A variation on this which I suggested once was a license code which would brand the software w/ the name and credit card number used to purchase the software --- inform customers of this up-front and tell them to protect the license code as they would their credit card.
I managed to get it working w/ the embed tag, but couldn't specify the size (I'd really like to be able to do so using a relative em measure). But as the AC noted, there's no font support yet, so the utility is rather limited.
Safari 3 displays a ``test.svg'' file made w/ Adobe Illustrator CS3 and embedded Minion Pro Italic glyphs using Times. It also won't display a.svg in-line as a graphic in a.html file (instead one gets the missing graphic icon) --- I'm using Safari 3.0.3 --- do you have a link to a page which does use a linked.svg graphic in-line w/ text in a.html page?
Opera also failed to display the embedded Minion Pro Italic glyphs (used Times) and didn't show the ``test.svg'' file in-line in the.html file.
To re-state. I've _only_ been able to get.svg files to display in a main-stream browser by directly opening the.svg file --- I've _not_ been able to have a.(x)html file w/ text in it, which also uses a linked.svg as a graphic in with the text.
Safari 3 for example, while it can render the embedded svg code in this page:
I just made a test.svg file using Adobe Illustrator CS3, embedding the Minion Pro italic glyphs which I used for ``This is a test'' (w/ an st ligature) for the last two letters), then tried to make a.html file which would display it in-line.
Adobe DreamWeaver wouldn't let me select or drag-drop the.svg file, so I hand-edited it to reference ``test.svg'' --- the graphic didn't display when I loaded the.html page into FireFox 2.0.0.6
Viewing the file directly resulted in FireFox rendering the text in Courier (no st-ligature), so it doesn't even handle a fairly basic case correctly when just displaying a graphic alone.
Solaris still comes w/ Display PostScript as an option, and it worked quite even more nicely in NeXTstep, and Display Ghostscript was developed for use in GNUstep.
While Quartz (neé Display PDF, though it adds lots of other things) is nice, I still miss the programmability of Display PostScript and its interactive use in programs like Altsys Virtuoso, which would allow one to program fills and strokes for objects in PostScript.
Given that there aren't any.svg files on that page, only links to them, and uses.png previews instead pretty much proves the point of SVG not having made it as a main-stream in situ web graphics format, no?
Is there a browser (other than Amaya) which will render.svg files in-place on a.html page?
Mozai said: >electric-powered devices don't eliminate carbon emissions, it only moves them to the generating plants.
Depends (of course) on how the electricity is generated --- someone really needs to work up a plan where an electric car is matched up w/ a garage covered in solar panels --- buy the car, get the garage (w/ proprietary plug) free. Problem is, the garage would have to be so large to accommodate sufficient solar cells it wouldn't work for typical-size yards.
Is there a comprehensive list of reasonably available electric vehicles?
The Reva ( http://www.revaindia.com/ ) has already been mentioned elsewhere in this thread --- one which I actually considered purchasing is the Twike ( http://www.twike.com/ ) (really more of an enclosed three wheel recumbent bicycle) --- there are some others though. A quick search on Google reveals:
There was an article in the local (Harrisburg, PA) paper recently about a local who'd purchased an all-electric scooter, and another about a (school teacher?) who had refurbished an electric car from the 70s which was street-legal 'causeit was grand-fathered in.
Of all the above, the only one which seems to have full equivalency to a gasoline powered vehicle is the Tesla (which is ~$100,000 if memory serves) --- I thought about getting a Twike, but it's ~$20,000, and would've required me to rent a vehicle for vacations, or to drive our other car (an 8 year old Cavalier w/ ~130,000 miles), so got a Chevy Aveo ($9,999 when I bought it the other year).
TRON is an embedded OS that Japan tried to use as a general-purpose desktop OS as well back in the late '80s, but was stopped from doing so by a Federal Government lawsuit claiming it was anti-competitive:
When I typed out of my typing class in the Air Force back in 1985 they offered the option of taking the test on Dvorak-layout typewriters (in retrospect, I regret not taking note of how they kept track of which machines where which since the keys were blank). ISTR that they offered the option for certain specialties (not mine) of using the Dvorak layout.
Agreed. [insert standard comment about those who don't learn from history]
That's why I've been trying to share w/ my children all the stories I heard from my father about Vietnam and Korea, and from my uncles about World War II and from my great aunt who would relate stories of the Civil War she'd heard from her father (my great-grandfather), and of the Revolutionary War that her father had heard from Gen. Robert E. Lee (great-grandfather was one of his bodyguards) who had heard them from his father who was one of General Washington's cavalry commanders.
However, some 20,000 workers were diverted for months from building the Atlantic sea wall defences to repair the dams, which had far-reaching effects on D-Day.
InDesign's H&J system for example is based on TeX's, Adobe having acquired the HZ system from URW which took TeX's H&J algorithm and extended it to include character expansion/contraction and optical margin adjustments. These improvements have been folded into TeX by way of Han The Thanh's (sorry, his name has Vietnamese accents not easily entered here) pdftex (interesting Adobe funded his studies at Masaryk University). His doctoral thesis is available here:
Recently at work I wrote the back-end of a phone book line ad typesetting system using TeX (a programmer here at work created the web-based front-end).
My previous employer has a nifty system which uses TeX to typeset XML databases, demo of it here:
Using Quark and InDesign is fine, so long as one works within their feature limitations --- anything which steps beyond that involves large amounts of repetitive work and tediousness. Interesting discussion on that on comp.text.tex once:
Remember, Marvel has _three_ separate story lines going these days:
- Mainstream Marvel universe (Earth-616) (the old titles, w/ issue numbers ranging well past the hundreds
- ``Ultimates'' (Earth-1610) which has only just started to reach past 100 w/ Spiderman
- Marvel Adventures (Earth-20051) which is their line of stories suited for younger readers
Captain America is alive and well in the latter two, and as the numbers indicate they've got lots more, which get written about on a semi-regular basis
William (who quit reading comics when _X-Factor_ #1 came out and they declared that Phoenix wasn't really Jean Grey --- it's really bad when a one-off cross-over book (The X-Men Teen Titans one) has a better handle on characterization than the mainstream one.)
They should instead be requiring the use of a graphics tablet or Tablet PC and requiring the user to write a given number sequence --- then they get the additional input of speed, pressure, stroke order / direction which makes things reasonably secure (even a person who can forge another's writing isn't likely to get all of the above as consistent as a person using their normal hand).
Doesn't even require much more from the user in the way of hardware (trades off a scanner for a graphics tablet).
But you are willing to store a delicate HD in an unusable state (you either need an adapter, or a model compatible w/ the sled you pulled it from, or you need to remove the HD from the sled and place it in a removable HD case from which you've removed the HD). I do this, but I use older machines, all from the same manufacturer (Fujitsu) and there's a bit of compatibility between most models (a Point 1600 has the exact same case as a 510 &c.)
Your new HD will almost always have more than enough space to store the entire HD on a disk image and on a Mac, this is trivial to do:
- boot up old machine in Firewire Target Disk Mode
- connect w/ new machine using Firewire cable
- check amount of data on old system using Finder on new system
- make a disk image a bit larger than that
- use a tool like Carbon Copy Cloner ( http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html ) to copy the old HD onto the disk image
Then do a complete backup --- you do back up right?
One problem with that is the density of water varies w/ the temperature (it's this characteristic which makes life on earth possible --- water gets more dense as it approaches the freezing point, then less dense when it freezes), so the definition has to include a temperature &c.
1u3hr said: >I thought we were talking about tools that can produce professional graphics. >Of which there are many, and probably even including the Gimp as so many advocate.
Tools able to produce graphics efficiently enough that one can make money billing for them --- for a quick clean up of an image the healing brush in PhotoShop is hard to beat, though I'd be glad to see other tools develop which can compete w/ it.
AFAIK Corel PhotoPaint, Ulead PhotoImpact and PaintShop Pro don't have PhotoShop's Healing Brush or support for multi-channel images.
CorelDRAW isn't available in an up-to-date version for Mac OS X.
Adobe now owns FreeHand has ceased updating it and is dismantling it for patents and features to use in InDesign and Illustrator (which really hurts --- I really wish that Adobe owning it had been disallowed by the FTC again). I'd really like to see an alternative develop and the best alternative I can see is Cenon, http://www.cenon.info/ --- see my post http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.gnustep.discuss /msg/5593b1cb0ef1feef
While I agree with the motives behind your post, the cold, hard reality is that Adobe is moving into having a monopoly on graphic design applications / tools and technologies (and more important, patents, including UI patents).
It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't doing such a poor job of providing efficient user interfaces and features:
- the layer palette in InDesign and Illustrator takes quite a bit more clicking / dragging as is really necessary
- InDesign is sorely lacking in long document features --- still no support for switching number of columns in a text frame, index formatting is severely limited &c.
- PhotoShop still has weird UI / implementation issues --- choose multi-channel mode and type layers are no longer an option
and their up-dating of the Macromedia apps which they are keeping has been limited, most notably, no OpenType or Unicode support.
Fortunately there are interesting tools like XeTeX, http://scripts.sil.org/xetex which allow me to avoid using InDesign and Quark save for when absolutely necessary at work.
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A variation on this which I suggested once was a license code which would brand the software w/ the name and credit card number used to purchase the software --- inform customers of this up-front and tell them to protect the license code as they would their credit card.
William
Excellent point.
I feel kind of silly though --- one of the links in the OP query was to the TinyApps site.
I did think of one other small I use (for Windows) which isn't there but I find quite useful, Dirk Struve's WinTeXshell:
http://www.projectory.de/texshell/
William
http://www.tinyapps.org/
If you're running Windows, I also like Sumatra PDF
http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/sumatrapdf/
(not sure if that's listed at the former or no, which is why I specifically mention it --- the balance of my preferred small programs are)
William
A big part of this is the excellent TeX environment which has been put together by volunteers working w/ and creating opensource software:
e /texshop.html
- TeXshop by Richard Koch (an Apple Design Award winner in 2002) --- http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/math_scienc
- Gerben Wierda's i-Installer.app and TeX installation --- http://www.rna.nl/tex.html
and lots of others, all of which has made its way into MacTeX:
http://www.tug.org/mactex/
I wish someone would make a Cocoa version of LyX though.
William
Try LyX:
http://www.lyx.org/
William
Drat, and my mod points expired. ::applause::
(if you hadn't said it, I would've)
William
OIC.
Thanks!
I managed to get it working w/ the embed tag, but couldn't specify the size (I'd really like to be able to do so using a relative em measure). But as the AC noted, there's no font support yet, so the utility is rather limited.
William
Safari 3 displays a ``test.svg'' file made w/ Adobe Illustrator CS3 and embedded Minion Pro Italic glyphs using Times. It also won't display a .svg in-line as a graphic in a .html file (instead one gets the missing graphic icon) --- I'm using Safari 3.0.3 --- do you have a link to a page which does use a linked .svg graphic in-line w/ text in a .html page?
.html file.
.svg files to display in a main-stream browser by directly opening the .svg file --- I've _not_ been able to have a .(x)html file w/ text in it, which also uses a linked .svg as a graphic in with the text.
x html
.svg graphic when viewed w/ Safari 3.0.3
Opera also failed to display the embedded Minion Pro Italic glyphs (used Times) and didn't show the ``test.svg'' file in-line in the
To re-state. I've _only_ been able to get
Safari 3 for example, while it can render the embedded svg code in this page:
http://jwatt.org/svg/demos/xhtml-with-inline-svg.
displays a missing plug-in icon for the linked
William
Please point me to a page which does this.
.html file which would display it in-line.
.svg file, so I hand-edited it to reference ``test.svg'' --- the graphic didn't display when I loaded the .html page into FireFox 2.0.0.6
I just made a test.svg file using Adobe Illustrator CS3, embedding the Minion Pro italic glyphs which I used for ``This is a test'' (w/ an st ligature) for the last two letters), then tried to make a
Adobe DreamWeaver wouldn't let me select or drag-drop the
Viewing the file directly resulted in FireFox rendering the text in Courier (no st-ligature), so it doesn't even handle a fairly basic case correctly when just displaying a graphic alone.
William
It does.
Solaris still comes w/ Display PostScript as an option, and it worked quite even more nicely in NeXTstep, and Display Ghostscript was developed for use in GNUstep.
While Quartz (neé Display PDF, though it adds lots of other things) is nice, I still miss the programmability of Display PostScript and its interactive use in programs like Altsys Virtuoso, which would allow one to program fills and strokes for objects in PostScript.
William
Given that there aren't any .svg files on that page, only links to them, and uses .png previews instead pretty much proves the point of SVG not having made it as a main-stream in situ web graphics format, no?
.svg files in-place on a .html page?
Is there a browser (other than Amaya) which will render
William
Mozai said:
>electric-powered devices don't eliminate carbon emissions, it only moves them to the generating plants.
Depends (of course) on how the electricity is generated --- someone really needs to work up a plan where an electric car is matched up w/ a garage covered in solar panels --- buy the car, get the garage (w/ proprietary plug) free. Problem is, the garage would have to be so large to accommodate sufficient solar cells it wouldn't work for typical-size yards.
William
Is there a comprehensive list of reasonably available electric vehicles?
The Reva ( http://www.revaindia.com/ ) has already been mentioned elsewhere in this thread --- one which I actually considered purchasing is the Twike ( http://www.twike.com/ ) (really more of an enclosed three wheel recumbent bicycle) --- there are some others though. A quick search on Google reveals:
- http://www.zapworld.com/
- http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php
- http://www.gemcar.com/
- http://www.zenncars.com/
There was an article in the local (Harrisburg, PA) paper recently about a local who'd purchased an all-electric scooter, and another about a (school teacher?) who had refurbished an electric car from the 70s which was street-legal 'causeit was grand-fathered in.
Of all the above, the only one which seems to have full equivalency to a gasoline powered vehicle is the Tesla (which is ~$100,000 if memory serves) --- I thought about getting a Twike, but it's ~$20,000, and would've required me to rent a vehicle for vacations, or to drive our other car (an 8 year old Cavalier w/ ~130,000 miles), so got a Chevy Aveo ($9,999 when I bought it the other year).
William
TRON is an embedded OS that Japan tried to use as a general-purpose desktop OS as well back in the late '80s, but was stopped from doing so by a Federal Government lawsuit claiming it was anti-competitive:
http://www.tron.org/index-e.html
Or is this an extension to TRON? (The article is really slim), though it seems to be about OSEK:
http://www.osek-vdx.org/
William
Not every typing class / test.
When I typed out of my typing class in the Air Force back in 1985 they offered the option of taking the test on Dvorak-layout typewriters (in retrospect, I regret not taking note of how they kept track of which machines where which since the keys were blank). ISTR that they offered the option for certain specialties (not mine) of using the Dvorak layout.
William
Agreed. [insert standard comment about those who don't learn from history]
That's why I've been trying to share w/ my children all the stories I heard from my father about Vietnam and Korea, and from my uncles about World War II and from my great aunt who would relate stories of the Civil War she'd heard from her father (my great-grandfather), and of the Revolutionary War that her father had heard from Gen. Robert E. Lee (great-grandfather was one of his bodyguards) who had heard them from his father who was one of General Washington's cavalry commanders.
William
However, some 20,000 workers were diverted for months from building the Atlantic sea wall defences to repair the dams, which had far-reaching effects on D-Day.
William
But it's there.
h tml
n tosh&story=Origins_of_Spline-Based_and_Anti-Aliase d_Fonts.txt&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date
n tosh&story=Close_Encounters_of_the_Steve_Kind.txt& sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date
InDesign's H&J system for example is based on TeX's, Adobe having acquired the HZ system from URW which took TeX's H&J algorithm and extended it to include character expansion/contraction and optical margin adjustments. These improvements have been folded into TeX by way of Han The Thanh's (sorry, his name has Vietnamese accents not easily entered here) pdftex (interesting Adobe funded his studies at Masaryk University). His doctoral thesis is available here:
http://www.tug.org/TUGboat/Contents/contents21-4.
As regards fonts themselves, while William Donelson's work wasn't TeX, it was quite ground-breaking and influential:
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Maci
And of course, there's the classic meeting of Steve Jobs and Knuth:
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Maci
William
Recently at work I wrote the back-end of a phone book line ad typesetting system using TeX (a programmer here at work created the web-based front-end).
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My previous employer has a nifty system which uses TeX to typeset XML databases, demo of it here:
http://cuspub.atlis.com/
And there are a lot of non-academic examples in ``The TeX Showcase'':
http://www.tug.org/texshowcase/
Using Quark and InDesign is fine, so long as one works within their feature limitations --- anything which steps beyond that involves large amounts of repetitive work and tediousness. Interesting discussion on that on comp.text.tex once:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/msg/
William
Remember, Marvel has _three_ separate story lines going these days:
- Mainstream Marvel universe (Earth-616) (the old titles, w/ issue numbers ranging well past the hundreds
- ``Ultimates'' (Earth-1610) which has only just started to reach past 100 w/ Spiderman
- Marvel Adventures (Earth-20051) which is their line of stories suited for younger readers
Captain America is alive and well in the latter two, and as the numbers indicate they've got lots more, which get written about on a semi-regular basis
William
(who quit reading comics when _X-Factor_ #1 came out and they declared that Phoenix wasn't really Jean Grey --- it's really bad when a one-off cross-over book (The X-Men Teen Titans one) has a better handle on characterization than the mainstream one.)
They should instead be requiring the use of a graphics tablet or Tablet PC and requiring the user to write a given number sequence --- then they get the additional input of speed, pressure, stroke order / direction which makes things reasonably secure (even a person who can forge another's writing isn't likely to get all of the above as consistent as a person using their normal hand).
Doesn't even require much more from the user in the way of hardware (trades off a scanner for a graphics tablet).
William
But you are willing to store a delicate HD in an unusable state (you either need an adapter, or a model compatible w/ the sled you pulled it from, or you need to remove the HD from the sled and place it in a removable HD case from which you've removed the HD). I do this, but I use older machines, all from the same manufacturer (Fujitsu) and there's a bit of compatibility between most models (a Point 1600 has the exact same case as a 510 &c.)
Your new HD will almost always have more than enough space to store the entire HD on a disk image and on a Mac, this is trivial to do:
- boot up old machine in Firewire Target Disk Mode
- connect w/ new machine using Firewire cable
- check amount of data on old system using Finder on new system
- make a disk image a bit larger than that
- use a tool like Carbon Copy Cloner ( http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html ) to copy the old HD onto the disk image
Then do a complete backup --- you do back up right?
William
One problem with that is the density of water varies w/ the temperature (it's this characteristic which makes life on earth possible --- water gets more dense as it approaches the freezing point, then less dense when it freezes), so the definition has to include a temperature &c.
William
1u3hr said:
>I thought we were talking about tools that can produce professional graphics.
>Of which there are many, and probably even including the Gimp as so many advocate.
Tools able to produce graphics efficiently enough that one can make money billing for them --- for a quick clean up of an image the healing brush in PhotoShop is hard to beat, though I'd be glad to see other tools develop which can compete w/ it.
William
AFAIK Corel PhotoPaint, Ulead PhotoImpact and PaintShop Pro don't have PhotoShop's Healing Brush or support for multi-channel images.
s /msg/5593b1cb0ef1feef
CorelDRAW isn't available in an up-to-date version for Mac OS X.
Adobe now owns FreeHand has ceased updating it and is dismantling it for patents and features to use in InDesign and Illustrator (which really hurts --- I really wish that Adobe owning it had been disallowed by the FTC again). I'd really like to see an alternative develop and the best alternative I can see is Cenon, http://www.cenon.info/ --- see my post http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.gnustep.discus
While I agree with the motives behind your post, the cold, hard reality is that Adobe is moving into having a monopoly on graphic design applications / tools and technologies (and more important, patents, including UI patents).
It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't doing such a poor job of providing efficient user interfaces and features:
- the layer palette in InDesign and Illustrator takes quite a bit more clicking / dragging as is really necessary
- InDesign is sorely lacking in long document features --- still no support for switching number of columns in a text frame, index formatting is severely limited &c.
- PhotoShop still has weird UI / implementation issues --- choose multi-channel mode and type layers are no longer an option
and their up-dating of the Macromedia apps which they are keeping has been limited, most notably, no OpenType or Unicode support.
Fortunately there are interesting tools like XeTeX, http://scripts.sil.org/xetex which allow me to avoid using InDesign and Quark save for when absolutely necessary at work.
William