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Top Gadget of 2006 — The HurriQuake Nail

eldavojohn writes "Popular Science is naming its Best of What's New of 2006 and the one at the top doesn't have much to do with circuitry or computers. Instead, it's a nail. Not your average nail though, the HurriQuake nail [flash] spent six years in development." From the article: "As the Bostitch team tweaked the head-to-shank ratio, Sutt and metallurgist Tom Stall worked on optimizing high-carbon alloys, trying to find the highest-strength trade-off between stiffness and pliability — the key to preventing snapped nails. 'Meanwhile,' Sutt says, 'we were focusing on how to keep the nail from pulling out.' The team machined a series of barbed rings that extend up the nail's shaft from its point, experimenting with the size and placement of the barbs. 'You want the rings to have maximum holding power,' he says, 'but if they go up too high, it creates a more brittle shank that shears more easily.'"

279 comments

  1. Neat by merc · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't wait to use this in Quake.

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    1. Re:Neat by rvw · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't wait to use this in Duke Nuke Hurry Hurry!

    2. Re:Neat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like you didn't watch the whole video. I hope the way to use it, does not involve in any way that "dance".

    3. Re:Neat by illuminatedwax · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, this is a really good excuse to delay shipment! "We just wanted to have the best nailgun possible for gamers to play with!"

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    4. Re:Neat by revolu7ion · · Score: 1

      I thought it was a new version of the super-nailgun

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  2. Huh ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought you shouldn't screw with Mother Nature

    1. Re:Huh ? by BSAtHome · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, they just forgot to put a microchip in the nail. Maybe a RFID tag for finding them after the storm...

    2. Re:Huh ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it needs an RFID tag so the county assessor can calculate your property taxes correctly.

    3. Re:Huh ? by DaffyDuck101 · · Score: 0
      I always thought you shouldn't screw with Mother Nature

      Or with mother-in-laws or motherf*ing Ukranians, for that matter.
    4. Re:Huh ? by CowardWithAName · · Score: 1

      But no one said anything about nailing her...

      *crickets*...

      Okay, sorry.

  3. A better nail by Duncan3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are called screws, and they have been known for a few thousand years to be vastly better then nails. Most any floor that's nailed down squeaks for example. And if you want something really good, you use bolts.

    And their "patent pending" features you'll find on most all the masonry nails in the hardware store.

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    1. Re:A better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Somebody missed the point. These new nails bridge the gap between traditional nails and screws yet cost less than screws. Screws add more time for installation and labor as holes need to be pre-drilled if you want them to be straight and you can't use anything as quick as a nailgun. These can be used in normal nailguns and add only $15 to the cost of constructing a house with them compared to traditional nails.

    2. Re:A better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Absolutely right. Screws don't even take that much longer if you are using a powered driver.

      And....you can take them out if you screw up!

      Non removable nails sounds like a nightmare.

      If you really really have to nail something down so that it doesn't come apart, use two cheap ones at different angles.

      I can see the kind of market these will be aimed at though. It won't be builders or trade, it will be the DIY maniac who has to buy the "New, shiny, space age nails" instead of learning how to build things properly.

    3. Re:A better nail by cooldev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other words, you're saying that Bostitch's team of researchers spent six years researching and designing a product and accidentally overlooked the screw? And in naming it a "Best of What's New", PopSci also must have also overlooked that very subtle and mostly unknown but perfectly viable alternative: the screw?

      And of course, for the patent pending features I'm sure they never thought to go to a hardware store and look at other nails. It's clear that your 20 seconds of thought is superior to their six years of research.

      It's so typical of Slashdot readers to waaay underestimate and devalue real research & development and the seemingly minor innovations that come out of it, but fall short of completely revolutionary turn-the-world-upside-down grand-scale innovations -- like building a time machine and teleporter (that's also portable and inexpensive, of course!).

      However, looking at your home page, as a researcher it's surprising that you're one of these people.

    4. Re:A better nail by cowscows · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your average screw won't pull out easily, but fails to sheer stress much sooner than a framing nail. I'd imagine it's possible to design a screw that resists sheer forces as well as a framing nail, but it'd likely be large and expensive, or else someone would've done it already and they'd be in wide use.

      Bolts are nice, but expensive and time consuming.

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    5. Re:A better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not too surprising. From the page, it sounds like his field of research is either computers or biology. Most people vastly underestimate the value and difficulty of fields that they are not directly involved in, even most PhD candidates.

    6. Re:A better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is innovation in the same way the Microsoft does "innovation".

      I think we all know by now that just because its been patented doesn't mean that its original or non-obvious...

    7. Re:A better nail by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

      And....you can take them out if you screw up!

      And if you screw down, you can put them in!

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    8. Re:A better nail by cooldev · · Score: 4, Insightful
      AC:
      This is innovation in the same way the Microsoft does "innovation".

      Actually, this was my primary reason for responding. Because it's not a teleporter and time machine all-in-one device, you and many others like you don't find it innovative. That's not because it's not innovative, it's because you don't understand what innovation is. You confuse innovation with some sort of absolutely-pure groundbreaking invention, whereas 99% of real innovation consists of incremental (and sometimes subtle) improvements such as this. But even those small improvements are important and often take years of research and development.

      I think we all know by now that just because its been patented doesn't mean that its original or non-obvious...

      It hasn't been patented; it's patent pending. Maybe it will get rejected. But with most innovations, they're "obvious" once you have 20/20 hindsight, even though it may have taken years of research and development and testing to figure out.

    9. Re:A better nail by Duncan3 · · Score: 1

      "In other words, you're saying that Bostitch's team of researchers spent six years researching and designing a product and accidentally overlooked the screw?"

      Yes, they were designing a nail, why would they be looking at screws?

      And I assure you I've used more nails and screws then you, or probably 99.99% of /. (I'm sure there are a couple of GC's here). Nice of you to judge with no information tho.

      Oh wait, you thought I would put information about myself on the internet ;)

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    10. Re:A better nail by greginterrupted · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are called screws, and they have been known for a few thousand years to be vastly better then nails. Most any floor that's nailed down squeaks for example. And if you want something really good, you use bolts. And their "patent pending" features you'll find on most all the masonry nails in the hardware store.

      All of the comments I have read so far are about shooting down this guy's invention. I guess there are more computer programmers than framers or contractors on Slashdot.

      The example of squeaky floors is something that is directly addressed in the article. The nails have a twist towards the head of the nail to make them less likely to back out. It works under normal conditions, too - it doesn't have to be used in only hurricane prone areas.

      Patent pending features? I've build many structures and worked at a few hardware stores, and the only thing that masonry nails have going for them is that they are thick, slightly harder than common nails, and they have a twist. They will still pull out of wood in a hurricane and probably will squeak if used incorrectly in a wooden floor instead of driving them into concrete.

      The guy in this article put ring shanks on the nail, gave it a twist so it wouldn't back out, and put on a larger head. I've never seen a nail like that before. He ALSO re engineered the material because he wanted an alloy that was hard enough to function as a nail, but soft enough so that it would not snap under stress. It took hundreds of prototypes to create this nail, and the article says that this technology will only add $15 to the building cost of a house. I think that's quite an accomplishment.

      Also, the screws they use in construction are WEAK. They're cheap steel (or a cheap alloy) and are galvanized. Sure, they work for decking, but are NOT suitable for use in framing, while these nails are. The screws you are thinking of have a countersunk head on them and they will also pull through a board easily. I've snapped these screws off using a cheap 12v electric drill.

      What have you invented lately?

    11. Re:A better nail by QuasiEvil · · Score: 5, Informative

      Haven't spent much time in construction, have we? Through college, I spent a couple summers framing houses. The days were long, and you'd come home exhausted, but you had to absolutely work your butt off if you wanted to come in on budget and actually make a buck after paying labor. Of course, I was one of the labor, but it was a small, family company I was working for, so I got an idea of how the business side actually worked. Screws are *slow* to install, compared with a guy and a nail gun. When every extra minute is eating into the bottom line, the extra time it would have taken to use screws would have "screwed" us.

      Non-removable nails don't sound that bad to me - once you knew what the hell you were doing, you didn't screw up much, particularly with a nail gun that drove nails in so deep you couldn't easily get them out anyway. If you missed by a small amount, you generally just threw in another nail and left the first one (bent over, of course, if it was sticking out). If they hold better and fit in the ol' nail gun, bring them on!

    12. Re:A better nail by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Informative
      Screws add more time for installation and labor as holes need to be pre-drilled if you want them to be straight and you can't use anything as quick as a nailgun.
      Sounds like you've never heard of a Screw Gun + self tapping screws.

      But, not everyone has a screw gun. OTOH, even though nail guns are wildly popular, they might not be able to handle the oversize head on those nails.
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    13. Re:A better nail by cooldev · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, they were designing a nail, why would they be looking at screws?

      No, they were looking for a practical way to lessen the devastating affects of hurricanes and earthquakes and you completely dismissed their research and development with your "duh, screws" comment.

    14. Re:A better nail by udderly · · Score: 1

      Point well taken. This is probably why local governments should get involved and set zoning standards--namely that screws be used on all new construction--so that every contractor has to pay the same costs for materials and labor.

    15. Re:A better nail by TWooster · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the well balanced comment-o-sanity.

      Really, each step in the creation of the nail is incremental, as in the twist, the rings, the larger head, the better metal, but putting them all together in a package that works -- by using science, experimentation against a given set of conditions -- is the innovation.

      Some people here are complaining about using better construction techniques to achieve the same effect, but face it: Most home construction is as CHEAP as possible. Contractors are EXPENSIVE. Hiring better contractors would cost more than $15. Using screws would cost more than $15 (in time spent). If you can work in the cheapest way possible, and spend only $15 more to stamp "Hurricane/Earthquake Resistant" on the flyer for potential home buyers, it's win-win.

    16. Re:A better nail by HairyCanary · · Score: 1
      Well, there is one important difference between these and screws. Screws can un-screw. That is an advantage, but also a disadvantage if you are stricly concerned with longevity.

      Disclaimer: IANAGC

    17. Re:A better nail by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 0, Troll

      What you're saying is pure bullshit.

      There is a reason why the wooden beams making up a roof are held together by big screws, not big nails. It might be that in different countries different construction methods are used, I give you that, but any place of importance where stress and longevity matters screws are used, otherwise it's just shoddy construction.

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    18. Re:A better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, yes and no. We don't make that many wooden shacks over this side of the pond, they tend to be dried mud (aka brick), and they don't blow down in a slight breeze. To be fair, though, bricks probably don't fare that well in an earthquake, wooden frames are no doubt a better bet in that scenario.

      If I'm building (or having built) something for myself, though, I'd rather have it done properly than fast, and sod the expense. I'd rather not have squeaky floors and I'd rather not have to fix stuff later.

      Funnily enough, the last building with any kind of wooden frame that I lived in didn't use nails or screws. Then again, it was made in the 11th century...

    19. Re:A better nail by Duncan3 · · Score: 1

      the only thing that masonry nails have going for them is that they are thick, slightly harder than common nails, and they have a twist. They will still pull out of wood

      Well I wouldn't use them in wood either, but you can find nails with the "new" features this guy is claiming anywhere.

      "The guy in this article put ring shanks on the nail, gave it a twist so it wouldn't back out, and put on a larger head. I've never seen a nail like that before."

      I have, and I think a couple other posters have already put up links. The twist is usually just a couple more large barbs tho. The added twist does help, but makes them a complete b*tch when you put one in the wrong place.

      Also, the screws they use in construction are WEAK.

      Oh absolutely! Usually the heads just snap right off when you use any sot of power tool, or even by hand for that matter. You have to pay a bit more to not get crap screws. Him using a better alloy is most of the fix there - in fact that alone would account for most of the strength gains, and he says so.

      Having seen how construction is done here in California it's completely amazing anything survives a big truck driving by, let alone a real earthquake.

      It's a great nail, no denying that. It's just yet another thing that makes our patent system look like a joke, and the Chinese will copy and sell at Walmart. I'd love to see the patent application for "larger nail head", that's got to be some funny stuff.

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    20. Re:A better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So now we have a big nail that is supposed to work as well as a big screw. Rejoice!

      Of course, given that the majority of the houses I've seen being built around here have had ALL of the corners cut (not that this is any new, one of my neighbors pulled off his rotting exterior wall only to discover that there never was any insulation), I doubt they'll pony up the extra cash for a nail that will make the house more structurally sound in spite of their construction techniques.

    21. Re:A better nail by Lord+Apathy · · Score: 1

      You have never had something put together by professional carpenters then. My dad and I, not professional, nailed up porches on the front and back of my house. After a few years the nails are working lose and the front one squeaks. It took us 3 days to do it.

      When they put up the deck around my pool, at least 4 times as much work as what my dad an I done. Four men that knew what they where doing showed up about 2 o'clock in the afternoon. Using nail guns they put the deck up in 4 hours and the fucker is rock solid.

      Point being, in the hands of amatures screws are usually better. But get someone out there that knows what they are doing and nails are just as good as screws.

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    22. Re:A better nail by thc69 · · Score: 0

      Screws? Bolts? Housing is already too expensive! Now you want to make work take 10 times as long?

      A roofing shingle is installed in a few seconds with six nails from a nail gun. It would probably take nearly a minute with an automatic-feed screwgun like drywallers use.

      Using screws for framing would take similarly long, because it's really goddamn hard to drive screws in heavy applications like that. Have you ever screwed two 2x4s together? Even with square drive and a powerful screwgun, you've got one hell of a lot of work on your hands.

      I can't even imagine building a common stick-built house by bolting everything. How could you bolt the end of a 2x4 to a sill plate while building a wall, for example? Unless you're talking about lag bolts, which are just really huge wood screws that require lots of pre-drilling and a fuckload of work to install.

      Post-and-beam can be put together with bolts, and I think that's commonly how it's done. I've never worked on any post-and-beam jobs.

      However...common coil gun nails have a piece of the collating wire still stuck to them when they're driven, which acts like a barb. There's two collating wires on each coil, so you'll be looking at two to four remnants of wire acting as barbs. Additionally, for hand nailing and gun nailing, you can get twist-shank and ring-shank nails that break before being pulled out. Head size doesn't seem to be an issue.

      Anyway, by only making the fasteners stronger, you merely change the failure mode. Instead of coming apart at the seams, the wood will break right near where it's nailed or screwed. The way to build a strong, stormproof structure is by designing it correctly, including factoring in fastener pullout and strength values. If a wall isn't strong enough and will come apart at nailed joints, it needs more bracing.

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    23. Re:A better nail by georgewilliamherbert · · Score: 5, Interesting


      Normal screws the size of nails tend to fail in shear at much lower stress. This is not bullshit.

      Larger screws made out of stronger alloys don't, but are typically too big to usefully stick a 2x4 to another 2x4, or hold a sheet of plywood into a 2x4 with typical installation accuracy. And require a pre-drilled hole, which at least doubles the time to install. These screws are not useful for typical building construction tasks. Cracking the wood all to hell installing oversize nails or screws incorrectly is far from the best solution.

      Wood is a hard material to join really well. You can do all sorts of half-ass methods and get two pieces of wood to stick together adequately, but doing a really good job is a lot harder. Because it's got grain and fiber, you need a lot of bearing surface to avoid the connector pulling out. Screws do great at that, but have less shear resistance, and lower cost screws are too brittle and crack right off in shear (and sometimes in tension). Nails are great at shear and are made out of alloys that rarely crack, but can pull right out. Boat nails, ring nails, other stuff is out there, but this seems to be a pretty big advance in balancing the shear and tension capabilities, ease of installation, etc.

      For absolute optimal strength, pre-drilled carefully sized screws work pretty well. This nail should be about as strong, but about 10% the effort to install, and probably a tenth the cost for the fastener.

      There was a time that it was safe to assume that people at least had built a treehouse or some such and had a clue about basic woodworking techniques. Apparently that time is now past.

    24. Re:A better nail by tilandal · · Score: 1

      Unreenforced masonary buildings are a death trap in an earthquake zone. They will crumble in a quake and bury anyone inside. In many parts of California if you rent out or sell an unreenforced masonary building you are required to list it prominently in any contract.

    25. Re:A better nail by Flendon · · Score: 1

      OTOH, even though nail guns are wildly popular, they might not be able to handle the oversize head on those nails.If you had RTFA you would know that the version described in the summary, the HurriQuake 1, was specifically designed to fit in a standard nail gun.

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    26. Re:A better nail by istartedi · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall having seen something on Discovery about how ancients living in quake zones eventually hit upon this too. Their early buildings were all stone, and crumbled. Then they learned to reinforce the stones with heavy timbers. Those were more prone to fire, but you can't have everything. Walking around Washington, DC I get to see plenty of rowhouse renovations. Many are wood frames with masonry shells. The classics never really go out of style. It's still not perfect, but it comes in at a price the market will bear.

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    27. Re:A better nail by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      >The example of squeaky floors is something that is directly addressed in the article. The nails have a twist towards the head of the nail to make them less likely to back out. It works under normal conditions

      That wasn't new in itself. There are already flooring nails that fit into a nailgun but have a slight twist to give them some screw-like resistance to being pulled out. There's even a variety that has a drop of solid glue which melts under the friction heat of being driven in and then resolidifies to hold the nail. Ring shank nails are also an existing technology.

      I did a lot of research on seismic retrofitting, and for that particular purpose nails are better than screws. The greater shear strength means they can flex before they break. The flex means that the plywood shear wall they're holding to the framing can scrape against the framing on each cycle. This friction dissipates energy like a shock absorber does and damps the oscillations. Buildings in general are horribly underdamped.

      One interesting ramification is that you need to limit the number of nails, or you get a structure so rigid that it transmits energy instead of turning it into heat. "Nailing schedules" are a big thing in seismic engineering.

      This is an example of R&D that is mostly D, a patient search through design space rather than a flash of inspiration. It's worth encouraging via the patent system. Flashes of inspiration are so gloriously fun that people will do them anyway.

      Oh, and what do I do for my house? I just upgraded the railing for my deck and its stairs. The balusters are each attached with a pair of bolts. It was so time-consuming that I understand why people still use nails, but I feel safe leaning against it.

    28. Re:A better nail by Shads · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, in some cases you ARE right... but in many, especially recent cases... you're dead wrong.

      Someone tries to patent sending email over a wireless connection... that would have been innovative BEFORE we had wireless routers with tcp/ip.

      A fair number of companies do innovate, however there are plenty of companies who do nothing but file bullshit patents for common sense things and just keep appealing until they get a clueless examiner who grants it... all so they can litigate 10 years down the road to make some money.

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    29. Re:A better nail by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Roof trusses are usually held together with mending plates or nailing plates: A rectangular piece of metal as large as the timber allows, either with holes to drive a nail through or attached prongs which are nailed directly on either side of two pieces of a truss. And when you want a truss securely fastened to the top of a wall, you use an angled piece of metal, frequently called a 'hurricane tie'. It spreads the load out over a larger section of a wall and makes it less likely to fail under high winds.

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    30. Re:A better nail by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 1

      As an aside (and tip) running a bead of acoustical sealant along the top of a joist before placing and nailing/screwing sheathing or planks down virtually eliminates any possibility of squeaking. I always recommend it to my customers when they want information on DIY projects, especially exterior decks. The acoustical sealant also seals the holes made by the nails/screws preventing water from getting past the seal on pressure treated timbres.

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    31. Re:A better nail by cowscows · · Score: 1

      Glue isn't really good for any sort of connection that's going to be taking forces causing the members to rotate around the connection. It's more for holding together longer flat faces, and keeping long joints together. Even then, it's best used in conjunction with another fastening method (biscuit joining, brad nails maybe).

      A properly glued connection will need to be held tight while drying with clamps for at least a few hours, preferably overnight. If you were to glue two 2x4's together across their wide face, it'd be damn hard to pull them apart. If you tried to pry it, it's likely that the wood itself will fail and tear before the glue gives way.

      But there's really no easy way to make glue work on something like a catapult or bridge structure.

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    32. Re:A better nail by cowscows · · Score: 1

      A hurricane tie not only spreads out the load, it also allows you to easily avoid "toenailing", so you don't have to nail through a beam/joist/whatever at an angle. Toenails are much more likely to split the wood and/or fail under stress. Instead the tie lets you put all the nails in perpendicular to the face of the lumber. Good stuff.

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    33. Re:A better nail by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      I should patent that. Oh, wait, it's a standard.

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    34. Re:A better nail by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      Screw guns aren't all that good. They're rather hard to use, and the screw isn't driven right for about 1/5 screws. When it messes up, it takes a while to fix it. Beyond that, they aren't very fast. You can do 500 nails in the time it takes to do 50 screws.

      Nailgun:
      poppoppoppoppoppoppopopop
      Screwgun:
      brrrrrrrrrrrrrpopbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpopbrrrrrrrrrrr rrrpopbrrrrrrasdfasdfasdfGrabdrilldriverandfinisht hescrewbrrrrrrrpopbrrrrrrrrrpop

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    35. Re:A better nail by RobertinXinyang · · Score: 1
      Sorry, not a few thousand years. I recomend that you look at this book "One Good Turn: A Natural History of the Screwdriver and the Screw" by Witold Rybczynski.# ISBN: 0684867303 ISBN-13: 9780684867304 # Format: Paperback, 176pp # Publisher: Simon & Schuster Adult Publishing Group

      In it, the author finds the first use of a screw, as a fastener, in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. It is on a piece of 15th-century armor. It is true, screws have been used a devices as far back as the 2nd century B.C., where a the water screw represents perhaps the first human creation of a helix. However, the screws use as a fastener is much more recent than that and mass produced screws, suitable for construction and manufacturing, are very recent indeed.

    36. Re:A better nail by joto · · Score: 1
      Someone tries to patent sending email over a wireless connection... that would have been innovative BEFORE we had wireless routers with tcp/ip.

      No. Once you have internetworking (e.g. tcp/ip, xns, etc), which by definition mean that you can combine different kinds of networks, regardless of wire-level protocol, it's completely obvious that you also can replace an electrical wire with other kinds of communication media, such as radio signals, infrared signals, fiber-optic cables, audio signals, mechanical transfer through rods and gears, manual transfer through a keyboard, magnetic disks carried by a courier, or small paper strips carried by carrier pigeons. Of the examples mentioned, I believe the only one that I haven't heard about done in one way or another is the mechanical transfer (and the last three were probably done only to prove a point)

    37. Re:A better nail by Archeopteryx · · Score: 1

      No. You *totally* don't understand!

      Even a screw fails under shearing stress.

      Though it solves the pulling-out problem, usually, a screw does not solve the shearing problem at all.

      And screws are not necessarily harder to pull out because often they are over-driven which means that the wood surrounding the screw is not solid, but is now sawdust.

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    38. Re:A better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we're all glad that you put the fact that you're a stupid cunt on the internet. That's helpful information for everyone.

    39. Re:A better nail by fermion · · Score: 1
      From my limited work with bolts, they have issues. First, it seems you have to be more skilled/careful to use bolts. The area on the head of the joining surface is greater, so they can apply more stress to the material, and more stress to the bolt. To apply a bolt properly, one really should use a torque wrench. This means that on each bolt you start with a pneumatic power driver and end with a manual torque check. Two tools. The added torque also leads to bow. Of course if one is talking a bolt/nut situation, then the issue becomes more complex, especially if one is working in a space that is hard to access. Then one has to glue with bolt with something like locktite, and if one wants to really protect from an extended situation, perhaps even wire it in.

      Which of course is carrying the whole thing to far. It seems to me the that the benefits of nails is that they are quick and can be applied by semi-skilled cheap labor. A screw almost certainly is marginally superior, but when accounting for the ease of use of the nail, the benefit of of this research becomes apparent. A fastener that is competitive with the screw, but can be applied with a cost on the order of a nail.

      One must recall that ultimately final quality is not determined solely by the materials use, but also by the usability of the materials. It does little good to pay for the finest materials if no one has the skill or the patience or the time to use them.

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    40. Re:A better nail by nanodec · · Score: 1

      having worked in contractor sales for 10+ years, I can tell you that no contractor would want to build a house out of screws. The cost would easy double for the customer along with the added time/labor cost associated with using primarly screws. These look like good new products, and every year there are new ones out on the market which make the job of building houses faster, stronger and with time, even cheaper.. I agree that screws in some circumstances can be better fasteners, but only in certian circumstances.

    41. Re:A better nail by orielbean · · Score: 1

      Screws shear. Nails flex and bend and are pliable.

    42. Re:A better nail by cooldev · · Score: 1

      Shads, for the record I have no respect for companies that:

      a) File bullshit patents for common sense or obvious things, with the hope that one will slip by and get granted.

      b) File patents with no intent to follow through and build a product that realizes said patent.

      and/or

      c) File possibly legit patents (creative algorithms and such), but silently sits on them until someone else's independent invention becomes popular, or even the de facto standard, and then surfaces their submarine patent and holds everybody hostage.

      Intellectual property is necessary and has a net positive affect, but that doesn't mean it isn't abused.

    43. Re:A better nail by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      They are called screws, and they have been known for a few thousand years to be vastly better then nails.
      Wow! I'm sure they completely overlooked that! Never mind that you can fire 25 nails via a pneumatic nailgun in the time it takes to drive one screw. Never mind that screws cost 3 times what "regular" 16p green vinyl sinker nails do, vs. 10-20% more for these nails. No, clearly they're just stupid and didn't think of screws! You know, they also didn't think of wedged/pinned mortise and tenon construction either. What a bunch of fools, inventing a better nail when we can already slot giant oaken beams together and fasten them with pegs much more securely!

      Also, screws as fasteners have not been known for "thousands of years" to be anything. Try less than 600.
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    44. Re:A better nail by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Having seen how construction is done here in California it's completely amazing anything survives a big truck driving by, let alone a real earthquake.
      Well, as my boss put it once: "rigidity is the enemy of earthquakes". Weakly fastened structures tend to simply pull apart ever so slightly at the joints, often requiring little more than a little stucco and drywall mud to cover the cracks and return them to their original (cosmetic) glory. It's amazing how far a wood frame building can go out of square and still be considered habitable. I lived in a craptastic apartment building once that was only 30 years old, but visibly out of square at just about every corner. Between the bad foundation fill causing half the building to sink several inches over the years, and the door frames so off-kilter that a plumb line from the center top of the door would fall over an inch off of center at the bottom, I'm surprised it ever passed inspection--- but it's still standing.
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    45. Re:A better nail by smcn · · Score: 1

      It hasn't been patented; it's patent pending. Maybe it will get rejected.HAHAHAHAHAHA! That was killer, thank goodness I wasn't drinking anything when I read that.

    46. Re:A better nail by Sleepy · · Score: 1

      Somebody missed the point.

      Yeah, you and me both. Blame the author (Tom Clynes) for focusing too much on the gee-whiz stuff, and failing in his job of evenly reporting facts with a bit of skeptacism.

      The nail folks completely skirted the 'third test' -- the one a SKEPTIC would have wanted -- which is to rebuild the same structure using SCREWS. Notice the author failed to CALL them on this? This isn't "science" it is a press release!
      (Yes, screws are more expensive. So is rebuilding your home. No one disputes this.)

      If the real 'point' is the cost savings of these pseudo-screw nails because they can be used in (some to many - not all) common nailguns, making them MUCH cheaper to install than screws.... then please elaborate and detail the costs. HOW MUCH more expensive would traditional screws be compared to this new 'invention'?

      Popular Science gets it right sometimes, but other times they're as useless as USA Today.

    47. Re:A better nail by mha · · Score: 1

      Agree! (I have to post this useless "me too" because idiot that I am I just modded you DOWN because somehow I thought this is the idiot-rant article of the "I know everything better" guy, and by posting something my moderation is undone since I cannot post AND mod the same discussion...)

    48. Re:A better nail by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      We made the exact same things in Woodwork ( called C.D.T at the time )over 15 years ago. My Bridge however won the competition by a long long way which I think is down the fact it broke when I tested it before the competition so I coated the entire structure in 4 or 5 layers of glue which I think helped to hold it together later.

      My catapult was cruelly robbed of it's winning position when on it's first shot it shot right to the end of the room, hit the wall and bounced back quite a long way ( we were using ping pong balls ). The stupid teacher ruled that it had only shot as far as the ball had actually landed so even though no one else got anywhere near the wall I didn't win.

    49. Re:A better nail by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Getting a misplaced HurriQuake nail out of the wood will be even worse.
      If you are lucky, you can just cut it off and place a new one nearby. If you are not so lucky (the nail MUST go out), removing it will be a lot more difficult than removing the screw.

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    50. Re:A better nail by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1
      This is an example of R&D that is mostly D, a patient search through design space rather than a flash of inspiration. It's worth encouraging via the patent system. Flashes of inspiration are so gloriously fun that people will do them anyway.

      I see a problem with that:
      Patents are designed to protect concepts, not implementations of a known concept. But a patient search through design space gives you just that, a particular implementation of known concepts. Granting a monopoly (patent) on the concept would be unfair to others in this case, and is indeed supposed to be blocked by prior art (sloppyness of the patent office nonwithstanding).

      The German version of the utility model, the "Gebrauchsmuster", might be a more appropriate protection for products like this. For a short description, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebrauchsmuster.

      The US patent system being as it is, I'd expect the HurriQuake patents to be granted by the USPTO but revoked in court if someone bothers to sue them ;-)
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    51. Re:A better nail by smoker2 · · Score: 1
      There was a time that it was safe to assume that people at least had built a treehouse or some such and had a clue about basic woodworking techniques. Apparently that time is now past.
      Apparently it has.

      Ever heard of a mortice and tenon joint ? A dovetail joint, a lap joint, a finger or box combing joint ?

      My fathers house was built in the 1700s and the roof beams are reclaimed from a ship, as can be seen from all the peg holes and the shape of the beams. I doubt there was a single nail used in its construction.

      What you are describing is called jerry-building. A house is supposed to be an investment, not a commodity.

    52. Re:A better nail by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      I guess there are more computer programmers than framers or contractors on Slashdot.

      What was your first clue? ;-)

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    53. Re:A better nail by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1
      There was a time that it was safe to assume that people at least had built a treehouse or some such and had a clue about basic woodworking techniques. Apparently that time is now past.

      Specialization is what makes modern economies work. It's called progress--it's a good thing.
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    54. Re:A better nail by sootman · · Score: 1

      Wood is a hard material to join really well... Because it's got grain and fiber, you need a lot of bearing surface to avoid the connector pulling out. Screws do great at that, but have less shear resistance, and lower cost screws are too brittle and crack right off in shear (and sometimes in tension). Nails are great at shear and are made out of alloys that rarely crack, but can pull right out.

      So... why not alternate? And maybe use 50% more connectors overall? I.e., instead of 100 nails or 100 screws, use 75 nails and 75 screws. Actually, 60 of each would probably do nicely. Yes, I know that costs more, but it would seem to give the best of both worlds if you're in a position to care more about quality more than costs. The screws supply the tensile strength and the nails supply the shear strength.

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    55. Re:A better nail by jesterpilot · · Score: 1

      It really depends on how long the building is supposed to last. If you plan to maintain the building, screws will become attractive, because it will be so much easyer to replace wooden parts.

      I've worked many hours on a wooden ship which was built using nails (real big ones, no sissy patent-machine-extruded wire nails, but forged by hand in the 19th century by real men). These are hell if you need to replace a wooden part, even if most of the wood is wasted. We use (carefully hidden) screws and bolts whenever a part of the ship is restored, although it costs much more time and money. You'll get it 3x back if you have to do maintenance somewhere in the future.

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    56. Re:A better nail by Dirtside · · Score: 1
      And....you can take them out if you screw up!

      And if you screw down, you can put them in!

      But only in Soviet Russia.
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    57. Re:A better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing worse than a troll is a cowardly troll that pretends he never said it in the first place. Or do you have short term memory problems and can't remember that you were the one that brought up screws in the first place? "Why would they be looking at screws?" indeed.

    58. Re:A better nail by georgewilliamherbert · · Score: 1
      Specialization is what makes modern economies work. It's called progress--it's a good thing.


      And cross-training lets you solve larger problems. If all you can do is one job, you're a worker drone. If you understand several, you can solve cross-discipline problems.
    59. Re:A better nail by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      To be fair, a person who divides his education between multiple subjects will not be as skilled in any particular subject as a person who concentrates on one subject at the expense of others.

      And solving cross-disciplinary problems can be called a discipline of its own, and is just as drone-like. There is certainly room in our economy for both highly-specialized workers and cross-disciplinary workers.

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    60. Re:A better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, contrary to the way software patents seem to work, hardware patents *are* about protecting a particular implementation of a process, rather than the idea of the process itself. If you don't believe me, just hunt through the USPTO database for ergonomic shovels. You'll find about 50 variations on the theme of adding a grip away from the shaft about half-way down the shaft.

      It's only with software that you get patents for 'a computer running a program that gives result X'.

  4. Moo by Chacham · · Score: 0

    They seem to have hit the nail on the head with this one. Got to go file this one away.

    1. Re:Moo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they picked a good name. They could probably chrome plate them and call them HurriQuake Fusion and sell for another $15.

  5. Patenting friction. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Not your average nail though, the HurriQuake nail spent six years in development."

    But of course all this is obvious? Right Slashdot?

  6. easier solution by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1, Funny

    that long of development when they could have just wrapped about a mile of duct tape around each building and no parts would blow off or fall apart or anything! If you think that's stupid, look at step two of the flash. The nail has "fat head technology"

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  7. Duct tape by gelfling · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I bet a house made of duct tape can outlast nails. It can hold anything to anything.

  8. Building codes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The issue is not that the structures can't handle the winds. It is that the construction codes are not being followed by the builders. Construction is so poor because of cost-cutting by contractors and/or unskilled labor and cutting corners. This was true with Andrew (Miami) and continues to be true. If contractors built to the code and inspectors held them to it, alot of the damage seen would not occur. I have a house that was only 5 miles from the eye of Hurricane Charlie (140+ mph winds) and suffered minimal damage (a few pieces of soffet blown off, no shingles or other damage). But ... we watched the contractors and ensured that they did everything by the book. Neighbors saw their (oftern much more expensive) homes literally blown to the ground. Older structures (60's/70's) also saw little damage.

    So ... just make sure the builders build to the code. Adding a better nail won't cure sloppy cost-cutting construction.

    1. Re:Building codes by Psiren · · Score: 1

      Could somebody explain to me why so many US houses seem to be built of wood? Why not use concrete, mortar, brick and tile, like we do over here in the UK? Is this a cost thing? Lack of resources? Everytime I see hurricanes on the news I'm still baffled why you keep putting glorified sheds (shacks) bang smack in the way of mother nature. It just seems dumb.

    2. Re:Building codes by EMeta · · Score: 1

      Yeah, cost for the most part. Wood is easy to make, easy to ship, and mostly, really simple to install (& install other stuff to it). Metal is a pain to attatch securely, & bigger pieces are a pain to transport. Brick's used in abundance around areas where it's mined (like North Carolina), but it gets expensive to transport far. And tile, of course is not a particularly strong material. Stronger than regular shingles? Yes. Cheaper than replacing shingles a few times? No.

    3. Re:Building codes by Gorobei · · Score: 1

      Largely because Americans only consider average houses to have a lifespan of 30 years or so (i.e. shorter than Britain, longer than Japan.) Obviously, we can and do build houses with much longer expected lifespans, but the typical house is essentially obsolete within 30 years: ceilings too low, rooms too small, underpowered electricity, no intranet, ugly layout due to incremental expansion, etc. The next thirty years may see a new obsolesence: energy wastage, too big, etc.

      So, its mostly a cost thing combined with an abundance of resources! England gives houses names, we give them numbers :)

    4. Re:Building codes by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because houses here are built as cheaply as possible, often even using unskilled illegal-immigrant labor (not that the lazy white hicks that would be the alternative around here would be any better...). Also, we don't have the benefit of comparison to 1000 year old examples of (apparently) good construction to shame the builders into good behavior, as you do over there. In other words, our structures suck because everyone is either too lazy (workers), greedy (builders), or stupid (owners) to care.

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    5. Re:Building codes by mrchaotica · · Score: 0
      Brick's used in abundance around areas where it's mined (like North Carolina)

      Brick is not mined; it's man-made.

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    6. Re:Building codes by mspohr · · Score: 1
      Wood is cheap in the US and expensive in the UK. That's why we have wood houses and you have brick/cement/etc.

      In California, wood is better for earthquakes (flexible) whereas brick just falls down.

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    7. Re:Building codes by ningeo · · Score: 1

      In Canada at least, the biggest reason is insulation. It is easy to insulate a wooden frame house effectively, while it is relatively hard to insulate a brick and mortar house. I have heard of aerated concrete having some ridiculously high insulation ratings, but I think this is a little cost prohibitive to the general population. The aerated concrete doesn't have the strength to be structural, so it needs some kind of frame (2x6 lumber, usually) to support it anyways. I'm no expert, corrections are welcome.

    8. Re:Building codes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I have heard of aerated concrete having some ridiculously high insulation ratings, but I think this is a little cost prohibitive to the general population. The aerated concrete doesn't have the strength to be structural, so it needs some kind of frame (2x6 lumber, usually) to support it anyways. I'm no expert, corrections are welcome.

      Actually there is aerated concrete that has structural strenght. It's called Siporex and was developed by Finnish chemist Lennart Forsén in the 1930's. Siporex is used in Finland and in other European countries. It's propably not available in the U.S., though.

      The Finnish website: http://www.siporex.fi/
      Information in English: http://celcon.co.uk/index.php?do=Page&pid=195
    9. Re:Building codes by dcam · · Score: 1

      But regulation stifles the free market! /sarcasm

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    10. Re:Building codes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. My parents didn't build the house they are currently living in, but they obviously picked a good one. Hurricane Rita's eye passed within less than 5 miles of their house and all they had to show for it was a few missing shingles, and the fans on the back porch had all their blades broken off (I really wonder how fast Rita had them spinning to get that to happen). There's no substitute for quality construction.

    11. Re:Building codes by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Brick is not mined; it's man-made.

      From clay, which is mined.

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  9. Wow by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    Beavis and Butthead would be having a field day with that summary

    1. Re:Wow by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      It said 'stiffness' huhuhuh

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  10. Fat Head Patent by 4D6963 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They patented the fat head technology. I'm sure many people in Hollywood or Washington D.C. could claim prior art on this one

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      I think you're confusing fat head and d*ck head... :-)

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  11. Re:What should I do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You always were.

  12. Build a better nail by Miertam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And the construction industry will beat a path to your door. Yes screws are a better fastener but they take much longer to install driving the labor costs up. This is a case where they applied complex tech to the design of something simple and improved it.

    1. Re:Build a better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This is a case where they applied complex tech to the design of something simple and improved it.


      Well, if it isn't my old friend Captain Obvious. How are you?
    2. Re:Build a better nail by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

      If you can't be bothered to install a screw instead of a nail, then screw you. ;)

      Seriously, these objects usually have a very large time-to-install : time-being-in-place ratio. Why not do it right if it only takes a little longer, but most likely someone ends up living with the solution for years?

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    3. Re:Build a better nail by inkey+string · · Score: 1

      Have you ever worked construction? No you haven't.

      Take the few seconds saved for each fastener, multiply that across all the fasteners in a house, then all the houses in a subdivision. Construction labour isn't cheap. You've just save tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in a notoriously low margin and cutthroat industry.

    4. Re:Build a better nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why not do it right if it only takes a little longer, but most likely someone ends up living with the solution for years?

      Never dealt with a large scale (housing development or larger) residential building contractor have you? These people will endanger your life to save pennies per house as long as they can get it past code inspection. I'm sure this HurriQuake nail, with an estimated cost of $15 per hour will only be a $1000 mandatory "upgrade" for the new owners.

    5. Re:Build a better nail by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1
      Have you ever worked construction? No you haven't.
      Don't state something when you don't know it for sure. As a matter of fact, my father owns a small construction company that specialises in building houses for families.

      I have to say, they use thousands of nails in the construction of a single house. For the temporary scaffoldings, etc. The current nails just do perfectly fine for that purpose. In Hungary it is extremely rare that someone builds a wooden house. 99.9% of the residential homes are brick and tile houses. Where something is permanent (in most cases, we're talking about the roof here that needs screws), almost always screws are used.

      Oh btw, construction labor is quite cheap here. Not as much though as future homeowners would like ;)
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    6. Re:Build a better nail by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Not if you charge more for the superior construction techniques.

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    7. Re:Build a better nail by LouisZepher · · Score: 1

      Not as much though as future homeowners would like.

      Duh, I think that was the point

    8. Re:Build a better nail by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Don't state something when you don't know it for sure. As a matter of fact, my father owns a small construction company that specialises in building houses for families. I have to say, they use thousands of nails in the construction of a single house. For the temporary scaffoldings, etc. The current nails just do perfectly fine for that purpose. In Hungary it is extremely rare that someone builds a wooden house. 99.9% of the residential homes are brick and tile houses.
      Pedantic ass. As is patently obvious by the subject under discussion, the specific meaning of his statement was "Have you ever worked in (wood frame) construction? No, you (obviously) have not." As you confirm, you don't know jack shit about building a permanent structure out of wood, as you use masonry where you are. Really, your retort deserves nothing but ridicule, as you essentially replied to an observation of "you know nothing about construction" with a statement of "no, I am only ignorant about the kind of construction we're discussing". Good job! He'll never live down that smackdown!
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  13. So what if by nietsch · · Score: 1

    you had screws you could hammer in and screw out if needed?

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    1. Re:So what if by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Then they'd be nails.

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    2. Re:So what if by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 1

      You can't hammer in a screw, it won't hold. The threading on a screw will make a much larger hole and pull out easily. Screws are better (in some applications) because they make the same size hole as a nail but the threading cuts into the surrounding wood and provides a larger surface area to spread out forces

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    3. Re:So what if by CityZen · · Score: 1

      Well, the nail described in TFA has a ring shank. What if you just make the rings out of one spiral instead of many parallel rings? Then perhaps shape the head in such a way that a tool could engage and twist it?

      Hmm, maybe I should patent this.

    4. Re:So what if by nietsch · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but they do exist on my side of the pond. Granted they have a plastic plug around them and they are intended to be hammered into concrete (after drillin a hole). But because americans are to cheap to built houses with concrete, you won't see them on your side of the pond.

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  14. deja vu all over again by Murgatroyd · · Score: 1

    Of course, the last time we went over this, it was the OLPC project that was touted.

  15. The 2nd best gadget by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Was probably a more efficient way to make hurricanes and earthquakes.

  16. Sounds a bit like Boat Nails by dsci · · Score: 4, Informative

    The team machined a series of barbed rings that extend up the nail's shaft from its point

    Boat Nails have been around quite a while; barbs on nails is not new.

    disclaimer: no affiliation with linked-to company in any way; just using as a reference.

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    1. Re:Sounds a bit like Boat Nails by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      The team machined a series of barbed rings that extend up the nail's shaft from its point

      Boat Nails have been around quite a while; barbs on nails is not new.

      Duh. Virtually none of the features on the HurriQuake nail are new. The innovation in this instance comes of 'nailing together two things in such a way as they have never been nailed before'. (Pardon the pun and a tip of the hat to the George Carlin.) I.E. it's the combination of individual features that make this nail 'new'.
       
      The OP's comment is Exhibit 1,000,000,000,000 in why Slashdot needs a '-5 Clueless and/or misses the point' rating.
  17. Nails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Gee, nice Bostich commercial. Never heard of a ring shank nail? Try driving one. I've bought hundreds of thousands of tons of nails, I'll tell you there is a lot more to a nail than meets the eye. Not all nails are shot from nail guns, the nails on framing anchors have to be driven by hand . There's the angle on the chisel point, bending but not breaking, checkered heads, rust resistant coatings, uniformity, AND price. Nails are a commodity.

  18. Yes, but will it counter substandard construction? by Programmer_Errant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't think any house is built to standard these days. If the standard says 3 nails per stud, you're lucky to get two nails per. The resulting house is so flimsy that you can literally grab a house by the corner post after the framing in done and wobble the entire structure back and forth. Sometimes even after the sheathing in put on. Sheathing isn't supposed to be the main factor in structural stability, it's there for insulation. Housing inspectors aren't a help here. They're incredibily corrupt.

    IIRC, a lot of the damage from hurricanes was to houses not built to existing code. So unless they use these nails on the builders themselves, I don't think they'll do that much good.

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  20. Black friday is already over. by BaronSprite · · Score: 1

    Why did this whole article feel like a giant sears ad? I thought science included things other than home improvement items.

    1. Re:Black friday is already over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It felt like a giant sears ad because you're a pompous ass. If it's not a teleporter, it's not innovation, right? Sure, there are barbed nails. But you can't shoot them with a nail gun. Sure, there are masonry nails, with a twist, but you can't shoot those through a nail gun. Yes, you can use screws, but they take three times as long to install, and are much more brittle. Sure, there are fancy nails that don't pull out, but those are very expensive. These nails are very cheap. Giving all of those properties to nails ... fixing a problem that kills people ... for $15/house is innovation.

      However, since nails are used by pick your favorite minority (mexicans, rednecks, blacks, etc) they sure can't be innovation.

  21. Quake eh? by triso · · Score: 0

    Are these for the nail gun in quake II?

  22. My Kingdom for a Nanonail by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    What about a nail that slips right into its target, opening barbs to prevent it sliding out, holding everything together with only tensile strength?

    A nanofiber nail that's a single atom at the point, and maybe only a few hundred atoms across, braided to keep it straight as it's pushed from behind. Micrometer-long whips pointing back along the shaft for barbs, a flat back for pressing that twists off exactly flush with the surface into which the nail is driven. Bonus points for an electromagnetic effect that withdraws the barbs and forces the nail out of the target material.

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    1. Re:My Kingdom for a Nanonail by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      At that point our houses will be grown instead of constructed, so there won't be a need to fasten things together in the first place :)

    2. Re:My Kingdom for a Nanonail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Bonus points for an electromagnetic effect that withdraws the barbs and forces the nail out of the target material.]

      So whatever homes the nuclear detonation doesn't obliterate will automatically collapse to save any survivors the horror? That's efficient.

    3. Re:My Kingdom for a Nanonail by winomonkey · · Score: 1

      ..and with your "bonus" electromagnetic effect, how do you propose keeping folks with small EMP generators from driving around the neighborhood? War driving could have a whole new meaning...

    4. Re:My Kingdom for a Nanonail by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Who says it's for nailing houses, or even wood? With the EM retraction, I could staple together big nuggets of GM game I bag in the field outside my cloud dome :).

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    5. Re:My Kingdom for a Nanonail by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      It would have to be more like wardriving than like ring & run, because the nanonails would react to only a coded EM pulse, password style. Qubits of encoded passwords, like the ones that next instruct the nailed materials to roll themselves up into a vehicle.

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    6. Re:My Kingdom for a Nanonail by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

      I don't understand exactly why this would be, but I've heard from several sources that a very sharp nail is more likely to split the wood, so you may want to widen that point a little.

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    7. Re:My Kingdom for a Nanonail by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Until i hear a reason why a fiber a dozen nm across with an atomic tip would split a mesoscopic plank, I'm not going to go back into the nanolab. It's hot in there.

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    8. Re:My Kingdom for a Nanonail by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Your nanonail sounds very dangerous. Sharper than a needle for poking holes all the way through your hand, supersharp barbs for ripping off skin. No thanks.

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    9. Re:My Kingdom for a Nanonail by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Such a skinny nail poking through your hand, even if you couldn't use the thumbpress I mentioned, wouldn't do much, if any, damage. Just pull it through, or use the EM to draw down the barbs and put it out.

      Or wear the forcefield all the pros have.

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  23. US house construction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something I've always wondered about is why in the US the majority of house builds seem to be based upon timber frame rather than brick built or stone? This seems to be the case even in hurricane, tornado and termite zones. Is this correct?

    1. Re:US house construction? by Itsacon · · Score: 1

      Good question, was wondering about that myself.

      Sounds like the story of the three little piggies to me ;-)

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    2. Re:US house construction? by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing tradition, and wood there is cheaper than brick & mortar or concrete. Hence all the fires.

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    3. Re:US house construction? by artifex2004 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's a bit like asking why so many computers keep getting sold with such flimsy or poor quality components. It's all about the profit margin, and targeting a certain demographic.

      People want certain amenities in their houses, but are only willing to pay a certain amount, so they go with housebuilders that meet their price points.
      Of course, that means shortcuts behind the scenes, perhaps even the corruption other people here seem to say is endemic, too.
      Not to mention, a lot of people are just ignorant of what goes into quality building, and some just buy a house thinking they'll move with their job in 5 years or so, anyway, so why bother?

      I only know anything about home construction because I watch a lot of home repair shows. Which means I really don't know much.
      I'd pay $100 or more for a real, regularly updated text that explains what the newest, best housing materials and methods are, and how to manage a builder, so that when I finally go buy a house, I can look for a builder who will build with those things. I'm sure I'll need an architect, too, but I don't even know that process, either.

    4. Re:US house construction? by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1
      It's all about the profit margin, and targeting a certain demographic.
      Ok, then let's flip the question. Why is that that in Europe brick/concrete construction is preferred? I don't think it's because of the profit margin...
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    5. Re:US house construction? by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      That question probably comes from a European. (I didn't look). Europe (overall) has been using their forests very carefully since about the time the first Theign or Jarl ordered all his peasants to stop cutting firewood from live trees in his woods. The US uses wood more (a lot more) for construction because for a while it was incredibly cheap and plentiful compared to European availablity, and now that it's getting more like it's been in Europe for the last 1400 years or so, the trades are still catching up. People build with what they know.
      One drawback is there are less decently durable, low maintenance and inexpensive to heat buildings for many of our poorer people. One advantage is more homes are in houses on owned land, rather than in apartment complexes where the land belongs to someone else. There are lots of trade offs, both ways. (And of course both the USA and Europe are huge places with lots of regional exceptions to what I just wrote).

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    6. Re:US house construction? by artifex2004 · · Score: 1
      Ok, then let's flip the question. Why is that that in Europe brick/concrete construction is preferred? I don't think it's because of the profit margin...


      How much of what you are looking at, in Europe, is new building, on a scale like in the US? :)
      Also, how do the building codes compare in most European cities, compared to most American suburbs? Tighter external restrictions mean, of course, fewer options.
      Also, what are the costs of lumber in the EU, compared to here?
      In Australia they've been building out in some areas with wood-frame everything, and I think last year was when it really came back to bite them, with hurricane damage.
    7. Re:US house construction? by thogard · · Score: 1

      Maybe its because nearly 100 millions houses have been build on wood frames and had no problems at all?

    8. Re:US house construction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a heinous amount of new building going on here in the UK. And apart from the posh steel city centre flats, there are very very few that are anything other than standard brick boxes. Nobody uses timber frames.

      The areas of the country most exposed to wind are up in Scotland; last week there were Hurricane force winds recorded in the islands (winds gusting to 100mph happen every year) and nobody paid much attention, or had a run on plywood. (If everyone has the houses built properly, there isn't the debris)

      I suppose one major difference here is that land is excruciatingly expensive so the actual build cost of the house is probably a smaller part of the construction cost. I live in a cheap area of the country and my smallish house would probably cost you $160000 odd to construct. The land would cost you $240000...

    9. Re:US house construction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well let's see:

      1.) easily damaged by fire

      2.) Easily damaged by flood

      3.) Easily damaged by wind.

      4.) Easily damaged by insects

      5.) Easily damaged by rodents

    10. Re:US house construction? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      There is a heinous amount of new building going on here in the UK.

      Oh yeah? What do you consider a "heinous" amount, then? Is it on the same scale as the 72,861 (warning: PDF) private housing units built here in Atlanta in last year? Somehow I doubt it. And note that that's residential only, by the way -- commercial adds an additional 10,615 units.

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    11. Re:US house construction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were approximately 120,000 houses built in the UK last year. This does not include any trailer parks (which I suspect your "housing units" include) - even our slums are brick houses - and very very few will be timber framed. Admittedly the UK is a bit bigger than Atlanta, and we don't replace houses quite so often.

      The best period to look at would be after the second world war, when a lot of cities were bombed out and there was a large migration to suburbs at the same time. A lot of british suburbs consist of houses built during the late 40s and 50s. They are almost all very well constructed brick houses.

    12. Re:US house construction? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      If you compare population numbers with that building quote, it becomes a rather sore stain: You wouldnt need such a huge turnover if you werent shitting crap into the landscape.

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    13. Re:US house construction? by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      Then why is brick, stone and concrete becoming increasingly popular...

      concrete is really becoming a great option and from the outside or inside you cant even tell it is a concrete home.

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    14. Re:US house construction? by thogard · · Score: 1

      In the US most new brick and stone houses are veneer which is just a layer over a standard wood frame house.
      Even with older construction methods the floors and roof consists of a great deal of wood.

      Concrete is a lousy construction material if you have to deal with real heat or cold.

    15. Re:US house construction? by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      go look up concrete for homes, it is an incredibly efficient material to use, energy efficient to heat and cool and it is finally overcoming the stigma from the 50-60s when the homes were really ugly.

      concrete is a great core, but you cant just make it out of concrete.

      I dont really know what you mean by real heat or cold, I am sure the material has limitations, ie Alaska or in Death Valley it might not be great, but for the majority of the US...

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    16. Re:US house construction? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      There were approximately 120,000 houses built in the UK last year.

      Let's do some more math: the population of metro Atlanta is 5,103,766, and the population of London is 7,465,100, which means metro Atlanta is 68% of the size. Metro Atlanta built 72,861 residential housing units, while the UK built 120,000, which is a ratio of about 60%. So, what that more or less works out to is that in order to match our rate of construction, those 120,000 houses would have had to been built in London alone, not the entire UK!

      This does not include any trailer parks (which I suspect your "housing units" include)

      Doubt it. Those statistics were for building permits issued. Somehow I don't think trailers require building permits.

      Admittedly the UK is a bit bigger than Atlanta, and we don't replace houses quite so often.

      Who said we replace houses here in Atlanta? It's only new construction that's crap; the older houses are of much better quality. The only time I've ever seen houses demolished around here is when they wanted to replace it with higher density residential or commercial stuff.

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  24. Genetic algorithms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't this be a great time to use genetic algorithms to optimize the barb placement/head thickness/etc? I'm sure there are some set of equations one can apply to let a computer simulate nails being driven into wood or any other material. I'm reminded of Thomas Jefferson, who used calculus to design the optimal plow.

  25. Wind Resistant Construction by KonoWatakushi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are marketing these nails as superior fasteners that will withstand a high wind environment. However, they are only fasteners, and the rest of the structure is still just as vulnerable to threats such as fire, water, termites, and so forth. For a truly robust, energy efficient, and long-lasting structure, the obvious solution is concrete.

    Insulating Concrete Forms are basically like Legos made out of an insulating foam. You stack them together, insert rebar, and fill with concrete. The cost is estimated at 5% more than standard wood frame houses, and are superior in every way.

    As the earth warms, storms will continue to become stronger and stronger. "An Inconvenient Truth" goes into more detail, and if you haven't seen it, you really should. In any case, it is about time that we started building more durable structures.

    1. Re:Wind Resistant Construction by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      ...and are superior in every way.

      Except seismically, I'll bet.

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    2. Re:Wind Resistant Construction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try, but not quite. A properly built reinforced concrete home will survive earthquakes and hurricanes alike will little or no structural damage. Obviously, not 100%, but it is as good as it gets.

    3. Re:Wind Resistant Construction by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Insulating Concrete Forms are basically like Legos made out of an insulating foam. You stack them together, insert rebar, and fill with concrete. The cost is estimated at 5% more than standard wood frame houses, and are superior in every way.

      Superior in every way? [snort] Hardly. Have you ever lived in one? Have you ever tried to remodel one? I've done both - and the concrete house comes off second in virtually every way, especially when remodeling. (And the concrete houses I lived in had conventional flooring over a crawl space - if you build on slab, the situation becomes even worse.)
    4. Re:Wind Resistant Construction by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The foam usually used is polystyrene. Where it is exposed to the weather, chunks are easily broken off and the result is ugly.

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  26. We don't actually need them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We can already build structures that will withstand any load that you can specify. The question is just one of how much you're willing to pay. The other question is one of getting the structure properly built. There's the rub.

    Over the years Fine Homebuilding magazine has done post-mortems on houses that haven't survived natural disasters. http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuilding/index.asp One thing that usually stands out is substandard materials and workmanship. Usually the local building code adequately takes the expected disasters into account.

    My favorite example: During Hurricane Andrew, shingles that weren't applied perfectly would lift. Rain would blow up under the shingles and soak the particle board (not plywood) roof sheathing. The sheathing would swell and the staples holding them would cut through the swollen wood (the staples weren't pulled out of the rafters). The particle board roof sheathing would blow off and, when the wind got in, that was it for the rest of the house.

    So, what do I think of these marvellous new nails? We don't really need them. Some cheap builder will get an engineer to sign off on a design that uses half as many nails. A roofer won't get one of the nails in the right place and won't drive another one to compensate. The building inspector won't notice. The contractor will save ten bucks per house. Someone will die.

    Why am I so cynical about contractors and tradespeople? I know building inspectors and engineers.

  27. Wooden houses by Maimun · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As a European, I was very surprised to find out that most houses in Canada and the States are made of woode. Actually, I should have noticed that before, having seen numerous American films. It is so obvious in them the houses are wooden once you pay attention. To me, a house is something made of concrete and bricks.

    I am not trying to annoy anyone here with this comment, just sharing an opinion. A house made of wood feels somehow un-solid (and unsafe, given the strictly positive probability of a fire that is always present). Plus, immediately after arriving in Canada (my first encounter with N. America), I was struck by the fact that all houses I visited (I was looking for a room to rent in Victoria, BC, Canada, and visited quite a few houses in my first several days there) had a strong, pungent, "chemical" smell. First I thought it has to be some commonly used cleaning substance. Later I decided that it has to be some chemicals that the wood had been treated with, probably to repel wood-eating insects or to prevent the wood from decaying. Interestingly, after having lived there for months I stopped feeling the smell -- but going back to my homeland for a vacation and then back to Canada, I would be struck by the peculiar smell again.

    I realise wooden houses are cheaper and faster to build, but, IMHO, they are a poor substitute for brick-and-concrete ones.

    1. Re:Wooden houses by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with what you're saying.

      I think housing in Europe is built to last longer, to withstand more. Most likely that's why they are more expensive and slower to build.

      I was quite suprised to hear the talk about profit margins and labor costs in relation to nails for this reason. Yeah, construction is supposed to progress, but in our family business we never had to worry about using nails vs. screws to save time. I guess the general viewpoint and demand here is rather to be slower, but make it last.

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    2. Re:Wooden houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup but masonry house can really fall apart during serious earthquakes-even if well constructed...

    3. Re:Wooden houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My house here in the states is made out of wood. The foundation is poured concrete. The house is about 85 years old, and shows no sign of decay or failure.

      Even brick houses here are often wood, with a brick veneer - the brick is not structural, but instead it is a style.

      In the big cities you'll often find masonry buildings, particularly in the northeast, such as Philadelphia, Boston, and New York.

    4. Re:Wooden houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always wondered about it too. Every hurricane documentary shows destroyed wooden houses and families rebuilding them. Dont they get tired rebuilding a house every second year?
        Maybe it has something to do with the fact that hurricanes occur in warmer parts of the county and they didnt historically need brick houses for warmth? So they are just not used to building them now when hurricanes are allegedly becoming more powerful?

    5. Re:Wooden houses by mschuyler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's do a test. (We may actually be able to do this with historical data.) Take the average European city with houses made of stones, bricks, etc. Take a similar US/Canadian city with houses made of wood. Apply a 7.9 Richter scale quake. Measure resulting destruction. Would you rather be in a 17th century English brick house on the historical register with no changes allowed? Or in a modern American wood house building-code compliant? Would you rather have a tile roof in such a situation? or maybe composition?

      FYI Re: Building code compliance. I've just participated in building a few houses. The new codes are really putting the screws to earthquake construction, literally. The new braces required between foundation and joists are really incredible. Zillions of nails in each brace and every hole must be filled. Contractors amy not want to do it, but they MUST use the new techniques or they don't pass inspection. The codes are evolutionary, but hey do keep getting tougher.

      FYI: Wood houses. Seattle, for example, is only 150 years old. Tere are still lots of forests here, lots of wood. Great Britain, for example, ran out of oak to build the Royal Navy ships, so one of the admirals under Lord Nelson planted a bunch of oak trees on his property in hopes there would be enough oak for the Royal Navy to build ships in 1900.

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    6. Re:Wooden houses by Mspangler · · Score: 1

      Brick and concrete are good ways to build a house, and are widely used in the South, where termites are a problem. However, they are comparitively expensive, especially when you are surrounded by forest, as in the Northern parts of the United States. And brick and concrete are dangerous in earthquake country. Nor do they do well in the cold and wet. Freeze-thaw cycles break them up rapidly. I have the chimney to prove it, to my unhappiness.

      They are not a panacea.

    7. Re:Wooden houses by repvik · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "As a European, I was very surprised to find out that most houses in Canada and the States are made of woode. Actually, I should have noticed that before, having seen numerous American films. It is so obvious in them the houses are wooden once you pay attention. To me, a house is something made of concrete and bricks."

      As an European, *I* was very surprised to find out that houses in e.g. Ireland was mainly concrete and bricks. To me, a house is something made of wood. I'm from Scandinavia though, where we've build with wood since the dawn of time. Here, the extreme temperatures require wood, since it's far better to insulate than concrete/bricks. It also "lives" and breathes. In the houses/buildings I've stayed in over a longer period of time, I've noticed that the air inside concrete/brick buildings isn't by far as good as that in wood.

    8. Re:Wooden houses by squizzar · · Score: 1

      There are a good few wooden houses in England, they are often a few hundred years old though... all those posh barn conversions you see tend to be mainly wooden. A lot of the houses in historic villages are wood framed as well. The house I'm in was built a few years ago, and is wood framed (but has a brick exterior which may not actually be structural). The difference between it and my parents house, which is definitely made of bricks and mortar is that if someone slams a door here, or plays some loud music, every wall in the house vibrates. You can hear conversations in the next room easily. To me it doesn't feel as solid, which I don't like.

      However my grandparents old house, which is a centuries old farmhouse is mostly wood framed (again with some brick exterior), which creaks and moans, and has some fairly uneven floors upstairs where things have moved over the years feels perfectly solid to me. Mind you, to last as long as it has I suppose it has to be. I don't think there are any 1.5'x2' oak main beams in my current house. I concur with the comments that houses are being built on the cheap, there are loads of little details in the current place which suggest it was rushed, and mistakes which do not seem to reflect centuries of experience in house building.

    9. Re:Wooden houses by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Well, Europe's been around longer, and they've got fewer trees to work with.

      The poorly-constructed buildings are gone after a generation or two, while the well-made ones last virtually forever, as is the case in much of Europe. After awhile, you're left with a ton of very old, very solidly-made buildings. Think of it as architectural darwinism.

      Also, wood is cheap, and people these days generally don't plan 75-100 years into the future.

      I've noticed that in recent years, even steel and concrete construction is being done poorly. Pity.

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    10. Re:Wooden houses by alunharford · · Score: 0

      I'd rather be in the house that's still standing after 400 years.

    11. Re:Wooden houses by ductonius · · Score: 1
      A house made of wood feels somehow un-solid (and unsafe, given the strictly positive probability of a fire that is always present).

      Remember that English castle that burned a while back? It was brick and mortar but the parts where the fire couldnt be controlled burnt right down to the outside masonry.

      The walls of the houses you visited were probably all covered by sheetrock, which is basically cement and soap bubbles sandwiched between heavy paper. Sheetrock doesn't burn, so any wall covered in it acts as a firebreak, containing fire for some time. If a fire gets big enough to burn *through* sheetrock it's basically as uncontrollable as ye olde English castle fire was.

      The only difference between wood and masonry then is that a wood framed house will burn to the ground instead of just down to the supporting masonry (which will be severely fire damaged anyway).

      Plus, immediately after arriving in Canada (my first encounter with N. America), I was struck by the fact that all houses I visited (I was looking for a room to rent in Victoria, BC, Canada, and visited quite a few houses in my first several days there) had a strong, pungent, "chemical" smell. First I thought it has to be some commonly used cleaning substance. Later I decided that it has to be some chemicals that the wood had been treated with, probably to repel wood-eating insects or to prevent the wood from decaying.

      Most wood isn't treated. Treating costs money. Wood used for framing is normally cut, sorted, dried, planed, bundled and sold. Treated wood is only used when it will *absolutely* be in contact with moisture.

      The chemical smell was probably just a common cleaner.
    12. Re:Wooden houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Most wood isn't treated. Treating costs money.

      Also, it's not legal or code to use treated wood for interior construction. Treated wood is for outside things like decks and gazebos.

    13. Re:Wooden houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there is a stronger tradition of lease hold rather than ownership in Europe.
      Longer ago, tenant farmers, crofters and cottage tenants.
      This would translate to more robust housing as ownership stayed with the landowner rather than the tenant and so be a source of income over time.

    14. Re:Wooden houses by joto · · Score: 1

      As a european, I'm very surprised to find out that another european doesn't think wood is a great building material. Obviously building techniques differ with climate. I've noticed that some africans believe walls are overrated, and that a roof is sufficient. In Norway we obviously don't agree with that. Wood is a better insulator than stone, and that's the end of story as far as we are concerned. Of course, wood has other advantages too, it's easier to manufacture into suitable building materials (all you need is a saw), it's easier to transport, and it pretty much grows everywhere. The main disadvantage is that it needs some maintenance if the house is supposed to outlast it's current owner. In the old days, they used tar, today we use paint.

      Stone, on the other hand, is a poor insulator. It's more difficult to work with, you can't simply use a saw (or axe). It's heavier to carry, and it gets damaged by water in subzero temperatures. Also, building walls of stone is easy, but building roofs require special engineering techniques (look at e.g. the Sistine Chapel).

      And most importantly, if you loose a glass of beer on a stone floor it's going to break, but on a wooden floor, there's a high probability the glass survives. In either case, the beer is lost, but if you have a wooden floor, at least you can now put some more beer into the glass.

    15. Re:Wooden houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a New Zealander who lived in Europe for two years, yes there is a great contrast. (New Zealand homes are also almost all wood framed.)

      But I would not care to live in a European house in an earthquake zone. Fortunately much of Europe is not at high risk, but for instance I recall some very destructive quakes have occurred in Italy.

      From the fire point of view, the wood is actually better than it would at first appear. Most fatalities in fires are actually from the smoke and fumes from the furnishings, which are present and just as flammable in concrete or masonry construction. While the wooden structure will of course burn, it actually stands the fire quite well, and has a higher rating than a steel frame. By the time the wood structure collapses, the inhabitants are either well clear or long dead from smoke inhalation.

    16. Re:Wooden houses by RobinH · · Score: 1

      I live in Canada in a wood framed (brick clad) new home. The frame, of course, is packed with insulation, which is a rather important feature in Canada during the winter. If you build a home out of concrete, you are then going to add another 6 inches of insulation on the inside, correct? One would hope anyway. Unless you live in some old 14th century stone castle without any insulation I suppose.

      Of course, if I lived in a hurricane or earthquake prone zone, I would be interested in making sure that the building would stand up to such an event, or I'd be interested in moving because I know the insurance won't cover it. But where I live, the typical natural disaster is an ice storm where we lose power for a few days/weeks at worst and I'm really not worried about the house being blown over. The construction is just fine. But a person who builds their house in BC, California, Florida or Louisiana, well, if you're crazy enough to think it's safe there, you probably don't care what your house is made of.

      Now, everyone seems to think if you build a deck you should use screws to fasten it because the heads on the nails will back out. If this new nail can prevent that, I'm all for using it. The same with floors. Screwing in a fastener takes way longer than using a nail gun.

      Also, wood is not a bad construction material when it's used right. There are century old homes around here that are all wood framed and the frames are still in good shape. Of course, if you don't maintain the exterior of your house right and you let water get in, or your foundation shifts or cracks, then you're going to have a problem with the frame. Maintenance is very important.

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    17. Re:Wooden houses by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I'd rather be in the house that's still standing 400 years after I was standing in it ;).

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    18. Re:Wooden houses by vtcodger · · Score: 1
      Fair comments -- however -- you should make allowances for the fact that major earthquakes are frequent on the West Coast of North America. In general, wood frame buildings stand up pretty well to being violently shaken whereas masonry buildings don't. Building codes in places like California discourage the use of masonry. e.g. California largely quit building brick school buildings after a number of schools were severely damaged in the 1933 Long Beach earthquake.

      Please don't think that I'm trying to justify the flimsy construction of much of North America's housing stock. I'm not. But there are places where well designed wood frame constuction is probably more appropriate than brick/stone and mortar.

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    19. Re:Wooden houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were in Victoria BC the smell was probably all the pot.

    20. Re:Wooden houses by maxume · · Score: 1

      Thar be trees here; well, more of them anyway, it cracks me up to buy European lumber at teh Home Depot(not framing stuff though).

      Most lumber isn't treated with anything, especially in northern climes, the weather takes care of 95% of insect problems. You might be smelling construction adhesive of some sort, which is increasingly popular, and for a while, new houses were being built 'tight', but without adequate ventilation. New construction usually included outside air exchange, so that is less of a problem. There is a small chance that the air in Canada was simply cleaner and you thought you were smelling something...

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    21. Re:Wooden houses by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Would you rather be in a 17th century English brick house on the historical register with no changes allowed? Or in a modern American wood house building-code compliant?

      False dilemma. I can't believe this post was modded up.

    22. Re:Wooden houses by juhaz · · Score: 1

      Just tells you don't know all that much about the rest of Europe.

      And - if none of them has felt solid - that you've never visited a well made and maintained wood house. Maybe they just don't know how to build on the other side of the pond.

  28. Can't be pulled out? by dbolger · · Score: 1

    'Meanwhile,' Sutt says, 'we were focusing on how to keep the nail from pulling out.

    Maybe I'm alone among Slashdotters, but if anybody here had ever seen my attempts at D.I.Y, they'd understand why I prefer to have a nail that I can remove and use again after I mess up fixing a chair :)

  29. Herman Miller Lamp by udderly · · Score: 1

    Sweet Jesus! How many people that you know would spend $525 for a desk lamp? Maybe I can apply for a government grant or something.

  30. And you are missing another point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quality need time. News at 11h. Sure with a nailgun you can make 100's of nail an hour. And build an house within a few day. AND get it destroyed by an hurricane in a few minute.
    Which bring me to an off topic point : Every time I visited the US I was deeply surprise that in place where there are hurricane or tropical storm the house are built in such a flimsy way with wood or prefab. Here around i can tell you this is a worst brick and parpaing, at best massive stone. In a zone of big earthquake I can understand "wobly" design, they stand better the vibration of the ground. But I certainly do not understand the advantage of a wobly design in hurricane zone.So unless an engineer come forward and explain why, this looks downright cheap and stupid, and NO NAIL in the world will help.

    Use Stone. use brick. Forget prefab forget wood.

    1. Re:And you are missing another point by thogard · · Score: 1

      The biggest hurricane area is Florida and there is the problem that there is no stone or clay to use. The best they have is concrete block and most houses used to be built of that upto the walls. They have nasty insulation properties so if you build a house out of concrete brick, you have to then build another wall inside so you can get some insulation properties. Its also real hard to build a roof out of stone or concrete in a way that its heavy bits don't go flying when they do get ripped off.

  31. A better limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other words you want the government to set an artificial limit (much like copyright and patents) so you can feel all warm and fuzzy with some new toy.

    1. Re:A better limit by udderly · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you aware that local governments already set construction standards? Or do you think that companies should just be able to build whatever, whenever and however, without regard for safety? Have you never heard of Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (please, I know that it was an apocryphal story)?

    2. Re:A better limit by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1
      Are you aware that local governments already set construction standards? Or do you think that companies should just be able to build whatever, whenever and however, without regard for safety? Have you never heard of Mrs. O'Leary's Cow [wikipedia.org] (please, I know that it was an apocryphal story)?


      And nails have an adverse effect on housing safety... how?

      Think of the nail manufacturers people! If the government legislate mandatory screwing of houses it is unfair competition! Zomg! No free market!
    3. Re:A better limit by LittleBigLui · · Score: 1
      Think of the nail manufacturers people!


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  32. Re:Yes, but will it counter substandard constructi by voidptr · · Score: 4, Informative
    Sheathing isn't supposed to be the main factor in structural stability, it's there for insulation.


    One of the primary purposes of sheathing is to brace the wall against sheer forces. A square plate and stud wall has no strength against sheer forces unless it's braced diagonally corner to corner. Plywood sheathing properly attached acts as that diagonal brace. Otherwise the top and bottom plates are free to slide parallel to each other and turn the wall into a parallelogram.
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  33. Sounds like good news for the GOP by confield · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can just picture it now... President Bush delivering a speech in New Orleans to the flood victims proclaiming his administration successfully found a solution to the problem thanks to good old fashioned American ingenuity. Of course, during this time military aircraft will do overhead drops of "Freedom Hammers" and "Salvation Nails". Pound it in the name of freedom, baby.

    1. Re:Sounds like good news for the GOP by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      "Freedom Hammers"

      RTFA -- one of the other things that won an award is the "FUBAR," a hammer that's been redesigned for destruction because builders don't actually use hammers to drive nails anymore.

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    2. Re:Sounds like good news for the GOP by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1
      Of course, during this time military aircraft will do overhead drops of "Freedom Hammers" and "Salvation Nails".
      "Salvation Nails"? I've already seen those, I think... or maybe those were just plain old "Crucifixion Nails".

      Maybe if they'd used these new "Salvation Nails" instead of old-fashioned "Crucifixion Nails", Jesus would have stayed dead, and we could have avoided this whole mess of the imminent coming of the Messiah and the End Times.
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  34. Nails still much faster. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even a screw gun / power driver with self-tapping screws takes a lot longer to drive each fastener, than a pneumatic nail gun. I don't think there's any way that you can drive a threaded fastener with anywhere near the speed that you can drive in a nail. In the time a person can drive in a screw, you can put in a handful of nails.

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    1. Re:Nails still much faster. by marol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If paying the hours of Joe the nail driving roof guy is a major cost factor when building a house, the house is probably too cheap and won't stand a hurricane anyway. Joe can probably use fewer screws further apart and still get a better result than this alleged super-nail at roughly the same price, only increasing costs of wages.

    2. Re:Nails still much faster. by MykeAbner · · Score: 1

      That's a nice opinion. Do you have any facts or information to go with it? If not, it doesn't really matter what you probably think might be the case.

    3. Re:Nails still much faster. by marol · · Score: 1

      No, that's just common sense. You get what you pay for, and if doubling or tripling the wages for laying the roof affects the total costs of building your house in a major way, there's something seriously wrong. If you don't realize that, you're free to check up the 'facts' yourself, I'm not about to do comparative construction cost analysis on a sunday evening.

    4. Re:Nails still much faster. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The real problem is that stick-building houses is fundamentally stupid. It's slow and labor-intensive, and both of those aspects contribute to a lower-quality end product (building slow is bad because the structure is exposed to the weather -- water-saturated plywood, for example, is a Bad Thing). A much better idea, which oddly enough was in Popular Science (or was it Mechanics?) last month or so, was about factory-building "modules" (e.g., complete walls with preinstalled wiring and plumbing) in a standardized fashion (the article called it "open source building") that could be installed in a day or two by only a few people.

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    5. Re:Nails still much faster. by abradsn · · Score: 4, Informative

      I knew that someone would bring this point up.

      It seems to make sense right?

      Unfortunately, the fact is that manufactured/modular homes are of the worst quality made almsot entirely by people who are not carpenters.

      I should group tract homes into this category too, but I don't want to waste a lot of time on slashdot explaining why.

      Basically, there are two kinds of buildings. Those built by idiots/ built for profit, and those buildings that are built custom to live in or to be directly used by the person paying for the construction. Guess which building type turns out to be of higher quality almost every time.

      Though, let me not miss the point. I do agree with the main part of your post. Building stick frame homes is slow, and perhaps stupid. I'm just pointing out that it is the quality of construction that matters more than anything. Building with Logs, bricks, cement, glass, steele can be great, or it can be dumb too. It might depend on the climate. Sometimes, ice is a great resource for building material. Context is important.

      By the way, you might want to check out metal buildings. They can be built quickly, and by a couple of people. Same thing with cement buildings. Same thing with simple rectangular stick frame buildings.

    6. Re:Nails still much faster. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My new neighbor just put in a "modular" house. The underground basement was constructed of concrete poured walls and the upper floor of the house was prefab. The basement construction took about two weeks but the upper floor was completely installed including wiring and plumbing in less then one week. That floor was attached to the basement/foundation the same as any stick house would be attached. The strangest part is the carpet was put in before non load bearing walls, big huge pieces of carpet for the entire floor and the walls are put in over the carpet. Come to think of it, I don't think there was any internal load bearing walls but I did not look into the attic or basement to verify.

      I happen to live in an area that is booming. Obviously the local builders can still undercut the prefab guys (cheap and/or illegal labor I assume) or they would not be doing stick homes. They do cut corners but I assume in such large quantity for these developments, the stick building is essentially a prefab but a prefab that is done in place instead of a factory somewhere.

    7. Re:Nails still much faster. by joto · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If paying the hours of Joe the nail driving roof guy is a major cost factor when building a house, the house is probably too cheap and won't stand a hurricane anyway. Joe can probably use fewer screws further apart and still get a better result than this alleged super-nail at roughly the same price, only increasing costs of wages.

      According to TFA the cost of nails in a new house is $50-$60. The additional cost if you decide to use HurriQuake, is $15. You can argue all you want, but with a minimum wage salary of $5.15 pr hour, which should cost you as a consumer at least $10 pr hour, I think I would prefer Joe to use HurryQuake, rather than screws. Using screws for an entire house is going to take a lot more time than just one hour. And Joe probably isn't working for minimum wage either.

      Oh, and apart from the cost of labour (and the land lot), a house isn't that expensive. The wood and stones you need can mostly be found for free somewhere out in nature. From these you can manufacture things like cement, bricks, stone wool, wood studs, planks, etc... The great thing about the industrialized world, is that through new inventions we are able to reduce the amount of manual labour in getting things done. Time is money. Even if you worked your entire lifetime, you probably wouldn't be able to build a modern house from stuff you found in the nature. Yet, most people can afford one easily.

    8. Re:Nails still much faster. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Nails, faster?

      Pneumatic-powered air-ratchet. Set torque, add screwdriver bit adapter.

      I just blew thru a box of screws faster than you could pick up a nail, a hammer, position it, tap-tap-tap it int the wood, with elss chance of bending a nail or screwing it up.

      I spend lots of time making subwoofer boxes - nails? No-way, Jose. Too time-consuming.

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    9. Re:Nails still much faster. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice comparison. Let's see you match speed with my nail gun.

      There are screw guns though. But these fancy nails look like they would cost less than screws and still fit in a standard nail gun.

    10. Re:Nails still much faster. by glockNine · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? Have you been around a construction site in the past 10+ years? Pneumatic air nailers are used almost exclusively , which are easily five times faster than a screw gun. The nails come in clips that can be loaded 50 at a time. Paslode even makes nailers that don't need an an air hose.

    11. Re:Nails still much faster. by DarthBart · · Score: 1

      If you want to see houses that fly up in a very short time, yet are built damn sturdy, check the Ft Myers/Cape Coral area of Florida. The house I lived in there took 3 months to build, but survived the 130+ MPH winds of Hurricane Charley and didn't even lose a single roof tile.

      Check for "Concrete, Brick, Stucco" constructions.

    12. Re:Nails still much faster. by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      Dont forget spec homes.

      they vary in quality, but they are built for profit, without a buyer in mind.
      and i have seen many of these that are built with incredible quality. but those are by builders with good reputations to begin with.

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    13. Re:Nails still much faster. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      And I have seen spec homes built until the builder ran out of money, then the home, just before the vapor barrier stage, sat for two years before being finished. I would hate to be the unsuspecting buyer of that POS. Every piece of wood (all the floors, roof, and wall studs) was warped. Get everything to fit together well enough, toss on some sheetrock and carpet, and no one will be able to tell. Give it a year to dry out and settle again, and that'll be a creaky new house with lots of rotten wood at the core.

      Of course, I've seen some that were ok, too. But I'd rather build it myself (understanding that the costs are always higer than promised) than step into new construction of unknown quality. Unknown means poor for almost everything I've seen.

    14. Re:Nails still much faster. by Fizzl · · Score: 1

      Here in finland we call this a russian screwdriver ;)

    15. Re:Nails still much faster. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      You cant drive a screw firmly into your knee accidentally with a screw gun, (yes I can install 3 " screws as fast as your nail gun) you can do it before you know it with a nail gun. Screw guns are vastly safer.

      regular bostitch nails with the glue coating are incredibly strong. just try and pull a few out you messed up on. it takes a crapload of strenth to pull them. far more than this "hurrinail" that is identical to many masonry nails I have seen. a chemical bond the entire length works far better than a few "barb rings" on the bottom 2/3rds.

      hell simply making the nail thicker will solve many problems.

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    16. Re:Nails still much faster. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I don't think there's any way that you can drive a threaded fastener with anywhere near the speed that you can drive in a nail. In the time a person can drive in a screw, you can put in a handful of nails.

      sheer speed of inserting fasteners? yes. Accurately nailing a sheet of plywood or boards together? nope. screw guns right now are as fast as a nail gun when used for accuracy. Most people want things done accurately. and a big nail gun will kick your arse hard after a few hundred nails. a screw gun doesn't have the incredible kick that wreaks hell on your shoulder.

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    17. Re:Nails still much faster. by xsbellx · · Score: 1

      That's funny. Here in Canada, we call that the American screwdriver.

      Just remember, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail ;)

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    18. Re:Nails still much faster. by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am serious, and yes, I've worked construction many times over the years. My last construction job was putting up a load-bearing wall to repair the west wall of a warehouse. Most pneumatic nail guns put the nail too far in and do lots of damage, screws hold better, don't back out, and you can control just how deep it goes. That's a bit harder to do with a nailgun. I'll also place my bets on a screw lasting out much longer than any nail against sheer forces like impacts, weight settling, etc.

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    19. Re:Nails still much faster. by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      Incredible kick? What the heck are you talking about exactly? I helped the guys frame a new upstairs for my home just a few weeks ago and there's ZERO kick to a nail gun. A palm nailer probably has more kick than a framer and I watched oen of the guys nail brackets with that thing for two hours straight no problems. I've used a framer on several jobs now and finally broke down and bought my own along with a brad driver and finish nailer, no issues using any of it and no "kick" I've noticed.

      If a nailgun has such a kick what of the torsional stress imparted by a screw gun? No way is that going to be zero.

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  35. Great! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Funny

    So instead of your roofing blowing off, now your whole house blows away!

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    1. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      perfect for that trip to Oz

    2. Re:Great! by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 4, Informative

      I haven't seen too many concrete slabs or foundations blow away. Sill bolts are usually 1/2" or 5/8" tempered steel and a properly designed... or rather, a properly *built* house will have sufficient numbers of bolts to distribute the weight evenly and prevent pull out. And as the article states: Home owners will love the innovation and the marginal increase in cost but builders will hate it; not only because removing a nail will be ridiculously difficult, but also because homes that don't fall down don't have to be re-built. If you make your money building homes and you build homes that last forever, then you will eventually become obsolete. The trend since the 1950's has been to build homes using progressively cheaper materials with progressively shorter lifespans. It's called 'progress' because the cost of building homes decreases (subject to market pressures) and more and more people can 'afford' to live in the suburbs. In reality, this trend simply fosters a cycle of increasing consumer debt, both because you now need a car to drive the extra distance to work every day, and because your home is in a constant state of degradation and needs to be maintained. Add to that the idea of 'keeping up with the Joneses': that you have to have a car and home that are as nice or nicer than your neighbours' instead of living both within your means and within practicality and you have a culture that is ripe for widespread debt and economic stagnation. Or worse, you get stagflation where the economy stagnates but prices continue to increase, now your loaf of bread costs a dollar fifty instead of a dollar but you still have the same income so you've got to trim 50 cents from your budget somewhere else. It happened in the UK in the 60s and 70s and here in the US and Canada in the 70s and 80s and it'll happen again, sooner rather than later.

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    3. Re:Great! by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Insightful
      but builders will hate it; not only because removing a nail will be ridiculously difficult, but also because homes that don't fall down don't have to be re-built. If you make your money building homes and you build homes that last forever, then you will eventually become obsolete. The trend since the 1950's has been to build homes using progressively cheaper materials with progressively shorter lifespans.
      Bollocks. Typical ridiculous conspiracy theory nonsense. Builders do not engage in "planned obsolescence". They don't necessarily even plan to still be in the business by the time a "planned obsolescent" house would fall down, much less plan to be the guy re-building it. Ten years later, when the crappiest built house starts to show its age, how did the crappy builder ensure that he would be the one the current owner would call? Furthermore, have you ever met any general contractors? It's hard enough to get a house built, much less play puppetmaster with the rough carpenters' materials in such a Machiavellian way as to make the house fall down just in time for them to show up offering to help. No, the notion is entirely absurd. The reason builders use cheap materials is very simply the obvious one: cheaper materials cost them less, which maximizes their profit on a fixed bid job.
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    4. Re:Great! by Mal-2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This only addresses one particular vulnerability in houses, which is external stress. This may make a house last two or three hurricanes instead of one (presuming the absence of a massive flood), and there will still be lots of rebuilding as the roof tears off or the drywall has to be patched after a quake. It's obvious that builders cannot keep up if a region is totally flattened, why would they NOT welcome this? Not to mention the mold that follows a flood or hurricane generates plenty of business without disrupting the community so much. If the entire city is trashed, your rebuilding goes REALLY slowly because you can't get your supplies, or labor (everyone else is building too). If 30% of the city is uninhabitable, you hopefully still have a working city and plenty of work for everyone. If worse comes to worse, move to Las Vegas. Lots of construction, not many calamities.

      Earthquake insurers have begun in the last few years to factor in the increased cost of construction following a catastrophic earthquake. Typically they triple the labor and materials cost to account for the scarcity of both. I think they are being optimistic. Even so, this is the excuse they'll give for the rates doubling or tripling or worse in the last two years. Really it's that they mingle the disaster funds -- my earthquake premiums and your windstorm premiums pay into the same pool. Thus Katrina, with assists from Rita and Dennis (on the power play) just about drained the tank, and they need to fill it up, fast, since there is a reasonable chance things are only going to get worse.

      This also fails to address the "biological clock" that governs most house lifespans -- termites. That is killing the 30-40 year old wood-frame buildings in this area at least. There are 100+ year old wood frame houses left in Los Angeles county, but they have all seen extensive work over their lives. If it's not the wood, it's the plumbing, earthquake retrofitting, insulation, quite possibly replacement of flammable roofing that will limit the practical (read: economically viable) life of a plain vanilla house. Somehow they all have conspired to fall apart at roughly the same time or at an ever-accelerating rate, much like an old car. You can theoretically keep your car running forever, so long as you can get the parts and do it (or pay someone to do it for you), but at some point it becomes economically unviable to drive that '57 Chevy to work, 50 miles a day. You end up taking it around the block once a week and driving a car that just doesn't cost you so much to maintain.

      The analogy breaks down since more people can afford two cars than two houses, and a house not used still can get blown over, catch fire, get flooded, etc., but it's all I can think of right now.

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    5. Re:Great! by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      builders will hate it; not only because removing a nail will be ridiculously difficult, but also because homes that don't fall down don't have to be re-built. If you make your money building homes and you build homes that last forever, then you will eventually become obsolete. The trend since the 1950's has been to build homes using progressively cheaper materials with progressively shorter lifespans.

      I keep hearing this theory being batted around - but nowhere have I ever seen (or even heard of) stretches of houses from the 60's or 70's falling down, or even requiring significant increased amounts of maintenance.
    6. Re:Great! by sunwukong · · Score: 1

      Here in the GVRD (Greater Vancouver Regional District) the issue is not so much that the builders are planning on picking up the repair work from their previously crappy designs/construction, but that they plan on *not* being around when the inevitable leaks, failures and so on occur.

      The inspectors and builders I know tell me this has been the response to the hot housing market here, i.e., the unscrupulous exploiting the desparate/ignorant/naive. The worst examples seem to have occurred within the last decade ...

    7. Re:Great! by strider44 · · Score: 1

      and having pictures of houses that have survived a cyclone or earthquake in your office isn't a bad advertisement...

    8. Re:Great! by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      From what I see on the News, documentaries etc it appears that most Americans still live in wooden houses ( or if they live in a Tornado/Hurricane zone they opt for trailers ). I know they do also build proper brick and concrete houses in the major cities ( e.g New York ) so why don't they all build proper brick houses and not have them knocked down by every minor tornado which blows through ?

    9. Re:Great! by pthisis · · Score: 1

      A typical wood house will stand for well over 100 years (we have several in my home town--Brunswick, ME--that are well over 250 years old). It will also be cheaper to build and require much less maintenance than a brick or concrete house. Historically they've also been more efficient to heat/cool and easier to wire, and the building process is less environmentally damaging unless you use old-growth hardwood (which is expensive and uncommon). They're also much less susceptible to environmental damage from repeated freezing/thawing.

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    10. Re:Great! by Detritus · · Score: 1

      I don't want to be in a "proper brick house" when an earthquake hits. It isn't just a problem for the West Coast. The New Madrid fault will probably cause catastrophic damage in the East, the next time it ruptures.

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    11. Re:Great! by paanta · · Score: 1
      We don't build new houses to replace houses that are being torn down. Cheap houses last a long time, too. In fact, there are _tons_ of houses in my city that were built of relatively cheap materials, using department store plans, back in the early 1900's.

      We build new houses because:
      A) we have more people
      B) people are leaving cities
      C) people are moving to the south and west
      D) average household size is decreasing

      If you look at the abandoned houses in my neck of the woods (southeast michigan) you'll see that a huge number of them are high quality homes from the early 1900's...not the 'cheap' houses from the 50's.

    12. Re:Great! by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wood might look old-school, but it's a really excellent building material.

      It's got a lot of strength for the weight. It's inexpensive. There are multiple ways of fastening pieces of wood together. It has good strength in compression, good strength in tension, and good bending strength. It can be worked with ordinary tools. It can be worked by hand. Running it through a saw produces relatively harmless sawdust, unlike concrete which requires a more substantial filter to remove lung-damaging silica particles. It requires no special skills to work with. It grows on trees. Defects such as knots and grain irregularities have only a minimal impact on strength. It is flexible, making it robust in winds and earthquakes.

      One of the major reasons houses are blown apart by the wind is the failure of the garage door. When that door gets blown in, air can enter and pressurize the garage, which can blow the walls out or the roof off. Of course, houses can fail in other ways in a heavy wind, but often the first point of failure isn't even made of wood.

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    13. Re:Great! by Builder · · Score: 1

      Ten years later, when the crappiest built house starts to show its age, how did the crappy builder ensure that he would be the one the current owner would call?

      10 years? Ye gods you're an optimist!

    14. Re:Great! by tbuskey · · Score: 1
      And as the article states: Home owners will love the innovation and the marginal increase in cost but builders will hate it; not only because removing a nail will be ridiculously difficult, but also because homes that don't fall down don't have to be re-built. If you make your money building homes and you build homes that last forever, then you will eventually become obsolete.

      As the son of a mechanical/HVAC contractor and son-in-law of a masonary/general contractor who has worked some contruction, I can't see your point.

      • Time is money. If you can do it faster then the other guy, you get the bid.
      • Material costs are a small fraction. Labor is the big cost.
      • Skilled labor is hard to find. If I can give a laborer a device that lets him work faster and have the same quality, I will.
      • Rework costs me lots of $$$. I want it right the 1st time. Some contractors avoid it by declaring bankruptcy as soon as the housing development/big project is finished so they can avoid this, even if they get sued.
      • General Contractors look at reputations. If that plumber does a crappy job, he doesn't get the next job. If that guy does good work then he gets the next job, sometimes w/o a bid. But he'll have to bid some jobs to "prove" he's not too much $$$.
      • A subcontractor that does a bad job costs the GC $$$.
      • Once a job is done, it's done. Future renovations/repairs are a new project. A crapy past job will keep me off future projects.
      • People always want renovations. Sometimes it's cheaper to tear the building down. Stronger materials won't make a bit of difference.
      • You're going to work with these people again. Sure, Xyz Corp isn't going to build another corporate headquarters, but that GC is going to build one for someone else. With that architect. And developer. Abc Corp likes Xyz's building so they'll find me. And maybe Xyz needs a branch office.

      As for removing nails, you've gotta be kidding me. They're using nail guns. One doesn't quite get the spot, you drive another one in next to it. And maybe a few more. Someone using a nail gun will probably use 4-6 times the number of nails and that'll make it stronger.

    15. Re:Great! by Carnildo · · Score: 1
      I know they do also build proper brick and concrete houses in the major cities ( e.g New York ) so why don't they all build proper brick houses and not have them knocked down by every minor tornado which blows through ?


      God no. Brick construction has no tensile strength and no shear strength. If a tornado went through a line of brick houses, all you'd have left is a mound of bricks to dig through in the hopes that you'd find a survivor. Wood can be fastened together. Concrete slabs can be fastened together. But brick? Have you ever wondered why relatively minor earthquakes in the Near East tend to produce tens of thousands of casualties?
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  36. I'll be cynical about this by Catmeat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The average contractor's response won't be "Great, I'll be buildinding something twice as strong". It will be "Great, I can use half the number of nails."

    So the buildings will still fall down when a hurricane hits.

  37. Earthquake brick by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

    So we aren't considering using the earthquake brick?

  38. Re:Yes, but will it counter substandard constructi by w3woody · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If a house is built to substandard specifications it's because the building inspectors in your municipality aren't doing their job. The standard job of a building inspector is to verify at each state of construction that the house is built properly and to specification; if the house is not built to spec, the building inspector has the power to demand that the house be torn down and rebuilt.

    My parents are in the construction industry and I've seen a few times where building inspectors demanded a foundation be torn up and repoured, house framing demolished and rebuilt, and siding reapplied to a house so that it meets code.

    Now in many areas of the country houses are not built to current code. But note the key word here: current. The Unform Building Code is regularly updated every two years or so, so it is possible a house built ten years ago isn't up to today's code--after five revisions to the code, eventually something is going to be considered "substandard" today that was up to code before. My house, for example, does not meet current code; today's building code in the Glendale area requires that all residental structures have an automatic sprinkler system in the house to meet today's code. But because my house was last remodeled in the 70's, there were no requirements then to install an automatic sprinkler system.

  39. Re:Yes, but will it counter substandard constructi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I agree. While I think this nail is a decent idea. I think the simple fact of the "$15 more per house" means that contractors would use even LESS nails than they do now, and shrug it off with the "well, they're even better than the old nails so I can use less, save more time, make more profit".

    This is a problem that won't go away until building inspectors start doing their job, so that contractors realize they have to do theirs.

  40. Who needs an improved nail OR screw? by Slugster · · Score: 1

    The common particleboard housing materials in broad use today (in the USA) are decreasing rapidly in quality to the point that they'll soon need to be glued anyway.

    I think a far more important question here is why are we (at least in the US) building houses much the same as we did 300 years ago?
    Why bother with cutting a tree up into little pieces, and then paying some people to nail the pieces back together in the shape of a house.

    There have been a number of more-efficient means to build houses found in the last 50 years alone--blown foam domes are probably the ultimate in simplicity, but there are lots of various prefab methods,,, -but oddly enough, most places (at least in the US) have housing codes banning them.
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  41. The fire problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The thing that burns in a house fire is the contents. It doesn't really matter if the house is fireproof or not, the contents will burn just as well. If the occupants aren't prepared, they will die just as well in a fireproof house. In urban areas, most house fires don't result in irreperable damage to the structure.

    Most municipalities have laws that require smoke detectors in every dwelling. It is also standard to require construction that prevents a burning house from igniting its neighbor. The result is that death by housefire is far behind death by traffic accident. http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html

    As far as being permanent, wooden structures last forever, as long as they are kept dry. Check out the thousand year old timber churches in Scandanavia.

    The odor problem comes about because we permit all kinds of nasty things in our building materials and consumer products. Carpets and particle board are major offenders. Maybe what you're smelling is formaldyhide.

    1. Re:The fire problem by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      As far as being permanent, wooden structures last forever, as long as they are kept dry. Check out the thousand year old timber churches in Scandanavia.

      Even in the US, it's not that difficult in the East and South to find wood homes a century old, and with a little difficulty ones even older.
  42. The Name - by RoffleTheWaffle · · Score: 1

    Okay, I know the pitch they're going for here is a nature-resistant nail that can withstand powerful storms and regular tremors... But I hope I'm not the first person who thought of a certain nail-gun from a certain game when I heard the name of this product.

    Hurriquake nails - nails for real gamers.

  43. Re:Wooden houses and chemical odors by Secrity · · Score: 1

    There are many possible sources of odor in a new house, treated lumber should not be one of them. The lumber used in framing houses is not normally treated, lumber on decks and some other outside parts of a house are treated to prevent insect damage and rot. Chemical adhesives are used in making plywood and particle board, both of which are common in new houses. Adhesive is also used in the construction of houses. One major item in new houses that contribute to the odor is the carpet. Many interior finishes have an odor, especially vinyl wallcovering. Window blinds and fabrics also have odors.

  44. Well by malkir · · Score: 1

    Fancy name or not, a nail is still a nail, I doubt 150mph winds launching cars and trees at your house are going to let up by a little piece of metal.

    1. Re:Well by ICA · · Score: 1

      You're right. We're screwed, nothing we can do about natural disasters. We should just give up.

      In fact, I'm so afraid of something bad happening to my house I just sleep out on my front lawn...

    2. Re:Well by joto · · Score: 1

      In that case, go ahead, remove all the nails from your current house, and see if it survives a slight summer breeze.

    3. Re:Well by BigAssRat · · Score: 0

      Well, gee, it kind of goes like this. Maybe one ant can't pick apart an animal carcass, but thousands of ants can. One nail, doesn't do much, but multiply that nail x 3000 and let's see.

  45. Patent pending? by lifebouy · · Score: 1

    I saw a pic on that site showing a twist in a nail with "patent pending" on it. Come on. I mean, really? You're really going to try and patent a twist in a nail? Hell, ANY and I mean ANY blacksmith could show you where he did the same thing just for fun. I so very much call prior art and loser company.

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  46. 1899 and 1981 called... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've already got VisiCalc, why would I need Excel 2007?

    Sure VC is simple, no frills, but it gets the job done, and you can't reinvent anything better than the first time. I don't know how all you programmers keep your jobs, all the good software is already written.

    "Everything that can be invented has been invented."
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  47. gadget? by rabiddeity · · Score: 1

    Best gadget? A gadget is something you buy one of. I'd say a nail is more of a staple commodity.

    *ducks*

  48. You're wrong on your timescale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wood screws have only been used in construction for the last 500 years, prior to that the screwdriver simply didn't exist. Cite 'One Good Turn' http://www.amazon.com/One-Good-Turn-History-Screwd river/dp/0684867303

  49. The nail may rock, but not the name by M0b1u5 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What idiot dreamed up the name "HurriQuake"? That is amazingly poor.

    How about something builders won't feel like a homosexual saying out loud? The less syllables the better.

    Permafix
    NailBolt
    PermaNail
    Relianail
    SureNail
    Safe-T-nail
    SaferNail
    SafeNails
    PosiNail
    FirmaNail
    StrongNail
    XtraNail
    XtremeNails
    TuffNail
    OMG WTF LMAO BBQ nail
    Schwarzenail
    Nailinator
    Securinail
    SecuraNail
    PermaFix
    PermaHold
    EQnail
    S-Nails
    T-Nails

    There are lots more too.

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    1. Re:The nail may rock, but not the name by identity0 · · Score: 1

      If you're going to target macho, non-homosexual building contractors, how about names like:

      AssPounder
      WoodFucker
      BoyNailer
      Goatse-izer
      Penetrator
      Nailin'Man
      DeepThroater
      DickSticker

  50. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  51. That old nail by gastro · · Score: 1

    These don't look entirely different from the nails I just used to attach my decking to the deck joists (at least as far as the ribbing and flat head is concerned). I'm sure these nails really are stronger, but it seems to be a fairly small evolution in nail design.

  52. What about the roofs by grahamsz · · Score: 1

    I'm from Scotland and moved to the US.

    Most british construction from the last 30 years is timber-framed with the bricks added afterwards. I believe the bricks provide some support, but the main weight of the roof is supported by the frame.

    The biggest difference that I see in construction is in the roofing materials. My house in colorado has composite shingles that have virtually no weight to them. You can reroof a house easily in a day. My parents house has clay tiles and many houses in britain use slate - this results in the roof literally weighing tonnes and i'd imagine dictates a much stronger house design.

    I'm not really sure which is better, but i feel a heavier house should be stronger.

    I don't really see wood house construction as a major longetivity issue. If the house is well maintained then it'll easily last a few hundred years. I realize that a stone house will probably last longer, but I wont live long enough to reap the benifits. I have however lived long enough to realize that retrofitting Cat-5 into a building with stone internal walls is a pain in the ass.

  53. Absurd! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously, you are not an engineer.... I am and have been for over 20 years, and I can tell you that the sheathing absolutely *is* the major shear force structural component of a house. Shear forces are what the house has to resist in the wind. The shear wall carries the force from the top plare to the floor diaphram. Without the shear wall component, a house falls over in the wind -- the walls parallel to the wind rack over with the studs falling down like dominos, and the walls perpendicluar to the wind blow over flat.

    If you want insulation, you use insulation, not playwood... half-inch playwood is R 0.5 whils several flavors of half-inch foam panels can give you R 3.5 to R 6.0. and are half the price of plywood. And if you use insulation panels over the studs instead of plywood (foolish) you still have to use plywood on the corners (the cornere experience twice the load of the walls in wind). On any structure wider than 35 feet, you need another sheer wall down the center (i.e. you cover a bathrrom or bedrrom inner wall with 1/2" plywood, and then put sheetrock on top of that).

    If you want a strong house, it is actually simple... use glue. Glue all sheathing to the studs and rafters. Block all semas in the sheathing and glue them too. Nail off to code spacing, and hit each nail site once with a hammer to drive the sheathing down tight to make a good glue bond. Make sure they apply glue properly, and don't dirty it up, or scrape it off when placing the panels.

    Glued properly, the nails then serve as clamps to hold members together until the glue sets and the glue carries more load than the nails. I'd rather have a hosue glued and nailed, than screwed and no glue. I participated in a Clemson team that studied Andrew damage and the major recommendation other than simply enforcing code, was glue and shearwalls.

  54. Screws aren't always better by sheldon · · Score: 1

    It depends on the application. Screws are more brittle and the heads can shear off.

  55. Possible patent ramifications? by Delita · · Score: 1

    Tires that don't deflate after a puncture, nails that improve the structural integrity of a house, dish soap that actually moisturizes your hands. These are the marks of real progress, either in safety or comfort.

    I wonder though... supposing this does get it's patent awarded (which I believe to be quite deserving), what would happen if building codes were made to be so strict as to require a nail of a performance level only the HQ1 and HQ2 could provide. Considering pizza and beer is more expensive than using these, cost really isn't a reason to deny such a change. Imagine if every county along the gulf coast made this buiilding code change; you would have legislated monopoly. Odd then, that it would be for the betterment of all (except competing companies, of course.).

    I'm not sure how I would feel if some kind of revolutionary breakthrough in some field or another made a patened safety device that was legislated into a building requirement nationally, thus patenting other companies out of business in that particular product segment. After all, you're only requiring a certain minimum level of safety. It just so happens that a certain company holds the patent on that safety.

    1. Re:Possible patent ramifications? by GnuDiff · · Score: 1

      > I'm not sure how I would feel if some kind of revolutionary breakthrough in some field or another made a patened safety device that was legislated into a building requirement nationally, thus patenting other companies out of business in that particular product segment. After all, you're only requiring a certain minimum level of safety. It just so happens that a certain company holds the patent on that safety.

      How about lightning rods?

  56. Patents? by trawg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm interested to hear what the Slashdot crowd has to say about them patenting this. Six years is a long time to spend researching something. I'm sure they dumped a truck of money into it. (Without reading the article,) I'm guessing that it's probably relatively reverse engineer a nail and knock it off in a Chinese factory.

    1. Re:Patents? by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      This is definately a unique idea that took real design.
      it should be patented. not too many people on slashdot are totally against patents.

      But if this was software, someone would have just patented the regular nail and claimed it to be new.

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    2. Re:Patents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      definitely

    3. Re:Patents? by tmittz · · Score: 1

      It's really easy to reverse engineer a nail. The thing is that having a patent also prohibits the importation of infringing products. This is difficult to enforce in things like software and other media that can be transported over the internet, but you're going to have a hard time importing a million Chinese nails without someone noticing.

  57. Wooden tents, you mean. by AJWM · · Score: 1

    Most so-called houses in North America are more like wooden tents. There's the frame, and then some fairly thin covering (it hasn't been plywood in decades) that helps hold the frame together and keep the wind and moisture out (mostly). Sounds like a tent to me. You could cut a hole in the wall -- even an exterior wall -- with a good knife.

    The chemical smell you noted may have been from the glue used to hold the pieces of wood together in the particle board used these days. Most new construction isn't designed to last any longer than the first mortgage.

    (As a kid I lived in part of Toronto where they were tearing down old houses (circa 70 or so years old) to clear the way for construction of the Bloor St subway line. Good solid double-thickness brick with slate roofs -- with lathe and plaster on the interior walls. The wiring was downright scary, though -- cloth insulated wires slung on ceramic insulators nailed to the studs. Grounding? We don' need no steenking grounding!)

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  58. Wierd, I was thinking of a nail design today by geekoid · · Score: 1

    One whar the end of the nail, just before angling to a poin, should be a little wider then the part by the head. Reason being wood swells and that would 'locl' the nail in.

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  59. Re:What should I do? by HeroreV · · Score: 0

    It's only gay if the balls are touching.

  60. Nailed your mama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >What have you invented lately?

    Nothing.
    But I nailed your momma twice last night and then screwed your wife.

    Hey, if youre gonna be a dick and use cheap meaningless barbs, might as well go all the way.

  61. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screws can be better in tension than nails of similar cross section, but they are inferior in shear. Plus, the installation and purchase costs of screws are higher than nails such that it might be cheaper to use more nails.

  62. Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  63. It's a great idea, let's see if it holds up. by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    2006 was a merciful one. Not a single Hurricane hit the east coast.
    Living in Miami, I can see the need for good nails. The problem is, dade county has a building code which requires concrete block construction.
    you don't need nails for cb construction. Those certainly don't look like roofing nails either.

    Instead of building a better nail, which isn't a bad thing, try to lobby the gulf coast to adopt building codes like Miami/Dade County has.

    That's the only thing that is going to help.

    the second little pig built his house out of wood. And it got blown away.

    the third little pig lived in Miami.

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  64. Wooot. The whole US is earthquake endangered ? by aepervius · · Score: 1

    I thougth it was only a few fault here and there, and here you come and say the whole continent (particulary the north east) inclusive canada is full of fault and earthquake richter 7.9. Funny that.

    Even then this is not a good argument for wood construction because a wooden house built with no respect of earthquake safety will fall down exactly like a brick house no respecting earthquake code (OTOH material price and material availibility is a good argument for wooden house).

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  65. I wonder by malkir · · Score: 1

    What kind of nails the Korean Homes of the Future use?

  66. Re:Wooden houses for efficiency by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Wood is a versatile substance that meets several needs simultaneously.

    As Dave Barry pointed out, wood is the only known construction material which both rots *and* burns.

  67. Nice to hear from a mature industry by tbruce · · Score: 1

    Here's what we WON'T see in the wake of this invention:

    -- Nailed-together case mods.
    -- Trade press articles about whether or not Microsoft/Google can withstand the competitive onslaught of this new nailing technology.
    -- Trade press articles about whether or not Microsoft/Google is going to buy the manufacturer of this new nailing technology.
    -- Trade press articles about whether or not Microsoft/Google is going to buy the inventor of this new nailing technology.
    -- Any product called the "iPod HurriQuake".
    -- A Sharper Image catalog in which every third item is a so-called "HurriQuake accessory", and is a stuffed animal that lights up.
    -- An HCSE ("Hurriquake Certified Structural Engineer") program, in which Bostitch tries to scare every construction company in the country into paying a zillion dollars so their carpenters can be "certified".
    -- The National Association of Realtors running a national "HurriQuake Inside" TV ad campaign (sound sting: four hammer blows, different pitches)
    -- A mad scramble on the part of hammer manufacturers to market their products as "HurriQuake compatible".
    -- Any TV spots that begin with a 3/4-body two-shot of two guys saying, respectively, "I'm a HurriQuake" and "I'm a screw" (costuming left to the imagination).
    -- Any youthful you're-such-a-rebel, pushing-the-bounds-of-taste YouTube offerings involving HurriQuakes, Roman centurion costumes, and Mel Gibson.
    -- Any book entitled "Head Rush HurriQuake"
    -- Any book entitled "Enterprise Fastening Strategies"
    -- Any book entitled "Nailing down the HurriQuake" with a Victorian engraving of a hammerhead shark on the cover.
    -- Walter What's-His-Butt from the Wall Street Journal bellyaching that nails are still too hard to drive and how he hits his fingers all the time and how unrealistic it is for the construction industry to expect people to live in houses if they can't come up with a nail that's easier to use.

    Outside the tech sector the noise levels are lower, I'm tellin' ya.

  68. Prior art by maxume · · Score: 1
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  69. Building Materials by photontaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find the whole mostly-European "the best building material is stone or concrete" idea pretty funny. So far, I've owned two houses, both wood, and both old (the previous one was built in 1937, the one I currently live in was built in 1917). Both houses will last at least a hundred more years. Of course, it is true that if they were built of stone, they might last another 1000 years. It's hard to say, but regardless they're permanent structures. I have a feeling that this is much more about the types of home you grew up in rather than what the "best" building material actually is.

    The other thing is that stone and brick are definitely not fireproof. You still need beams to support the floors and those are usually wood. Here in Baltimore there are a ton of brick row houses and they occasionally have terrible fires. A small fire starts inside and burns the furniture/floors/books/whatever and that ends up catching the beams on fire and you end up with an empty brick shell. Of course, since they're row houses, the fire ends up spreading through the brick walls to the neighboring houses and you lose 3 or 4 homes at once. Even though they're made of brick. Fire is a problem for everyone.

  70. Aminated Keyboard??? by DigitalReverend · · Score: 1

    Too bad a spell checker wasn't on the list of innovations.

    http://www.popsci.com/popsci/flat/bown/2006/produc t_35.html

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  71. Quality wood construction by demi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wood is a great building material, or a poor one. As someone else pointed out, it satisfies many demands simultaneously. Market forces (cost and home type), environment (earthquakes, severe weather and other factors not existing in the UK, for example) and personal taste (ease of retrofit, etc.) all contribute to building material choice.

    One of the factors that's interesting is that the quality of wood used in construction differs quite a lot from the long-lasting timbers in the old wood-frame houses. I owned an over-hundred-year-old house which had lasted through two of our age's most severe earthquakes, with aplomb. In a termite-endemic area the naturally pest-resistant, tight-grained old-growth redwood timbers and planking (it had solid heartwood plank sheathing, not OSB or plywood) had no damage (the "modern" addition, built with current farmed-fir 2x4s, was not so fortunate). I have no doubt that, properly maintained, the house will last another hundred years or more (possibly with more than one generation of modern-construction additions).

    But that wood construction is not typical of current practice. By today's standards (it was built to no code but the good judgment of the original builder) it would be horribly material-hungry and overengineered. The pace of building in the U.S. demands cheaper materials and techniques--in fact, to do otherwise would be a criminal waste of limited natural resources; as to why low-quality timber is being used instead of more poured concrete--I bet it has much to do with consumer demand and tradition (that is, what contractors are used to working with and homeowners are used to buying) and little to do with actual economics.

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  72. Nail Guns by Spaceman40 · · Score: 1
    [Nail guns] might not be able to handle the oversize head on those nails.
    FTA:
    "With the first prototypes," Sutt says, "we proved that a bigger head has substantial advantages in terms of stopping the nail from pulling through the sheathing. But it couldn't be too big, because it needed to fit into popular nail guns."
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  73. Brick ain't so hot either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Santa Cruz during the Loma Prieta quake, virtually all the buildings that collapsed WERE brick buildings! Granted, these were 100 year old brick buildings built on alluvial silt which liquifies during an earthquake, but for the most part wooden structures flex and thus can withstand earthquake better. Of course, for any material, a good foundation set on a gravel base is key.

  74. What about a glue? by Spaceman40 · · Score: 1

    At the point you're talking about, you might as well use a "nanotape" to stick two pieces of wood together, instead of a nail. If you're going to go future-tech, you might as well go all the way.

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    1. Re:What about a glue? by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      What is the mechanics of the material that holds two surfaces together? I've got more room in my toolbox for these tiny gadgets.

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  75. Correct by homer_ca · · Score: 1

    Brick houses or "unreinforced masonry" performs pretty badly in earthquakes. After the Northridge quake, every brick wall and every brick chimney in the area was trashed while the wood frame houses did fine. Wood frame apartments do suck because you can practically hear your neighbors like they were talking in the same room, but it beats dying in an earthquake.

  76. Re:Yes, but will it counter substandard constructi by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    Bah, yes your correct that a function of particle board is supposed to be sheer force. A good builder lets in cross brace into the studs it's a few dollars of material but it's a bit more time. It's not required by code as code is at best made by comity including build builders.

    I grew up in the building trade (did enough hard work to get me into computers :) and code is substandard to anything I would want my house built to. The big builders are spending there money chasing higher sales prices by installing things people will pay more for like jacuzzi baths and big kitchens and I cant blame them. It's the average consumer in America that does not care about there house as long as there home owners policy covers it.

    When I get to building a house my preference is the Amish to build the frame old fashion post and beam is near indestructible, now I don't want them fitting out my kitchen or my heating systems but the frame and exterior they know how to do and among the last with the skills to do so.

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  77. video editing in Linux by anomaly · · Score: 1

    I moved to Linux in 1994 as my primary desktop and server OS. About three years ago I decided that I wanted to produce some video content. Video editing was theoretically possible in Linux - I hooked up my camcorder to my Linux box and did some editing, but the tools were primitive and cofiguration was unusually difficult.

    Eventually I looked at OS X and iLife. I decided to jump to a Mac. What a great move!

    I found that Linux made it possible to do some things, but OS X made it simple to do them.

    Fast forward a few years. I now have a few macs at home - their licensing policy makes it affordable to have several machines and a five user license for the OS and tools. My family loves the power and usability of the Mac.

    Recently my linux server at home began acting a bit flaky. I did some analysis and determined that hardware replacement was needed. After checking prices for CPU/motherboard/RAM (and potentially hard disk) I figured out that I'd need a few hundred bucks to replace the CentOS box with a new one. After thinking about whether to drop a few hundred bucks or not on this server, it occurred to me that I might be able to move all of the services hosted on linux to OS X.

    I found that samba,
      hotwayd,
      dansguardian,
      uw-imapd,
      fetchmail,
      procmail,
      spamassassin,
        rsync,
      rsnapshot,
      apache2,
      MySQL4,
      PHP,
      perl,
      java, and
      squid were all available for OS X.

    Most of these are "in the box" with OS X. The only ones that I need to compile from source are uw-imapd and squid! Of course I need the bundled developer tools to get a compiler, and the Apple/BSD startup mechanism and the netinfo wierdness require some tweaks - but since when did Linux *not* require any tweaking?

    What this means to me is that after more than a decade of running Linux at home (and work) I am *this* close to shutting down Linux for good at home.

    Hope your experience is similar.

    Regards,
    Anomaly

    PS - I share your recent comments about the loss of a pet. :(

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