Its a 760MP chipset, not a 760 chipset, there is a world of difference. The 760 was the first Athlon DDR solution, and up until recently the best performing.
The 760MP is what is on the Thunder K7, it supports dual processors and DDR.
nForce uses AMDs hypertransport system, basically... nforce is the cheap model. AMD can massively scale up the bandwidth on the board very easily at any time, so the Hammer won't be running into any problems.
people in places like NASA tend to be computer literate, as their whole job relies on it. I'm also sure they hire quite a few good tech guys.... not just someone who thinks his MCSE is the be all and end all of certifications.
I have a feeling NASA doesn't use outlook for email, or run unpatched systems, even if they did use IIS. A professional company doesn't use microsoft to run everything, they know better.
why? because you obviously know absolutely nothing about physics or chemistry. You can't boil water and get gold, if you actually read the article, you'd know that the gold in water, isn't the gold that is used in jewelery and stuff. Gold is almost completely non-reactive, its why we use it.
Of course, spending the money to boil a liter of water to get less than 1 ppm of gold is a great money maker.
When the electrons are passed to or from the gold in the water, the gold is oxidized or reduced (depending on the state its in), and the gold is changed to its solid form. Although the article is wrong, its not like oxygen we breathe, because we don't reduce or oxidize oxygen.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't excite just the website end of @home? I was told over a year ago (when they were losing mass amounts of money then), that they just made the webpages. A huge portion of their staff was laid off 6 months ago or so and they were all web developers (excite sucks for their websites anyways).
The @home backbone is very strong, and last I was told they weren't in much trouble. AT&T would surely bail them out if they were, they have most of @homes customers, even though as a ISP they are probably the worst of everyone on the @home network. If @home was in real trouble, they'd lease out those massive pipes they have running all around the country, might slow down your service, but it probably wouldn't. You'd be seeing large price hikes if there was trouble with the actual service... so far, I haven't seen anything.
Via bought S3 graphics.... from anandtech "Luckily VIA has another alternative, because of their acquisition of S3 Graphics VIA claims to have inherited licensing rights to Intel's buses which were originally given to S3. "
If they really have a license for P4s, then this is just like Microsoft calling linux a cancer... they are afraid of it, and intel knows that can't get out of the rambus deal until 2002, they'll lose a lot of chipsets to VIA in those months.
I have a feeling that VIA has a leg to stand on, while I'm not a fan of them, I hope the hurt intel pretty bad.
only a uninformed person would think Nvidia, Nvidia, Nvidia. The Radeon 8500 was previewed... and it makes the GF3 look like a POS. It has many many features, incredible results, and huge theoritical numbers. The chip isn't finished yet, but the preview at Tom's Hardware is showing good results... and the drivers are still very early. The Radeon 7500 is matching the GF2 pro quite well too, but its pretty cheap.
In september, when its released... it should be impressive, if ATI gets their proper gpu manufacturing working first. Nvidia doesn't touch them in terms of picture quality either.
ATI has switched to a unified driver architure with the Radeon series. Their win2k performance is up to theit win9x performance... its looking good for them, seeing how cheap they are compared to Nvidia.
be warned that Linux requires an IQ above 80 to install, you may run into troubles while installing if you don't meet this minimum hardware recommendation. Windows requires a IQ of 35, which may better suit many people in the real world, but will require a decent IQ to cover the massive security holes in Office, IE, Windows, and anything with a MS logo on it.
Coming soon to a OS near you, security patches for your integrated CD burning tools !
The Radeon is cheaper than GF2s, always has been. The value cards are similar prices, but the crappy MX cards can't compete with a Radeon LE. Your attitude stinks towards technology, you can't even accept the fact that a new (old) company is coming into 3d graphics and is doing it much better then Nvidia. Why spend all that cash on a GF3 card that has the worst looking picture of any vid card on the market? It isn't hard to get speed when the processor leaves out any and all detail the image had.
If ATI wanted to compete with the GF3 they could have released another MAXX card, it would have put the GF3 to shame, and still had been cheaper. The only thing wrong with ATI right now is that their drivers are slower than they should be, they are very stable, but can't compete in win2k. Nvidia's drivers on the other hand have countless revisions and versions, some work on some computers... great way to make a product.
This story is months old...
The p4 was designed to work with Rambus... it was a stupid move, but something even more dumb is going back to SDR. SDR makes a p4 absolutely useless, the p3 will destroy it... its designed to be able to use high bandwidth. Even DDR kills the P4, the long latency of the p4 chip, and rambus work together, the small latency of DDR won't help it much. DDR won't be coming for a while anyway, next year from what I've heard... they have a contract with rambus about DDR... but not SDR.
If anyone is stupid enough to buy a SDR P4 system, they should be shot. The P4 is a failure, it was not designed well, you can't change it. From heat issues, to using ridiculous amounts of bandwidth on board to due simple functions it just sucks.
there are probably a few reasons why AMD doesn't support Tbirds for SMP use.
1. Heat, they run much much hotter than the MP or Athlon 4 chips do. Heat = unstable, not good the server market.
2. Chip safety features, including the new built in temp monitor so the chip won't overheat and burn itself out if something fails.
I never said VIA was any good... they suck, but there is a reason why they are on a huge amounts of boards... it's simply price. They make dirt cheap chips, AMDs chips cost a lot when compared, they also run on 6 layers of PCB instead of the normal 4 for VIA, Ali, etc.
You can try and defend intel as much as you want, truth is that they have been falling over their own mistakes... and they constantly are making new ones. AMD has made intel rush, and make new products faster than ever before... they just can't handle it.
in response to quite a few people...
1. You don't need to have a 300W power supply for AMD CPUS, it is recommended, AMD likes to cover their ass, and for a good reason. If you've seen intels awful recommendations on Heat Sinks and Fans for the P4s, then you'd know its better to be safe then sorry.
Just because a PSU is 300W doesn't mean it is constantly pushing that 300W out, many crap comp makers like emachines put 150W PSUs in, and they run...
2. Most chipsets for AMD systems do suck... and most people don't even look into what they are buying. Ali makes slower chips and rarely has issues with them, the AMD chipsets are constantly getting better. VIA still stinks and always will. I've bought one VIA chipset, and I won't buy another.
Remember that Intel chips also have third party chipsets on boards, VIA makes lots of them.
3. Intel has been traditionally superior in photoshop, and the new p4 is great for quake 3 and streaming media, thats it. Anyone that buys a P3 because of its graphics superiority really is a moron... because an Apple will smash the p3 for graphics anyway.
4. AMD chips are not unstable like some people are said. I've had systems running for months, and not a single crash... I can't say that for any intel systems as of yet. There is no compatitiblity issues at all with them, an ignorant person would say there is... because crap chipsets like VIA requires drivers, but then again... so do some intel chipsets, which of late have made VIA look like a first rate chip manufacturer.
5. As for soundcard problems... that person is ignorant. AMD CPUs have no soundcard incompatibilites.... old VIA chipsets make them go staticy, but not the new ones.
I believe IBM is working on nanotechnology, they are developing tubes which are only a few atoms wide and should be out in 10 years. Massive reduction in power needs, and huge benefits in speeds are possible with this.
The physically limits of silicon will be reached by that time, and I'm sure there will be many attempts like this to stretch out the technology as long as possible. Quite frankley, the processors may be reaching max speeds, but our computer systems aren't and the processor war is just hype. They need to be redeveloped to allow for higher FSB speeds which is currently impossible with the physical size of motherboards, allow for higher on board bandwidth. Adding 4 100Mhz channels isn't a step in the right direction as with the Pentium 4, its just a work around, not really getting too much faster.
I say work on fixing and changing the physical layout of computer parts so speeds can be improved and wait for nanotechology to get here, it won't take too long. Intel's yields at current processes which are much larger than 0.02nm are poor at best, its just inefficient to reduce the size too much.
its interesting, but AMD is already incorporating a new type of silicon into their chips. The price increase it supposedly quite small, and the performance gain is similar to IBMs technology... but is said to have incredible heat conductive properties, bringing the athlons to almost no Heatsink levels of temperatures.
Since this technology AMD is putting in their chips is an extremely pure form of silicon, it might not be compatitible with IBMs research, but you never know.
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Microsoft has announced that the best way to secure IIS is to leave it inside the orignal wrapping.
Its a 760MP chipset, not a 760 chipset, there is a world of difference. The 760 was the first Athlon DDR solution, and up until recently the best performing.
The 760MP is what is on the Thunder K7, it supports dual processors and DDR.
Maybe you should modify the article.
They might be between a rock and a hard place but the several billion dollars in pure cash seems to soften it up.
nForce uses AMDs hypertransport system, basically... nforce is the cheap model. AMD can massively scale up the bandwidth on the board very easily at any time, so the Hammer won't be running into any problems.
people in places like NASA tend to be computer literate, as their whole job relies on it. I'm also sure they hire quite a few good tech guys.... not just someone who thinks his MCSE is the be all and end all of certifications.
I have a feeling NASA doesn't use outlook for email, or run unpatched systems, even if they did use IIS.
A professional company doesn't use microsoft to run everything, they know better.
hm, maybe in the metabolism, but not in the coversion from CO2 from O2. Either that or I just can't think today.
why? because you obviously know absolutely nothing about physics or chemistry. You can't boil water and get gold, if you actually read the article, you'd know that the gold in water, isn't the gold that is used in jewelery and stuff. Gold is almost completely non-reactive, its why we use it.
Of course, spending the money to boil a liter of water to get less than 1 ppm of gold is a great money maker.
When the electrons are passed to or from the gold in the water, the gold is oxidized or reduced (depending on the state its in), and the gold is changed to its solid form. Although the article is wrong, its not like oxygen we breathe, because we don't reduce or oxidize oxygen.
the first service pack for it was released today, along with a security patch for that service pack.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't excite just the website end of @home? I was told over a year ago (when they were losing mass amounts of money then), that they just made the webpages. A huge portion of their staff was laid off 6 months ago or so and they were all web developers (excite sucks for their websites anyways).
The @home backbone is very strong, and last I was told they weren't in much trouble. AT&T would surely bail them out if they were, they have most of @homes customers, even though as a ISP they are probably the worst of everyone on the @home network. If @home was in real trouble, they'd lease out those massive pipes they have running all around the country, might slow down your service, but it probably wouldn't. You'd be seeing large price hikes if there was trouble with the actual service... so far, I haven't seen anything.
It's microsoft so I hope it will be bundled with the lastest version of solitaire, if its not my $1200 will be wasted.
Via bought S3 graphics.... from anandtech "Luckily VIA has another alternative, because of their acquisition of S3 Graphics VIA claims to have inherited licensing rights to Intel's buses which were originally given to S3. "
If they really have a license for P4s, then this is just like Microsoft calling linux a cancer... they are afraid of it, and intel knows that can't get out of the rambus deal until 2002, they'll lose a lot of chipsets to VIA in those months.
I have a feeling that VIA has a leg to stand on, while I'm not a fan of them, I hope the hurt intel pretty bad.
only a uninformed person would think Nvidia, Nvidia, Nvidia. The Radeon 8500 was previewed... and it makes the GF3 look like a POS. It has many many features, incredible results, and huge theoritical numbers. The chip isn't finished yet, but the preview at Tom's Hardware is showing good results... and the drivers are still very early. The Radeon 7500 is matching the GF2 pro quite well too, but its pretty cheap.
In september, when its released... it should be impressive, if ATI gets their proper gpu manufacturing working first. Nvidia doesn't touch them in terms of picture quality either.
ATI has switched to a unified driver architure with the Radeon series. Their win2k performance is up to theit win9x performance... its looking good for them, seeing how cheap they are compared to Nvidia.
be warned that Linux requires an IQ above 80 to install, you may run into troubles while installing if you don't meet this minimum hardware recommendation. Windows requires a IQ of 35, which may better suit many people in the real world, but will require a decent IQ to cover the massive security holes in Office, IE, Windows, and anything with a MS logo on it.
Coming soon to a OS near you, security patches for your integrated CD burning tools !
# of linux distros bought = 3 # of windows OSes bought = 0 # of windows OSes stolen ... priceless
The Radeon is cheaper than GF2s, always has been. The value cards are similar prices, but the crappy MX cards can't compete with a Radeon LE. Your attitude stinks towards technology, you can't even accept the fact that a new (old) company is coming into 3d graphics and is doing it much better then Nvidia. Why spend all that cash on a GF3 card that has the worst looking picture of any vid card on the market? It isn't hard to get speed when the processor leaves out any and all detail the image had. If ATI wanted to compete with the GF3 they could have released another MAXX card, it would have put the GF3 to shame, and still had been cheaper. The only thing wrong with ATI right now is that their drivers are slower than they should be, they are very stable, but can't compete in win2k. Nvidia's drivers on the other hand have countless revisions and versions, some work on some computers... great way to make a product.
This story is months old... The p4 was designed to work with Rambus... it was a stupid move, but something even more dumb is going back to SDR. SDR makes a p4 absolutely useless, the p3 will destroy it... its designed to be able to use high bandwidth. Even DDR kills the P4, the long latency of the p4 chip, and rambus work together, the small latency of DDR won't help it much. DDR won't be coming for a while anyway, next year from what I've heard... they have a contract with rambus about DDR... but not SDR. If anyone is stupid enough to buy a SDR P4 system, they should be shot. The P4 is a failure, it was not designed well, you can't change it. From heat issues, to using ridiculous amounts of bandwidth on board to due simple functions it just sucks.
there are probably a few reasons why AMD doesn't support Tbirds for SMP use. 1. Heat, they run much much hotter than the MP or Athlon 4 chips do. Heat = unstable, not good the server market. 2. Chip safety features, including the new built in temp monitor so the chip won't overheat and burn itself out if something fails.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/15121.html There you go, minimal cost, 35C temp drop for a 1Ghz processor, almost no Heat sink needed.
I never said VIA was any good... they suck, but there is a reason why they are on a huge amounts of boards... it's simply price. They make dirt cheap chips, AMDs chips cost a lot when compared, they also run on 6 layers of PCB instead of the normal 4 for VIA, Ali, etc. You can try and defend intel as much as you want, truth is that they have been falling over their own mistakes... and they constantly are making new ones. AMD has made intel rush, and make new products faster than ever before... they just can't handle it.
in response to quite a few people... 1. You don't need to have a 300W power supply for AMD CPUS, it is recommended, AMD likes to cover their ass, and for a good reason. If you've seen intels awful recommendations on Heat Sinks and Fans for the P4s, then you'd know its better to be safe then sorry. Just because a PSU is 300W doesn't mean it is constantly pushing that 300W out, many crap comp makers like emachines put 150W PSUs in, and they run... 2. Most chipsets for AMD systems do suck... and most people don't even look into what they are buying. Ali makes slower chips and rarely has issues with them, the AMD chipsets are constantly getting better. VIA still stinks and always will. I've bought one VIA chipset, and I won't buy another. Remember that Intel chips also have third party chipsets on boards, VIA makes lots of them. 3. Intel has been traditionally superior in photoshop, and the new p4 is great for quake 3 and streaming media, thats it. Anyone that buys a P3 because of its graphics superiority really is a moron... because an Apple will smash the p3 for graphics anyway. 4. AMD chips are not unstable like some people are said. I've had systems running for months, and not a single crash... I can't say that for any intel systems as of yet. There is no compatitiblity issues at all with them, an ignorant person would say there is... because crap chipsets like VIA requires drivers, but then again... so do some intel chipsets, which of late have made VIA look like a first rate chip manufacturer. 5. As for soundcard problems... that person is ignorant. AMD CPUs have no soundcard incompatibilites.... old VIA chipsets make them go staticy, but not the new ones.
the Asus A7M266 is one bad board...... The Iwill K266 is great too, but I'd avoid it... as it contains an ALi chipset.
I believe IBM is working on nanotechnology, they are developing tubes which are only a few atoms wide and should be out in 10 years. Massive reduction in power needs, and huge benefits in speeds are possible with this. The physically limits of silicon will be reached by that time, and I'm sure there will be many attempts like this to stretch out the technology as long as possible. Quite frankley, the processors may be reaching max speeds, but our computer systems aren't and the processor war is just hype. They need to be redeveloped to allow for higher FSB speeds which is currently impossible with the physical size of motherboards, allow for higher on board bandwidth. Adding 4 100Mhz channels isn't a step in the right direction as with the Pentium 4, its just a work around, not really getting too much faster. I say work on fixing and changing the physical layout of computer parts so speeds can be improved and wait for nanotechology to get here, it won't take too long. Intel's yields at current processes which are much larger than 0.02nm are poor at best, its just inefficient to reduce the size too much.
I meant no fan, always need a heatsink :)
This was a month ago or so, I'll look for a link though.
its interesting, but AMD is already incorporating a new type of silicon into their chips. The price increase it supposedly quite small, and the performance gain is similar to IBMs technology... but is said to have incredible heat conductive properties, bringing the athlons to almost no Heatsink levels of temperatures. Since this technology AMD is putting in their chips is an extremely pure form of silicon, it might not be compatitible with IBMs research, but you never know.