Why don't they just start passing out the soma and spoon feeding us corporate-filtered news and entertainment instead trying to pretend that what they are doing is really in our best interest?
Actually 23 huge multi-media corporations were doing just that since 1982. The figure filtered down to approx. 9 media conglomerates in 1992. I think it's probably down to less than 6 now. They own and control the distribution of *news* internationally. In who's best interest?
Concentration of control over our mass media has intensified. Ownership of most of the major media has been consolidated in fewer and fewer corporate hands, from fifty national and multinational corporations in 1983 to twenty in 1992... the power of scattered smaller firms is negligible. They operate in a world shaped by the giants.
I've never used a MAC so I'll have to take ur *gasp* word *gasp* on it. But... here's what linux allows you to do .
You have the choice in linux distros to either install or not install the applications available. You may install the whole distro (if you have the space) or just install what you need (for now) and then if you need a proggy later, you can install it then without rebooting your system or having to do a completely new install.
Fair enough - let them have thier "innovations" - but only those developed over the last 5 years.
Microsoft innovations and development? If we let M$ keep everything they've innovated and developed over the last 5 yrs the sum total would be zero. Rephrase that... "let them have their "purchases and hostile takeovers". I think not.
I'm confused about something. Was Dimitri alone in the USA or were there other people from his company also in the states at the time? If there were other reps present why weren't they also arrested?
That's kind of a short-sighted view, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better to have this one go to trial, and give the DMCA a chance to get tossed out as unconstitutional?
The Iran hostage-taking incident lasted 444 days. Americans were being held hostage against their will by a foreign gov't who believed (as you seem to believe) that they were justified in their actions of holding foreign nationals to prove a political point. Do you remember the outpouring of rage coming from the USA and its allies?
Yet, in all your wisdom, you feel it is perfectly justifiable to hold a foreign national hostage ( a Russian at that) here in the USA at the beckoning of a corporation that is testing the DMCA? Do you really believe testing the constitutionality of the DMCA in the courts is worth the international uproar this is going to rightfully cause? This incident should scare the shit out of every American. It is dangerous not only domestically, but also as it pertains to international relations.
Didn't the DMCA get passed in congress by a unanimous VOICE VOTE? In who's best interest?
Every single US resident should be screaming blue murder about this shameful incident and demanding the immediate release of Dimitri. To hell with going after Robert Meuller, he's just a Bush croney. This whole damn administration should be on the chopping block. The jester in the White House is enraging the entire world at the begging of multi-national corporations. Seems to me that's more grounds for impeachment than lying about a blowjob.
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While I dont wish the man to stay in jail, he will still have his day in court.
You need to get real! Like Dimitri will even be in the USA long enough for this to go to court? Not if the Russians have anything to say about it. This is going to come back and suck the USA dry and they walked right into it. If I were going to travel abroad I'd be very very intimidated to do so in this very hostile climate.
I'd feel really sorry for making Sklyarov
an accidental martyr, but I still think that
the best thing for this nation as a whole
would be for the criminal case to continue
so that it can ultimately be appealed to the
Supreme court, who will really have no choice
but to strike down the DMCA.
I agree that this law needs to be challenged in the courts and it will be soon enough. However, I do not think holding a foreign national hostage under bogus charges brought on by greed inc. will help anything. This man is a human being with a family and for us to even attempt to involve him in this is ludicrous. Is the USA so gung ho to create an international incident as to persue this case?
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EFF.org says:
"We strongly support the DMCA and the enforcement of
copyright protection of digital content," said Colleen
Pouliot, Senior Vice President and General Counsel for
Adobe. "However, the prosecution of this individual in
this particular case is not conducive to the best
interests of any of the parties involved or the
industry. ElcomSoft's Advanced eBook Processor
software is no longer available in the United States,
and from that perspective the DMCA worked. Adobe will continue to protect its copyright interests and those of its customers."
San Jose, Calif. - Adobe Systems Incorporated (Nasdaq: ADBE) and the
Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) today jointly
recommend the release of Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov from federal custody.
Adobe is also withdrawing its support for the criminal
complaint against Dmitry Sklyarov.
It's the old "video games build hand-eye co-ordiation" thing... The other thing that doesn't seem to be mentioned is how RPG, puzzel games, and especially the Zelda series (at least for me) build logic skills and skills of observation that I think would be hard to get in other places.
Don't feel bad. They didn't mention the *older* pinball games either.
once I started college and met a bunch of Quake addicts in person, my social life skyrocketted. and It's interesting to ask if chat rooms are making us a lesser society or if chat rooms are bringing together otherwise socially disenfranchsied people.
Technology has always had to deal with this question. Can the same not be said of the telephone which lessened the activity of visiting people? What about the television which further isolated people from one another? Are those two innovations evil as well? .
Thanks, I'll check it out:). I'm not into hero worship, but I think if there was any human being that deserves admiration it's Chomsky. He dared to turn his back on lucrative corporate contracts to get the truth out. You don't get much braver than that.
Your idea is a good one and a poster above even prepared a draft for you and I. However, it will fall on deaf ears as corporate-backed governemnts agree with and support such draconian legislation. Even a massive letter-writing campaign will only produce political lip to no avail. The best route IMHO are boycotts. Nothing will get the corporate ear faster than a boycott from the world's largest market.
The RIAA, Microsoft and Adobe have laid their cards out on the table and it's our turn to call their bluff or fold. I suggest that if their last public market releases were their very last in a long time, they will be more willing to lend us an ear and withdraw. Word of mouth and organized grass roots boycotts are very powerful weapons... it will not make the shareholders happy.
I'm amazed that Americans put up with so much crap from all angles. Is this what our country was born upon? Each of us have choices as human beings. We can question everything and not settle for doublespeak, or we can make small (seemingly insignificant jestures at first) that create mountains in the long term.
A seemingly frivolous example follows: when I was shopping for a major appliance a while back I asked the salesperson how many of these appliances were returned. He was stunned and said nobody had ever asked him that question before (he wasn't a kid but an experienced salesman for a large retail store). He checked his records which allowed me to make an intelligent decision about what purchase to make. I decided that it was in MY best interests to have my older appliance repaired because its quality was far superior to any new product I saw.
A significant boycott of products that are devoid of quality and of corporations that have little or no regard for the harm their enforced policies do to us (their customers) would have a long term and lasting effect on their bottom line. Let corporations and governments alike know that we will not tolerate unfair business practices and draconian oligarchial legislation.
Foreign workers (programmers admins etc) who come in on work visas. The corporations have already *bought* these visas so they import technical people from around the world who are severely restricted under the visa. The corps do not have to pay them benefits, have them work unspeakabale amounts of unpaid (or underpaid) overtime and hold the threat of deportation over their heads if they so much as sigh in protest.
What ever happened to *you cannot fill a job in America with a foreign worker as long as there is an American who can fill the job?* Seems to me there are a lot of techies unemployed but the foreign workers keep flooding in.
The Hudsons Bay Company is and always has been a Canadian company. It was founded around (and because of) the fur trade. The spoils of the fur trade (fur) were all shipped back to England and the monies (albeit) pittiful, that were realized by fur trading were taxed by England to the hilt. Not many fur traders got rich from the trade.
I agree with post #230 that Americans need to start making INFORMED DECISIONS. However, that will not be possible until the (any) subject is brought up as a TOPIC OF ANALYSIS... involving public debate from as many perspectives as possible. The American mass media is a huge propoganda machine and its contents have been bought and sold without the consent or even the consulatation of the people.
Americans will NOT get any objective news from the mass media in any form. The mass media (including, television, radio, newspapers, magazines, and books) are dominated by the same multi-national corporations that bring lazy (let's have it fast and easy ) Americans their nightly news flashes on the boob tube. These media monopoly corporations turn wants itno NEEDS and dictate the way average Joe America thinks, dreams, acts, speaks, eats, works, and plays, It is in the best interests of these huge corporations to keep the masses dependant and ignorant and they own and control the means to do so.
There are voices of reason out there in beautiful downtown America. The mainstream rote learners (couch potatos) like to call them crackpots, liberal fanatics, and eco-terrorists (or whatever other buzz words the mass media dreams up) so they don't have to face the truth. It's very hard for people to come to grips with the fact that everything they've believed in and trusted their entire lives is a lie. It's a real challenge for ordinary Joes to break free from their comfortable little paradigms, but until they do, they are being held hostage to the whims of corrupt governments who are also controlled by these same multi-national corporations.
The Internet has been an invaluable tool in helping people to see beyond the propoganda machine and seek knowledge. There are also a few good journals available to the public, like Zmag for example, that contain no corporate sponsorship and thus are free from influence. There are some excellent academic works like Media Monopoly by Ben Bagdikian and Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky that spell out the conspiracy of corporate America in black and white. These authors are not crackpot leftists, they are the intellectuals in our modern civilized *cough* world that dare to tell the truth and dare to back up their findings. They stand accountable to us, the conscience of America, and the entire free world.Give up a couple of hours of primetime TV and go to the library or the bookstore and pick up these books and read them. Above all, do not depend on any corporate-sponsored media for an objective and honest view.
They want to discontinue relaying coz they don't want to pay a skilled admin to maintain the mail server. An admin would properly configure DNS reverse lookup to verify if the from field is a valid address and not a vhost.
Another thing is to check outgoing mail. If a user sends more than 200 emails a day, it's obviously a spam.It's automatically generated.
Verizon obviously feels the need to cutback on its overhead more than to stop spam. Didn't Verizon recently cut a lot of jobs? Guess what? LOL it's not rocket science folx.
If I were a Verizon customer I'd drop it like a hot potato(e) even if it meant going back to a 56k line.
David Duncan Scott wrote: I would wager that it says on the box that the scanner is designed to work with Windows. It might even say that it works with the Mac OS. I really doubt, however, that it claims Linux support, and I don't think it's reasonable to presume that such exists.
You had to make me pull out the box didn't you:P. You are correct, it does say on the box that it works with Windoes and Mac OS and does not say it supports linux. Howevber, it does say it has both USB & SCSI-2 interface. I was after the SCSI works. It's a nice peice of hardware... 36-bit Internal color with 42-bit color output.
It would be just as reasonable to "return" Linux, since it doesn't work with the scanner, as it would be to return the scanner because it doesn't work with Linux.
I'd return Linux (and get my $2.00 back) in a heartbeat if I could find a *reasonable* alternative.Mac is out of the question and I can't afford, nor do I want a quick and easy OS that doesn't offer the option to troubleshoot and fix beyond a point n click ---power PC. So Linux is not only the most *reasonable* solution for me, but it provides me with everything I want and need to run on my sucky PII and still be current with technology. It also provides a stable and fast OS for my two dollars and all the support I need if I'm willing to dig for it instead of dialing 1-900-Microcrap or whatever number Gateway provides.
If I buy a Chevrolet part and and it doesn't fit my Ford, is it a defective part?
Actually you probably could buy a Chevy part and have it work on your Ford considering the almost universal assembly line parts protocol of late. Example.. Last weekend my emissions coil went belly up while I was travelling. The only auto shop open (on Saturday) happened to be a Chevy dealership. I have a Pontiac Grand-Am. The Chevy dealer replaced my coil (to the tune of $500.00) and although I felt it was a ripoff, I was on my way again. Now I don't know shit about car mechanics, but I wondered what ever happened to the good old-fashioned *detect the problem and fix it yourself* carborator? I'm guessing car manufacturers are going with the same attitude as Microsoft and Mac --- People are too stupid to troubleshoot and fix things themselves so we'll make it easier for all and create stupid-proof machines. We'll also charge off-the-wall prices for the machines and the support as well. That's another reason why it's NOT *reasonable* for me to take Linux back.
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Why don't they just start passing out the soma and spoon feeding us corporate-filtered news and entertainment instead trying to pretend that what they are doing is really in our best interest?
Actually 23 huge multi-media corporations were doing just that since 1982. The figure filtered down to approx. 9 media conglomerates in 1992. I think it's probably down to less than 6 now. They own and control the distribution of *news* internationally. In who's best interest?
The Media Monopoly
I've never used a MAC so I'll have to take ur *gasp* word *gasp* on it. But ... here's what linux allows you to do .
... choice.
You have the choice in linux distros to either install or not install the applications available. You may install the whole distro (if you have the space) or just install what you need (for now) and then if you need a proggy later, you can install it then without rebooting your system or having to do a completely new install.
Keyword here
That's right and guess who's next? Now you know why AOL/TimeWarner have bought Schumer to squelch it.
LOL type /deltree windows Just do it. I did it in Nov. 99 and have never looked back :).
and Windows XP is the best Windows there is.
How can you know that if it isn't released yet? Market hype maybe? I don't know, you tell me.
Fair enough - let them have thier "innovations" - but only those developed over the last 5 years.
... "let them have their "purchases and hostile takeovers". I think not.
Microsoft innovations and development? If we let M$ keep everything they've innovated and developed over the last 5 yrs the sum total would be zero. Rephrase that
I'm confused about something. Was Dimitri alone in the USA or were there other people from his company also in the states at the time? If there were other reps present why weren't they also arrested?
Oh I see! Now Americans are calling for the respect of foreign national laws? Afghanistan or China anyone?
That's kind of a short-sighted view, isn't it? Wouldn't it be better to have this one go to trial, and give the DMCA a chance to get tossed out as unconstitutional?
The Iran hostage-taking incident lasted 444 days. Americans were being held hostage against their will by a foreign gov't who believed (as you seem to believe) that they were justified in their actions of holding foreign nationals to prove a political point. Do you remember the outpouring of rage coming from the USA and its allies?
Yet, in all your wisdom, you feel it is perfectly justifiable to hold a foreign national hostage ( a Russian at that) here in the USA at the beckoning of a corporation that is testing the DMCA? Do you really believe testing the constitutionality of the DMCA in the courts is worth the international uproar this is going to rightfully cause? This incident should scare the shit out of every American. It is dangerous not only domestically, but also as it pertains to international relations.
Didn't the DMCA get passed in congress by a unanimous VOICE VOTE? In who's best interest? Every single US resident should be screaming blue murder about this shameful incident and demanding the immediate release of Dimitri. To hell with going after Robert Meuller, he's just a Bush croney. This whole damn administration should be on the chopping block. The jester in the White House is enraging the entire world at the begging of multi-national corporations. Seems to me that's more grounds for impeachment than lying about a blowjob.
While I dont wish the man to stay in jail, he will still have his day in court.
You need to get real! Like Dimitri will even be in the USA long enough for this to go to court? Not if the Russians have anything to say about it. This is going to come back and suck the USA dry and they walked right into it. If I were going to travel abroad I'd be very very intimidated to do so in this very hostile climate.
I'd feel really sorry for making Sklyarov an accidental martyr, but I still think that the best thing for this nation as a whole would be for the criminal case to continue so that it can ultimately be appealed to the Supreme court, who will really have no choice but to strike down the DMCA.
I agree that this law needs to be challenged in the courts and it will be soon enough. However, I do not think holding a foreign national hostage under bogus charges brought on by greed inc. will help anything. This man is a human being with a family and for us to even attempt to involve him in this is ludicrous. Is the USA so gung ho to create an international incident as to persue this case?
EFF.org says:
"We strongly support the DMCA and the enforcement of copyright protection of digital content," said Colleen Pouliot, Senior Vice President and General Counsel for Adobe. "However, the prosecution of this individual in this particular case is not conducive to the best interests of any of the parties involved or the industry. ElcomSoft's Advanced eBook Processor software is no longer available in the United States, and from that perspective the DMCA worked. Adobe will continue to protect its copyright interests and those of its customers."
San Jose, Calif. - Adobe Systems Incorporated (Nasdaq: ADBE) and the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) today jointly recommend the release of Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov from federal custody. Adobe is also withdrawing its support for the criminal complaint against Dmitry Sklyarov.
Visit www.eff.org for more details
It's the old "video games build hand-eye co-ordiation" thing ... The other thing that doesn't seem to be mentioned is how RPG, puzzel games, and especially the Zelda series (at least for me) build logic skills and skills of observation that I think would be hard to get in other places.
Don't feel bad. They didn't mention the *older* pinball games either.
once I started college and met a bunch of Quake addicts in person, my social life skyrocketted.
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It's interesting to ask if chat rooms are making us a lesser society or if chat rooms are bringing together otherwise socially disenfranchsied people.
Technology has always had to deal with this question. Can the same not be said of the telephone which lessened the activity of visiting people? What about the television which further isolated people from one another? Are those two innovations evil as well? .
Thanks, I'll check it out :). I'm not into hero worship, but I think if there was any human being that deserves admiration it's Chomsky. He dared to turn his back on lucrative corporate contracts to get the truth out. You don't get much braver than that.
name one major software package IRC (Finland) mIRC (Egland) MP3 (Germany) CDs (Germany) Corel (Canada) Opera (Norway)
Yep you're right. It's called imperialism.
Your idea is a good one and a poster above even prepared a draft for you and I. However, it will fall on deaf ears as corporate-backed governemnts agree with and support such draconian legislation. Even a massive letter-writing campaign will only produce political lip to no avail. The best route IMHO are boycotts. Nothing will get the corporate ear faster than a boycott from the world's largest market.
... it will not make the shareholders happy.
The RIAA, Microsoft and Adobe have laid their cards out on the table and it's our turn to call their bluff or fold. I suggest that if their last public market releases were their very last in a long time, they will be more willing to lend us an ear and withdraw. Word of mouth and organized grass roots boycotts are very powerful weapons
I'm amazed that Americans put up with so much crap from all angles. Is this what our country was born upon? Each of us have choices as human beings. We can question everything and not settle for doublespeak, or we can make small (seemingly insignificant jestures at first) that create mountains in the long term.
A seemingly frivolous example follows: when I was shopping for a major appliance a while back I asked the salesperson how many of these appliances were returned. He was stunned and said nobody had ever asked him that question before (he wasn't a kid but an experienced salesman for a large retail store). He checked his records which allowed me to make an intelligent decision about what purchase to make. I decided that it was in MY best interests to have my older appliance repaired because its quality was far superior to any new product I saw.
A significant boycott of products that are devoid of quality and of corporations that have little or no regard for the harm their enforced policies do to us (their customers) would have a long term and lasting effect on their bottom line. Let corporations and governments alike know that we will not tolerate unfair business practices and draconian oligarchial legislation.
Who are they going to replace us with?
Foreign workers (programmers admins etc) who come in on work visas. The corporations have already *bought* these visas so they import technical people from around the world who are severely restricted under the visa. The corps do not have to pay them benefits, have them work unspeakabale amounts of unpaid (or underpaid) overtime and hold the threat of deportation over their heads if they so much as sigh in protest.
What ever happened to *you cannot fill a job in America with a foreign worker as long as there is an American who can fill the job?* Seems to me there are a lot of techies unemployed but the foreign workers keep flooding in.
The Hudsons Bay Company is and always has been a Canadian company. It was founded around (and because of) the fur trade. The spoils of the fur trade (fur) were all shipped back to England and the monies (albeit) pittiful, that were realized by fur trading were taxed by England to the hilt. Not many fur traders got rich from the trade.
I agree with post #230 that Americans need to start making INFORMED DECISIONS. However, that will not be possible until the (any) subject is brought up as a TOPIC OF ANALYSIS ... involving public debate from as many perspectives as possible. The American mass media is a huge propoganda machine and its contents have been bought and sold without the consent or even the consulatation of the people.
Americans will NOT get any objective news from the mass media in any form. The mass media (including, television, radio, newspapers, magazines, and books) are dominated by the same multi-national corporations that bring lazy (let's have it fast and easy ) Americans their nightly news flashes on the boob tube. These media monopoly corporations turn wants itno NEEDS and dictate the way average Joe America thinks, dreams, acts, speaks, eats, works, and plays, It is in the best interests of these huge corporations to keep the masses dependant and ignorant and they own and control the means to do so.
There are voices of reason out there in beautiful downtown America. The mainstream rote learners (couch potatos) like to call them crackpots, liberal fanatics, and eco-terrorists (or whatever other buzz words the mass media dreams up) so they don't have to face the truth. It's very hard for people to come to grips with the fact that everything they've believed in and trusted their entire lives is a lie. It's a real challenge for ordinary Joes to break free from their comfortable little paradigms, but until they do, they are being held hostage to the whims of corrupt governments who are also controlled by these same multi-national corporations.
The Internet has been an invaluable tool in helping people to see beyond the propoganda machine and seek knowledge. There are also a few good journals available to the public, like Zmag for example, that contain no corporate sponsorship and thus are free from influence. There are some excellent academic works like Media Monopoly by Ben Bagdikian and Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky that spell out the conspiracy of corporate America in black and white. These authors are not crackpot leftists, they are the intellectuals in our modern civilized *cough* world that dare to tell the truth and dare to back up their findings. They stand accountable to us, the conscience of America, and the entire free world.Give up a couple of hours of primetime TV and go to the library or the bookstore and pick up these books and read them. Above all, do not depend on any corporate-sponsored media for an objective and honest view.
They want to discontinue relaying coz they don't want to pay a skilled admin to maintain the mail server. An admin would properly configure DNS reverse lookup to verify if the from field is a valid address and not a vhost.
Another thing is to check outgoing mail. If a user sends more than 200 emails a day, it's obviously a spam.It's automatically generated.
Verizon obviously feels the need to cutback on its overhead more than to stop spam. Didn't Verizon recently cut a lot of jobs? Guess what? LOL it's not rocket science folx. If I were a Verizon customer I'd drop it like a hot potato(e) even if it meant going back to a 56k line.
David Duncan Scott wrote:
:P. You are correct, it does say on the box that it works with Windoes and Mac OS and does not say it supports linux. Howevber, it does say it has both USB & SCSI-2 interface. I was after the SCSI works. It's a nice peice of hardware ... 36-bit Internal color with 42-bit color output.
.. Last weekend my emissions coil went belly up while I was travelling. The only auto shop open (on Saturday) happened to be a Chevy dealership. I have a Pontiac Grand-Am. The Chevy dealer replaced my coil (to the tune of $500.00) and although I felt it was a ripoff, I was on my way again. Now I don't know shit about car mechanics, but I wondered what ever happened to the good old-fashioned *detect the problem and fix it yourself* carborator? I'm guessing car manufacturers are going with the same attitude as Microsoft and Mac --- People are too stupid to troubleshoot and fix things themselves so we'll make it easier for all and create stupid-proof machines. We'll also charge off-the-wall prices for the machines and the support as well. That's another reason why it's NOT *reasonable* for me to take Linux back.
I would wager that it says on the box that the scanner is designed to work with Windows. It might even say that it works with the Mac OS. I really doubt, however, that it claims Linux support, and I don't think it's reasonable to presume that such exists.
You had to make me pull out the box didn't you
It would be just as reasonable to "return" Linux, since it doesn't work with the scanner, as it would be to return the scanner because it doesn't work with Linux.
I'd return Linux (and get my $2.00 back) in a heartbeat if I could find a *reasonable* alternative.Mac is out of the question and I can't afford, nor do I want a quick and easy OS that doesn't offer the option to troubleshoot and fix beyond a point n click ---power PC. So Linux is not only the most *reasonable* solution for me, but it provides me with everything I want and need to run on my sucky PII and still be current with technology. It also provides a stable and fast OS for my two dollars and all the support I need if I'm willing to dig for it instead of dialing 1-900-Microcrap or whatever number Gateway provides.
If I buy a Chevrolet part and and it doesn't fit my Ford, is it a defective part?
Actually you probably could buy a Chevy part and have it work on your Ford considering the almost universal assembly line parts protocol of late. Example