer ;)
Anyway, when 3.1 is released, or at least in beta, I'll give it a try again. FWIW, I do have KDE 3.0.x installed on my work machine, along with Gnome 2.0(which I find to be somewhat problematic, but has potential). I like to use my office machine to test stuff out on, no sense wasting my time at home ;)
KDE is looking better and better, so the reasons I stopped using it are getting fixed (at least IMO). However, one thing I dislike about KDE is that it's built on the QT widget set, which I have no interest in using at it's GPL, instead of LGPL like GTK. I want the freedom to be able to develop commercial software for my desktop of choice, but to be honest I have more interest in developing free(beer and open) software...
I'm rambling, I'll stop. FWIW, I wasn't complaining, just griping... or something.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Linux IS 2/3 superior to windows according to your criteria or rather KDE is.
All hints apply to KDE-3.0.2, KDE-3.1a1 is still a little too flaky (usable, but annoying at times).
To get number 1:
Kcontrol->LooknFeel->Window Settings
Set "Inactive inner Window": Left mouse button to "Activate and pass click". (Default is "Activate, Raise and pass click".)
OK I have no idea about number 2
To get number 3:
Alt+Leftclick on the window moves it in kwin without raising it.
Moritz
Facism is socialist, too. Mussolini was the disciple of a big-time Italian socialist journalist and never disavowed socialism. He and Hitler thought that socialism and communism were too globalistic, though. That is essentially the difference between s&c are universalistic whereas n&f are regionalistic or racialist.
You don't need to be a genius to upgrade KDE. I'm relatively new to KDE/Linux and have upgraded KDE twice simply by downloading all the RPMs and then dropping them into KPackage. It tells me what I need to download. The whole system works like a charm.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems unless a total rewrite of a codebase is done the bad seems to simply stick around. Adding to the bloat.
-- taking over the world, we are.
If you're sure about this, why not enter KDE's mailing list and drop a note? I don't have such knowledge or I'd do myself.
Or, if you're not in the mood, why not scribbling some notes in a comment right here?
I'm concerned about comments on KDE people overwhelmed with mail, but KDE is their child... I bet they are not cutting corners on it.
You say where things could go faster and someone who knows them could forward the comment to them.
All of sudden, KDE would start to run lighter and you started the ball running... What do you think?
Isn't WinME a newer version of that Win9x crashosaurus?
This guy's got 2 for one word?
Please mod the parent +5, insightful!
PS: Yeah, I know, somebody already explained that's just the way th e points system works for guys with great kharma, but still...
First select news story.
Then change threshold to 0 (-1 sucks) and nested.
Then find "coward".
Then keep reading and pressing find next.
The best is hidden.
And you could jot down some warning message just to be more user-friendly...
"Hey, I get the feeling that you are not willing to use me. Do you want me to turn off and not start-up next time you use KDE?
You can always reactivate me by choosing K/Settings..."
Funny, eh?
KDE is cool!
Hanzosan: But what if it had icon animations?
X can be better used to render even faster...
Hanzosan: Imagine it with icon animations.
What else could we put to make more gorgeous?
Hanzosan: We could do icon animations.
What about some hot sex tonight, Hanzochan?
Hanzosan: I'd love, honey, but could we do it with icon animations?
But what if we add some icon animations to it?
A CD might add some spin to your desktop.
And if you're onto burning CDs, why not a diminute John Silver with a tiny little parrot in his shoulder?
That would sure make the headlines!
Here, I had my hopes up that something like CoolEdit had come to Linux. There are no professional wave editors for Linux.
KRipAudio would've been a nicer name.
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
I have installed the package on my Solaris machine, but I have no idea how to hook it up so that it shows up in my list of possible desktop environments upon login. Are there any instructions for this on the web anywhere?
Didn't that start from a post by a KDE-developer where he complained Israels policy regarding palestinians? So disagreeing with Israel = Nazi?
And weren't there some anti-black comments found in Debian? They were put there by one of the devels. Does that mean that Debian is racist?
And what about socialism? It's just a political/economic system, just like capitalism is. It's not evil, just like capitalism is not evil.
Last time I checked, we still have freedom of speech
Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
Well I just wait for the rpms to come out for my distro, then I download them all and type:
as root
urpmi *
and away it goes, even asks you for your cd's if it needs a file or library.
dont know which rpm to install first? easy, put them all in the same directory, then type (as root)
urpmi *
it will install them in the correct order, and even ask you for a cd if its missing libraries etc.
QT-ugly-fucker...i'd rather use GNU rather than trollcrap products dicksucker.
Just one thing: does it support no-click ripping? The one reason I kludged together my own script is that all the other programs I tried required me to dig up the window and click something just to say I actually wanted to rip the CD I just put in. When you're doing 10 in a row, that's really annoying.
use constant PERL_IS_BROKEN => $] >= 5.006;
You can poke around on kde.org to verify what I'm saying. Many features such as SVG icons, tabbed browsing, most of the games, etc. were planned for 3.0 but the developers of these apps didn't have them ready in time for the freeze. They were then told to ready their code for the 3.1 release.
I don't really like having to go all the way up to the top for a task list. Instead, I use the KDE default to middle click on the desktop to pop up the task menu.
Hello Big Dogs Cock
Since you managed to achieve a karma capped account and you're looking for creative ways to burn karma, I'd appreciate if you post a link to this thing in various stories, in order to increase the attention of the slashdot chicks.
Thank you very much.
Slashdot community, please notice: I am looking for a girlfriend.
Nave H. Weiss
Thank you very much. Being sort of a n00b, all of these little tips are great help! Thank you!