"Yes madam, we are almost done, now to get a better measure, would you please lift your right leg a bit and touch your pus.. va.. crotch, yes, crotch, and spread your fingers like this yes, yes, exactly, yeesss, yeeeeeessssssssss!"
It was in Panther, but when I did a clean install with Tiger it was gone.
This is a Good Thing(TM), IE Mac was neat at the time (it was much more standard compliant than its Windows counterpart), but now it has grown dusty and is causing too much trouble with CSS and it's too much hassle to support anyway.
I'm 34 and I've been doing these things for years. In what teenage-only world do you live?
Many of the kids I know don't much any of these things either, they just sit at their PlayStation, XBox, you name it and mindlessly play games all day long...
You would rarely see a law office using a mac simply because it doesn't look professional that when you delete an icon off the dock it poofs away like a cloud.
Funny that you'd use law offices as an example. Actually there was an article circulating the web quite a while ago that said, Macs are used in about 22% of law offices in the US.
Yeah, but what's the rate of analphabets in China? See?
Also the writing system in China might be difficult in so far that you have to learn a lot of characters, but it's one system all "Kanji"--I wouldn't count it as complex as the Japanese, who might use far less Kanji, but they mix several writing systems and have all those readings for the same character, and they often mix them up (combining kun-reading with on-reading).
I just say, despite the pupils having to sacrifice a considerate amount of time for learning to read and write (much more than in roman alphabet based languages), they still have less analphabets than the US. And this means that they must be doing something right.
BTW I'm also fluent in Japanese speaking, reading and writing
At least they have less analphabets than the US (which doesn't mean much these days, but still) and that despite their writing system being one of the most complex in the world.
They're using 3 (or 4 if you count the roman alphabet) different writing systems combined at the same time. That is 1945 Chinese characters (Kanji), 46 Hiragana syllable Characters and 46 Katakana syllable characters (of course highly specialized texts go beyond the base 1945 Chinese characters). Furthermore almost each of the 1945 Chinese characters has at least two readings, some even more than twenty.
Well, but there'd be the difference that the Harry Potter books are stories about those kids, whereas in Japan they're dealing with the real life implementation.
Yes, you know In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
I personally do prefer NeoOffie/J over OpenOffice/X11, but I'll ditch it the second anything that behaves more like a real OS X application will be released.
0a. Somebody runs Mac OS X on commodity hardware and finds that none of his hardware, not even his "shared memory" shitty graphic card is supported, and the only way to communicate with OS X on that machine is by logging in remotely via ssh.
0b. Somebody reformats his harddisk on commodity hardware and weeps a lonesome tear.
I think we'll see 50% of Mac users owning an Intel-based machine before they stop shipping PowerPC machines in 2007.
Estimates say that the current installed base of Macs is about 25 to 30 million or so. According to your clairvoyance on the developement of the Mac market, at least 15 Million Intel Macs will have to be sold from 2006 to 2007 to get the Intel Macs to 50% (I say at least because it will have to be more. People who buy a new Mac usually don't throw away the old one, but rather pass them on to relatives, sell them on e-bay etc. Anyway the person who uses the old Mac still adds to the installed user base and is a potential client for software for this Mac).
15 Million Macs in one year? No way. In good quarters Apple have been selling a million, but why should they almost quadruple that suddenly, just because it's an intel CPU now?
As you say: as soon as possible. Since 99% of any potential buyers of Mac OS X software (= user base) will be on PPC for years to come, if you want to sell a product you WILL HAVE TO support PPC for years to come.
Otherwise you WONT FUCKING SELL ANY SOFTWARE in appreciable numbers.
Ever heard of NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP? Fat binaries that ran on Sparc, Intel, 68k and other architectures?
Ever knew that Mac OS X is a direct descendant of that OS?
Ever read about how universal binaries (that's the 21st century name for fat binaries) will make it possible to have one application that'll run on Mac OS X PPC and Intel?
And everyone who will programme for Intel Mac OS X will have to make a PPC version, simply because for years to come 99.99999% of the user base are still on PPC. If you're programming in a sane way, making universal binaries is not much more than another checkbox to click on when compiling apps (plus a weeny bit of tweaking).
So you really didn't understand a word in the whole discussion, did you?
This is bull. Apple have been reducing prices every time they came out with new models or often enough even with small revisions (at least that's true for their portables, I haven't been watching the other models much lately).
For example the 17" PowerBook is considerably cheaper now than the first model that came out (that I bought and don't regret).
Also the iBook is much cheaper than two or even one year ago.
I'd double that. I find those X11 apps awkward enough, and no, "just use a theme that looks like OS X" won't do. It's not about the looks (that's why I don't care about metal, aqua, unified window look they all behave the same way, so no loss there), it's about consistent shortcuts across applications, consisten menues accross applications consistent behaviour across applications and having cool stuff like OS X services, PDF creating from print dialogues etc.
Thinking of running Windows apps directly on my Mac sounds like the one thing I've always wanted to do........not. I have been using Macs to get away from that crap why should I suddenly want to run it now? Jeez.
Ah, I forgot, the day the Intel Macs come out, the whole user base of umpteen Million PPC Mac users and their Macs will get eaten by the gigantic space frog, so no one will make Software for PPC Macs anymore.
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But God was invented by humans. Does this count as even prior art? Are now in a time paradoxon?
"Yes madam, we are almost done, now to get a better measure, would you please lift your right leg a bit and touch your pus.. va.. crotch, yes, crotch, and spread your fingers like this yes, yes, exactly, yeesss, yeeeeeessssssssss!"
... now ... have your... data."
"Thank you.. we
It was in Panther, but when I did a clean install with Tiger it was gone.
This is a Good Thing(TM), IE Mac was neat at the time (it was much more standard compliant than its Windows counterpart), but now it has grown dusty and is causing too much trouble with CSS and it's too much hassle to support anyway.
I'm 34 and I've been doing these things for years. In what teenage-only world do you live?
Many of the kids I know don't much any of these things either, they just sit at their PlayStation, XBox, you name it and mindlessly play games all day long...
You would rarely see a law office using a mac simply because it doesn't look professional that when you delete an icon off the dock it poofs away like a cloud.
Funny that you'd use law offices as an example. Actually there was an article circulating the web quite a while ago that said, Macs are used in about 22% of law offices in the US.
Actually I happen to like Conversation more than Colloquy.
But you're right about the other points.
What else could look like such a huge steaming pile of sh*t?
Yeah, but what's the rate of analphabets in China? See?
Also the writing system in China might be difficult in so far that you have to learn a lot of characters, but it's one system all "Kanji"--I wouldn't count it as complex as the Japanese, who might use far less Kanji, but they mix several writing systems and have all those readings for the same character, and they often mix them up (combining kun-reading with on-reading).
I just say, despite the pupils having to sacrifice a considerate amount of time for learning to read and write (much more than in roman alphabet based languages), they still have less analphabets than the US. And this means that they must be doing something right.
BTW I'm also fluent in Japanese speaking, reading and writing
At least they have less analphabets than the US (which doesn't mean much these days, but still) and that despite their writing system being one of the most complex in the world.
They're using 3 (or 4 if you count the roman alphabet) different writing systems combined at the same time. That is 1945 Chinese characters (Kanji), 46 Hiragana syllable Characters and 46 Katakana syllable characters (of course highly specialized texts go beyond the base 1945 Chinese characters). Furthermore almost each of the 1945 Chinese characters has at least two readings, some even more than twenty.
Well, but there'd be the difference that the Harry Potter books are stories about those kids, whereas in Japan they're dealing with the real life implementation.
Well maybe the application is good enough, but if it runs, it cannot possibly run good enough.
I might run well enough, though.
Yes, you know In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
I personally do prefer NeoOffie/J over OpenOffice/X11, but I'll ditch it the second anything that behaves more like a real OS X application will be released.
0a. Somebody runs Mac OS X on commodity hardware and finds that none of his hardware, not even his "shared memory" shitty graphic card is supported, and the only way to communicate with OS X on that machine is by logging in remotely via ssh.
0b. Somebody reformats his harddisk on commodity hardware and weeps a lonesome tear.
Do you see the light? OS X fixes even that!
And Leopard (10.5) will actually be based on HURD and comes bundled with Duke Nukem Forever!
I think we'll see 50% of Mac users owning an Intel-based machine before they stop shipping PowerPC machines in 2007.
Estimates say that the current installed base of Macs is about 25 to 30 million or so. According to your clairvoyance on the developement of the Mac market, at least 15 Million Intel Macs will have to be sold from 2006 to 2007 to get the Intel Macs to 50% (I say at least because it will have to be more. People who buy a new Mac usually don't throw away the old one, but rather pass them on to relatives, sell them on e-bay etc. Anyway the person who uses the old Mac still adds to the installed user base and is a potential client for software for this Mac).
15 Million Macs in one year? No way. In good quarters Apple have been selling a million, but why should they almost quadruple that suddenly, just because it's an intel CPU now?
An MBA will always choose a market that is growing over one that is shrinking.
Not if the growing market is still 5% and the shrinking one 95%.
Otherwise everyone would support Firefox only because it's growing while IE's market share is shrinking.
See?
As you say: as soon as possible. Since 99% of any potential buyers of Mac OS X software (= user base) will be on PPC for years to come, if you want to sell a product you WILL HAVE TO support PPC for years to come.
Otherwise you WONT FUCKING SELL ANY SOFTWARE in appreciable numbers.
What's so difficult to understand about that?
Symantec? Hah!
They'll be the first eaten by the GSF! And don't forget you read it here first.
Ever heard of NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP? Fat binaries that ran on Sparc, Intel, 68k and other architectures?
Ever knew that Mac OS X is a direct descendant of that OS?
Ever read about how universal binaries (that's the 21st century name for fat binaries) will make it possible to have one application that'll run on Mac OS X PPC and Intel?
And everyone who will programme for Intel Mac OS X will have to make a PPC version, simply because for years to come 99.99999% of the user base are still on PPC. If you're programming in a sane way, making universal binaries is not much more than another checkbox to click on when compiling apps (plus a weeny bit of tweaking).
So you really didn't understand a word in the whole discussion, did you?
Oh my god, it is impressive how you managed to read so far down the threads and still haven't understood bugger all.
This is bull. Apple have been reducing prices every time they came out with new models or often enough even with small revisions (at least that's true for their portables, I haven't been watching the other models much lately).
For example the 17" PowerBook is considerably cheaper now than the first model that came out (that I bought and don't regret).
Also the iBook is much cheaper than two or even one year ago.
I'd double that. I find those X11 apps awkward enough, and no, "just use a theme that looks like OS X" won't do. It's not about the looks (that's why I don't care about metal, aqua, unified window look they all behave the same way, so no loss there), it's about consistent shortcuts across applications, consisten menues accross applications consistent behaviour across applications and having cool stuff like OS X services, PDF creating from print dialogues etc.
Thinking of running Windows apps directly on my Mac sounds like the one thing I've always wanted to do........not.
I have been using Macs to get away from that crap why should I suddenly want to run it now? Jeez.
Ah, I forgot, the day the Intel Macs come out, the whole user base of umpteen Million PPC Mac users and their Macs will get eaten by the gigantic space frog, so no one will make Software for PPC Macs anymore.
Thanks for reminding me, how could I forget that?
I'm pretty sure that at some point of time they were indeed fresh. It's all a question of definition. B-)
Linux doesn't 'win' when someone picks it over BSD
But the GPL and "freedom" does. At least this is what RMS and his disciples would tell you.