Adam Baloney sued GOD(TM), because when being born into this world he wasn't told that living is SO DANGEROUS it always ends in death. He is looking for repairs of about $4.95 and a MARS bar*
*(So he can make a living there selling beer to martians)
That's no solution. I don't know how far the colour correction system could even hook into Apples ColorSync etc. So you'd be editing images with the colours completely off. Also, there is a reason people use Photoshop on a Mac and not on Windows.
I'd rather wait for a new version than using a windows-ish version of Photoshop. The GUIs too fucked up for me to even consider bothering with it.
How would you like them to be compensated for their efforts?
Even with CS2 most professional designers I know don't inted to buy the upgrade. Why? Not enough incentive to do so. Guess what would be the compensation for Adobe for their efforts to come up with a UB version? How about finally having tons of people upgrade, because they finally get a real reason to do so.
Right now the only incentive to upgrade are shitty NEW FEATURES, of CS2 like improvements to a file browser no one wants and needs, or yet another bulk of filters (I got better ones and more in CoreImage dammit) and one-click-functions geared towards the technologically challenged to enhance pictures in a way a pro would not be satisfied with anyway. Yawn.
Exactly I've got an AlBook 17" 1.0GHz and I'm used to its speed. I think it's acceptable. Now I guess the new MacBook Pro will--even with Rosetta used for some apps--be a bit zippier, even with Photoshop running under Rosetta. Why? It's double the clockspeed PLUS a dual core. Even if Rosetta would run at 1/3 of native speed it would still be zippier than what I have now.
That's exactly what's wrong with Apple. the drastic changes. That's also what's wrong with Microsoft, unwilling to make changes. Legacy support makes life hard for msoft.
Now which way is it? You can't have it both ways. Apple is bad, because they make drastic changes, Microsoft is bad because they don't. WTF...
I think Apple is perfectly right to make drastic changes. It hurts, but changes always do and this benefits us and technology as a whole in the long rung. It sure beats building cruft over cruft and just bloating everything for so-called backwards compatibility that never really is.
I'd rather think that they took so long to get an OS X version out, because they had to rewrite a lot of their stuff in Cocoa and now it pays off. Kudos to them!
Adobe has no real financial incentive to do a rewrite of the current apps. From Adobe's point of view
Let's friggin hope Apple or another hardcore Cocoa developer is going to give them hell with a CoreImage enabled OS X only glory graphics editor. Now would be the best time to come up with something, because on Intel Macs Adobe's got nothing to counter them for another friggin year!
Well, when Final Cut Pro 1.0 came out it was merely looked at as a competitor to Premiere. A at best semi-pro application for video editing if even.
And before you could say "oops what the fuck" it had mostly taken but all users from media100, later on it started hurting Avid sales and with their HD solutions (and a G5), they actually are taking over the market for solutions wich usually have a pricing with a few digits more than any FCP + HD capture card (Digital Vodoo, Kona, BlackMagic etc.). Also all of a sudden with motion they're hurting AfterEffects sales as well (which is a good thing AE really is getting old, the GUI desperatly needs an overhaul).
So I could imagine that for now Pages is just another Word with frames on steroids. But then again, you never now what Apples is going to do if Adobe and Quark don't get the thumbs out of their asses with InDesign and QXP, well let the devil take the hindmost then.
That's why I'd shell out full-bloat-rip-me-off-and-sodomize-me just-as-adobe-does-prices for a full-blown Cocoa and Mac only Photoshop killer app. I REALLY WOULD!
It's such a shame that the TIFFany3 developers never did anything with that application. The GUI was fubar, with some work on that app it could have left Photoshop dead in the water, but then again, it's them we have to thank for QuartzExtreme and CoreImage, so maybe it was a good thing after all that they got bought out by Apple.
I wanted to reply in a serious and educated manner to your post, but your final comment just did it for me. Sorry.
>Millions of people buy their products every day. >No one is holding a gun to their head. >Obviously they did deliver. >Now you may wish the products were different but Gates >fundamentally believes that the way to tell of a product is what >consummers wants is by seeing if they buy it or not.
You say: millions buy it = it's a good product.
WRONG. It's a selling product for whatever reasons. As you know billions of flies eat shit. They can't be wrong! Can they! Shit obviously is delivering! Let's all eat shit!
Millions of people also thought that the Nazi regime in Germany was a good idea (at the time, and that includes many in the US and elsewhere in Europe as well) and millions now think Dubya is doing a great job and the war on Iraq has not only made this world a safer place (ROFLMAO), but it was a pretty good idea to start with. This just proves that people, in most cases, are sheep.
1) He moved hard into PCs early I doubt it was for visionary reasons, but because he could make a buck, due to the fact that some relative (I think it was his mom, but I'm not sure) had good connections to IBM, and he was quick enough to buy something for selling it to IBM.
2) He licensed freely and openly Initial bait. Later on he forced hardware vendors to install MS only or else...
3) He didn't use copy protection but rather went for a moral and legal attacks on piracy Initial bait. Now that we're all addicted to his drug, he's Mr. DRM himself.
4) He almost tried to be the cheapest software in his quality class, and started price wars as a core business technique In order to drive the competition out of business. As you can see, his software is ridiculously overpriced now that he completely rules the market on office software.
5) He aimed his products at non hobbiests and non professionals having a vision of "a computer on every desk". His vision of computer on every desk goes as far as him wanting MS tax on every head.
6) He was patient and allowed products time to mature. He was impatient and allowed not even beta quality software to get sold as finished product. None of his software is mature even by now. MS software has gone beyond maturing/ripening, it's now in a state of getting fat, foul and rotting.
>Early versions of most very succesful Microsoft products were terrible Well, actually it's not only the early versions, but that's another story. He and his company never ever once got their shit together to really deliver on their promises, and more often than not ended up buying other companies to write the code for them.
>>provide the same/nearly same function to the end user as a water company, FOSS does
Sorry, but I wasn't able to compile most of your software on OS X. Is that a feature or a bug then? No, I don't know how to programme, so could you please get me a free compiled NATIVE version of OpenOffice for OS X? What do you say, there's only a version that needs X11 and sucks a banana when you have to use Japanese (i.e. you can't input Japanese in X11 on OS X without a degree in rocke science?). Weeeellly, well, then it does neither provide same/nearly same function nor any frigging function at all to many, many people...
So, where's my GNotoshop? Ah, you mean GIMP? No way dude! Not for pros! And without proper colour profiles as well as proper support for spot colours and CMYK we're talking about "not even in the same league". What about Prepress? LaTex? ROFL. This even sounds like you have to be into S&M if you want to do layout with that software...
You all are so full of shit. How do you know Steve Jobs hasn't given large sums of money to the charities? Did you get secret information about his bank account?
So, Bill Gates makes a fuss about how charitable he is, so he is a good man, because he gives in a fashion that everyone can see and hear him doing so? I tell you what:
What a FUCKING EGOMANIC ASSHOLE, if he has to tell the world when he does some good. Maybe he needs to do, because him doing good ist such a fucking rare thing!
Neither you nor I do even have the faintest idea how much S. Jobs or anyone else is giving to charity. Just because they don't announce it publicly doesn't mean they don't give and certainly it doesn't make them worse people.
If this is going to be the intellectual level of discussion on slashdot, from now on, then my friends and neighbours it's all over.
Whatever. Microsoft is an oligopoly (for simplicity this is often referred to as being a monopoly, because most people can't spell "oligopoly"), still more or less the same rules apply as with a monopoly. What's your point?
I had my own domain name with.mac for a while. Netsol was my DNS and I had web forwarding set up with them, so it worked OK. Of course you can't use your own CMS, but that's completely the whole point. If you can and want to install and maintain your own CMS, you'r definitely not the target group for.Mac.
The whole point with.Mac is that you can make your own Web Photoalbum, Web Site, Blog whatever using iLife and the.Mac services with zero effort. For the rest of us, so to speak. I'm still using.Mac for the synching alone, though.
I think keeping your filesystem as a way of organizing things is still the way to go, and Spotlight for me makes it just a bit more convenient to find things I cannot remember the location of immediately, or if I have to look for something like "any image that shows a tree", there could be many images in all kinds of job folders.
Spotlight ist just a convenient way to find things, I don't think it makes a good replacement for staying organised.
Boots in 1 second, never breaks, looks like a piece of shit and makes sure you'll have hours of fun waiting for the games to load from the datasette (tape), while adjusting the tape head with a screwdriver.
Ah, yes there was the 1541 Foppy drive, but it cost about as much as the whole computer and it might be not vintage enough for C64 purists...
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Adam Baloney sued GOD(TM), because when being born into this world he wasn't told that living is SO DANGEROUS it always ends in death. He is looking for repairs of about $4.95 and a MARS bar*
*(So he can make a living there selling beer to martians)
Fuck X11 on OS X, it just doesn't cut it. I can't even input Japanese. So much for using the GIMP for anything here (I happen to live in Tokyo).
That's no solution. I don't know how far the colour correction system could even hook into Apples ColorSync etc. So you'd be editing images with the colours completely off. Also, there is a reason people use Photoshop on a Mac and not on Windows.
I'd rather wait for a new version than using a windows-ish version of Photoshop. The GUIs too fucked up for me to even consider bothering with it.
Dear G-funk,
We don't have $5000 laptops.
But we'd be delighted to charge you double on our top model to get to a price of just a little less than 5000$.
Sincerely,
Steve Jobs
CEO, Apple
P.S.:
Fuck Adobe.
Watch for PhotoShopMyAss Pro 1.0 coming out soon from Apple
How would you like them to be compensated for their efforts?
Even with CS2 most professional designers I know don't inted to buy the upgrade. Why? Not enough incentive to do so.
Guess what would be the compensation for Adobe for their efforts to come up with a UB version? How about finally having tons of people upgrade, because they finally get a real reason to do so.
Right now the only incentive to upgrade are shitty NEW FEATURES, of CS2 like improvements to a file browser no one wants and needs, or yet another bulk of filters (I got better ones and more in CoreImage dammit) and one-click-functions geared towards the technologically challenged to enhance pictures in a way a pro would not be satisfied with anyway. Yawn.
Exactly I've got an AlBook 17" 1.0GHz and I'm used to its speed. I think it's acceptable. Now I guess the new MacBook Pro will--even with Rosetta used for some apps--be a bit zippier, even with Photoshop running under Rosetta. Why? It's double the clockspeed PLUS a dual core. Even if Rosetta would run at 1/3 of native speed it would still be zippier than what I have now.
That's exactly what's wrong with Apple. the drastic changes.
That's also what's wrong with Microsoft, unwilling to make changes. Legacy support makes life hard for msoft.
Now which way is it? You can't have it both ways. Apple is bad, because they make drastic changes, Microsoft is bad because they don't. WTF...
I think Apple is perfectly right to make drastic changes. It hurts, but changes always do and this benefits us and technology as a whole in the long rung. It sure beats building cruft over cruft and just bloating everything for so-called backwards compatibility that never really is.
Actually it does now. It didn't intially, though. Get your facts straight.
I'd rather think that they took so long to get an OS X version out, because they had to rewrite a lot of their stuff in Cocoa and now it pays off. Kudos to them!
Adobe has no real financial incentive to do a rewrite of the current apps. From Adobe's point of view
Let's friggin hope Apple or another hardcore Cocoa developer is going to give them hell with a CoreImage enabled OS X only glory graphics editor. Now would be the best time to come up with something, because on Intel Macs Adobe's got nothing to counter them for another friggin year!
Got your financial incentive right here buddy!
Well, when Final Cut Pro 1.0 came out it was merely looked at as a competitor to Premiere. A at best semi-pro application for video editing if even.
And before you could say "oops what the fuck" it had mostly taken but all users from media100, later on it started hurting Avid sales and with their HD solutions (and a G5), they actually are taking over the market for solutions wich usually have a pricing with a few digits more than any FCP + HD capture card (Digital Vodoo, Kona, BlackMagic etc.). Also all of a sudden with motion they're hurting AfterEffects sales as well (which is a good thing AE really is getting old, the GUI desperatly needs an overhaul).
So I could imagine that for now Pages is just another Word with frames on steroids. But then again, you never now what Apples is going to do if Adobe and Quark don't get the thumbs out of their asses with InDesign and QXP, well let the devil take the hindmost then.
That's why I'd shell out full-bloat-rip-me-off-and-sodomize-me just-as-adobe-does-prices for a full-blown Cocoa and Mac only Photoshop killer app. I REALLY WOULD!
It's such a shame that the TIFFany3 developers never did anything with that application. The GUI was fubar, with some work on that app it could have left Photoshop dead in the water, but then again, it's them we have to thank for QuartzExtreme and CoreImage, so maybe it was a good thing after all that they got bought out by Apple.
Not in the US.
>"You don't find the grail, the grail finds you." -- The Da Vinci Code
I thought that was only the case in SOVIET RUSSIA...
I wanted to reply in a serious and educated manner to your post, but your final comment just did it for me. Sorry.
>Millions of people buy their products every day.
>No one is holding a gun to their head.
>Obviously they did deliver.
>Now you may wish the products were different but Gates
>fundamentally believes that the way to tell of a product is what
>consummers wants is by seeing if they buy it or not.
You say: millions buy it = it's a good product.
WRONG. It's a selling product for whatever reasons. As you know billions of flies eat shit. They can't be wrong! Can they! Shit obviously is delivering! Let's all eat shit!
Millions of people also thought that the Nazi regime in Germany was a good idea (at the time, and that includes many in the US and elsewhere in Europe as well) and millions now think Dubya is doing a great job and the war on Iraq has not only made this world a safer place (ROFLMAO), but it was a pretty good idea to start with. This just proves that people, in most cases, are sheep.
1) He moved hard into PCs early
I doubt it was for visionary reasons, but because he could make a buck, due to the fact that some relative (I think it was his mom, but I'm not sure) had good connections to IBM, and he was quick enough to buy something for selling it to IBM.
2) He licensed freely and openly
Initial bait. Later on he forced hardware vendors to install MS only or else...
3) He didn't use copy protection but rather went for a moral and legal attacks on piracy
Initial bait. Now that we're all addicted to his drug, he's Mr. DRM himself.
4) He almost tried to be the cheapest software in his quality class, and started price wars as a core business technique
In order to drive the competition out of business. As you can see, his software is ridiculously overpriced now that he completely rules the market on office software.
5) He aimed his products at non hobbiests and non professionals having a vision of "a computer on every desk".
His vision of computer on every desk goes as far as him wanting MS tax on every head.
6) He was patient and allowed products time to mature.
He was impatient and allowed not even beta quality software to get sold as finished product. None of his software is mature even by now. MS software has gone beyond maturing/ripening, it's now in a state of getting fat, foul and rotting.
>Early versions of most very succesful Microsoft products were terrible
Well, actually it's not only the early versions, but that's another story. He and his company never ever once got their shit together to really deliver on their promises, and more often than not ended up buying other companies to write the code for them.
>>provide the same/nearly same function to the end user as a water company, FOSS does
Sorry, but I wasn't able to compile most of your software on OS X. Is that a feature or a bug then? No, I don't know how to programme, so could you please get me a free compiled NATIVE version of OpenOffice for OS X? What do you say, there's only a version that needs X11 and sucks a banana when you have to use Japanese (i.e. you can't input Japanese in X11 on OS X without a degree in rocke science?). Weeeellly, well, then it does neither provide same/nearly same function nor any frigging function at all to many, many people...
So, where's my GNotoshop? Ah, you mean GIMP? No way dude! Not for pros! And without proper colour profiles as well as proper support for spot colours and CMYK we're talking about "not even in the same league". What about Prepress? LaTex? ROFL. This even sounds like you have to be into S&M if you want to do layout with that software...
Your point was?
You all are so full of shit. How do you know Steve Jobs hasn't given large sums of money to the charities? Did you get secret information about his bank account?
So, Bill Gates makes a fuss about how charitable he is, so he is a good man, because he gives in a fashion that everyone can see and hear him doing so? I tell you what:
What a FUCKING EGOMANIC ASSHOLE, if he has to tell the world when he does some good. Maybe he needs to do, because him doing good ist such a fucking rare thing!
Neither you nor I do even have the faintest idea how much S. Jobs or anyone else is giving to charity. Just because they don't announce it publicly doesn't mean they don't give and certainly it doesn't make them worse people.
If this is going to be the intellectual level of discussion on slashdot, from now on, then my friends and neighbours it's all over.
Whatever. Microsoft is an oligopoly (for simplicity this is often referred to as being a monopoly, because most people can't spell "oligopoly"), still more or less the same rules apply as with a monopoly. What's your point?
I had my own domain name with .mac for a while. Netsol was my DNS and I had web forwarding set up with them, so it worked OK. Of course you can't use your own CMS, but that's completely the whole point. If you can and want to install and maintain your own CMS, you'r definitely not the target group for .Mac.
.Mac is that you can make your own Web Photoalbum, Web Site, Blog whatever using iLife and the .Mac services with zero effort. For the rest of us, so to speak. I'm still using .Mac for the synching alone, though.
The whole point with
That is, if you have a Mac.
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijackpro/
Not, if the piece you're nocking off is old enough. Or who's going to sue you for knocking-off Bach and Händel CDs?
I think keeping your filesystem as a way of organizing things is still the way to go, and Spotlight for me makes it just a bit more convenient to find things I cannot remember the location of immediately, or if I have to look for something like "any image that shows a tree", there could be many images in all kinds of job folders.
Spotlight ist just a convenient way to find things, I don't think it makes a good replacement for staying organised.
Boots in 1 second, never breaks, looks like a piece of shit and makes sure you'll have hours of fun waiting for the games to load from the datasette (tape), while adjusting the tape head with a screwdriver.
Ah, yes there was the 1541 Foppy drive, but it cost about as much as the whole computer and it might be not vintage enough for C64 purists...
It's free you know. And in contrast to IE does comply with most web standards.