Don't. I suspect women's use of the complete system is intuitive in the majority of cases, rather than based on advanced mathematical study. Goedel described the Incompleteness Theorem, but used it long before he did, I'll bet, and would have kept on using it even if he didn't.
I meant "not in our lifetime." I don't believe there's anything magical about cat or human brains, I just think modeling them will be very very hard, and so unlikely to take place in our lifetimes. Of course, I freely admit I may be speaking out of my ass here.:-)
. When a woman asks "Honey, does my ass look big in these?", according to her complete system there is a valid answer, despite the fact that it may not be consistent with other questions (ex. "So, how much do you think I weigh?").
But there is a consistant pair of answers to these questions that is also "correct" according to female logic. Specifically, these answers are "No, Honey, of course not," and "An amount that looks damn sexy, whatever it is." Alternatively, question 2 can be answered with any value w, where w is the average of your actual estimate of the woman's weight and the average weight for a woman of her height, and then subtract 10-15 pounds. However, that method can lead to answers inconsistant with the answer to the first question, and both methods can produce answers that will not satisfy the woman in question for some reason incomprehensible to male logic.
Incidentally, that's why I don't understand why you said "no no no". I provided a rough model of women's emotional responses in general, and you provided an outline of feminine logic - the two do not contradict each other, they complement each other. My own post provides a rough explanation of observed phenomena and a crude predictive model - yours provided a methematical model.
Water under the bridge, though. Excellent piece of work - thank you for posting it. And God save us both if our girlfriends ever read this thread.:-)
There's a real difference between an ant and my cat: The ant simply responds to stimulus by instinct, with little or no capacity for learning or thought. While cats certainly are not capable of thought on the same level of humans, they are infinately more capable than ants.
My cat routinely behaves in ways that suggest a capacity for comparing past events to present and future ones, an ability to plan, emotional states ranging from "fear" to "anger" and "sense of fun", and other cognitive abilities that are well beyond those of an ant.
Another thing my cat can do that would be very hard to program is form extremely complex associations. For example, she has learned that when I walk towards the food-closet door at breakfast-time or dinnertime, she is about to be fed. She acts on this knowledge by walking over to her food dish and meowing for food - a fairly unambiguous action.
Thing is, she also knows that if I start walking towards the closet door during the middle of the day and saying "Kibble!", this is a ruse to get her into the kitty carrier, and from there to the vet's office. Is that amazing or what! From just two or so incidents every year, my cat has learned to tell when I'm lying to her.
Yes, I'm a very proud cat owner. My point is, these behaviours would all be much harder to model than those of an ant.
Women, alone of all known organisms on the face of the Earth, are capable of sustaining an emotional state (such as anger, rage, jealosy, etc.) without the need for any external stimulous. Women can be angry at men for what they think they may say, what they said ten years ago, or what they would have said if everything had been completely different. And it is always the man's fault.
I thought Liv Tyler was pretty damn hot in this film - and I'm as shocked and horrified by this as any red-blooded/.er would be. That said, Blanchett was also hot - you have to appreciate the babe quotient in this film.
...bear in mind that I'm a callow, assinine high school senior, but I think the 11-year old wouldn't have a problem. There's certainly no sex to worry about (although why one would worry about sex I have no idea), and the movie isn't really gory. There's scary bits, but that's what makes a movie good - your oldest kid will be startled, but not traumatized.
The six year old? No. No, no, no. Loud noises, scary-looking monsters - you're just asking for an increase in late-night closet-ringwraith checks. Probably ditto for the nine year old, but maybe not.
May I offer a word of advice? Slashdotters, while great people (mostly), are often a little bit different from the mainstream. Ask your question to a spouse, girlfriend, drinking buddy - but/.'s parenting advice should be taken with a grain of salt.
I guess, if I did feel some perverse need for a server room, this is how I'd do it:
Buy a used Lego Mindstorms set.
Build a temerature sensor for the set. (Basically, just buy a thermistor from radioshack and hook it to a Lego sensor wire - it works like a light sensor.
Build a lego robot that can open the window a crack when the temp. sensor detects a temp above a certain limit. Voila. Plus, this way you get the geek-out factor.
What sort of server needs do you have?
on
Home Server Rooms?
·
· Score: 2
For a family network, I could see needing a router, maybe a file server, and maybe a game server or two, but with the exception of the game servers, none of these have to be all that fast? What sort of network are you needing, that's you'll need an actual server room and face serious cooling issues?
It really is hard for them. Older teachers in particular like the computer to look the same every time they use it, or they get confused. When I worked at my high school over the summer, I was told repeatedly not to allow any variation in desktop performance, so as not to confuse teachers or students. When you spend a lot of time of/., it becomes hard to believe, but a lot of people are simply not computer literate at all.
Man, I'm sitting in my high schoo, right now using IE 5.0 because that's what the computers in my school shipped with, and our one computer tech doesn't have the time to install a new browser on all the comps, and train the clueless teachers and students in their use. And frankly, why should my school have to lose security because of this? It's microsoft's job to ship a quality product (in theory), and they aren't doing that. IT isn't the victim's fault.
Wireless is to secure networking...
on
Wiring A New House?
·
· Score: 4, Funny
...as running through the street naked singing "I'm a little teapot, short and stout" is to modesty and sanity.
No offense, but even the best wireless security solution can't compare to having an actual cat5 cable you can control access to.
But people don't mind TV shows on cable, or movies, or web sites, which have some sort of violent content? (Or at least, they don't seem to mind it as much.) Any time during the day, I can turn on the TV and see a man get shot. I can go on the Internet to a mainstream site (like download.com, for example) and download a violent video game. But god forbid my kids get access to porn.
Uh, am I on the only person on the face of the Earth who would rather get laid than shot?
...but there are other things she won't be able to do that will hinder the success of her chip in the embedded market. My cat could probably also design an 8-bit processor, but the documentation process - in fact, the entire support process - needed to bring a chip to market would be a little beyond her. Without opposable digits, she would be unable to type up the whitepapers and specs, and without the power of speech, she would not be able to dictate this information. So, unless my own cat blatantly copied an older processor, no one except her would be able to develop for it.
Of course, if my cat did manage to successfully document her chip, I'm sure she's sell it for a reaonable price - a lifetime supply of canned food, say. She and I both know that's a little steep for an 8-bit chip, but who can say no to my adorable little cat?
Guys, if there's one thing we've seen, it's that good software does not always = profitable software. Like it or not, the big money is in programs like Windows that may not be all that great technically,. but have the marketing and OEM contracts to force it into becoming a standard.
Likewise, Juno wasn't great from a technical perspective, but that's not why it's a giant FUBAR. It's the business model that's crippling the company - how many times do we need to see that even limited ad-sponsored ISPS Just Don't Work.
Would I go to Joel for advice on how to actually write code for a given project. I don't think so, no - he's almost certainly a good programer, but there are plenty of other people out there who're probably more skilled. But from the perspective of managing software development - well, Joel does have a lot of experience doing THAT successfully (at least at MS).
One last thought - I wouldn't hold Juno against him as proof of business stupidity - he wrote that client in a simpler time, an innocent time. A time when click-throughs really were worth something - or so the marketing mavens thought.
Of course I don't want to fsck with Dune - it's an awesome novel and series. Frankly, I think the fact that I thought of it in connection with 9/11 is a GOOD thing - a novel for the ages should speak to us in many circumstances, disaster being one of them.
And I finally noticed - really noticed - the line "He who can destroy a thing controls is." With that, and the references to the Empire crumbling without spice, it finally penetrated my thick skull that maybe there was a symbolic level of the Dune novels. Hmm...desert...strange substance on which universe depends...religious fanatacism...holy wars...might the novels have been metaphors for the middle east?
I freely admit it, I'm an idiot.
One more note: I gotta say, it was creepy as hell watching the Fremen chant "Jihad!" and "Muad'dib". I think a previous poster was right - Dune will mean different things to different generations. I certainly look at it in a different way after 9/11.
I don't know about bluetooth, but voice recognition needs a crazy amount of CPU oomph (to use a technical term). I could see it on an ipag, but on a 30something mhz dragonball? I don't want to say I don't believe it can be done, but I'm a little skeptical. Also, I seem to recall the PalmOS being designed for a PDA that would be running fairly lightweight, simple apps. Is that OS the right choice for a PDA if you want to do this? EPOC ER5 runs on PDAs with processing power similar to that of a high-end PalmOS machine, but also provides multitasking and better memory management.
Just my uninformed, ignorant, kneejerk responses (as I'm sure dozens of people will be telling me very shortly.)
DRDOS isn't open- read the newsforge article
on
Lineo Frees CP/M
·
· Score: 2
You have to pay for the source, so I'd guess the answer to all of your questions is "NO!"
Slashdot Mirror
"I blame Goedel"
Don't. I suspect women's use of the complete system is intuitive in the majority of cases, rather than based on advanced mathematical study. Goedel described the Incompleteness Theorem, but used it long before he did, I'll bet, and would have kept on using it even if he didn't.
I meant "not in our lifetime." I don't believe there's anything magical about cat or human brains, I just think modeling them will be very very hard, and so unlikely to take place in our lifetimes. Of course, I freely admit I may be speaking out of my ass here. :-)
. When a woman asks "Honey, does my ass look big in these?", according to her complete system there is a valid answer, despite the fact that it may not be consistent with other questions (ex. "So, how much do you think I weigh?").
:-)
But there is a consistant pair of answers to these questions that is also "correct" according to female logic. Specifically, these answers are "No, Honey, of course not," and "An amount that looks damn sexy, whatever it is." Alternatively, question 2 can be answered with any value w, where w is the average of your actual estimate of the woman's weight and the average weight for a woman of her height, and then subtract 10-15 pounds. However, that method can lead to answers inconsistant with the answer to the first question, and both methods can produce answers that will not satisfy the woman in question for some reason incomprehensible to male logic.
Incidentally, that's why I don't understand why you said "no no no". I provided a rough model of women's emotional responses in general, and you provided an outline of feminine logic - the two do not contradict each other, they complement each other. My own post provides a rough explanation of observed phenomena and a crude predictive model - yours provided a methematical model.
Water under the bridge, though. Excellent piece of work - thank you for posting it. And God save us both if our girlfriends ever read this thread.
There's a real difference between an ant and my cat: The ant simply responds to stimulus by instinct, with little or no capacity for learning or thought. While cats certainly are not capable of thought on the same level of humans, they are infinately more capable than ants.
My cat routinely behaves in ways that suggest a capacity for comparing past events to present and future ones, an ability to plan, emotional states ranging from "fear" to "anger" and "sense of fun", and other cognitive abilities that are well beyond those of an ant.
Another thing my cat can do that would be very hard to program is form extremely complex associations. For example, she has learned that when I walk towards the food-closet door at breakfast-time or dinnertime, she is about to be fed. She acts on this knowledge by walking over to her food dish and meowing for food - a fairly unambiguous action.
Thing is, she also knows that if I start walking towards the closet door during the middle of the day and saying "Kibble!", this is a ruse to get her into the kitty carrier, and from there to the vet's office. Is that amazing or what! From just two or so incidents every year, my cat has learned to tell when I'm lying to her.
Yes, I'm a very proud cat owner. My point is, these behaviours would all be much harder to model than those of an ant.
Women, alone of all known organisms on the face of the Earth, are capable of sustaining an emotional state (such as anger, rage, jealosy, etc.) without the need for any external stimulous. Women can be angry at men for what they think they may say, what they said ten years ago, or what they would have said if everything had been completely different. And it is always the man's fault.
I thought Liv Tyler was pretty damn hot in this film - and I'm as shocked and horrified by this as any red-blooded /.er would be. That said, Blanchett was also hot - you have to appreciate the babe quotient in this film.
...bear in mind that I'm a callow, assinine high school senior, but I think the 11-year old wouldn't have a problem. There's certainly no sex to worry about (although why one would worry about sex I have no idea), and the movie isn't really gory. There's scary bits, but that's what makes a movie good - your oldest kid will be startled, but not traumatized.
/.'s parenting advice should be taken with a grain of salt.
The six year old? No. No, no, no. Loud noises, scary-looking monsters - you're just asking for an increase in late-night closet-ringwraith checks. Probably ditto for the nine year old, but maybe not.
May I offer a word of advice? Slashdotters, while great people (mostly), are often a little bit different from the mainstream. Ask your question to a spouse, girlfriend, drinking buddy - but
The Personal Edition of BeOS, given away for free, can be turned into a full installation very easily. Check betips.net for details.
I guess, if I did feel some perverse need for a server room, this is how I'd do it:
Buy a used Lego Mindstorms set.
Build a temerature sensor for the set. (Basically, just buy a thermistor from radioshack and hook it to a Lego sensor wire - it works like a light sensor.
Build a lego robot that can open the window a crack when the temp. sensor detects a temp above a certain limit. Voila. Plus, this way you get the geek-out factor.
For a family network, I could see needing a router, maybe a file server, and maybe a game server or two, but with the exception of the game servers, none of these have to be all that fast? What sort of network are you needing, that's you'll need an actual server room and face serious cooling issues?
"Computer illiteracy is usually not about a lack of skill, but a fear that it is impossible to learn a computer skill. It is an acquired behavior."
Agreed, but it's damn hard to get people to unlearn that fear. And that's the problem.
It really is hard for them. Older teachers in particular like the computer to look the same every time they use it, or they get confused. When I worked at my high school over the summer, I was told repeatedly not to allow any variation in desktop performance, so as not to confuse teachers or students. When you spend a lot of time of /., it becomes hard to believe, but a lot of people are simply not computer literate at all.
Man, I'm sitting in my high schoo, right now using IE 5.0 because that's what the computers in my school shipped with, and our one computer tech doesn't have the time to install a new browser on all the comps, and train the clueless teachers and students in their use. And frankly, why should my school have to lose security because of this? It's microsoft's job to ship a quality product (in theory), and they aren't doing that. IT isn't the victim's fault.
...as running through the street naked singing "I'm a little teapot, short and stout" is to modesty and sanity.
No offense, but even the best wireless security solution can't compare to having an actual cat5 cable you can control access to.
But people don't mind TV shows on cable, or movies, or web sites, which have some sort of violent content? (Or at least, they don't seem to mind it as much.) Any time during the day, I can turn on the TV and see a man get shot. I can go on the Internet to a mainstream site (like download.com, for example) and download a violent video game. But god forbid my kids get access to porn.
Uh, am I on the only person on the face of the Earth who would rather get laid than shot?
...then what are you doing posting to slashdot?
Look, nobody's gonna buy an 8-bit personal computer these days. The only use for Zilogs is in embedded apps, and that can't be emulated away.
...but there are other things she won't be able to do that will hinder the success of her chip in the embedded market. My cat could probably also design an 8-bit processor, but the documentation process - in fact, the entire support process - needed to bring a chip to market would be a little beyond her. Without opposable digits, she would be unable to type up the whitepapers and specs, and without the power of speech, she would not be able to dictate this information. So, unless my own cat blatantly copied an older processor, no one except her would be able to develop for it.
Of course, if my cat did manage to successfully document her chip, I'm sure she's sell it for a reaonable price - a lifetime supply of canned food, say. She and I both know that's a little steep for an 8-bit chip, but who can say no to my adorable little cat?
Guys, if there's one thing we've seen, it's that good software does not always = profitable software. Like it or not, the big money is in programs like Windows that may not be all that great technically,. but have the marketing and OEM contracts to force it into becoming a standard.
Likewise, Juno wasn't great from a technical perspective, but that's not why it's a giant FUBAR. It's the business model that's crippling the company - how many times do we need to see that even limited ad-sponsored ISPS Just Don't Work.
Would I go to Joel for advice on how to actually write code for a given project. I don't think so, no - he's almost certainly a good programer, but there are plenty of other people out there who're probably more skilled. But from the perspective of managing software development - well, Joel does have a lot of experience doing THAT successfully (at least at MS).
One last thought - I wouldn't hold Juno against him as proof of business stupidity - he wrote that client in a simpler time, an innocent time. A time when click-throughs really were worth something - or so the marketing mavens thought.
Of course I don't want to fsck with Dune - it's an awesome novel and series. Frankly, I think the fact that I thought of it in connection with 9/11 is a GOOD thing - a novel for the ages should speak to us in many circumstances, disaster being one of them.
And I finally noticed - really noticed - the line "He who can destroy a thing controls is." With that, and the references to the Empire crumbling without spice, it finally penetrated my thick skull that maybe there was a symbolic level of the Dune novels. Hmm...desert...strange substance on which universe depends...religious fanatacism...holy wars...might the novels have been metaphors for the middle east?
I freely admit it, I'm an idiot.
One more note: I gotta say, it was creepy as hell watching the Fremen chant "Jihad!" and "Muad'dib". I think a previous poster was right - Dune will mean different things to different generations. I certainly look at it in a different way after 9/11.
It's still the Best SF Universe Ever, of course.
I posted the parent before reading the other posts with Wil Wheaton jokes - that was just stupid. Please downmod the parent.
I have firsthand experience with the idiocy of networks, so I'd be very interested to hear how you pitched the idea.
Yes...I would imagine so.
Sorry, that just made me chortle. Not laugh, mind you, but chortle - an essential distinction.
I don't know about bluetooth, but voice recognition needs a crazy amount of CPU oomph (to use a technical term). I could see it on an ipag, but on a 30something mhz dragonball? I don't want to say I don't believe it can be done, but I'm a little skeptical. Also, I seem to recall the PalmOS being designed for a PDA that would be running fairly lightweight, simple apps. Is that OS the right choice for a PDA if you want to do this? EPOC ER5 runs on PDAs with processing power similar to that of a high-end PalmOS machine, but also provides multitasking and better memory management.
Just my uninformed, ignorant, kneejerk responses (as I'm sure dozens of people will be telling me very shortly.)
You have to pay for the source, so I'd guess the answer to all of your questions is "NO!"