Bah! Propaganda is not about either of those, either!
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Whether we won a chess tournament shouldn't contribute to that; I admire chess as a game or sport, but it is hardly an indicator of the intellectual capacity of a nation.
what you and your american grandparent (post) are failing to understand, entirely, is that this is a conversation about propaganda, and ways in which fischer was used as a propagandist tool, in that era.
in such a realm, none of the bold, assertive, we-are-the-best american 'facts' you and your brethren spout forth, have -any- bearing whatsoever. propaganda is not a 'truth' realm, its not about whats real.
it amazes me today that americans -still- know nothing about propaganda, and fail to accomodate it continually in their dialectic views of anything that might be 'anti-american'.
whether or not america 'is the best' at anything, at the time of the fischer (propaganda) project, the fact is: general, popular culture, in realms all over the world, had a pretty dim view of american 'thuggery' and whether the holy american system really was any better than communism/socialism.
fischer was not just about soviet-era 'games' (which we all know americans will always, always win, at), it was also about softening peoples upset over such things as vietnam, korea, etc... remember kids: the cold war was certainly not just between the soviets and the capitalists.
propaganda. learn it, or suffer under its ever-dominant rule, its a religion holier even than The American Way...
whatever. there are versions of 'less' which don't do this annoying behaviour. just because you're installing the wrong one doesn't mean you have a right to complain about it!
Why do they need to catchup? I very rarely turn my systems off, they're sleeping in low-power mode pretty much most of the time, and everything is available to me whenever I need it.
This "Not-An-OS" hack/trick of Toshiba is a way to get away Windows' (The OS) horrific boot-loading/suspend/power-management stability issue.
In OSX, no such problem exists: the system is stable, and manages its power in such a way that it need not interfere with instant-on operation.
Haven't gotten through the article yet, but does this concept of modularized linux distro's include the notion of doing it across any kernel-supported arch?
I once created and maintained a database with over 40,000,000 records in it, on DOS-based 486 hardware, and it ran just fine. Long enough for the company using the database to make 5 years worth of record profits in their business (Insurance reconveyance...)
Okay, we'd spool batch jobs for the evening, and do a lot of the roll-through processing at off-use time periods, but nevertheless... it still stands today as a testament to what you can do with hardware when you finely tune your application to what you've got.
Why is it okay for there to be organizations and corporations that push/promote Television, but individuals standing up and saying "Stranger, Turn Off Your Television!" isn't acceptable?
If you really want to identify the source of the intellectual and ethical decline of our civilization, I'd suggest looking at the schools.
Yup. I agree with you. Schools are where it starts...
What a knee-jerk assumption to make. You made it only to have a 'defeating argument', I bet.
Its quite possible to learn the science of propaganda, without succumbing to its affects... so many people think they know enough about it, but it is pretty clear that they don't. Very few 'public opinions' were 'publically formed'.
"END PROPAGANDA NOW!"
- that'd make a nice T-shirt...
so all the worlds problems are to do with people being allowed to watch as much TV as they like
No. All the worlds problems stem from one mans desire to have absolutely no responsibility for any other.
The irony you say this as you spout of rubbish spoon fed to you by the bush admistration and other puritan organisations.
Umm, I have never belonged to a puritan organization, nor do I take anything that the Bush administration has to say about anything with anything more than a large dose of derision and ridicule...
What the hell is 'busybodyism'? Is it what happens when someone watches TV? No. That is one deadbodyness condition, in my opinion.
Look, of -course- its your right to watch TV if you want to. But I think its naive to ignore the nefarious nature of a TV-watching nation, particularly in this day and age, where it is *CLEAR* that Americans are watching far, far, far too much television, and not doing nearly enough thinking for themselves...
Why are you so resistant to people 'evangelizing'? (Though, I would hardly call your righteous assumption that I'm "evangelizing" an appropriate use of the word...)
Its nice that you're a different person. Of course we're different.
How is it, though, that you can't see how watching TV makes us all the same?
We've had this ability since the birth of computers, we just keep coming up with 'whiz-bang' junk that prevents us from maintaining it, as a feature, across consequent generations of computer technology.
seems like the further we get from the 80's, the more we forget about just how productive things truly were back then... thank you Microsoft, for de-composing computer tech...
sure, why not. just like, if i decide that i want to end my life, who are you to stop me from finding the biggest tower and jumping off, right?
same thing. television is a destructive force. just because its a slow, 'socially acceptable' one doesn't mean its something i shouldn't complain about whenever i get the opportunity, like now for instance.
as for a 'hard-working populace' "relaxing", sure. we all need time for ourselves after a long, hard day.
what better time to be brainwashed by an electronic mind control device than after you've done a hard days work, though eh, and are the most susceptible to its powers of suggestion?
Edgy, but pure bullshit. Tell that to the all of the film-makers who got their inspiration from the first television show they saw as children.
So you're saying that bullshit is inspirational? So True!
Since when does the government have the right to tell you what is or is not appropriate? What, are you not capable of making that decision on your own?
On the one hand, you don't want to have any responsibility, whatsoever, for what your neighbor does. But on the other hand, you don't want government to have any of that responsibility, either?
Society is only as good as its members. If a society lets its membership run amok then it becomes an amok society. If that society lets its member decay into lazy fatigue, it becomes a lazy, fatigued society.
Government is there to maintain a standard of society which represents what the majority of the members of that society want. Sure, the world wants Non-Offensive Television? Why else would there be an FCC?
My point, though, is that there is a fairly sizeable portion of the population for whom Television, and "TV culture" is a dispicable out of control cult, which needs to be reigned in...
Decadence? What is decadent about censorship?
It doesn't produce anything, it only decays something.
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Bah! Propaganda is not about either of those, either!
Whether we won a chess tournament shouldn't contribute to that; I admire chess as a game or sport, but it is hardly an indicator of the intellectual capacity of a nation.
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what you and your american grandparent (post) are failing to understand, entirely, is that this is a conversation about propaganda, and ways in which fischer was used as a propagandist tool, in that era.
in such a realm, none of the bold, assertive, we-are-the-best american 'facts' you and your brethren spout forth, have -any- bearing whatsoever. propaganda is not a 'truth' realm, its not about whats real.
it amazes me today that americans -still- know nothing about propaganda, and fail to accomodate it continually in their dialectic views of anything that might be 'anti-american'.
whether or not america 'is the best' at anything, at the time of the fischer (propaganda) project, the fact is: general, popular culture, in realms all over the world, had a pretty dim view of american 'thuggery' and whether the holy american system really was any better than communism/socialism.
fischer was not just about soviet-era 'games' (which we all know americans will always, always win, at), it was also about softening peoples upset over such things as vietnam, korea, etc... remember kids: the cold war was certainly not just between the soviets and the capitalists.
propaganda. learn it, or suffer under its ever-dominant rule, its a religion holier even than The American Way
... what if we get to Mars, find microbes, look into the microscope, and they all look like this!
whatever. there are versions of 'less' which don't do this annoying behaviour. just because you're installing the wrong one doesn't mean you have a right to complain about it!
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or, it does, or something
Doesn't the thought of an intelligent swarm of nearly indestructible particles scare people?
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nope. what do you think human beings are? seen from a larger scale, we are the nanobots.
of course, that assumes we had a maker
Its open source, dude. You're completely and utterly missing the point.
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If you don't like the behaviour, simply compile yourself a new binary. Sheesh. Not like thats actually hard, you know
Why do they need to catchup? I very rarely turn my systems off, they're sleeping in low-power mode pretty much most of the time, and everything is available to me whenever I need it.
This "Not-An-OS" hack/trick of Toshiba is a way to get away Windows' (The OS) horrific boot-loading/suspend/power-management stability issue.
In OSX, no such problem exists: the system is stable, and manages its power in such a way that it need not interfere with instant-on operation.
This is an interesting dis-info exercise. People think "OS = Microsoft".
It is "not booting -the- OS", no. Its not booting "Windows OS".
There -is- an OS being loaded, just that its only going to support Toshiba's Apps... and nobody elses.
Haven't gotten through the article yet, but does this concept of modularized linux distro's include the notion of doing it across any kernel-supported arch?
I once created and maintained a database with over 40,000,000 records in it, on DOS-based 486 hardware, and it ran just fine. Long enough for the company using the database to make 5 years worth of record profits in their business (Insurance reconveyance...)
Okay, we'd spool batch jobs for the evening, and do a lot of the roll-through processing at off-use time periods, but nevertheless... it still stands today as a testament to what you can do with hardware when you finely tune your application to what you've got.
I just wget
Umm. "Watching TV" is doing something. Thats been my point all along.
You've got your morals, I've got mine. Looks like you got yours from a TV show.
Fine. I'm a 'troll'. But how is this:
Don't try and tell others what they should or should not watch.
any different from telling people "don't tell people what not to do?"
You compare something as frivolous as TV to the situation in Iraq?
Umm. Yeah, about that situation in Iraq? Whose media empire allowed that to happen, exactly?
No, it's what happens when people concern themselves with strangers' TV-watching habits.
... anyone in this list then...
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So
Why is it okay for there to be organizations and corporations that push/promote Television, but individuals standing up and saying "Stranger, Turn Off Your Television!" isn't acceptable?
If you really want to identify the source of the intellectual and ethical decline of our civilization, I'd suggest looking at the schools.
Yup. I agree with you. Schools are where it starts
What a knee-jerk assumption to make. You made it only to have a 'defeating argument', I bet.
Its quite possible to learn the science of propaganda, without succumbing to its affects... so many people think they know enough about it, but it is pretty clear that they don't. Very few 'public opinions' were 'publically formed'.
"END PROPAGANDA NOW!"
- that'd make a nice T-shirt...
"Busy bodies"?
Thats a nice word. Because I care for people whose lives are being wasted away by a vicious Mind-Control Cult called Television, I'm a busy body?
I think I shall ask my Iraqi friends to consider using that phrase the next time they have a U.S. Marine going through their junk...
so all the worlds problems are to do with people being allowed to watch as much TV as they like
No. All the worlds problems stem from one mans desire to have absolutely no responsibility for any other.
The irony you say this as you spout of rubbish spoon fed to you by the bush admistration and other puritan organisations.
Umm, I have never belonged to a puritan organization, nor do I take anything that the Bush administration has to say about anything with anything more than a large dose of derision and ridicule...
Nice hostile assumptions though. Proves something.
What the hell is 'busybodyism'? Is it what happens when someone watches TV? No. That is one deadbodyness condition, in my opinion.
Look, of -course- its your right to watch TV if you want to. But I think its naive to ignore the nefarious nature of a TV-watching nation, particularly in this day and age, where it is *CLEAR* that Americans are watching far, far, far too much television, and not doing nearly enough thinking for themselves...
Why are you so resistant to people 'evangelizing'? (Though, I would hardly call your righteous assumption that I'm "evangelizing" an appropriate use of the word ...)
Its nice that you're a different person. Of course we're different.
How is it, though, that you can't see how watching TV makes us all the same?
... comes around.
... thank you Microsoft, for de-composing computer tech ...
We've had this ability since the birth of computers, we just keep coming up with 'whiz-bang' junk that prevents us from maintaining it, as a feature, across consequent generations of computer technology.
seems like the further we get from the 80's, the more we forget about just how productive things truly were back then
sure, why not. just like, if i decide that i want to end my life, who are you to stop me from finding the biggest tower and jumping off, right?
same thing. television is a destructive force. just because its a slow, 'socially acceptable' one doesn't mean its something i shouldn't complain about whenever i get the opportunity, like now for instance.
as for a 'hard-working populace' "relaxing", sure. we all need time for ourselves after a long, hard day.
what better time to be brainwashed by an electronic mind control device than after you've done a hard days work, though eh, and are the most susceptible to its powers of suggestion?
there's this little thing we american have that we like to call "freedom".
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Television isn't freedom; television is industrialized mind control. Industrializing something doesn't free you from the effects of that thing
Edgy, but pure bullshit. Tell that to the all of the film-makers who got their inspiration from the first television show they saw as children.
So you're saying that bullshit is inspirational? So True!
Since when does the government have the right to tell you what is or is not appropriate? What, are you not capable of making that decision on your own?
On the one hand, you don't want to have any responsibility, whatsoever, for what your neighbor does. But on the other hand, you don't want government to have any of that responsibility, either?
Society is only as good as its members. If a society lets its membership run amok then it becomes an amok society. If that society lets its member decay into lazy fatigue, it becomes a lazy, fatigued society.
Government is there to maintain a standard of society which represents what the majority of the members of that society want. Sure, the world wants Non-Offensive Television? Why else would there be an FCC?
My point, though, is that there is a fairly sizeable portion of the population for whom Television, and "TV culture" is a dispicable out of control cult, which needs to be reigned in...
Decadence? What is decadent about censorship?
It doesn't produce anything, it only decays something.
There's crap and there's great stuff on TV. It is just a part of our contemporary culture. I don't see why you're making it into such a beast.
Because it has become such an ingrained feature of 'our' contemporary culture, duh. This is a fallacy.
Television is a mind-control industry. Why should standards for one mind-control industry not be applicable to any other?