And I say it's the proprietary drivers that are preventing them from doing it. Depending on proprietary drivers is bad, mmmmkay? And this case demonstrates the point quite well.
PS3 is a very expensive console. $599 or $699. That's a lot of money for a console. Now, what Sony should do is to provide a lot of functionlaity for that money. What could they do?
a) Make it a good DVD/Blu-Ray player. Yes, PS2 and Xbox can play back DVD's. But they are not very good at it. Make the PS3 actually a good DVD-player, and consumers have no reason to buy a separate DVD-player.
b) Make it a computer. People still need computers. And while Cell might not be ideal for general-purpose computing, it should still be fast enough. So put Linux in the PS3, make it easy for the consumer to use it. They could use it for email, surfing, word-processing and the like. So the consumer has no need to buy a separate computer that costs several hundred dollars. And, this way Sony can attack Microsoft on it's home-turf. If the PS3-Computer" fails, no big deal. If it succeeds, it hurts MS where it counts (Widnows and Office. Less money to put to their console-business).
If sony does thosetwo things, they could say (truthfully) that Why buy a console that costs 499 dollars, and then buy a computer that costs 699 dollars and DVD-player that costs 109 sollars, when you could jsut buy a PS3 for 699 dollars and be done with it?
Unless we find a solution that wont kill poor countries people because of capitalism terrorism will not go away
Did you know that that "exploitation" has been increasing the standards of living and reducing poverty in those third-world countries? Would it be better if we just shut down the factiories and laid-off the workers? I mean, then we wouldn't be "exploiting" them anymore?
And last time I checked, the terrorists seem to come from countries like Egypt, Saudi-Arabia and the like, and they are not that poor. The countries that are being "exploited" by capitalists are Vietnam, China, Bulgaria and the like. And I haven't seen many terrorists from those countries.
Unfortunately, it took the fall of two buildings before our government got its ass into gear to prevent further attacks.
And since there has been no terrorist-attacks since that time in USA, it means that the policies of the administration are working? Couldn't it also be said that my magic rock is preventing those attacks? I mean, you don't see any terrorists around here, do you?
US foreign policy has NOTHING to do with it.
Heh, dream on. USA supported the Shah, a brutal dictator. then his subjects had enough, and instigated an islamic revolution. And the revolutionaries naturally ahted the USA because they had been supporting the Shah. Yet you now claim that "US foreign policy has NOTHING to do with it"?????
Might DOES make right.
At the risk of invoking Godins law.... Was Nazi-Germany justified in their invasion of Poland? I mean, they were more powerful than Poland was. How about their invasion of France, Denmark and Yugoslavia? Did they have the right to gas the jews, since they were more powerful than the jews were? Remember: Might makes it right.
That's a load of BS. It doesn't need futher comment.
Um, no it isn't and burying your head in the sand does not change that fact. September 11, 1973. The Shah was already mentioned.
After reading your comment, I think it's safe to say that the propaganda works well on you.
I hope they spend more time on the script this time.
Johanna Sinisalo, author of "Not Before Sundown" is apparently helping out with the script.
I find it rather strange that you complain about the script and acting of "In the Pirkinning". Remember: these guys were amateurs. Of course if you compare their performance to "real" actors, their skills will fall short, period. That said, the movie was still very, very good and funny.
You might want to read up on the Data Retention Directive.
I know about that directive. And it proves that Europe is less free than USA how exactly? Yes, there are crappy things in Europe (like that directive). But there are lots of crappy things in USA as well (arrests without crime, wiretapping etc.)
What do I think is the saddest thing in the situation in USA? It's that huge number of people know deep down, that what the government is doing is illegal, wrong and against the constitution. And they are not doing a thing to stop it.
What I've always found curious in these discussions where Europeans start babbling on about the ignorance-filled American dystopia. America, despite the NSA wiretapping and call database, is still eons ahead of most of Europe in terms of government intrusion.
Is it, really? And you DO realize that Europe is not a single entity, it has quite a few countries in it? In USA we now have large-scale illegal wiretapping by the government. In USA the government can throw you to jail without accusing you of a crime. They also monitor what you have for dinner abour airplanes, in case you are "suspicious". You are fingerprinted and photographed. And the government is telling you who you can and can't marry.
I'm from Finland, and any of that simply does not happen here. No, really. it doesn't. Well, there was a case when one telecom-company wiretapped handful of their own emplyees, and it caused a HUGE scandal over here, and lots of people were dragged to court.
I'm not saying that USA is some kind of Orwellian dystopia. But I find it quite surprising that Americans seem to think that as far as "freedom" is concerned, USA is way ahead of Europe. I guess it's easier for the government to strip the citizens of their rights if they are made to think that "you are still a lot more "free" than Europeans are!"
Last time I checked the 911-attacks (the only such terrorist-attacks to happen in USA) had no connetion to Iraq. So I don't really see how fighting in Iraq makes Americans somehow "safe".
If you have knowledge of other terrorist-attacks in USA besides 911, and that were somehow related to Iraq, I'm all ears.
I'm not a console-gamer (well, I do have a Philips Videopak that I got as a kid, and it still works). I prefer gaming on the PC. And I have all but decided to buy Wii. Xbox and PS3? Yawn. Where is the innovation? Its pretty obvious that they are the exact same thing as the previous generation was. They just bumbed the specs and called it a day. Sure, they like to call their system "revolutionary". But they are evolutionary at best. They have more RAM, beefier CPU's, more pixels, more polygons... And none of those are in any shape or form "revolutionary".
Now, the Wii on the other hand.... Yes, Nintendo has upped the specs when compared to GameCube. But they are actually trying to do something new here. And I applaud them for it. Wii wont replace PC as my gaming-platfom, it will supplement it. Games on Wii will be really different when compared to the games on PC. Hell, I could see my wife getting interested in Wii, and she's NOT a gamer.
They switched kernels AGAIN? First they worked on the Mach. then they decided that Mach is crap, and moved to L4 instead. And now they dropped L4 and moved to Coyotos.
No wonder that they never get it finished, since every two years they seem to drop their current work, and move on to something "better".
As in you got very hyper about what is basically a routine corporate legal matter that just happens to involve a company beloved by many fanboys.
Mac-fanboys are propably the worst type of fanboys in existence. And I'm not one of them. I do get very annoyed when I see a useless company sue some rich entity just to earn a quick buck. And that is IMO EXACTLY what we have here. I find it quite strange that you accuse me of "spaz attack", when you go out of your way to defend Apple Corps.
And like I said before: What Apple Computer has done or not done is 100% irrelevant to the merits of this case. This case needs to stand on it's own legs. And unfortunately for Apple Corps, this case has no legs to stand on.
Take a few moments and remove the earplugs from your ipod and think a few minutes before you start pressing keys on your apple pc.
I do own an iPod, but this computer is a self-built tower-PC running Ubuntu. In fact, I have no OS X-systems in my household. I did have a Mac Mini, and I was about to sell it. But then I decided to turn in in to a server running Fedora Core. So what was your point again? Does the fact that I have a piece of hardware that is made by Apple Computer, somehow mean that I'm a "Apple fanboi"? Well, my monitor is made by Huyndai, does that mean that I'm a "Hyundai fanboi"? My mouse and keyboard are made by Logitech, am I a "Logitech fanboi"? No and no.
Your comment made me laugh, it was funny, so typical for fanbois
Your comment made me laugh. "fanboi"? I don't give a flying fuck about Apple (either of them). Are you a fucking moron or something? If someone think that this lawsuit was nothing but a desperate attempt to grab some money from Apple Computer, that means that the person is a "Apple fanboi"?
Newsflash: I don't care one bit about Apple Computers.
Even you admit that it hinged on a point of interpretation. Put yourself in Apple Corp's shoes and it's quite easy to see how they believed they had a case and weren't simply being "money-hungry".
No, I see them as nothing but money-hungry. Maybe, MAYBE they MIGHT have somekind of case if Apple Corps actually DID something. But they do jack shit. They just sit there and try to find yet another excuse to try rip some money from Apple Computers.
Oh, and I guarantee that if you were to start a business with "Apple" in the name that even had the slightest theoretical overlap with Apple Computer, they would do everything in their power to stomp you.
And that relevant... how, exactly? Is this a case of "Apple Computer acts like a bunch of assholes now and then, therefore this lawsuit against them was justified!"?
Your sudden concern about Ringos fortune is just ridiculous when the computer Apple has been suing people in a pace only rivaled by F1 cars.
What Apple Computer has done is irrelevant. Fact remains that Apple Corps is just a bunch of money-hungry morons. Have they actually DONE anything relevant lately? Apart from suing Apple Computer that is?
And as far as I know, Apple (the record company) was started way before Apple (the computer company)
So fucking what? Fact remains that these lawsuits have been moronic right from the start. "OMG, Apple Computer is selling devices that can play back music! OMG, they are selling music to consumers! Since we all know that Apple Corps have the sole right to everything related to sound and music, we must therefore sue Apple Computer for bajillion dollars!". Yes, Apple Computer agreed to stay out of "music-business". But last time I checked, selling music to consumers does not equal "music-business". Retail-business, maybe.
Linux on SGI's MIPS workstations is already pretty usable.
Hi Kumba, long time no see:). Anyway, I wouldn't call Linux on SGI's workstations "usable". It may work well on some machines, but some are very hard to get working at all. And the latesst models (Tezro and Fuel) are right out of the question. I have been to the gentoo-forums, and I have seen people struggle with Linux-MIPS. When the users can pick just about any SGI-workstation and expect to be able to use Linux there (and in such way that it actually works), then we could say that it's "usable". Right now it's usable on some specific machines. And even some of those machines require patches and hacking in order to get them to work.
Well, if current kernels are "ships before compartmentalisation", then microkernels are something like car-engines that are broken down to tiny bits. Everything is a separate part, and it works just as well.
I wouldn't give much credit to metaphors. Even when they are said by Andrew "Broken Record" Tanenbaum.
Bullshit. Apple Corps see Apple Computers as a tool for making money. Yes, Apple Computer has agreed not to enter the music business. But is selling mp3-players and music "being in the music-business"? No. Selling mp3-players means that they are in the consumer-electronics business. Selling songs means that they are in the retail-business (although their "store" is in the internet). If they actually PUBLISHED music, then they would be in the "music business".
Average person does not even know what "Apple Corps" is. They are furiously protecting something that they don't even have. When was the last time Apple Corps has actually DONE something, apart from basking in former glory and suing Apple Computer?
I hope that someone will buy their MIPS-based workstation-business. What I would like to see is for someone to take that business, beef it up a bit, and port the whole lineup to Linux. I would say that there would be a sizeable market for quality MIPS-workstations that run Linux.
How about.... HyperTransport-links between CPU's, integrated mem-controllers, on-die L2-caches, HTX-expansion, multicore, multi-CPU-setups. All this, and running Linux. Hell, those changes alone would give us a nice boost, even if the CPU-core (R16000A IIRC) itself stayed relatively same.
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And I say it's the proprietary drivers that are preventing them from doing it. Depending on proprietary drivers is bad, mmmmkay? And this case demonstrates the point quite well.
So you are "enlightened to the truth", but you just choose to ignore it? gotcha.
IIRC, the 911-terrorists got to USA through legal means, so the things you mentioned would not ahve stopped the attacks.
PS3 is a very expensive console. $599 or $699. That's a lot of money for a console. Now, what Sony should do is to provide a lot of functionlaity for that money. What could they do?
a) Make it a good DVD/Blu-Ray player. Yes, PS2 and Xbox can play back DVD's. But they are not very good at it. Make the PS3 actually a good DVD-player, and consumers have no reason to buy a separate DVD-player.
b) Make it a computer. People still need computers. And while Cell might not be ideal for general-purpose computing, it should still be fast enough. So put Linux in the PS3, make it easy for the consumer to use it. They could use it for email, surfing, word-processing and the like. So the consumer has no need to buy a separate computer that costs several hundred dollars. And, this way Sony can attack Microsoft on it's home-turf. If the PS3-Computer" fails, no big deal. If it succeeds, it hurts MS where it counts (Widnows and Office. Less money to put to their console-business).
If sony does thosetwo things, they could say (truthfully) that Why buy a console that costs 499 dollars, and then buy a computer that costs 699 dollars and DVD-player that costs 109 sollars, when you could jsut buy a PS3 for 699 dollars and be done with it?
Did you know that that "exploitation" has been increasing the standards of living and reducing poverty in those third-world countries? Would it be better if we just shut down the factiories and laid-off the workers? I mean, then we wouldn't be "exploiting" them anymore?
And last time I checked, the terrorists seem to come from countries like Egypt, Saudi-Arabia and the like, and they are not that poor. The countries that are being "exploited" by capitalists are Vietnam, China, Bulgaria and the like. And I haven't seen many terrorists from those countries.
And since there has been no terrorist-attacks since that time in USA, it means that the policies of the administration are working? Couldn't it also be said that my magic rock is preventing those attacks? I mean, you don't see any terrorists around here, do you?
Heh, dream on. USA supported the Shah, a brutal dictator. then his subjects had enough, and instigated an islamic revolution. And the revolutionaries naturally ahted the USA because they had been supporting the Shah. Yet you now claim that "US foreign policy has NOTHING to do with it"?????
At the risk of invoking Godins law.... Was Nazi-Germany justified in their invasion of Poland? I mean, they were more powerful than Poland was. How about their invasion of France, Denmark and Yugoslavia? Did they have the right to gas the jews, since they were more powerful than the jews were? Remember: Might makes it right.
Um, no it isn't and burying your head in the sand does not change that fact. September 11, 1973. The Shah was already mentioned.
After reading your comment, I think it's safe to say that the propaganda works well on you.
Johanna Sinisalo, author of "Not Before Sundown" is apparently helping out with the script.
I find it rather strange that you complain about the script and acting of "In the Pirkinning". Remember: these guys were amateurs. Of course if you compare their performance to "real" actors, their skills will fall short, period. That said, the movie was still very, very good and funny.
I know about that directive. And it proves that Europe is less free than USA how exactly? Yes, there are crappy things in Europe (like that directive). But there are lots of crappy things in USA as well (arrests without crime, wiretapping etc.)
What do I think is the saddest thing in the situation in USA? It's that huge number of people know deep down, that what the government is doing is illegal, wrong and against the constitution. And they are not doing a thing to stop it.
Walt Mossberg things Macs are better than PC's?!?!?! Impossible!
Is it, really? And you DO realize that Europe is not a single entity, it has quite a few countries in it? In USA we now have large-scale illegal wiretapping by the government. In USA the government can throw you to jail without accusing you of a crime. They also monitor what you have for dinner abour airplanes, in case you are "suspicious". You are fingerprinted and photographed. And the government is telling you who you can and can't marry.
I'm from Finland, and any of that simply does not happen here. No, really. it doesn't. Well, there was a case when one telecom-company wiretapped handful of their own emplyees, and it caused a HUGE scandal over here, and lots of people were dragged to court.
I'm not saying that USA is some kind of Orwellian dystopia. But I find it quite surprising that Americans seem to think that as far as "freedom" is concerned, USA is way ahead of Europe. I guess it's easier for the government to strip the citizens of their rights if they are made to think that "you are still a lot more "free" than Europeans are!"
So why aren't you "fighting and dying"?
Last time I checked the 911-attacks (the only such terrorist-attacks to happen in USA) had no connetion to Iraq. So I don't really see how fighting in Iraq makes Americans somehow "safe".
If you have knowledge of other terrorist-attacks in USA besides 911, and that were somehow related to Iraq, I'm all ears.
I'm not a console-gamer (well, I do have a Philips Videopak that I got as a kid, and it still works). I prefer gaming on the PC. And I have all but decided to buy Wii. Xbox and PS3? Yawn. Where is the innovation? Its pretty obvious that they are the exact same thing as the previous generation was. They just bumbed the specs and called it a day. Sure, they like to call their system "revolutionary". But they are evolutionary at best. They have more RAM, beefier CPU's, more pixels, more polygons... And none of those are in any shape or form "revolutionary".
Now, the Wii on the other hand.... Yes, Nintendo has upped the specs when compared to GameCube. But they are actually trying to do something new here. And I applaud them for it. Wii wont replace PC as my gaming-platfom, it will supplement it. Games on Wii will be really different when compared to the games on PC. Hell, I could see my wife getting interested in Wii, and she's NOT a gamer.
And in related news....
They switched kernels AGAIN? First they worked on the Mach. then they decided that Mach is crap, and moved to L4 instead. And now they dropped L4 and moved to Coyotos.
No wonder that they never get it finished, since every two years they seem to drop their current work, and move on to something "better".
Mac-fanboys are propably the worst type of fanboys in existence. And I'm not one of them. I do get very annoyed when I see a useless company sue some rich entity just to earn a quick buck. And that is IMO EXACTLY what we have here. I find it quite strange that you accuse me of "spaz attack", when you go out of your way to defend Apple Corps.
And like I said before: What Apple Computer has done or not done is 100% irrelevant to the merits of this case. This case needs to stand on it's own legs. And unfortunately for Apple Corps, this case has no legs to stand on.
Last time I checked, Opteron is a x86-64-CPU, not MIPS.
I do own an iPod, but this computer is a self-built tower-PC running Ubuntu. In fact, I have no OS X-systems in my household. I did have a Mac Mini, and I was about to sell it. But then I decided to turn in in to a server running Fedora Core. So what was your point again? Does the fact that I have a piece of hardware that is made by Apple Computer, somehow mean that I'm a "Apple fanboi"? Well, my monitor is made by Huyndai, does that mean that I'm a "Hyundai fanboi"? My mouse and keyboard are made by Logitech, am I a "Logitech fanboi"? No and no.
Your comment made me laugh. "fanboi"? I don't give a flying fuck about Apple (either of them). Are you a fucking moron or something? If someone think that this lawsuit was nothing but a desperate attempt to grab some money from Apple Computer, that means that the person is a "Apple fanboi"?
Hey, wanna buy a "jump to conclusions"-mat?
Newsflash: I don't care one bit about Apple Computers.
No, I see them as nothing but money-hungry. Maybe, MAYBE they MIGHT have somekind of case if Apple Corps actually DID something. But they do jack shit. They just sit there and try to find yet another excuse to try rip some money from Apple Computers.
And that relevant... how, exactly? Is this a case of "Apple Computer acts like a bunch of assholes now and then, therefore this lawsuit against them was justified!"?
What Apple Computer has done is irrelevant. Fact remains that Apple Corps is just a bunch of money-hungry morons. Have they actually DONE anything relevant lately? Apart from suing Apple Computer that is?
So fucking what? Fact remains that these lawsuits have been moronic right from the start. "OMG, Apple Computer is selling devices that can play back music! OMG, they are selling music to consumers! Since we all know that Apple Corps have the sole right to everything related to sound and music, we must therefore sue Apple Computer for bajillion dollars!". Yes, Apple Computer agreed to stay out of "music-business". But last time I checked, selling music to consumers does not equal "music-business". Retail-business, maybe.
Hi Kumba, long time no see
Well, if current kernels are "ships before compartmentalisation", then microkernels are something like car-engines that are broken down to tiny bits. Everything is a separate part, and it works just as well.
I wouldn't give much credit to metaphors. Even when they are said by Andrew "Broken Record" Tanenbaum.
Bullshit. Apple Corps see Apple Computers as a tool for making money. Yes, Apple Computer has agreed not to enter the music business. But is selling mp3-players and music "being in the music-business"? No. Selling mp3-players means that they are in the consumer-electronics business. Selling songs means that they are in the retail-business (although their "store" is in the internet). If they actually PUBLISHED music, then they would be in the "music business".
Average person does not even know what "Apple Corps" is. They are furiously protecting something that they don't even have. When was the last time Apple Corps has actually DONE something, apart from basking in former glory and suing Apple Computer?
"We can still squeeze some blood from this stone! We have to! Ringo needs a new mansion!"
I hope that someone will buy their MIPS-based workstation-business. What I would like to see is for someone to take that business, beef it up a bit, and port the whole lineup to Linux. I would say that there would be a sizeable market for quality MIPS-workstations that run Linux.
How about.... HyperTransport-links between CPU's, integrated mem-controllers, on-die L2-caches, HTX-expansion, multicore, multi-CPU-setups. All this, and running Linux. Hell, those changes alone would give us a nice boost, even if the CPU-core (R16000A IIRC) itself stayed relatively same.