Interesting analogy, but there's no way you can design a Porsche so as to enable both Mario Andretti and Aunt Tillie to both have the best possible driving experience.
And yes I know KHTML is in Safari, and no I don't really think it really has that much meaning for KDE users
Probably because you aren't a KDE user and don't know any better. Apple's involvement and code contributions have made for a much better, faster browser. Before 3.2, I needed Mozilla installed as a fallback for troublesome sites but it's not on my system now - KHTML has gotten that good, and of course it's got much less of a memory footprint than the alternatives.
My company bought me a first generation Newton when they came out and sent me to developer school for them - I prototyped a neat real estate app for them.
Anyway, it (and the MP2000 I use today) are still great PDAs - does everything I need it to do with a lot of thoughtfulness in terms of UI design. Best of all, in the 10 years I have had it, I have never once lost a single piece of data on the system - never restored a backup either!
Good point, but there has been so much smoke and brimstone over his "issues" that an actual, measurable metric to see how many don't like the situation could be helpful. I can't see how a button order change could take more than a week to get over, but something must be upsetting them based on the number of ex-GNOMErs I see using KDE.
If a large number of people start using these patches, then perhaps the RedHat/Sun/Novell corporate types leading the GNOME project these days may rethink top-down "shut up, we know whats good for you" decision making. If GoneME vanishes without leaving a trace, we'll learn something about how much smoke a few arsonists can create out of trivialities.
He's been complaining about GNOME post 1.4 for a long while, mostly on OSNews. I have no idea if the fork will succeed, but at least he's putting his money (time, code, effort) where his mouth has been.
And if I hear one more KDE user complaining about Gnome's slowness, I'm gonna be confused. Wait, I'm confused already. EVERYTHING about KDE and Qt is slow. One of Gnome's plusses is that Gtk is very snappy- and so therefore is Gnome.
I'm a KDE user myself (having last used GNOME at 1.4). After seeing so much discussion of spatial nautilus, I installed GNOME and lived with it for a week. I liked spatial, but KDE 3.2 is quite a bit snappier than GNOME 2.6. I didn't look into the reasons myself, but I have read that it's due to Gtk changes in recent years.
All the other things I don't like about GNOME are still there but discussing them would be -1 troll, so...
Just for next time (even though, after repeated frustrating fuckwits like yourself insulting me rather than helping me) just in case I do actually reboot into Linux again, to enjoy the non-productivity, how do I save my crash information so that I can shove it down your throat, you smug arrogant prick?
You are being flamed (among other reasons) because anyone having kernel panics would know how to save and report dump information (hint: you will know you've had a panic because the log in/var/log/messages will say so at the same time it prints out the dump information).
Assuming you're not a troll, you have other problems (most likely hardware-related) and/or overestimate your "not a newbie" status. If so, install the current version of your favorite distro, reproduce the problem, and ask for help on the distro's users mailing list. I bet it'll get solved quickly unless you're using blacklisted or problematic hardware (I know you say not, but most likely it is the cause).
If you want to solve the problem without provoking flames, read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html first.
I think you are a flat out liar. Post your panic dumps.
I know dozens of people using Linux over the last five years on different machine types and kernel panics have never happened to any of them, on any mainstream distro. I'm not saying panics don't happen but your claims aren't even remotely reasonable.
Me too - the first thing from Gnome that I've ever liked. It's even better than my memories of the MacOS 8.6 finder (Spatial Nautilus' inspiration, I assume).
From what I have read elsewhere and this article, I suspect that anyone imprinted on the MS explorer browser-style navigation will hate it and find it hard to use with the deeply nested directory structure they are used to.
If you publish and the PTO later declines to grant a Big Company a patent because of your prior art
This step doesn't happen. Either the "Big Company" has to tell the PTO about the publication (they won't), or the examiner has to be independently aware of the publication (they won't be).
Won't help even a little bit. A big company can lean so hard with very expensive depositions, motions, etc. that you will never be able to reach the point of determining a "loser".
These already exist. They're called publications. Once you've published something, nobody else can patent it (and you can't either, once a one-year time limit expires).
Dream on. It might work in some alternative universe, but in this one it only applies if you have the $$$ to contest the issue in court. Against a Microsoft, IBM, or IP litigation factory, you don't have a chance even if you are totally in the right.
The problem is that Sun wants the free/open community to link arms with them under the "enemy of my enemy" theory.
This would be a mistake on our part, because Sun is nothing more than a less-competent version of Microsoft - they'd like nothing more than to be just like them, innovation-crushing monopoly and all.
Many here don't realize that they do not share the goals of the free/open community and haven't done anything for the open/free community except to help Sun achieve that ambition.
I'm huge Redhat fan (I run SuSE), but they consistently live the values of the free/open community and make money (lots more than Sun at this point) at the same time.
Marketdroidspeak again. Linux clusters have been a pretty common technique here for many (10?) years. Back then, you could call a bubble sort algorithm "research" if you ran it on a beowulf.
I wonder how many more FPS I could out of my video card with one of these attached.
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Based on my experience switching from RH to SuSE at RH8, I would say it's crap. I had to change perhaps 5 lines in various admin scripts in our beowulf.
After the RH 8 - KDE (I'll be kind and call it a controversy) stuff a few years ago, I switched all our dev boxes and the beowulf to SuSE. Not much learning curve, and I think SuSE rolls a more stable system overall. So, if Novell screws up somehow...no big deal.
I would almost suggest you switch just to demonstrate to yourself how few issues there are between Distros.
I think the XOrg codebase is pretty much the last pre-license-change (4.4rc2) release, plus work done by the folks recently run out of XFree86 by Dawes.
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Interesting analogy, but there's no way you can design a Porsche so as to enable both Mario Andretti and Aunt Tillie to both have the best possible driving experience.
And yes I know KHTML is in Safari, and no I don't really think it really has that much meaning for KDE users
Probably because you aren't a KDE user and don't know any better. Apple's involvement and code contributions have made for a much better, faster browser. Before 3.2, I needed Mozilla installed as a fallback for troublesome sites but it's not on my system now - KHTML has gotten that good, and of course it's got much less of a memory footprint than the alternatives.
My company bought me a first generation Newton when they came out and sent me to developer school for them - I prototyped a neat real estate app for them.
Anyway, it (and the MP2000 I use today) are still great PDAs - does everything I need it to do with a lot of thoughtfulness in terms of UI design. Best of all, in the 10 years I have had it, I have never once lost a single piece of data on the system - never restored a backup either!
It was also a blast to write code for.
A house divided.
Good point, but there has been so much smoke and brimstone over his "issues" that an actual, measurable metric to see how many don't like the situation could be helpful. I can't see how a button order change could take more than a week to get over, but something must be upsetting them based on the number of ex-GNOMErs I see using KDE.
If a large number of people start using these patches, then perhaps the RedHat/Sun/Novell corporate types leading the GNOME project these days may rethink top-down "shut up, we know whats good for you" decision making. If GoneME vanishes without leaving a trace, we'll learn something about how much smoke a few arsonists can create out of trivialities.
This is that oGalaxy guy, right?
He's been complaining about GNOME post 1.4 for a long while, mostly on OSNews. I have no idea if the fork will succeed, but at least he's putting his money (time, code, effort) where his mouth has been.
And if I hear one more KDE user complaining about Gnome's slowness, I'm gonna be confused. Wait, I'm confused already. EVERYTHING about KDE and Qt is slow. One of Gnome's plusses is that Gtk is very snappy- and so therefore is Gnome.
I'm a KDE user myself (having last used GNOME at 1.4). After seeing so much discussion of spatial nautilus, I installed GNOME and lived with it for a week. I liked spatial, but KDE 3.2 is quite a bit snappier than GNOME 2.6. I didn't look into the reasons myself, but I have read that it's due to Gtk changes in recent years.
All the other things I don't like about GNOME are still there but discussing them would be -1 troll, so...
Just for next time (even though, after repeated frustrating fuckwits like yourself insulting me rather than helping me) just in case I do actually reboot into Linux again, to enjoy the non-productivity, how do I save my crash information so that I can shove it down your throat, you smug arrogant prick?
/var/log/messages will say so at the same time it prints out the dump information).
l first.
You are being flamed (among other reasons) because anyone having kernel panics would know how to save and report dump information (hint: you will know you've had a panic because the log in
Assuming you're not a troll, you have other problems (most likely hardware-related) and/or overestimate your "not a newbie" status. If so, install the current version of your favorite distro, reproduce the problem, and ask for help on the distro's users mailing list. I bet it'll get solved quickly unless you're using blacklisted or problematic hardware (I know you say not, but most likely it is the cause).
If you want to solve the problem without provoking flames, read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.htm
I think you are a flat out liar. Post your panic dumps.
I know dozens of people using Linux over the last five years on different machine types and kernel panics have never happened to any of them, on any mainstream distro. I'm not saying panics don't happen but your claims aren't even remotely reasonable.
I quite like spatial mode
Me too - the first thing from Gnome that I've ever liked. It's even better than my memories of the MacOS 8.6 finder (Spatial Nautilus' inspiration, I assume).
From what I have read elsewhere and this article, I suspect that anyone imprinted on the MS explorer browser-style navigation will hate it and find it hard to use with the deeply nested directory structure they are used to.
Nothing. Because they _both_ ripped off Konfabulator.
and Java applications do not conform to the Linux GUI look and feel.
From what I can tell, neither does Mono since I use KDE. I doubt there is a believable case that >50% of Linux desktops use Gnome...
Troll?!? WTF?!? Slashdot giving out extra mod points to the Sun cheering section today?
This post is informative, and in line with my recent experiences with Solaris except I never tried Debian...
If you publish and the PTO later declines to grant a Big Company a patent because of your prior art
This step doesn't happen. Either the "Big Company" has to tell the PTO about the publication (they won't), or the examiner has to be independently aware of the publication (they won't be).
Won't help even a little bit. A big company can lean so hard with very expensive depositions, motions, etc. that you will never be able to reach the point of determining a "loser".
These already exist. They're called publications. Once you've published something, nobody else can patent it (and you can't either, once a one-year time limit expires).
Dream on. It might work in some alternative universe, but in this one it only applies if you have the $$$ to contest the issue in court. Against a Microsoft, IBM, or IP litigation factory, you don't have a chance even if you are totally in the right.
You've put it very well.
The problem is that Sun wants the free/open community to link arms with them under the "enemy of my enemy" theory.
This would be a mistake on our part, because Sun is nothing more than a less-competent version of Microsoft - they'd like nothing more than to be just like them, innovation-crushing monopoly and all.
Many here don't realize that they do not share the goals of the free/open community and haven't done anything for the open/free community except to help Sun achieve that ambition.
I'm huge Redhat fan (I run SuSE), but they consistently live the values of the free/open community and make money (lots more than Sun at this point) at the same time.
Marketdroidspeak again. Linux clusters have been a pretty common technique here for many (10?) years. Back then, you could call a bubble sort algorithm "research" if you ran it on a beowulf.
Sorry - I didn't make myself clear. It's software with the purpose of facilitating violation of copyright and Apple's TOS.
I'm no fan of DRM, but when you agree to Apple's TOS for their service, you agree to get screwed by their restrictions.
This is copyright violation.
I wonder how many more FPS I could out of my video card with one of these attached.
Based on my experience switching from RH to SuSE at RH8, I would say it's crap. I had to change perhaps 5 lines in various admin scripts in our beowulf.
None of the C/C++/Java code changed at all.
After the RH 8 - KDE (I'll be kind and call it a controversy) stuff a few years ago, I switched all our dev boxes and the beowulf to SuSE. Not much learning curve, and I think SuSE rolls a more stable system overall. So, if Novell screws up somehow...no big deal.
I would almost suggest you switch just to demonstrate to yourself how few issues there are between Distros.
thousands of Java technology-based applications
I'd like a list of the "thousands" of Java apps that any purchaser of this system would want to run.
I think the XOrg codebase is pretty much the last pre-license-change (4.4rc2) release, plus work done by the folks recently run out of XFree86 by Dawes.