one would think they could keep it right in the article. The board is 10 cm x 7.2 cm - but they list it in the paragraph right before the second picture as mm instead of cm. i was going to comment on it there, but i'm not signing up for an account there just to do that.
If you ask Oracle - they didn't fork it. They are just offering support and patches to RHEL - and pulling out all the proprietary RH stuff so that they can put it out there themselves, at least that is how I understand it.
From what I've seen Oracle wants all the certs, and other things RHEL has earned, but to be able to sell their own support and have more control of patching for their stuff. The skeptical part of me wonders if this is also a very early attempt to make sure Red Hat's work to build any kind of database product around PostgreSQL never takes off. I'm just a dba who reads slashdot too much - so I don't know all the how or why, but I'm definitely interested in stuff like this to keep track of where it is all headed.
I personally first encountered it as a child - in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. It is used with heavy frequency here at the dot, so it is probably a bit less obscure than you might think.
and which the gun-control crowd would like to ignore
yeah - and were both on the same page because 1) we learned the hard way and 2) we are not a part of the aforementioned crowd.
And on top of that I didn't even bring in the fact that most large city cops are already plenty busy. For our check cashing example - those places hire off duty cops for their busy times, and this makes complete sense. There is no reason for the tax payer to completely foot the bill for protecting their high risk endeavor. On every ride along I've done - we had our plate full from start to finish.
You obviously have never been robbed or assaulted before. Wrong - on both counts.
Even if you are not physically hurt it is a tremendously horrible experience on many levels. Yes - I know. That doesn't change the facts. There is a point of balance. I personally would prefer that balance to lean towards personal freedom and responsibility. I do not wish to have the police running around looking to apprehend people who haven't done anything wrong yet.
Also, preventing crime from happening means less money spent on the court and prison system. I doubt it, but your guess is as good as mine.
Just because data mining can be taken too far doesn't mean they shouldn't use it. I agree and never said otherwise. Feel free to double check me on that.
There already is a lot of oversight within police departments. I wont take the same, 'you obviously...' tact - but I have spent a lot of time with police officers - on and off duty and I would say that this is a naive position at best. I am very pro law enforcement by the way - but not so much so that I'm blind to the realities of the situation.
There is no reason to assume this wouldn't also have the same oversight. I'm not usually fond of assuming anything. That whole "ass out of u and me" thing has proven to be true too many times in my life. And all I am saying is that if police departments are collecting large amounts of data for this kind of work - that having citizens monitor the work would be a trivial thing to implement. It is basically a BI system - it is made to make information useful to people - so all the tools should be there to bring others in to keep an eye on things. This should include people who do not have a stake in the process - or anything to gain by hiding the truth. This kind of thing is good in all kinds of areas where people might be tempted to abuse any kind of system. It helps keep honest people honest, and protects them. Police, involved in work where they are paid to server the citizenry, should welcome any such oversite.
Like I said, I'm not against it - I'm cautiously for it. I'm cautious about lots of things - and in this case there is a lot at stake. A bad officer, alone, can ruin people's lives. A system that is loose and doesn't do all it should to avoid abuse on a wide scale can do even more damage. So any new tool should receive scrutiny.
exactly - it should pretty much follow the same pattern as colonization of the new world. the potential for conflict will ramp up as the population and capability to get there ramps up. i think that is quite a bit off into the future. outside of my lifetime for sure (I've got another 60 years or so max - barring some major breakthrough in medicine).
I don't really tend to think in terms of the police having the job of preventing crime. I think there job should be to apprehend criminals who are involved in or have committed a crime. That said, I guess it is good if they have tools that better help them to schedule and plan enforcement. Like anything, it can be taken too far. I would think that what would separate 'good' data mining from 'bad' data mining would be transparency and over site in the process.
On a side note - I'm willing to bet that if someone had asked most street cops in that area - they wouldn't have needed software or data mining tools to tell you that cash checking places in bad parts of town, on pay days were areas of higher crime.
I'm willing to bet - though I may be wrong - 2 or maybe 3 countries in all the world currently have the existing equipment to do it. I know the Russians and U.S. have sent stuff to the moon, in the past. As has been pointed out in this thread, NASA plans to deliver another payload to the moon next year. But I haven't seen anything to indicate that such capability currently exists elsewhere.
But the primary point you make is correct, in that a colony starting out on the moon would be vulnerable for a while if some nation on earth made a concerted effort to try and take it out. And I guess this would stay the case for as long as such a colony was not completely self sustaining - as cutting off supplies would be as deadly as a nuke. But I still think that realistically - getting there and staying there are the large hurdles and self defense would have to be an afterthought. And further - just being able to nuke the moon would not change 'ownership' - it would just make the moon difficult to hold for whoever could get there. Taking real-estate from someone involves boots on the ground.
With Mars it would be a whole different ball game. If someone were somehow able to jump ahead of everyone else and set up a colony there - the earth would be hard pressed to have any say about what went on there - from here.
Sometimes it's easy to forget that us 'geeks' are a small community. I can't imagine downloading software and then never even installing it or trying it. Whenever I do install a browser the very first thing I do is go to where I want my homepage to be and set it. I get annoyed when software defaults to 'intrusive' behavior.
But apparently if they want wide spread usage - they need to look at people who are not like me.
I was under the impression that few countries are even capable of delivering payloads to orbit. Could you fill me in on just what systems make lots of countries capable of delivering munitions to the moon? As for anyone who positions themselves on the moon - well they sit at the top of a large gravity well. I think you might want to consider this a bit more.
but counting us out or predicting our demise has always been a losing proposition
but it wont always be - it can't. so eventually they will get it right, it's just hard to tell when that will be. and it probably wont be for the reasons they think - not that it would stop people from saying 'see! we told you!' and so on.
But right now - just getting the people there is all that is necessary. Because until someone else can do it, being able to make the trip is all the protection that is needed.
It's what any sovereign nation does and has done. When they cooperate (which is seldom) they do so because they want to - or because they are forced to do so by some other country doing what it wants to do. The same works its way down to the individual level. Why should any nation do any differently?
There's no need to 'claim' it. If any nation or group can get there, and owns the only facilities that support human life there - they don't need to claim it, they own it until someone else develops the same capability. That's the reality of it, treaties and such are nonsense in this regard.
My point wasn't to criticize you, I didn't take it that way, but thank you.
I always tell clerks at stores no when they ask for my number. But the bottom line is for me, I make my living by being visible. People send checks to my home that pay my salary. I need a certain level of exposure. At the same time, I'm not going to carry a phone that sold my every move, if I could help it.
I used to work as a dba/programmer for a collection agency. so I know a bit about skip tracing. I've played around with some of the tools myself. What would probably be more upsetting to some is I would try, for example, a reverse look-up service that we payed for and then try google. I often got better results out of google. To some extent, the cat is out of the bag, genie out of the bottle, whatever. But I do what makes sense for me as best I can. And most of my caution right now revolves around my kids. Once they are adults, I wont be nearly as worried about this stuff.
And is the data from that tracking stored somewhere and made available for sale to other companies? If so that's the kind of thing I would like to know.
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one would think they could keep it right in the article. The board is 10 cm x 7.2 cm - but they list it in the paragraph right before the second picture as mm instead of cm. i was going to comment on it there, but i'm not signing up for an account there just to do that.
If you ask Oracle - they didn't fork it. They are just offering support and patches to RHEL - and pulling out all the proprietary RH stuff so that they can put it out there themselves, at least that is how I understand it.
Here is a Linux-Watch article about it.
From what I've seen Oracle wants all the certs, and other things RHEL has earned, but to be able to sell their own support and have more control of patching for their stuff. The skeptical part of me wonders if this is also a very early attempt to make sure Red Hat's work to build any kind of database product around PostgreSQL never takes off. I'm just a dba who reads slashdot too much - so I don't know all the how or why, but I'm definitely interested in stuff like this to keep track of where it is all headed.
I personally first encountered it as a child - in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. It is used with heavy frequency here at the dot, so it is probably a bit less obscure than you might think.
sorry - maths
tanstaafl - most especially in the case of relationships.
beautiful in a way that brings tears to my eyes. truly a work of art.
and which the gun-control crowd would like to ignore
yeah - and were both on the same page because 1) we learned the hard way and 2) we are not a part of the aforementioned crowd.
And on top of that I didn't even bring in the fact that most large city cops are already plenty busy. For our check cashing example - those places hire off duty cops for their busy times, and this makes complete sense. There is no reason for the tax payer to completely foot the bill for protecting their high risk endeavor. On every ride along I've done - we had our plate full from start to finish.
like i said, i guess i'm odd.
You obviously have never been robbed or assaulted before.
Wrong - on both counts.
Even if you are not physically hurt it is a tremendously horrible experience on many levels.
Yes - I know. That doesn't change the facts. There is a point of balance. I personally would prefer that balance to lean towards personal freedom and responsibility. I do not wish to have the police running around looking to apprehend people who haven't done anything wrong yet.
Also, preventing crime from happening means less money spent on the court and prison system.
I doubt it, but your guess is as good as mine.
Just because data mining can be taken too far doesn't mean they shouldn't use it.
I agree and never said otherwise. Feel free to double check me on that.
There already is a lot of oversight within police departments.
I wont take the same, 'you obviously...' tact - but I have spent a lot of time with police officers - on and off duty and I would say that this is a naive position at best. I am very pro law enforcement by the way - but not so much so that I'm blind to the realities of the situation.
There is no reason to assume this wouldn't also have the same oversight.
I'm not usually fond of assuming anything. That whole "ass out of u and me" thing has proven to be true too many times in my life. And all I am saying is that if police departments are collecting large amounts of data for this kind of work - that having citizens monitor the work would be a trivial thing to implement. It is basically a BI system - it is made to make information useful to people - so all the tools should be there to bring others in to keep an eye on things. This should include people who do not have a stake in the process - or anything to gain by hiding the truth. This kind of thing is good in all kinds of areas where people might be tempted to abuse any kind of system. It helps keep honest people honest, and protects them. Police, involved in work where they are paid to server the citizenry, should welcome any such oversite.
Like I said, I'm not against it - I'm cautiously for it. I'm cautious about lots of things - and in this case there is a lot at stake. A bad officer, alone, can ruin people's lives. A system that is loose and doesn't do all it should to avoid abuse on a wide scale can do even more damage. So any new tool should receive scrutiny.
exactly - it should pretty much follow the same pattern as colonization of the new world. the potential for conflict will ramp up as the population and capability to get there ramps up. i think that is quite a bit off into the future. outside of my lifetime for sure (I've got another 60 years or so max - barring some major breakthrough in medicine).
I don't really tend to think in terms of the police having the job of preventing crime. I think there job should be to apprehend criminals who are involved in or have committed a crime. That said, I guess it is good if they have tools that better help them to schedule and plan enforcement. Like anything, it can be taken too far. I would think that what would separate 'good' data mining from 'bad' data mining would be transparency and over site in the process.
On a side note - I'm willing to bet that if someone had asked most street cops in that area - they wouldn't have needed software or data mining tools to tell you that cash checking places in bad parts of town, on pay days were areas of higher crime.
I'm willing to bet - though I may be wrong - 2 or maybe 3 countries in all the world currently have the existing equipment to do it. I know the Russians and U.S. have sent stuff to the moon, in the past. As has been pointed out in this thread, NASA plans to deliver another payload to the moon next year. But I haven't seen anything to indicate that such capability currently exists elsewhere.
But the primary point you make is correct, in that a colony starting out on the moon would be vulnerable for a while if some nation on earth made a concerted effort to try and take it out. And I guess this would stay the case for as long as such a colony was not completely self sustaining - as cutting off supplies would be as deadly as a nuke. But I still think that realistically - getting there and staying there are the large hurdles and self defense would have to be an afterthought. And further - just being able to nuke the moon would not change 'ownership' - it would just make the moon difficult to hold for whoever could get there. Taking real-estate from someone involves boots on the ground.
With Mars it would be a whole different ball game. If someone were somehow able to jump ahead of everyone else and set up a colony there - the earth would be hard pressed to have any say about what went on there - from here.
Sometimes it's easy to forget that us 'geeks' are a small community. I can't imagine downloading software and then never even installing it or trying it. Whenever I do install a browser the very first thing I do is go to where I want my homepage to be and set it. I get annoyed when software defaults to 'intrusive' behavior.
But apparently if they want wide spread usage - they need to look at people who are not like me.
I was under the impression that few countries are even capable of delivering payloads to orbit. Could you fill me in on just what systems make lots of countries capable of delivering munitions to the moon? As for anyone who positions themselves on the moon - well they sit at the top of a large gravity well. I think you might want to consider this a bit more.
but counting us out or predicting our demise has always been a losing proposition
but it wont always be - it can't. so eventually they will get it right, it's just hard to tell when that will be. and it probably wont be for the reasons they think - not that it would stop people from saying 'see! we told you!' and so on.
so if they build a magnetic catapult will rocks count as weapons of mass destruction. i know it's just sparks - but they are big sparks.
not if what they are doing is down to 25.4 mm
then i'm guessing they'd say 25.4 mm or 2.54 cm
But right now - just getting the people there is all that is necessary. Because until someone else can do it, being able to make the trip is all the protection that is needed.
It's what any sovereign nation does and has done. When they cooperate (which is seldom) they do so because they want to - or because they are forced to do so by some other country doing what it wants to do. The same works its way down to the individual level. Why should any nation do any differently?
you could find people that ignorant in any population of decent size.
There's no need to 'claim' it. If any nation or group can get there, and owns the only facilities that support human life there - they don't need to claim it, they own it until someone else develops the same capability. That's the reality of it, treaties and such are nonsense in this regard.
well said - makes Joss Whedon look a little smarter too.
they need it mapped at that scale for when they miniaturize themselves and swing by on their way to mars.
My point wasn't to criticize you,
I didn't take it that way, but thank you.
I always tell clerks at stores no when they ask for my number. But the bottom line is for me, I make my living by being visible. People send checks to my home that pay my salary. I need a certain level of exposure. At the same time, I'm not going to carry a phone that sold my every move, if I could help it.
I used to work as a dba/programmer for a collection agency. so I know a bit about skip tracing. I've played around with some of the tools myself. What would probably be more upsetting to some is I would try, for example, a reverse look-up service that we payed for and then try google. I often got better results out of google. To some extent, the cat is out of the bag, genie out of the bottle, whatever. But I do what makes sense for me as best I can. And most of my caution right now revolves around my kids. Once they are adults, I wont be nearly as worried about this stuff.
And is the data from that tracking stored somewhere and made available for sale to other companies? If so that's the kind of thing I would like to know.