Are you sure that's the problem? These boards are having *tons* of problems, the P4 ones in particular. I work at a computer shop in Wisconsin and we've gone so far as to stop carrying them because of the problems. DOA.... bad slots.... bad ps/2 ports... "nothing after POST"... you name it. I'd just make sure that it's ACPI causing the problem and not a defective board.
Maybe it's time to freshen up on your Slashdot History.... #2 HOF for "Most Visited Stories"
Voices From The Hellmouth
It's not video games, it's not music, it's not "posters on their walls", it's high school.
-kwishot
"Or better still... maybe someone could come up with an Open Source version of turnitin.com's software."
Maybe I'm asking for it here, but what exactly would having the turnitin.com's software Open Sourced accomplish? It's just some software that compares papers... having it opensourced wouldn't accomplish much. In fact, having it opensourced would probably mean that the database of prior works would also be public. Yeah...that would be wonderful.
A lot of the people here are complaining about their papers being added to the database. If you've nothing to hide, whats the worry? It's not like this is a *public* database. None of us can go browsing through them. If this company started selling these papers or something (which, by the way, would RUIN THEIR BUSINESS), do you honestly think they'd get away with it? IANAL, but IP laws are there for a reason!
"Surely, any university worth its name in salt can come up with some kind of a plagiarism-detecting software system."
Yep, but surely any student can go and copy a paper from a student at another university.
Cheating is cheating, guys. This technology can *help* you. What if a student gets ahold of one of your papers in a few years and decides to pawn it off as their own? The only way that this technology can hurt us is a) if they released their database to the public (which I addressed before) or b) if we're cheaters.
"The second is distributed online services, such as file storage systems, databases, hosting of Web sites, streaming media (such as online video) and advanced Web search engines"
Yeah...sure... *coughDMCAcough* I'm sure this would really fly. Plus, how secure can this really be? Not to mention that the current internet infrastructure is not nearly fast enough to handle this.
"Extraordinary parallel data transmission is possible with the Internet resource pool. Consider Mary's movie, being uploaded in fragments from perhaps 200 hosts. Each host may be a PC connected to the Internet by an antiquated 56k modem--far too slow to show a high-quality video--but combined they could deliver 10 megabits a second, better than a cable modem."
Ok, but you're also effectively saturating 200 56k hosts... what if these people are downloading? Also...think of the unnecessary overhead of downloading from two hundred sources at once. I understand how this works.... similar to KaZaA, for example. You download fragments of a file from all over the place. You also see ten different versions of the same file, virus infected files, and inconsistent download speeds. One day you'll download a file at 100k/sec, the next you might be downloading it at 2k/sec. Also, does anyone else realize what havoc these p2p applications (which is really what this ISOS is) wreak on a filesystem? Do a weekend of downloading large files on any of the p2p networks and run a defrag analysis...you'll see exactly what I mean.
I can see this happening some time, just not soon by any stretch. The article does talk about the other use for this technology -- distributed processing. This is actually a viable option....but...newsflash...it's been around for a few years now. See SETI@HOME, Distributed.net, etc. These projects require little dependence on the unreliable internet. Well...that's not true...but they don't rely on massive amounts of data transfer per host. They rely on processing power, which is controlled by the client, for the client -- without relying on the internet.
Anyways, enough of a rant. I just think that the internet as it is now would not be able to take advantage of this technology.
I know this is kind of "off the wall" but why not use outer-space to our advantage? Aim some waves at a far-off planet or something, and with the right calculations we should be able to have our data bounce back to us at a predetermined time. This may be kind of radical, but if there was data that was that important to civilization (not saying that the Domesday stuff is or isnt), why not put it in an "outer-space safe deposit box" and let it come back to us some time in the future? Even in the event of a Nuclear war, if the calculations were done right, knowledge of this data "being out there" could help preserve a lot of todays knowledge.
Seriously... with Intel recently dumping RAMBUS (see slashdot article a few days ago) what would these new P4s use? I would imagine that this "hyper-threading" along with higher-than-ever clock speeds would make the memory bandwidth even more of an issue than it already is. Will they go back to using RAMBUS? Will they continue to choke the P4 with DDR? Or...do they have something totally different in mind without telling us?
I do onsite service work for some extra cash. A customer of mine who ran her business at home called me once. She uses DSL to connect to the internet. She called and was talking in a very distressed tone... her DSL wasn't connecting and she was even to the point that she was going to go out and buy a new router because she thought that was the problem. I went over there... played around with it for a little while. Everything seemed to work OK except the dsl router would not connect. Called the provider.... she forgot to pay the bill =P
Boy did she feel stupid...not to mention paying me to come over and find out that everything's setup fine!
Does anyone else think that having IE "open-sourced" might actually be a good thing? Not because it would hurt Microsoft, but rather so that the open-source community would be able to take hold of it and make it a better program. You have to admit that IE is much faster than most of the competing browsers, and that it's all around not a half-bad browser. If the open-source community could take this browser and turn it into something better, that would be awesome.
Does anyone else see this as a "oh no we're in for it" type move from Microsoft?
It seems to me like they have gone into their other lawsuits with a more cocky attitude -- paying whatever fines were imposed without much concern, etc.
Given the quotes cited, however, it would be safe to assume that MS might actually be scared.
It's like when you get home and the dog chewed something up. The dog comes up to you with its tail in between its legs because it knows it screwed up and you're about to be pissed when you get in the other room!
Who here can honestly say that if they were in Microsofts position they WOULDNT try this?
Knowing the court system today, it just might happen!
"This would destroy Windows desktop operating systems as a stable and consistent development platform," said Microsoft. Well...the stability and consistency part is questionable already, but I would have to agree that it sure wouldn't help!
Those are just invasive "features".... I would define Security Hole as something exploitable. Not that I agree with these "features" but I wouldn't necessarily call them Security Holes.
"That said, Microsoft should be liable if they represent their product as "safe" and it isn't. I believe their representation of XP as the "Most Secure Windows Ever" does open the company to prosecution for misleading advertizing, but who has the resources to prosecute it?"
IANAL, but citing XP as the "Most Secure *Windows* Ever" would be completely safe, because by all means, it probably is. However, if they said "Most Secure Operating System Ever", they would be opening themselves legally, because there is actually an arguable case against that. I can picture it....the day in court... MS-Defense: Windows 2000 was the most insecure piece of drivel ever. MS-Offense: I agree, XP patched by default all of the holes in 2000 Judge: Looks like we have our answer...XP is more secure!
Of course that would not happen, at least not in a dramatized state like that, but they would be defending against themselves. How hard is it to "stack the deck" that way?
I would have to say that under normal circumstances, the manufacturer would not be liable. If the hole was intentionally put in, that is a different story, but it's not like any company is going to willingly put a security hole in its software.
Bad PR due to security holes again and again are enough of an effect (liability) for companies to wise up, one should hope (how many times have you heard from respected experts and, at times, Microsoft itself, to have IIS disabled on Win2k?).
If you contract a company to design specific software to suit your specific needs, and that software does not perform adequately (security holes, or what have you) then I believe that it is acceptable to blame the software manuf.
Face it, security holes exist. No one likes them, everyone wants to blame someone else for them, but you just have to accept that they do exist.
Weigh your options and choose the option that has proven itself. Be it number of security problems, speed in which they were fixed, or severity (proven and potential)of these vulnerabilities. Oftentimes this points in the direction away from Microsoft, but that's in the eye of the beholder.
Many people are complaining at the size of thise case, but I don't think it's quite as large as many of you think.
Looking at http://216.74.64.37/casemod/images/pict22.jpg I would say that it's probably similar dimensions to a standard Midtower, except twice as wide.
You can use the CD/DVD drive as a reference. Also note that the whole setup is sitting on a pool table.
Oftentimes height is more of an issue (with a desk) than width.
The big thing, I think, is that many providers allow you to receive messages from the internet -- not necessarily from other people with phones. That way someone from *.jp could send a message to 5559876543@nextel.com or something and you'd be effectively anonymously spammed.
So the burden would be entirely on the provider. Provider has to track down spammers to keep its good reputation - "the competitor blocks spam", which raises costs, which raises prices. Bad deal...but there never really is anything good about spammers anyways, is there? =)
I would imagine that spam text messages would be hard to report because many of the headers are removed because of space/storage restrictions. I think that the burden would lie pretty heavily on the providers. How far is too far, though? If you're asking your provider to log and/or prosecute spammers, they inherently *have* to sort through your personal messages. As I understand it now, most services just send the information directly to your phone without having to actually store it on their servers at all. -kwishot
Sorry to reply to myself here, but it appears as if the article is referring to spam text messages, as opposed to the submitted who was referring to actual spam phone calls. On that note, the article actually has some merit, although how easy is it to fit a profitable spam message inside 150 characters? =) I guess it can be done!
Bulk email is (relatively) free. Spam phone calls would not be. Not only would companies have to pay for the phone calls, but they would also have to pay someone to make them. Also...what's new about this? Haven't you ever been called by a telemarketer?
The link is wrong in the post...but somehow it still works?? Anyways.... "...HTTP presents a major challenge for Web services, for peer-to-peer applications and even for security..."
Ok...so don't use peer-to-peer applications via HTTP?
A sentence later...
"A replacement will eventually have to be found, he said, but it is not at all clear who will provide this replacement. "
An industry-wide protocol "does not work for Microsoft" so it must be replaced. Sadly, they will probably remove native HTTP support from their OS in the future so no one has a choice but to use their own proprietary protocol (yes, I realize they didn't cite a replacement, but who else can see it coming? It's not like they haven't done this before...try accessing www.msn.com with old netscape).
"The access to information and opinion the Net has given kids is one of the most terrifying ideas of the 21st century."
Giving children chances to think for themselves. No longer being able to force-feed them Americanized television. Maybe it's just me, but having access to vast amounts of information is what is making the younger generation smarter than ever before.
Tell me, JonKatz, when's the last time you went to the BBC's website, or IndyMedia.org and read about what really happens in Israel/Palestine? The fact that US Media doesn't present all the facts may not be "censorship", per se, but the ability for todays young people to get the whole picture if they choose to do so is invaluable, not terrifying.
Along those same lines, as a young person (19) I also take offense to your statement. JonKatz, young people today are much more involved and aware than you could ever possibly imagine. You should get your story straight before you babble things that contradict things said only a paragraph up.
While I agree that this is a good initiative to have old computer parts disposed of properly, I also believe that there are "precedence" implications involved.
If politicians suddenly realize that they can TAX computer sales (other than normal sales tax) you think they won't jump on that? We'll see carpal-tunnel tax....and hurting-eyes tax.....and "just because it's a computer"-tax. Does anyone else not like the direction this is going? Or know of a better solution?
Reading through the posts here, I can come to a few conclusions. I saw the number "13 *million* subscribers" several times. According to www.census.gov, that's almost *half* the population of California. I'd like to see ANY business have 13 million customers and keep every single one of them happy. It just doesn't happen. Also, some of the posts I've seen with people complaining have been for absurd reasons. Ex: "Someone got ahold of my password and..." Whose fault is that? Ex: "I accidentally sent the wrong amount on the transaction" That's not PayPal's fault either.
If someone gets your email password and uses it to spam 10,000 people, is that your ISP's fault?
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Are you sure that's the problem? These boards are having *tons* of problems, the P4 ones in particular.
I work at a computer shop in Wisconsin and we've gone so far as to stop carrying them because of the problems.
DOA.... bad slots.... bad ps/2 ports... "nothing after POST"... you name it.
I'd just make sure that it's ACPI causing the problem and not a defective board.
-kwishot
Maybe it's time to freshen up on your Slashdot History.... #2 HOF for "Most Visited Stories" Voices From The Hellmouth
It's not video games, it's not music, it's not "posters on their walls", it's high school. -kwishot
"Or better still... maybe someone could come up with an Open Source version of turnitin.com's software."
Maybe I'm asking for it here, but what exactly would having the turnitin.com's software Open Sourced accomplish? It's just some software that compares papers... having it opensourced wouldn't accomplish much. In fact, having it opensourced would probably mean that the database of prior works would also be public. Yeah...that would be wonderful.
A lot of the people here are complaining about their papers being added to the database. If you've nothing to hide, whats the worry? It's not like this is a *public* database. None of us can go browsing through them. If this company started selling these papers or something (which, by the way, would RUIN THEIR BUSINESS), do you honestly think they'd get away with it? IANAL, but IP laws are there for a reason!
"Surely, any university worth its name in salt can come up with some kind of a plagiarism-detecting software system."
Yep, but surely any student can go and copy a paper from a student at another university.
Cheating is cheating, guys. This technology can *help* you. What if a student gets ahold of one of your papers in a few years and decides to pawn it off as their own? The only way that this technology can hurt us is a) if they released their database to the public (which I addressed before) or b) if we're cheaters.
Whats the big deal?
"The second is distributed online services, such as file storage systems, databases, hosting of Web sites, streaming media (such as online video) and advanced Web search engines"
Yeah...sure... *coughDMCAcough*
I'm sure this would really fly. Plus, how secure can this really be?
Not to mention that the current internet infrastructure is not nearly fast enough to handle this.
"Extraordinary parallel data transmission is possible with the Internet resource pool. Consider Mary's movie, being uploaded in fragments from perhaps 200 hosts. Each host may be a PC connected to the Internet by an antiquated 56k modem--far too slow to show a high-quality video--but combined they could deliver 10 megabits a second, better than a cable modem."
Ok, but you're also effectively saturating 200 56k hosts... what if these people are downloading? Also...think of the unnecessary overhead of downloading from two hundred sources at once. I understand how this works.... similar to KaZaA, for example. You download fragments of a file from all over the place. You also see ten different versions of the same file, virus infected files, and inconsistent download speeds. One day you'll download a file at 100k/sec, the next you might be downloading it at 2k/sec. Also, does anyone else realize what havoc these p2p applications (which is really what this ISOS is) wreak on a filesystem? Do a weekend of downloading large files on any of the p2p networks and run a defrag analysis...you'll see exactly what I mean.
I can see this happening some time, just not soon by any stretch. The article does talk about the other use for this technology -- distributed processing. This is actually a viable option....but...newsflash...it's been around for a few years now. See SETI@HOME, Distributed.net, etc. These projects require little dependence on the unreliable internet. Well...that's not true...but they don't rely on massive amounts of data transfer per host. They rely on processing power, which is controlled by the client, for the client -- without relying on the internet.
Anyways, enough of a rant. I just think that the internet as it is now would not be able to take advantage of this technology.
-kwishot
Just make sure it has a spellchecker, too, and we should be in good shape! =)
I know this is kind of "off the wall" but why not use outer-space to our advantage?
Aim some waves at a far-off planet or something, and with the right calculations we should be able to have our data bounce back to us at a predetermined time.
This may be kind of radical, but if there was data that was that important to civilization (not saying that the Domesday stuff is or isnt), why not put it in an "outer-space safe deposit box" and let it come back to us some time in the future? Even in the event of a Nuclear war, if the calculations were done right, knowledge of this data "being out there" could help preserve a lot of todays knowledge.
-kwishot
The big question, though:
"DDR or RAMBUS or ????"
Seriously... with Intel recently dumping RAMBUS (see slashdot article a few days ago) what would these new P4s use? I would imagine that this "hyper-threading" along with higher-than-ever clock speeds would make the memory bandwidth even more of an issue than it already is.
Will they go back to using RAMBUS?
Will they continue to choke the P4 with DDR?
Or...do they have something totally different in mind without telling us?
-kwishot
I do onsite service work for some extra cash.
A customer of mine who ran her business at home called me once. She uses DSL to connect to the internet.
She called and was talking in a very distressed tone... her DSL wasn't connecting and she was even to the point that she was going to go out and buy a new router because she thought that was the problem.
I went over there... played around with it for a little while. Everything seemed to work OK except the dsl router would not connect.
Called the provider.... she forgot to pay the bill =P
Boy did she feel stupid...not to mention paying me to come over and find out that everything's setup fine!
-kwishot
I'd say use Mozilla as an example of how to stay organized. They do a pretty good job, if you ask me.
-kwishot
Does anyone else think that having IE "open-sourced" might actually be a good thing?
Not because it would hurt Microsoft, but rather so that the open-source community would be able to take hold of it and make it a better program.
You have to admit that IE is much faster than most of the competing browsers, and that it's all around not a half-bad browser.
If the open-source community could take this browser and turn it into something better, that would be awesome.
-kwishot
Does anyone else see this as a "oh no we're in for it" type move from Microsoft?
It seems to me like they have gone into their other lawsuits with a more cocky attitude -- paying whatever fines were imposed without much concern, etc.
Given the quotes cited, however, it would be safe to assume that MS might actually be scared.
It's like when you get home and the dog chewed something up. The dog comes up to you with its tail in between its legs because it knows it screwed up and you're about to be pissed when you get in the other room!
Who here can honestly say that if they were in Microsofts position they WOULDNT try this?
Knowing the court system today, it just might happen!
"This would destroy Windows desktop operating systems as a stable and consistent development platform," said Microsoft.
Well...the stability and consistency part is questionable already, but I would have to agree that it sure wouldn't help!
-kwishot
Those are just invasive "features".... I would define Security Hole as something exploitable. Not that I agree with these "features" but I wouldn't necessarily call them Security Holes.
-kwishot
"That said, Microsoft should be liable if they
represent their product as "safe" and it isn't. I
believe their representation of XP as the "Most Secure
Windows Ever" does open the company to prosecution for
misleading advertizing, but who has the resources to
prosecute it?"
IANAL, but citing XP as the "Most Secure *Windows*
Ever" would be completely safe, because by all means,
it probably is. However, if they said "Most Secure
Operating System Ever", they would be opening
themselves legally, because there is actually an
arguable case against that.
I can picture it....the day in court...
MS-Defense: Windows 2000 was the most insecure piece
of drivel ever.
MS-Offense: I agree, XP patched by default all of the
holes in 2000
Judge: Looks like we have our answer...XP is more
secure!
Of course that would not happen, at least not in a
dramatized state like that, but they would be
defending against themselves. How hard is it to "stack
the deck" that way?
-kwishot
I would have to say that under normal circumstances, the manufacturer would not be liable. If the hole was intentionally put in, that is a different story, but it's not like any company is going to willingly put a security hole in its software.
Bad PR due to security holes again and again are enough of an effect (liability) for companies to wise up, one should hope (how many times have you heard from respected experts and, at times, Microsoft itself, to have IIS disabled on Win2k?).
If you contract a company to design specific software to suit your specific needs, and that software does not perform adequately (security holes, or what have you) then I believe that it is acceptable to blame the software manuf.
Face it, security holes exist. No one likes them, everyone wants to blame someone else for them, but you just have to accept that they do exist.
Weigh your options and choose the option that has proven itself. Be it number of security problems, speed in which they were fixed, or severity (proven and potential)of these vulnerabilities.
Oftentimes this points in the direction away from Microsoft, but that's in the eye of the beholder.
-kwishot
Many people are complaining at the size of thise case, but I don't think it's quite as large as many of you think.
Looking at http://216.74.64.37/casemod/images/pict22.jpg I would say that it's probably similar dimensions to a standard Midtower, except twice as wide.
You can use the CD/DVD drive as a reference. Also note that the whole setup is sitting on a pool table.
Oftentimes height is more of an issue (with a desk) than width.
-kwishot
Spammers dun care, it's still free for *them*! =P
That would be a good way to get back at someone, though.... email bomb their SMS? =P
-kwishot
The big thing, I think, is that many providers allow you to receive messages from the internet -- not necessarily from other people with phones. That way someone from *.jp could send a message to 5559876543@nextel.com or something and you'd be effectively anonymously spammed.
So the burden would be entirely on the provider. Provider has to track down spammers to keep its good reputation - "the competitor blocks spam", which raises costs, which raises prices. Bad deal...but there never really is anything good about spammers anyways, is there? =)
-kwishot
I would imagine that spam text messages would be hard to report because many of the headers are removed because of space/storage restrictions. I think that the burden would lie pretty heavily on the providers. How far is too far, though? If you're asking your provider to log and/or prosecute spammers, they inherently *have* to sort through your personal messages. As I understand it now, most services just send the information directly to your phone without having to actually store it on their servers at all.
-kwishot
Sorry to reply to myself here, but it appears as if the article is referring to spam text messages, as opposed to the submitted who was referring to actual spam phone calls. On that note, the article actually has some merit, although how easy is it to fit a profitable spam message inside 150 characters? =) I guess it can be done!
-kwishot
Bulk email is (relatively) free.
Spam phone calls would not be. Not only would companies have to pay for the phone calls, but they would also have to pay someone to make them.
Also...what's new about this? Haven't you ever been called by a telemarketer?
-kwishot
The link is wrong in the post...but somehow it still works??
Anyways.... "...HTTP presents a major challenge for Web services, for peer-to-peer applications and even for security..."
Ok...so don't use peer-to-peer applications via HTTP?
A sentence later...
"A replacement will eventually have to be found, he said, but it is not at all clear who will provide this replacement. "
An industry-wide protocol "does not work for Microsoft" so it must be replaced.
Sadly, they will probably remove native HTTP support from their OS in the future so no one has a choice but to use their own proprietary protocol (yes, I realize they didn't cite a replacement, but who else can see it coming? It's not like they haven't done this before...try accessing www.msn.com with old netscape).
-kwishot
"The access to information and opinion the Net has given kids is one of the most terrifying ideas of the 21st century."
Giving children chances to think for themselves. No longer being able to force-feed them Americanized television. Maybe it's just me, but having access to vast amounts of information is what is making the younger generation smarter than ever before.
Tell me, JonKatz, when's the last time you went to the BBC's website, or IndyMedia.org and read about what really happens in Israel/Palestine? The fact that US Media doesn't present all the facts may not be "censorship", per se, but the ability for todays young people to get the whole picture if they choose to do so is invaluable, not terrifying.
Along those same lines, as a young person (19) I also take offense to your statement. JonKatz, young people today are much more involved and aware than you could ever possibly imagine. You should get your story straight before you babble things that contradict things said only a paragraph up.
-kwishot
While I agree that this is a good initiative to have old computer parts disposed of properly, I also believe that there are "precedence" implications involved.
If politicians suddenly realize that they can TAX computer sales (other than normal sales tax) you think they won't jump on that? We'll see carpal-tunnel tax....and hurting-eyes tax.....and "just because it's a computer"-tax.
Does anyone else not like the direction this is going? Or know of a better solution?
Reading through the posts here, I can come to a few conclusions.
I saw the number "13 *million* subscribers" several times. According to www.census.gov, that's almost *half* the population of California. I'd like to see ANY business have 13 million customers and keep every single one of them happy. It just doesn't happen. Also, some of the posts I've seen with people complaining have been for absurd reasons.
Ex: "Someone got ahold of my password and..."
Whose fault is that?
Ex: "I accidentally sent the wrong amount on the transaction"
That's not PayPal's fault either.
If someone gets your email password and uses it to spam 10,000 people, is that your ISP's fault?
-kwishot