Opposition to Concorde in the US also had a lot to do with it. The 'not-invented-here' lobby can be pretty powerful.
NIH wasn't all of it...probably not even most of it. Luddism was a bigger part of it. Boeing had a supersonic airliner, the 2707, in the works that would've been faster and offered more space than either the Concorde or the Tu-144 (the Russian supersonic airliner, similar in size and speed to the Concorde). The environmentalist wackos of the early '70s shot it down. Once they had the 2707 killed off, it would've only followed that they would seek restrictions on where/how fast the Concorde could fly while in our airspace.
you do realise that customer lock in freebie phones have nothing to do with the _real_ price of the phone? the freebie aspect was/is there to get the customer in and then leech him on the plan. the phone is not FREE, you pay for it dearly(but not up front).
I used to sell the things...so yes, I do realize that there's a substantial subsidy (used to be a $300 charge if you canceled service in the first year, but that might've come down in recent years). Pretty much the only way you'll pay more than $200 for a phone is if it's a phone/PDA combo...the average WinCE-based phone/PDA will go for $300 or so, while something nice (like a Palm Tungsten W) could set you back $500 or more. As a result of the high prices, you don't see too many of them running around...you can buy separate devices that cost less, and you can replace your phone without worrying about your PDA data. Having the two mashed together isn't worth the extra expense, for most people.
that still managed to deliver 8-10 hours of standby time.
Wow. My Nokia 8910 gives me nearly 2 WEEKS of standby.
I did say it was six or seven years ago. IIRC, the larger battery I had for it would get all the way through a day, which was not at all common at the time.
The phone I'm using now runs for 2-3 days on what look like some slightly elongated AAA cells. That's all the standby time anybody needs...if you're going on a trip, you bring a car cord along so you can recharge.
palm zire 21 (i know we all buy the absolute cheapest pda's) $99, plus say $199 for a reasonable mobile, equals $298 for nearly slumming it!
Who pays $200 for a cellphone anymore? Even back in the day, the kinda high-end (for the time) analog phone I had was $150 or so...for a Motorola with alphanumeric memory, vibrating call alert, and a skinny NiMH battery that still managed to deliver 8-10 hours of standby time. There were a bunch of phones available at the time ('96 or '97) that were anywhere from free to $20 or so after activation. I paid more for the accessories (case and car cord) for my current phone than for the phone itself...it's not one of those thumb-sized phones that some people wear like jewelry, but it gets the job done (it's smaller than my first phone, but it's not obnoxiously small).
I own a 100% legit Avid editing system, however I downloaded a crack and use it on my system.
The reason?
If you lose the hardware key (dongle), or it gets stolen, Avid helpfully suggests you buy another full copy of their software to replace it.
So I use the crack on my system and have the dongle locked up somewhere safe where nothing is going to happen to it.
I do something similar with FineReader Pro...there's no dongle associated with that program, but the try-before-you-buy CD I picked up @ Comdex loads CDilla spyware (the same crap Intuit used with TurboTax, which was about the time I learned about the problems with CDilla). I had already paid for FineReader by the time I learned of this problem. (It's a fairly decent OCR program, actually...it did a better job of scanning in articles & programs from Nibble than most other programs I've tried.)
Before my next system nuke-and-reinstall, I obtained a CDilla-free version of the program (probably ripped from a retail-box CD) and a crack from one of the usual sources. Instead of reinstalling from the try-before-you-buy CD and reactivating with the key for which I forked over a C-note (saved to CD-R when I bought it), I install the downloaded version and patch it with the crack. It runs the same as it always did, and I don't have CDilla phoning home from my computer.
It's a bit of a problem when software publishers take steps that actually make it easier/better for people to keep using warez than to go legit...the warez crowd will almost always find a workaround after some (frequently short) length of time. Abbyy got my money once, but after this abuse of trust, it won't be getting my money in the future. I've already passed on one upgrade "opportunity," but I don't think I'm missing out on anything. I suspect the users of Adobe's higher-end products will come to a similar conclusion. (As for me, I only use Acrobat Reader...Ghostscript does a good job converting PostScript from the "MS Publisher Color Printer" driver to PDF. I could use GSview and have no Adobe software at all, but Acrobat Reader makes manual-duplex printing a little bit easier and handles some broken PDFs a bit better.)
(If anyone here is anywhere near Vegas tomorrow, there'll be a big brew demo @ Beer & Brew Gear, 147 Water St., Henderson. I'll be making a partial-mash Jever clone and several other people will make other beers with methods ranging from extract-only to all-grain.)
If djbdns and qmail are so good, why aren't they defaults any distros? Why hasn't FreeBSD, which has an excellent reputation for stability and the overall quality of the whole package, chosen to make them defaults over sendmail and bind?
"If Linux is so good, why do computers have Windows preinstalled on them instead?" That's a weak argument for Windows, and so is yours.
I don't see how Gentoo is complying with the license. Applying patches after the fact is a work-around. You still wind-up with a modified version. There is no difference between that and an RPM that starts with the original tarball and applies patches and builds binaries.
How is Gentoo breaking any license? The only condition is that you leave the original source tarball alone if you're going to redistribute it. If you're ultra-paranoid WRT the patches the Gentoo maintainers have chosen, I'm sure you could tweak an ebuild so that builds a plain-vanilla, unpatched djbdns (actually, djbdns-1.05-r3.ebuild builds an unpatched djbdns as long as you're not using IPv6). While there may be a case to be made that there is no difference in the end result of distributing pre-patched source or binaries vs. distributing unpatched source and a handful of patches, there is also a case to be made that for software that can be made vulnerable by a sloppy edit, you wouldn't want someone else to apply a bunch of patches to your source, make another tarball of the patched source, and pass that off as the original package. Gentoo doesn't do that...a djbdns ebuild grabs the source tarball from cr.yp.to and the patches (if any) from their maintainers' sites.
Most of the patches in Redhat/Fedora/Mandark/Etc are there to beat a program in to working with the rest of the system.
The patches Gentoo makes to djbdns add functionality to djbdns. If you wanted, you could download the source tarball yourself, unpack it, build it, and install it--on Gentoo, LFS, or a number of non-Linux OSen. If it won't build on (for instance) Redh*t without a fight, that would suggest to me that something's wrong with Redh*t. (I suspect it would build on Redh*t without problems, but I don't run binary distros anymore.)
Compared to Bind 8, or 9? Bind 9 has a pretty good security record, being a complete rewrite of previous versions. Its pretty easy to set up, it, especially since, unlike DJBDNS, its open source, so you can get binary packages
Umm...if djbdns isn't open-source, then how is it that I've been able to install it on source-based distros like Gentoo and LFS? I'll allow that it's not GPL'd, but I'm not a GPL-ueber-alles zealot. (The stuff I write outside work is usually GPL'd, but I won't bash anybody for choosing other terms of distribution.)
(I couldn't care less if a binary package is available. I'd rather have something that's optimized for the hardware on which it's running, whether that's a dual P!!!, an Athlon XP, or whatever. That's why I switched from SuSE to LFS years ago. The switch from LFS to Gentoo was mainly to automate what I was already doing by hand with LFS. YMMV, but that's the way I do things.)
I think it's ugly having to install all that extra framework just for one program though.
Maybe...but it's not exactly like you're installing WinXP.:-) I would be surprised if daemontools and ucspi-tcp took more than a meg or two, optimized and stripped. (FWIW, someone else posted that there is a way to run djbdns by itself...can't say that I've tried it, but the link should be further up in this thread.)
The last few times I've installed djbdns, all I've had to do was type in
emerge djbdns, go away for a few minutes, come back, and start adding data.
emerge: Bad command or file name. Installing and configuring Gentoo Linux on a production system is not always an option.
So it ends up being a bit more work by not having the build process automated if you're stuck running Redh*t/SuSE/etc. For someone other than a paper MCSE, it shouldn't be a problem.
Distribute an unmodified tarball, along with whatever patches you want to apply
Applying a patch to a copyrighted program prepares a derivative work of that program. Will it be lawful under all nations' copyright laws for end users of DJB's programs to apply such patches, compile the patched programs, and run the compiled binaries?
The worst that'll happen if someone runs a patched djbdns is that if it breaks, DJB won't want anything to do with your problems. Do you honestly think that some government thug is going to lock you up and throw away the key for running a patched djbdns? Get real.
Just posting this at +2 because I don't have mod points and I agree with the AC poster 100%:
I would say the pro-DJB astroturfers outnumber the antis by 10:1. Could we have one single article about sendmail or bind without the DJB pimping?
If sendmail & BIND didn't suck so hard, you wouldn't see so many people willing to mention alternatives (whether qmail & djbdns or some other MTA and/or DNS server).
It would be nice if the license got clarified on this app so that it could be shipped with distributions.
The last few times I've installed djbdns, all I've had to do was type in emerge djbdns, go away for a few minutes, come back, and start adding data.
Last time I checked, DJB's usual license says you can't distribute modified versions without prior approval. BFD. Distribute an unmodified tarball, along with whatever patches you want to apply, and set up your install script to patch, compile, and install. That's how Gentoo handles it, anyway...a recent ebuild lists 22 different patches to be applied to qmail and 4 patches to be applied to djbdns.
Your characterization of that patch is incorrect. It blocks A RRs which contain a specifc IPv4 address. This is not what the BIND patch does, it's far more general.
How it goes about doing what it does, I think, is a minor point. For purposes of blocking sitefinder.verisign.com's IP address in response to a DNS lookup of some other domain, it gets the job done without affecting other lookups. (You can punch in http://sitefinder.verisign.com/ and still go there, if that's what you want to do. It's only a lookup of something like http://dfsdshsdfsdfadfasdfs.fdjsdfajhfsdajhsdfajks dfjka.com/ that will fail, as it should.)
Is there a way to install and run it without having to install the rest of his daemon management stuff? I like to disrupt as few things as possible when making changes to my gateway.
I don't think so...but there's no reason why you couldn't use daemontools and ucspi-tcp only with djbdns and continue using whatever else for your other services. They're also useful to have on hand if you're using qmail (as I am).
(The only other publically-accessible services I usually run are httpd (Apache) and sshd (OpenSSH), and they're standalone processes that monitor the appropriate ports by themselves. inetd isn't even installed on my servers.)
It's nowhere near as difficult to set up as BIND, it's more secure than BIND, and there's a patch available to block Verisign's wildcard lookups. I've been running the patched version at home and at work since shortly after Verisign added the wildcard records and haven't had issues with any DNS queries.
But where this really comes into play is when existing AOL users call in wanting to cancel their membership. "Oh, you want to cancel? Well, can your new ISP do THIS??"
I got my grandfather switched away from AOHell last week. Once Mozilla was up and running (for both mail and browsing) on his computer with his new ISP account, he called AOHell to unsubscribe...they appear to have no page within their system for that purpose. I told him in advance that they'd likely throw all kinds of stuff at him to get him to stay, but that being insistent with them should work. Fifteen minutes later, he was unsubscribed.
(I'm a bit pissed that even the for-pay version of Netzero installs spyware (UCmore and Webhancer, IIRC) that hoses your system if you let AdAware remove it. At least it gave me the opportunity to see WinMe's system-rollback feature do its job.:-| Since the spyware components most likely only hook into IE, I suspect that the ongoing use of Mozilla will limit the damage it can do. I would've signed up with a no-name cut-rate ISP, but he wanted something with at least some name recognition that wasn't AOHell or MSN and that was the first thing we ran across. Also, I only found out about the spyware after he was already signed up.)
I thought the color signals were backwards compatable with black&white ones. Or is this only with NTSC?
The Brits had a 400-some-odd-line B&W format in use before PAL (which uses 625 scanlines). While NTSC was designed so that existing American B&W TVs could get a useful signal from it (both use 525 scanlines), PAL was designed without such backward-compatibility concerns.
For x86 hardware, my dual Athlon MP rig at home still has the 5.25" floppy drive I bought 12 years ago to go into a 286. (It's now hooked up as B: instead of A:, but there's an option in CMOS setup to flip the drives around if I should need to boot from a 5.25" floppy.)
The Apple IIe that serves as a temperature controller for my beer fridge is a fair bit older than that, though.
Actually, I wanted to implement an "open-for-all" company-wide scratchpad, and Samba on a FAT partition was the only way to do it.
Wouldn't creating a directory with 4777 permission have gotten the same job done, while allowing use of a better filesystem? You can share that directory and make it available to everybody. We have such a directory here on one of our servers, and it works well for letting people share stuff. The only catch is that only a file/directory's creator (or root) can delete something, but that's not been a problem.
30 Gig? I still have my 30 MEG! RLL AND the card to support it.
My PC/XT still has a Seagate ST-225 in it...20 megs of MFM goodness. (The Conner CP340 (40-meg SCSI) I bought for my Apple IIe 13 years ago kicked the bucket a while back...still ran for a long time, though, especially for a refurb.)
btw, can we use that as a noun yet? Like a gaggle of geese, a herd a cattle or a school of fish, can we have a Google of computers?
You could theoretically have a googol (10^100) of computers. The gravitational pull of that many computers would probably cause the sun to crash into it, though, which could present a small problem with your cluster's uptime...
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Here, it would take a constitutional amendment to enable that...and I don't think you'll find much support for it. From Article I, Section 9:
(At first, I thought it was somewhere in the Bill of Rights...as it turned out, it was in the Constitution as it was originally written.)
NIH wasn't all of it...probably not even most of it. Luddism was a bigger part of it. Boeing had a supersonic airliner, the 2707, in the works that would've been faster and offered more space than either the Concorde or the Tu-144 (the Russian supersonic airliner, similar in size and speed to the Concorde). The environmentalist wackos of the early '70s shot it down. Once they had the 2707 killed off, it would've only followed that they would seek restrictions on where/how fast the Concorde could fly while in our airspace.
I used to sell the things...so yes, I do realize that there's a substantial subsidy (used to be a $300 charge if you canceled service in the first year, but that might've come down in recent years). Pretty much the only way you'll pay more than $200 for a phone is if it's a phone/PDA combo...the average WinCE-based phone/PDA will go for $300 or so, while something nice (like a Palm Tungsten W) could set you back $500 or more. As a result of the high prices, you don't see too many of them running around...you can buy separate devices that cost less, and you can replace your phone without worrying about your PDA data. Having the two mashed together isn't worth the extra expense, for most people.
I did say it was six or seven years ago. IIRC, the larger battery I had for it would get all the way through a day, which was not at all common at the time.
The phone I'm using now runs for 2-3 days on what look like some slightly elongated AAA cells. That's all the standby time anybody needs...if you're going on a trip, you bring a car cord along so you can recharge.
Who pays $200 for a cellphone anymore? Even back in the day, the kinda high-end (for the time) analog phone I had was $150 or so...for a Motorola with alphanumeric memory, vibrating call alert, and a skinny NiMH battery that still managed to deliver 8-10 hours of standby time. There were a bunch of phones available at the time ('96 or '97) that were anywhere from free to $20 or so after activation. I paid more for the accessories (case and car cord) for my current phone than for the phone itself...it's not one of those thumb-sized phones that some people wear like jewelry, but it gets the job done (it's smaller than my first phone, but it's not obnoxiously small).
I do something similar with FineReader Pro...there's no dongle associated with that program, but the try-before-you-buy CD I picked up @ Comdex loads CDilla spyware (the same crap Intuit used with TurboTax, which was about the time I learned about the problems with CDilla). I had already paid for FineReader by the time I learned of this problem. (It's a fairly decent OCR program, actually...it did a better job of scanning in articles & programs from Nibble than most other programs I've tried.)
Before my next system nuke-and-reinstall, I obtained a CDilla-free version of the program (probably ripped from a retail-box CD) and a crack from one of the usual sources. Instead of reinstalling from the try-before-you-buy CD and reactivating with the key for which I forked over a C-note (saved to CD-R when I bought it), I install the downloaded version and patch it with the crack. It runs the same as it always did, and I don't have CDilla phoning home from my computer.
It's a bit of a problem when software publishers take steps that actually make it easier/better for people to keep using warez than to go legit...the warez crowd will almost always find a workaround after some (frequently short) length of time. Abbyy got my money once, but after this abuse of trust, it won't be getting my money in the future. I've already passed on one upgrade "opportunity," but I don't think I'm missing out on anything. I suspect the users of Adobe's higher-end products will come to a similar conclusion. (As for me, I only use Acrobat Reader...Ghostscript does a good job converting PostScript from the "MS Publisher Color Printer" driver to PDF. I could use GSview and have no Adobe software at all, but Acrobat Reader makes manual-duplex printing a little bit easier and handles some broken PDFs a bit better.)
If you made your own beer, you wouldn't have this problem. :-)
(If anyone here is anywhere near Vegas tomorrow, there'll be a big brew demo @ Beer & Brew Gear, 147 Water St., Henderson. I'll be making a partial-mash Jever clone and several other people will make other beers with methods ranging from extract-only to all-grain.)
"If Linux is so good, why do computers have Windows preinstalled on them instead?" That's a weak argument for Windows, and so is yours.
How is Gentoo breaking any license? The only condition is that you leave the original source tarball alone if you're going to redistribute it. If you're ultra-paranoid WRT the patches the Gentoo maintainers have chosen, I'm sure you could tweak an ebuild so that builds a plain-vanilla, unpatched djbdns (actually, djbdns-1.05-r3.ebuild builds an unpatched djbdns as long as you're not using IPv6). While there may be a case to be made that there is no difference in the end result of distributing pre-patched source or binaries vs. distributing unpatched source and a handful of patches, there is also a case to be made that for software that can be made vulnerable by a sloppy edit, you wouldn't want someone else to apply a bunch of patches to your source, make another tarball of the patched source, and pass that off as the original package. Gentoo doesn't do that...a djbdns ebuild grabs the source tarball from cr.yp.to and the patches (if any) from their maintainers' sites.
The patches Gentoo makes to djbdns add functionality to djbdns. If you wanted, you could download the source tarball yourself, unpack it, build it, and install it--on Gentoo, LFS, or a number of non-Linux OSen. If it won't build on (for instance) Redh*t without a fight, that would suggest to me that something's wrong with Redh*t. (I suspect it would build on Redh*t without problems, but I don't run binary distros anymore.)
Umm...if djbdns isn't open-source, then how is it that I've been able to install it on source-based distros like Gentoo and LFS? I'll allow that it's not GPL'd, but I'm not a GPL-ueber-alles zealot. (The stuff I write outside work is usually GPL'd, but I won't bash anybody for choosing other terms of distribution.)
(I couldn't care less if a binary package is available. I'd rather have something that's optimized for the hardware on which it's running, whether that's a dual P!!!, an Athlon XP, or whatever. That's why I switched from SuSE to LFS years ago. The switch from LFS to Gentoo was mainly to automate what I was already doing by hand with LFS. YMMV, but that's the way I do things.)
Maybe...but it's not exactly like you're installing WinXP. :-) I would be surprised if daemontools and ucspi-tcp took more than a meg or two, optimized and stripped. (FWIW, someone else posted that there is a way to run djbdns by itself...can't say that I've tried it, but the link should be further up in this thread.)
So it ends up being a bit more work by not having the build process automated if you're stuck running Redh*t/SuSE/etc. For someone other than a paper MCSE, it shouldn't be a problem.
The worst that'll happen if someone runs a patched djbdns is that if it breaks, DJB won't want anything to do with your problems. Do you honestly think that some government thug is going to lock you up and throw away the key for running a patched djbdns? Get real.
If sendmail & BIND didn't suck so hard, you wouldn't see so many people willing to mention alternatives (whether qmail & djbdns or some other MTA and/or DNS server).
The last few times I've installed djbdns, all I've had to do was type in emerge djbdns, go away for a few minutes, come back, and start adding data.
Last time I checked, DJB's usual license says you can't distribute modified versions without prior approval. BFD. Distribute an unmodified tarball, along with whatever patches you want to apply, and set up your install script to patch, compile, and install. That's how Gentoo handles it, anyway...a recent ebuild lists 22 different patches to be applied to qmail and 4 patches to be applied to djbdns.
How it goes about doing what it does, I think, is a minor point. For purposes of blocking sitefinder.verisign.com's IP address in response to a DNS lookup of some other domain, it gets the job done without affecting other lookups. (You can punch in http://sitefinder.verisign.com/ and still go there, if that's what you want to do. It's only a lookup of something like http://dfsdshsdfsdfadfasdfs.fdjsdfajhfsdajhsdfajks dfjka.com/ that will fail, as it should.)
I don't think so...but there's no reason why you couldn't use daemontools and ucspi-tcp only with djbdns and continue using whatever else for your other services. They're also useful to have on hand if you're using qmail (as I am).
(The only other publically-accessible services I usually run are httpd (Apache) and sshd (OpenSSH), and they're standalone processes that monitor the appropriate ports by themselves. inetd isn't even installed on my servers.)
It's nowhere near as difficult to set up as BIND, it's more secure than BIND, and there's a patch available to block Verisign's wildcard lookups. I've been running the patched version at home and at work since shortly after Verisign added the wildcard records and haven't had issues with any DNS queries.
I got my grandfather switched away from AOHell last week. Once Mozilla was up and running (for both mail and browsing) on his computer with his new ISP account, he called AOHell to unsubscribe...they appear to have no page within their system for that purpose. I told him in advance that they'd likely throw all kinds of stuff at him to get him to stay, but that being insistent with them should work. Fifteen minutes later, he was unsubscribed.
(I'm a bit pissed that even the for-pay version of Netzero installs spyware (UCmore and Webhancer, IIRC) that hoses your system if you let AdAware remove it. At least it gave me the opportunity to see WinMe's system-rollback feature do its job. :-| Since the spyware components most likely only hook into IE, I suspect that the ongoing use of Mozilla will limit the damage it can do. I would've signed up with a no-name cut-rate ISP, but he wanted something with at least some name recognition that wasn't AOHell or MSN and that was the first thing we ran across. Also, I only found out about the spyware after he was already signed up.)
The Brits had a 400-some-odd-line B&W format in use before PAL (which uses 625 scanlines). While NTSC was designed so that existing American B&W TVs could get a useful signal from it (both use 525 scanlines), PAL was designed without such backward-compatibility concerns.
The Apple IIe that serves as a temperature controller for my beer fridge is a fair bit older than that, though.
Wouldn't creating a directory with 4777 permission have gotten the same job done, while allowing use of a better filesystem? You can share that directory and make it available to everybody. We have such a directory here on one of our servers, and it works well for letting people share stuff. The only catch is that only a file/directory's creator (or root) can delete something, but that's not been a problem.
My PC/XT still has a Seagate ST-225 in it...20 megs of MFM goodness. (The Conner CP340 (40-meg SCSI) I bought for my Apple IIe 13 years ago kicked the bucket a while back...still ran for a long time, though, especially for a refurb.)
He probably doesn't know the purpose of the three seashells, either...
Looks like there are at least a couple of moderators with bugs up their asses about something today...
You could theoretically have a googol (10^100) of computers. The gravitational pull of that many computers would probably cause the sun to crash into it, though, which could present a small problem with your cluster's uptime...