That only underscores that systems without strong central control and completely unsuitable for general public.
Following KDE guidelines is of no use if user of your application has no KDE installed.
Oh so this is our fucking fault that bunch of idiots somewhere in Europe were bend on self-destruction and we DID NOT act soon enough to stop them from doing so ?
Really?
Please, next time there is a significant change in your government check gets replace, you would be surprised..
"American politics are so terribly transparent all the rest of the world is LAUGHING AT YOU."
I am sure then will stop laughing when there is a time for US to come in and save their asses (it happened twice last century, who are you to say it won't happen again?)
"and I commit, at least virtually killing Nazis is fun and entertainmant."
Really? Why don't you go out on the streets and start killing everyone 70 years old or older?
The chances are most of them were in some way associated with Nazi regime and helped build Nazi Germany back then.
Remember, when you mention Nazis you most likely talk about ordinary soldiers ( even 95 % of SS members were ordinary soldier), soldiers who frankly weren't all that different than you. They did serve their Nation the best they could (millions of then dying) and sincerely believed in Nazi doctrine. There was nothing "inhuman" about them, certainly not more than there was about American GIs or British soldiers during second war.
Real-time cut scenes?
If one can make "cut scenes" generated at real time and affected by user input how is that different from "standard" in-game rendering?
Cut scenes are almost always useless bullshit, why not just put people in control?
Well, this should be quite embarrassing for Pixar guys because for all that money spend and incredible amount of hardware used, Pixar stuff does not look 800,000 times better no matter how you cut it.
Nvidia products offer much better value for the money..
How things are in Ireland. I have heard in the last 10 years you guys have been doing great as far as technology industry is concerned.
Did you get hit by recent "recessions" ?
"marketing and momentum win over superior design and performance. "
And whose fault is that?
People are responsible for raise and fall of Alpha chips.
Nobody bothered to buy Alphas when NT was available on it, not much better for UNIX side.
Basically, people rejected Alpha...
"It was in fact a commercial entity getting a free ride, though in this case it was the free app using their library. "
Let's see. Troll folks wrote great library, released it free for people who weren't interested in making money with it.
End of story.
I am hard pressed to find anyone there trying to get a free ride.
"Do you also vividly recall how, at the time, Qt was not free (no fue libre)? "
It was. For me and countless others who enjoyed using it on frequent basis ( KDE projects being one of the biggest around.)
"1. Do you know how Microsoft forced the sale of IIS through deceit and an underhanded license agreement? "
So ? I know plenty of people who made and continue to make mistakes. They get punished for it in one way or another - should I discontinue my relationship with them just because they are fallible human beings?
Same goes for Microsoft, I am sure they have done things, which weren't commendable, but in my opinion, their overall conduct was pretty decent.
"2. Do you know how Microsoft forced the sale of IE through bundling which provided no benefit to consumers?"
How can you say that? For you, maybe, but I became avid user of IE starting with version 3.1 and therefore directly benefited from having this software bundled with MS OS ( or other products.)
You obviously have a problem with acknowledging that people CAN have radically different opinions than you. Your "facts" are unequivocal while my "subjective" opinions are simply bragging of a "drunken individual."
"No, I would not. I would instead ask you to support your argument. "
One word: GPL. I vividly remember how much pain and bad press KDE folks got from FSF and GPL zealots. We are not talking here about some commercial entity trying to free ride on other people code.
We are talking about freedom fighters like RMS actually going out of their way to disturb other peoples _free_ work simply because it failed to meet their criteria of freedom.
"Do you know how they forced the sale of IE through bundling which provided no added benefit to consumers?"
No, I never felt threatened or oppressed by MS.
Frankly, I feel the only reason I was able to afford a lot of hardware and software was revolution brought to this industry by MS folks.
Remember Unix market? How stiff and out of reach with reality these companies were and still are.
Bottom line:
You argue that I and countless others are being robed of our freedoms by Microsoft.
Funny thing, I don't feel that way and, my impression is that most people don't feel that way either.
You do live in a different world.
I do not oppose legit issue people have with tabbaco corporatios advertising their stuff to kids.
If anybody can find and prove this kind of practice going on, I am all for slapping masive fines on tabacoo boys.
On the other hand, lack of personal responsibility cannot be blamed on people who simply provided legal product ( how many people in their twenties perfectly realise dangers of smoking yet still continue to do so ? )
"that is compulsively reluctant to provide public health care services"
Yeah, but this is your assumption that public health care is better than mostly private one as we have now.
I do not agree with it nor does majority of Americans ( witness genuine unpopularity of Clinton's wife attempt to introduce European style health care system)
This is precisely the question that people should be asking every time they encounter somebody claiming how revolutionary Linux is.
From the technological point of view, there is nothing there that has not been done before (often better.)
Frankly, the only unique part is HOW it was developed but it has not much to do with the technology itself. We are not talking here about revolutionary new stuff... Sure people managed to almost completely duplicate standard Unix platform without central management and often without funds but I fail to see how does it change anything.
One cannot escape conclusion that OS model is good enough for duplicatinh stuff that has been done before (no need for research) but completely fails at introducing innovative solutions and ideas (please feel free to correct me here, but I have never seen truly innovative OS project - everything seems to be remake of some existing - usually commercial - application.)
I wonder how much of this was "paid for" by people who did not even know what they were paying for.
After all, tons of OS developers have a daily job and I am hard pressed to believe they restrain themselves from doing stuff during their working hours.
Wrong.
You are comparing single company Microsoft to the entire OS/FREE community.
How about comparing to Windows community (with thousands of excellent free or shareware apps)?
Frankly, if we go that far why don't we include all these commercial apps available for Windows?
After all this is the model Windows world operates on so it would be only fair to include them as well.
So to summarize, compared to Windows community Linux is not much more than a small dot...
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That only underscores that systems without strong central control and completely unsuitable for general public.
Following KDE guidelines is of no use if user of your application has no KDE installed.
". That way they only need tar, the uncompress program (gzip/bzip), and maybe bash (if ./install is a shell script and not a executable)"
Are you nuts ? You expect people to type tar -zxvf blabla_11.12.232__bin_i486.tar.gz ???
What kind of "packinging" is that ?
There is a huge difference, Hitler and Stalin forced peopel to part with their money (taxes etc ) while people willingly paid for MS products.
Oh so this is our fucking fault that bunch of idiots somewhere in Europe were bend on self-destruction and we DID NOT act soon enough to stop them from doing so ?
How fucking more ridiculous you can get?
Really?
Please, next time there is a significant change in your government check gets replace, you would be surprised..
"American politics are so terribly transparent all the rest of the world is LAUGHING AT YOU."
I am sure then will stop laughing when there is a time for US to come in and save their asses (it happened twice last century, who are you to say it won't happen again?)
Go read something about that time period before you make an ass of yourself.
"That Microsoft can buy VA Linux for about 1% of its avertising campaign for XBox? "
...
That says something about legitimacy of "new OS economy" evangelists like ERS
"and I commit, at least virtually killing Nazis is fun and entertainmant."
Really? Why don't you go out on the streets and start killing everyone 70 years old or older?
The chances are most of them were in some way associated with Nazi regime and helped build Nazi Germany back then.
Remember, when you mention Nazis you most likely talk about ordinary soldiers ( even 95 % of SS members were ordinary soldier), soldiers who frankly weren't all that different than you. They did serve their Nation the best they could (millions of then dying) and sincerely believed in Nazi doctrine. There was nothing "inhuman" about them, certainly not more than there was about American GIs or British soldiers during second war.
Real-time cut scenes?
If one can make "cut scenes" generated at real time and affected by user input how is that different from "standard" in-game rendering?
Cut scenes are almost always useless bullshit, why not just put people in control?
"That lags real time by a factor of 800,000"
..
Well, this should be quite embarrassing for Pixar guys because for all that money spend and incredible amount of hardware used, Pixar stuff does not look 800,000 times better no matter how you cut it.
Nvidia products offer much better value for the money
If you don't have anything written down then it is your word against mine.
In cases like that it is extremely hard to determine who was first.
"good od mayor" is one the best things that happened to NY in the last 30 or so years.
...
"Anyways, I haven't seen a decent arcade in ages, and the ones I do see are all like Starbucks type places with bars, neon lights, etc. "
Well, there you go. People simply don't play these games anymore, has nothing to do with politicians banning them or whatever
How things are in Ireland. I have heard in the last 10 years you guys have been doing great as far as technology industry is concerned.
Did you get hit by recent "recessions" ?
"marketing and momentum win over superior design and performance. "
...
And whose fault is that?
People are responsible for raise and fall of Alpha chips.
Nobody bothered to buy Alphas when NT was available on it, not much better for UNIX side.
Basically, people rejected Alpha
Hell you gonna end up being blamed for betting on the wrong horse.
Better get out of there BEFORE your current alphas will need to be replaced.
"It was in fact a commercial entity getting a free ride, though in this case it was the free app using their library. "
Let's see. Troll folks wrote great library, released it free for people who weren't interested in making money with it.
End of story.
I am hard pressed to find anyone there trying to get a free ride.
"Do you also vividly recall how, at the time, Qt was not free (no fue libre)? "
It was. For me and countless others who enjoyed using it on frequent basis ( KDE projects being one of the biggest around.)
"1. Do you know how Microsoft forced the sale of IIS through deceit and an underhanded license agreement? "
So ? I know plenty of people who made and continue to make mistakes. They get punished for it in one way or another - should I discontinue my relationship with them just because they are fallible human beings?
Same goes for Microsoft, I am sure they have done things, which weren't commendable, but in my opinion, their overall conduct was pretty decent.
"2. Do you know how Microsoft forced the sale of IE through bundling which provided no benefit to consumers?"
How can you say that? For you, maybe, but I became avid user of IE starting with version 3.1 and therefore directly benefited from having this software bundled with MS OS ( or other products.)
You obviously have a problem with acknowledging that people CAN have radically different opinions than you. Your "facts" are unequivocal while my "subjective" opinions are simply bragging of a "drunken individual."
"No, I would not. I would instead ask you to support your argument. "
One word: GPL. I vividly remember how much pain and bad press KDE folks got from FSF and GPL zealots. We are not talking here about some commercial entity trying to free ride on other people code.
We are talking about freedom fighters like RMS actually going out of their way to disturb other peoples _free_ work simply because it failed to meet their criteria of freedom.
"Do you know how they forced the sale of IE through bundling which provided no added benefit to consumers?"
No, I never felt threatened or oppressed by MS.
Frankly, I feel the only reason I was able to afford a lot of hardware and software was revolution brought to this industry by MS folks.
Remember Unix market? How stiff and out of reach with reality these companies were and still are.
Bottom line:
You argue that I and countless others are being robed of our freedoms by Microsoft.
Funny thing, I don't feel that way and, my impression is that most people don't feel that way either.
You do live in a different world.
Emacs:
... just another browser.
No way, it is simply an overblown editor ( equivlent of MS Word for programmers )
GCC:
C compiler - enough said. It has been ported to many platforms but it is still C compiler.
Tex/LaText:
This one is close. There are typesetting commercial system available but , well, you might have a point here.
X11: MIT project , has nothing to do with OS
Mozilla: Eh
I do not oppose legit issue people have with tabbaco corporatios advertising their stuff to kids.
If anybody can find and prove this kind of practice going on, I am all for slapping masive fines on tabacoo boys.
On the other hand, lack of personal responsibility cannot be blamed on people who simply provided legal product ( how many people in their twenties perfectly realise dangers of smoking yet still continue to do so ? )
"that is compulsively reluctant to provide public health care services"
Yeah, but this is your assumption that public health care is better than mostly private one as we have now.
I do not agree with it nor does majority of Americans ( witness genuine unpopularity of Clinton's wife attempt to introduce European style health care system)
No, I was talking about technological side.
Maybe they don't need an advanced editor ( with extremely confusing and steep, ops "advanced" learning curve)
", what separates Linux from the older *NIXes? "
... Sure people managed to almost completely duplicate standard Unix platform without central management and often without funds but I fail to see how does it change anything.
This is precisely the question that people should be asking every time they encounter somebody claiming how revolutionary Linux is.
From the technological point of view, there is nothing there that has not been done before (often better.)
Frankly, the only unique part is HOW it was developed but it has not much to do with the technology itself. We are not talking here about revolutionary new stuff
One cannot escape conclusion that OS model is good enough for duplicatinh stuff that has been done before (no need for research) but completely fails at introducing innovative solutions and ideas (please feel free to correct me here, but I have never seen truly innovative OS project - everything seems to be remake of some existing - usually commercial - application.)
I wonder how much of this was "paid for" by people who did not even know what they were paying for.
After all, tons of OS developers have a daily job and I am hard pressed to believe they restrain themselves from doing stuff during their working hours.
Wrong. ...
You are comparing single company Microsoft to the entire OS/FREE community.
How about comparing to Windows community (with thousands of excellent free or shareware apps)?
Frankly, if we go that far why don't we include all these commercial apps available for Windows?
After all this is the model Windows world operates on so it would be only fair to include them as well.
So to summarize, compared to Windows community Linux is not much more than a small dot