That is a search quality area I want to be in charge of.
Job description: You will be insuring that the links that result when searching for pornography and related keywords on google and google images is porn of the highest quality and not just banner ad sites used to dupe our customers out of their adsense money...
Hell yes, now that is a JOB... and lock me in a little closet (dont want to offend anyone). alone. for hours. with lotion. yah. giggity giggity.
Clinton's lie about "not having sexual relations with that girl" Cost...
o 1 x DRYCLEANING BLUE DRESS
o Many millions of dollars in tax payer money
o Government grinding to a halt during impeachment proceedings
o Rest of the world laughing at us
Bush's lie about "saddam having weapons of mass destruction" Cost...
o ~3000 American Soldiers Dead
o ~2 Trillion dollars
o Government grinding to a halt throwing mud at each other
o Rest of world wishing we would mind our own business and hating us
You know... there are differences, yah... both are liars and in all honesty, just listing these two lies is absolutely unfair to both of them... they both lied a lot more than that. Both sides are full of extremist nutjobs in all honesty, but to compare the lies and say "a liar is a liar" is not quite fair in this case. Both were wrong, yes... both shouldn't have lied, yes... the lies cost the american tax payer, yes... however... that's about where the similarities end. Like I've been saying on digg to a lot of the KO/Rush/O'Reily/Cout/Fox/Rest of Media stories... Both sides are a bunch of extremists who want to sling mud and the american people are acting no better than if we were sitting in the audience of the jerry springer show watching midgets who sleep with the mother of another midgets girlfriends best friends former roommate.
Nutter butter politicians, media, and extremists enough for everyone this "holiday" season, right?
A) The sensor is patentable B) The automatic door opener should be patentable
A change of location for the sensor shouldn't be patentable, a change of materials composing the door alone shouldn't be patentable, a change in size shouldn't be patentable, a change... you get the point.
If you innovate I see no problem with rewarding it. However, most of the patents now are held A) To prevent someone else from getting a patent for the same thing and suing your ass off, or B) By patent holding companies who just go around and sue everyones ass off.
Another good example is:
Sending a message (E-Mail) over a network... should have been patentable AROUND the time it was created. Sending E-Mail over a wireless-network... that uses the same damn protocol as the network above... should never be patentable. Sending E-Mail over a wired-network... that uses the same damn protocol as the network above... should never be patentable.
However... one of those patents was granted (Sending email over a wireless network.) Stupid... one of the other major problems with the patent process is the appeals... just keep appealing and eventually it'll be granted when a clue less examiner or one who doesn't know of prior work or doesn't care finally gets it.
It's a screwed up system.
Patents should last for significantly less time too... the current duration is nuts its stifles innovation.
They're also missing the fact that a lot of clueless parents are going to be buying these for their kids for xmas and then are going to be returning them AFTER xmas for an iPod.
The artists get so little compared to the studios and such... shrug, I really don't care. Janitors make music too.
The artists didn't sign contracts with RIAA largely, the label they signed with did.
The older I get, the less I care about the company... why? The company doesn't care about anything but making the insanely wealthy at the top even more so, they'll fuck you first opportunity. This isn't the early 1900s where the job you went to you had your whole life... this is the new world, where you are disposable and someone working in bumfucked arugathora can do your job for $0.22/hr.
I'm sorry, in some cases you ARE right... but in many, especially recent cases... you're dead wrong.
Someone tries to patent sending email over a wireless connection... that would have been innovative BEFORE we had wireless routers with tcp/ip.
A fair number of companies do innovate, however there are plenty of companies who do nothing but file bullshit patents for common sense things and just keep appealing until they get a clueless examiner who grants it... all so they can litigate 10 years down the road to make some money.
I suggest you actually take the TIME to read what I wrote and then get back with me if you have something intelligent to say... otherwise I suggest you take some classes on basic English comprehension.
Actually take the TIME to read what I wrote and then get back with me if you have something intelligent to say, if you can't figure out the part I'm referring to, I suggest you take some classes on basic English comprehension.
"I don't get it, you complain that vendors aren't fast enough but then you say that only once in five years have you needed a patch quicker than the vendor can provide it?"
I went on to explain that point. Since we changed to open source (about 5 years ago) there has been one time the vendor (various linux providers/database providers) didn't already have a patch out by the time we found the issue or didn't respond faster than we could.
"It's a clear recognition that what matters most to the people making the decisions is stability, not features."
Funny, availability is our primary concern, that's one of the reasons why we use Linux instead of Windows.
"So how does this stack up with OSS? Let's see - FF leaks memory for many, many months and the community keeps getting told it's not a problem. I've stopped using FF for the most part because I don't want to have to restart my browser on a regular basis. I lose too much work that way."
My firefox2 has been running for ~5 days now... firing firefox up on my other computer says there is a difference of ~7m from startup to ~5 days of memory use between them and it's presently ~12m under it's peak use. If that isn't the most pressing issue with firefox I don't know what is, good god make all of the devs drop what they're doing and jump on those massive memory leaks right the hell away, the world is ending, the sky is falling... and let me tell you, you lose so much in firefox after closing it since it can remember state... *rolls eyes*. Good thing most sites work well with having them open all day, you know cookies typically last forever... they don't expire... oh wait. Never mind. Gotta re-login anyways at many sites about once a day.
Never mind that two different versions of windows have had memory leaks at the login screen that would make the server run so slow after sitting at the login screen for a week that you had to hard boot it. That is a serious memory leak... of course it "only" took microsoft a month or two to fix that. You're comparing two different kinds of problems, one is SERIOUS (FATAL, KILLS THE SYSTEM) compared to one that "inconveniences" *you* and that i've never even noticed. What are you running on a pentium 1 with 32mb of ram, if you are the memory leak you're probably experiencing is the windows 95 operating system, you generally needed to reboot it once a day to maintain any semblance of performance.
Listener who buys (Customer) > Listener who doesn't/can't buy (Advertisement) > Non-Listener
You don't lose a sale if the person wouldn't have ever purchased it in the first place. Well, except according to the RIAA. The ridiculous price point is the reason 90% of piracy exists in the first place. iTunes has done a tremendous amount to help with piracy. When most software becomes significantly cheaper or usage based it'll do a lot to reduce warez also.
I have a friend with 5 kids, he pirates *everything*. Music, Games, Software, etc. His free-money after food, bills, medication, clothes, etc... is about ~$30-50/month. That money is used to purchase upgrades for his computer (even then it's 2-3 years out of date), keep a working cd player in the house, make sure his car can get him to work, and to get things for the kids. Do you *really* think the music/software/game industries are losing a penny by him pirating the stuff? He couldn't afford to pay for it if he wanted to... but I've bought 5-6 games I would have never purchased because he was playing them, I've purchased a few dozen songs he recommended because our tastes are similar, and I've purchased kids movies after my kids came home from his place saying they loved xxx movie or purchased movies based on his recommendation.
It's terrible how much money they're losing from him, those poor poor poor companies.
I buy what I like in itunes so I don't get the filler crap and burn to cd and rip off it.
BUT I'm no audiophile, most of my collection is at 128-256 somewhere (mostly 192) and I'm happy with it. That isn't an acceptable solution to those who are great connoisseurs of music and demand the highest quality though.
I used to occasionally pirate songs (prior to itunes) and would toss the actual artists a few dollars in snail mail directly, the responses I got from a lot of the small bands was simply amazing. T-Shirts, signed *real* photographs, cd's (lol), etc... and when I say a few dollars, I don't mean 20$ I mean 5$ or 10$. I got some interesting letters from bands too saying this is more money for a cd of theirs or a song or whatever than they would have seen selling over 100 through normal channels and that they greatly appreciated it. Shrug.
The RIAA really helps screw the artists, as do the labels, and sure, some pirates are screwing the artists too. Most however are young kids who can't afford to buy the music in the first place... so they're not screwing the artist they're making them more popular.
Listener who bought CD > Listener who wouldn't/couldn't buy CD > Someone who doesn't listen
You are absolutely right, and god knows I've abused that right. I mean, I called Microsoft and explained to them the bug their "Microsoft Windows 2000 Server" product had and asked that they fix it because whenever a certain transaction happened on the "Microsoft SQL Server" it caused the entire system to hang until it was rebooted. It only took them THREE MONTHS to put a patch out for it. I decided I was going to switch to another vendor because of how slow they went... but there really wasn't one except for Linux and MacOS. The latter's hardware vs performance at the time was obscenely expensive and our software was easier to port to a new OS on x86 than to change to powerpc.
Yes, I definitely agree, it sure is nice to not be able to fix a problem yourself when the vendor goes so damn slowly that we'd have been out of business before they fixed the problem... why there are so many selections of better vendors in commercial software that... oh wait there's not. Never mind my sarcasm.
There are occasionally major bugs in open source software too. Generally, if we notify the developer (Redhat->SUSE->Gentoo->Debian & PostgreSQL->MySQL was our progression of developer groups) and they don't fix it fairly rapidly, one of our programmers goes in and patches it himself and we knock a patch to the developer who is responsible for the application/operating system in question... longest turnaround on a single bug so far? 11 hours. How often we've had to knock a patch out ourselves? 1 time... in 5 years. Most of the time by the time we discover a problem exists there is a newer version of the software out already fixing the problem (we run a few versions behind the most recent version usually.)
I wish most commercial companies supported us as well as the developers of most open source projects.
I also did some sleep deprivation self-studies when i was in high school (over the summer mostly)... my longest stint with no chemical assistance was a bit over 9 days (221 hours.)
Things I've noticed several times I've went sleep deprived Day 1) Hard to stay up at "Bedtime".
o Normal functioning
o Memory, Speech, and Physical abilities normal Day 2) Easy to stay up
o Normal functioning
o Memory, Speech, and physical abilities mostly-normal
o Trouble concentrating on complex mental things, like programming a simple 3d game Day 3) Easy to stay up
o Normal functioning
o Memory, Speech, anad physical abilities mostly-normal
o Trouble concentrating on complex mental things, like programming a simple 3d game
o Minor issues with memory and extremely complex speech (like most complex poetry or tongue twisters) Day 4) Tired, can't get comfortable or will fall asleep
o Impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and physical abilities considerably lessened
o Can't concentrate longer than a few minutes
o Complex speech is impossible you sound like you had a stroke
o Physically exhausted and "sore"
o Minor visual only halucinations Day 5) Tired, can't get comfortable or will fall asleep
o Impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and physical abilities considerably lessened
o Can't concentrate longer than a few minutes
o Complex speech is impossible you sound like you had a stroke
o Physically exhausted and "sore"
o Hallucinations getting severe with all senses hard to tell from reality
o Diminished appetite Day 6) Exhausted, effort required to stay awake
o extremely impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and Physical abilities are crap
o can't concentrate for over a minute
o speech is going in the crapper
o body is sore like you've worked out for hours
o Hallucinations are so severe you can't tell them from reality at all
o time lag when in conversations
o everything takes on a surreal cast, nothing seems like its normal
o Pissy and angry, snapping at people
o Diminished appetite Day 7) Exhausted, effort required to stay awake
o extremely impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and Physical abilities are crap
o can't concentrate for more than a few seconds
o speech is horrible, monotone, and increasingly rare, very start and stop
o no energy hard to move
o Hallucinations are so severe you can't tell them from reality at all
o time lag when in conversations
o everything takes on a surreal cast, nothing seems like its normal
o Lethargic and slow to respond
o No appetite Day 8) Exhausted, effort required to stay awake
o extremely impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and Physical abilities are crap
o can't concentrate for more than a few seconds
o speech is horrible, monotone, and increasingly rare, very start and stop
o no energy hard to move
o Hallucinations are so severe you can't tell them from reality at all
o time lag when in conversations
o everything takes on a surreal cast, nothing seems like its normal
o Lethargic and slow to respond
o No appetit
Good point, and lets be honest... 24h/day 7/days a week awake for 50 years... vs 16h/day 7/days a week for 100 years... I know which I'd pick just based on how I feel at 30 and the changes from when I was a teenager. Kinda makes retirement moot though.
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Dude, they're boys! It's okay! :P lolz, not the best wording on my part heh.
... did anyone bother looking at the revision history for the wikipedia entry? did the slashdot editors before they posted this drivel?
Yah something about Sonic going Super Saiyan is just WRONG.
ps3 is cool and all.
Just so. damn. expensive.
These things are SUPPOSED To cost less than computers... yesh.
That is a search quality area I want to be in charge of.
Job description: You will be insuring that the links that result when searching for pornography and related keywords on google and google images is porn of the highest quality and not just banner ad sites used to dupe our customers out of their adsense money...
Hell yes, now that is a JOB... and lock me in a little closet (dont want to offend anyone). alone. for hours. with lotion. yah. giggity giggity.
Lets talk about lies.
Clinton's lie about "not having sexual relations with that girl" Cost...
o 1 x DRYCLEANING BLUE DRESS
o Many millions of dollars in tax payer money
o Government grinding to a halt during impeachment proceedings
o Rest of the world laughing at us
Bush's lie about "saddam having weapons of mass destruction" Cost...
o ~3000 American Soldiers Dead
o ~2 Trillion dollars
o Government grinding to a halt throwing mud at each other
o Rest of world wishing we would mind our own business and hating us
You know... there are differences, yah... both are liars and in all honesty, just listing these two lies is absolutely unfair to both of them... they both lied a lot more than that. Both sides are full of extremist nutjobs in all honesty, but to compare the lies and say "a liar is a liar" is not quite fair in this case. Both were wrong, yes... both shouldn't have lied, yes... the lies cost the american tax payer, yes... however... that's about where the similarities end. Like I've been saying on digg to a lot of the KO/Rush/O'Reily/Cout/Fox/Rest of Media stories... Both sides are a bunch of extremists who want to sling mud and the american people are acting no better than if we were sitting in the audience of the jerry springer show watching midgets who sleep with the mother of another midgets girlfriends best friends former roommate.
Nutter butter politicians, media, and extremists enough for everyone this "holiday" season, right?
I'm all for:
A) The sensor is patentable
B) The automatic door opener should be patentable
A change of location for the sensor shouldn't be patentable, a change of materials composing the door alone shouldn't be patentable, a change in size shouldn't be patentable, a change... you get the point.
If you innovate I see no problem with rewarding it. However, most of the patents now are held A) To prevent someone else from getting a patent for the same thing and suing your ass off, or B) By patent holding companies who just go around and sue everyones ass off.
Another good example is:
Sending a message (E-Mail) over a network... should have been patentable AROUND the time it was created.
Sending E-Mail over a wireless-network... that uses the same damn protocol as the network above... should never be patentable.
Sending E-Mail over a wired-network... that uses the same damn protocol as the network above... should never be patentable.
However... one of those patents was granted (Sending email over a wireless network.) Stupid... one of the other major problems with the patent process is the appeals... just keep appealing and eventually it'll be granted when a clue less examiner or one who doesn't know of prior work or doesn't care finally gets it.
It's a screwed up system.
Patents should last for significantly less time too... the current duration is nuts its stifles innovation.
They're also missing the fact that a lot of clueless parents are going to be buying these for their kids for xmas and then are going to be returning them AFTER xmas for an iPod.
The artists get so little compared to the studios and such... shrug, I really don't care. Janitors make music too.
The artists didn't sign contracts with RIAA largely, the label they signed with did.
The older I get, the less I care about the company... why? The company doesn't care about anything but making the insanely wealthy at the top even more so, they'll fuck you first opportunity. This isn't the early 1900s where the job you went to you had your whole life... this is the new world, where you are disposable and someone working in bumfucked arugathora can do your job for $0.22/hr.
Wake up, smell the brimstone.
Devout religion strikes again.
I think the william gibson belt knife/sword is a more realistic proposition first.
Without a stasis field it doesn't fly though... about as probable as a lightsaber.
I prefer the crocodile dundee version... "That's not a knife... THIS is a knife..."
I'm sorry, in some cases you ARE right... but in many, especially recent cases... you're dead wrong.
Someone tries to patent sending email over a wireless connection... that would have been innovative BEFORE we had wireless routers with tcp/ip.
A fair number of companies do innovate, however there are plenty of companies who do nothing but file bullshit patents for common sense things and just keep appealing until they get a clueless examiner who grants it... all so they can litigate 10 years down the road to make some money.
I suggest you actually take the TIME to read what I wrote and then get back with me if you have something intelligent to say... otherwise I suggest you take some classes on basic English comprehension.
Actually take the TIME to read what I wrote and then get back with me if you have something intelligent to say, if you can't figure out the part I'm referring to, I suggest you take some classes on basic English comprehension.
"I don't get it, you complain that vendors aren't fast enough but then you say that only once in five years have you needed a patch quicker than the vendor can provide it?"
I went on to explain that point. Since we changed to open source (about 5 years ago) there has been one time the vendor (various linux providers/database providers) didn't already have a patch out by the time we found the issue or didn't respond faster than we could.
"It's a clear recognition that what matters most to the people making the decisions is stability, not features."
Funny, availability is our primary concern, that's one of the reasons why we use Linux instead of Windows.
"So how does this stack up with OSS? Let's see - FF leaks memory for many, many months and the community keeps getting told it's not a problem. I've stopped using FF for the most part because I don't want to have to restart my browser on a regular basis. I lose too much work that way."
My firefox2 has been running for ~5 days now... firing firefox up on my other computer says there is a difference of ~7m from startup to ~5 days of memory use between them and it's presently ~12m under it's peak use. If that isn't the most pressing issue with firefox I don't know what is, good god make all of the devs drop what they're doing and jump on those massive memory leaks right the hell away, the world is ending, the sky is falling... and let me tell you, you lose so much in firefox after closing it since it can remember state... *rolls eyes*. Good thing most sites work well with having them open all day, you know cookies typically last forever... they don't expire... oh wait. Never mind. Gotta re-login anyways at many sites about once a day.
Never mind that two different versions of windows have had memory leaks at the login screen that would make the server run so slow after sitting at the login screen for a week that you had to hard boot it. That is a serious memory leak... of course it "only" took microsoft a month or two to fix that. You're comparing two different kinds of problems, one is SERIOUS (FATAL, KILLS THE SYSTEM) compared to one that "inconveniences" *you* and that i've never even noticed. What are you running on a pentium 1 with 32mb of ram, if you are the memory leak you're probably experiencing is the windows 95 operating system, you generally needed to reboot it once a day to maintain any semblance of performance.
Like I said...
Listener who buys (Customer) > Listener who doesn't/can't buy (Advertisement) > Non-Listener
You don't lose a sale if the person wouldn't have ever purchased it in the first place. Well, except according to the RIAA. The ridiculous price point is the reason 90% of piracy exists in the first place. iTunes has done a tremendous amount to help with piracy. When most software becomes significantly cheaper or usage based it'll do a lot to reduce warez also.
I have a friend with 5 kids, he pirates *everything*. Music, Games, Software, etc. His free-money after food, bills, medication, clothes, etc... is about ~$30-50/month. That money is used to purchase upgrades for his computer (even then it's 2-3 years out of date), keep a working cd player in the house, make sure his car can get him to work, and to get things for the kids. Do you *really* think the music/software/game industries are losing a penny by him pirating the stuff? He couldn't afford to pay for it if he wanted to... but I've bought 5-6 games I would have never purchased because he was playing them, I've purchased a few dozen songs he recommended because our tastes are similar, and I've purchased kids movies after my kids came home from his place saying they loved xxx movie or purchased movies based on his recommendation.
It's terrible how much money they're losing from him, those poor poor poor companies.
Popularity means more people hear your music and the more who hear your music the more chance one of them will be willing to purchase it.
I buy what I like in itunes so I don't get the filler crap and burn to cd and rip off it.
BUT I'm no audiophile, most of my collection is at 128-256 somewhere (mostly 192) and I'm happy with it. That isn't an acceptable solution to those who are great connoisseurs of music and demand the highest quality though.
I used to occasionally pirate songs (prior to itunes) and would toss the actual artists a few dollars in snail mail directly, the responses I got from a lot of the small bands was simply amazing. T-Shirts, signed *real* photographs, cd's (lol), etc... and when I say a few dollars, I don't mean 20$ I mean 5$ or 10$. I got some interesting letters from bands too saying this is more money for a cd of theirs or a song or whatever than they would have seen selling over 100 through normal channels and that they greatly appreciated it. Shrug.
The RIAA really helps screw the artists, as do the labels, and sure, some pirates are screwing the artists too. Most however are young kids who can't afford to buy the music in the first place... so they're not screwing the artist they're making them more popular.
Listener who bought CD > Listener who wouldn't/couldn't buy CD > Someone who doesn't listen
You are absolutely right, and god knows I've abused that right. I mean, I called Microsoft and explained to them the bug their "Microsoft Windows 2000 Server" product had and asked that they fix it because whenever a certain transaction happened on the "Microsoft SQL Server" it caused the entire system to hang until it was rebooted. It only took them THREE MONTHS to put a patch out for it. I decided I was going to switch to another vendor because of how slow they went... but there really wasn't one except for Linux and MacOS. The latter's hardware vs performance at the time was obscenely expensive and our software was easier to port to a new OS on x86 than to change to powerpc.
... oh wait there's not. Never mind my sarcasm.
Yes, I definitely agree, it sure is nice to not be able to fix a problem yourself when the vendor goes so damn slowly that we'd have been out of business before they fixed the problem... why there are so many selections of better vendors in commercial software that
There are occasionally major bugs in open source software too. Generally, if we notify the developer (Redhat->SUSE->Gentoo->Debian & PostgreSQL->MySQL was our progression of developer groups) and they don't fix it fairly rapidly, one of our programmers goes in and patches it himself and we knock a patch to the developer who is responsible for the application/operating system in question... longest turnaround on a single bug so far? 11 hours. How often we've had to knock a patch out ourselves? 1 time... in 5 years. Most of the time by the time we discover a problem exists there is a newer version of the software out already fixing the problem (we run a few versions behind the most recent version usually.)
I wish most commercial companies supported us as well as the developers of most open source projects.
That was pretty much my thought, "this is just a super-peltier". If its true then they've basically discovered a way to make a better peltier imo.
I also did some sleep deprivation self-studies when i was in high school (over the summer mostly)... my longest stint with no chemical assistance was a bit over 9 days (221 hours.)
Things I've noticed several times I've went sleep deprived
Day 1) Hard to stay up at "Bedtime".
o Normal functioning
o Memory, Speech, and Physical abilities normal
Day 2) Easy to stay up
o Normal functioning
o Memory, Speech, and physical abilities mostly-normal
o Trouble concentrating on complex mental things, like programming a simple 3d game
Day 3) Easy to stay up
o Normal functioning
o Memory, Speech, anad physical abilities mostly-normal
o Trouble concentrating on complex mental things, like programming a simple 3d game
o Minor issues with memory and extremely complex speech (like most complex poetry or tongue twisters)
Day 4) Tired, can't get comfortable or will fall asleep
o Impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and physical abilities considerably lessened
o Can't concentrate longer than a few minutes
o Complex speech is impossible you sound like you had a stroke
o Physically exhausted and "sore"
o Minor visual only halucinations
Day 5) Tired, can't get comfortable or will fall asleep
o Impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and physical abilities considerably lessened
o Can't concentrate longer than a few minutes
o Complex speech is impossible you sound like you had a stroke
o Physically exhausted and "sore"
o Hallucinations getting severe with all senses hard to tell from reality
o Diminished appetite
Day 6) Exhausted, effort required to stay awake
o extremely impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and Physical abilities are crap
o can't concentrate for over a minute
o speech is going in the crapper
o body is sore like you've worked out for hours
o Hallucinations are so severe you can't tell them from reality at all
o time lag when in conversations
o everything takes on a surreal cast, nothing seems like its normal
o Pissy and angry, snapping at people
o Diminished appetite
Day 7) Exhausted, effort required to stay awake
o extremely impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and Physical abilities are crap
o can't concentrate for more than a few seconds
o speech is horrible, monotone, and increasingly rare, very start and stop
o no energy hard to move
o Hallucinations are so severe you can't tell them from reality at all
o time lag when in conversations
o everything takes on a surreal cast, nothing seems like its normal
o Lethargic and slow to respond
o No appetite
Day 8) Exhausted, effort required to stay awake
o extremely impaired functioning
o Memory, Speech, and Physical abilities are crap
o can't concentrate for more than a few seconds
o speech is horrible, monotone, and increasingly rare, very start and stop
o no energy hard to move
o Hallucinations are so severe you can't tell them from reality at all
o time lag when in conversations
o everything takes on a surreal cast, nothing seems like its normal
o Lethargic and slow to respond
o No appetit
Good point, and lets be honest... 24h/day 7/days a week awake for 50 years... vs 16h/day 7/days a week for 100 years... I know which I'd pick just based on how I feel at 30 and the changes from when I was a teenager. Kinda makes retirement moot though.