I did think it was interesting that the charges that are so often aimed at Christians, could be better applied to him in this case.
Ah, it was a trap, cute! That explains why you call me stupid, then complain I was the one to do it to you.
You and that Profane guy (who's in love with me, he follows me around, sends me messages I never read but sends them all the time, and has made numerous explicit homosexual advances at me in replies) can be friends!
Argue WHAT point? There's nothing to argue, you just think whatever's in the bible is right, I don't. You're not gonna change my mind, I'm not gonna change yours, this conversation has stopped serving a clear purpose long ago.
I think your very existence, and the fact that you are able to continue to communicate, is the part that insults and enrages those who would be our masters.
Hehehe, I'll take that as a compliment, thanks : )
But I think they missed the irony of the ++good part. I thought it was pretty obvious, then again, I thought it was also obvious that this post wasn't baiting for flames. Heck, I didn't even GET flamed!
Your blanket statement reminds me of when Microsoft globally condemns the work of OSS, without even know what it actually does.
Oh really? My stating facts about Robert Baden-Powell's use of the "idle hands" catch phrase in his early publicity for his para-military brigade reminds you of a megacorporation using its vast ressources to spread FUD about it's competition?
Flamebait -- Flamebait refers to comments whose sole purpose is to insult and enrage. If someone is not-so-subtly picking a fight (racial insults are a dead giveaway), it's Flamebait.
Somewhere about 1893 I started teaching Scouting to young soldiers in my regiment. When these young fellows joined the Army they had learned reading, writing, and arithmetic in school but as a rule not much else. They were nice lads and made very good parade soldiers, obeyed orders, kept themselves clean and smart and all that, but they had never been taught to be men, how to look after themselves, how to take responsibility, and so on. They had not had my chances of education outside the classroom. They had been brought up in the herd at school, they were trained as a herd in the Army; they simply did as they were told and had no ideas or initiative of their own. In action they carried out orders, but if their officer was shot they were as helpless as a flock of sheep. Tell one of them to ride out alone with a message on a dark night and ten to one he would lose his way. I wanted to make them feel that they were a match for any enemy, able to find their way by the stars or map, accustomed to notice all tracks and signs and to read their meaning, and able to fend for themselves away from regimental cooks and barracks.
* "BE PREPARED" (http://www.pinetreeweb.com/bp-listener.htm), Listener Magazine (1937)
The part on idle hands then?
Thirdly, because it has filled up idle moments in which goodness knows what amount of mischief Satan might not have been finding for mine idle hands to do R. S. S. B.-P.
Or the part about the RIAA wanting to indoctrinate young people making a good choice picking an organisation that has access to a lot of young people and who are trusted to teach them usefull skills and solid values?
Which part of my post, exactly, do you people think was meant to insult and enrage?
Boy scouts are about honor and doing what is right and about self reliance and about all other good things like that.
Well, it's a para-military brigade that was originally advertised as a good way to keep young boy's hands busy (i.e. to prevent them... going blind).
So it's a pretty good choice for an organisation who's been attempting through various means to indoctrinate the next generation into their view on copyrights.
Largely because you seem to come to it with a preconcieved notion and are then viewing everything through that lens. No doubt you could accuse me of doing the same.
Right on, daddy-o!
My notion is that the Bible is a man-made tool for mind control. Yours is that it is the encrypted True Word of the all-father.
Here's the thing: If I saw a talking bush that burned without consumming itself, I would be amazed, but I wouldn't assume that the bush created life, the universe, and everything. And a few tricks involving batrachians and microbes would impress me, but would not lead me to think that the one resposible for them existed before time and encompasses all that there is.
Likewise, Noah's story screams of "self-fullfilling prophecy": He built a wood-floored barn and wellcomed all the frightened animals that fled the incoming waters, then floated to safety while the rest of the people, who mocked his unusual barn, drowned. Therefore: God likes him and inspired him to build the arc and led the animals to him! He is choosen! Not lucky, but preferred above all other of the Lord's creations!
In short: I don't take at face value the badly translated and oft copied and re-copied and re-translated interpretations of events of ingnorant, long-dead farmers. Those are myths, not beautifull truths. Embelished hearsay, history buried in storytelling.
If there is really One True God, I'll deal with Him and the fact that he gave me a sharp mind with a penchant for sarcasm, instead of giving me blind faith, when Judgement comes. For all we know, figuring out the core of truth in the misdts of all the mumbo jumbo of the bible is another one of his lil' tests.
I think you also need to examine this in context. Consider what God did to repair the damage. He sent his son to die on the cross. It seems a pretty expensive trap to me.
Yay! Let's buy back the cruelty with... MORE cruelty!
First he sets up Adam and Eve with a trap, then punishes them for falling for it, then makes up for it by having ANOTHER kid and letting him get nailed up by the descendents of the first one. Pain on top of pain.
This is not the case of God picking some random person to take the fall, this is his own son, God himself.
The bible holds both that God is sovereign and that man has free will.
Free will before tasting of the fruit of knowledge? How does that work? You're free to choose, but you're not allowed to know what it is you're choosing, and you are still held accountable if you make the wrong choice. Unspeakably cruel.
Then, by that definition, most humans are not intelligent.
So I keep noticing.
No, I think you've got a lack of intelligence mixed up with insanity: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." - Benjamin Franklin
Cute : )
Life is wild, and evolution is chaotic, not purposeful and intelligent. But, yes, insane.
As for putting words in your mouth, please forgive me.
Instead of simply forgiving you, I'll ask that you just don't do it again, to me or to others. I'd rather see you be honest and loving out of genuine personal character, rather than apologetic for past hypocrisy / angry replies.
The church is called what it is called because that the name that the Lord gave it. You can take the issue up with Him, ok?
It's simply proof that there is only one perfect God
How is that? How is a story about a god creating simpletons and then getting angry at them for being easilly decieved by another one of his creations proof of ANYTHING?
Main Entry: 1proof Pronunciation: 'prüf Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, alteration of preove, from Old French preuve, from Late Latin proba, from Latin probare to prove -- more at PROVE 1 a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
God's purpose is to glorify God. Nothing else matters. Understand that, and you'll finally get it.
God is narcissistic and couldn't care less about the suffering of men, check.
Wow... thats messed up. Adam was not decieved. Read 1st Timothy 2:14.
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
Yeah, that IS messed up.
So god created the serpent who tricks the woman, whom he created without knowledge of good or evil, who then offers it to Adam, whom she loved, after she learned of good and evil. She was created gullible and tricked by another of the omniscient's creation, while he watched in silence into learning of good and evil, and she chooses to share this with the love of her life rather than be above him while he stays ignorant. And for this, she is punished with endless chores and horrible pains in childbirth. Truly an act of love! Sheesh.
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I did think it was interesting that the charges that are so often aimed at Christians, could be better applied to him in this case.
Ah, it was a trap, cute! That explains why you call me stupid, then complain I was the one to do it to you.
You and that Profane guy (who's in love with me, he follows me around, sends me messages I never read but sends them all the time, and has made numerous explicit homosexual advances at me in replies) can be friends!
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These are not the chickens you are looking for...
Is this how you normally argue a point?
Argue WHAT point? There's nothing to argue, you just think whatever's in the bible is right, I don't. You're not gonna change my mind, I'm not gonna change yours, this conversation has stopped serving a clear purpose long ago.
I think your very existence, and the fact that you are able to continue to communicate, is the part that insults and enrages those who would be our masters.
Hehehe, I'll take that as a compliment, thanks : )
But I think they missed the irony of the ++good part. I thought it was pretty obvious, then again, I thought it was also obvious that this post wasn't baiting for flames. Heck, I didn't even GET flamed!
This is a stupid comment and you know it.
I didn't see the need for the reply to rise above the level of the question.
Your blanket statement reminds me of when Microsoft globally condemns the work of OSS, without even know what it actually does.
Oh really? My stating facts about Robert Baden-Powell's use of the "idle hands" catch phrase in his early publicity for his para-military brigade reminds you of a megacorporation using its vast ressources to spread FUD about it's competition?
What an odd thing to say.
Boy scouts [...] a para-military brigade
Was that flamebait? Let's ask Robert Baden-Powell:
The part on idle hands then?
Or the part about the RIAA wanting to indoctrinate young people making a good choice picking an organisation that has access to a lot of young people and who are trusted to teach them usefull skills and solid values?
Which part of my post, exactly, do you people think was meant to insult and enrage?
Clearly you haven't actually spent any time verify whether the bible is in fact badly translated, embellished and hearsay.
I will, as soon as I get a first edition copy and access to native speakers.
What? Can't? All destroyed? All dead? Oh dear!
Boy scouts are about honor and doing what is right and about self reliance and about all other good things like that.
Well, it's a para-military brigade that was originally advertised as a good way to keep young boy's hands busy (i.e. to prevent them... going blind).
So it's a pretty good choice for an organisation who's been attempting through various means to indoctrinate the next generation into their view on copyrights.
M$ jokes aside? I'm having NONE of that!
If I wanted intelligent discussion, I'd be on Fark, duh!
How many redundant posts will we see in this thread?
Depends on the buffer overflow...
Largely because you seem to come to it with a preconcieved notion and are then viewing everything through that lens. No doubt you could accuse me of doing the same.
Right on, daddy-o!
My notion is that the Bible is a man-made tool for mind control.
Yours is that it is the encrypted True Word of the all-father.
Here's the thing: If I saw a talking bush that burned without consumming itself, I would be amazed, but I wouldn't assume that the bush created life, the universe, and everything.
And a few tricks involving batrachians and microbes would impress me, but would not lead me to think that the one resposible for them existed before time and encompasses all that there is.
Likewise, Noah's story screams of "self-fullfilling prophecy": He built a wood-floored barn and wellcomed all the frightened animals that fled the incoming waters, then floated to safety while the rest of the people, who mocked his unusual barn, drowned.
Therefore: God likes him and inspired him to build the arc and led the animals to him! He is choosen! Not lucky, but preferred above all other of the Lord's creations!
In short: I don't take at face value the badly translated and oft copied and re-copied and re-translated interpretations of events of ingnorant, long-dead farmers. Those are myths, not beautifull truths. Embelished hearsay, history buried in storytelling.
If there is really One True God, I'll deal with Him and the fact that he gave me a sharp mind with a penchant for sarcasm, instead of giving me blind faith, when Judgement comes. For all we know, figuring out the core of truth in the misdts of all the mumbo jumbo of the bible is another one of his lil' tests.
I think you also need to examine this in context. Consider what God did to repair the damage. He sent his son to die on the cross. It seems a pretty expensive trap to me.
Yay! Let's buy back the cruelty with... MORE cruelty!
First he sets up Adam and Eve with a trap, then punishes them for falling for it, then makes up for it by having ANOTHER kid and letting him get nailed up by the descendents of the first one. Pain on top of pain.
This is not the case of God picking some random person to take the fall, this is his own son, God himself.
Masochistic too...
Why is it that people keep talking about the books as the authoritative original source which the films must be measured against?
Been wondering that myself. I figure it's because that's the form there's the most of: The TV and radio series didn't go as long as the books.
The screenplay was at least co-authored by DA, so it is valid to say it is true to the Author's vision
He died years before they started filming. We don't know what parts they changed that he'd been fighting them over after that happened.
The bible holds both that God is sovereign and that man has free will.
Free will before tasting of the fruit of knowledge? How does that work?
You're free to choose, but you're not allowed to know what it is you're choosing, and you are still held accountable if you make the wrong choice. Unspeakably cruel.
I state a fact, I am told "you assumed that fact", I provide evidence from the source material.
Moderated as troll? Not by someone honest, that's for sure.
Then, by that definition, most humans are not intelligent.
So I keep noticing.
No, I think you've got a lack of intelligence mixed up with insanity: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." - Benjamin Franklin
Cute : )
Life is wild, and evolution is chaotic, not purposeful and intelligent. But, yes, insane.
My arguments are logical and well-articulated
No, your arguments are irrational and well articulated.
You have to understand that God doesn't have to conform to your definitions; He becomes the definition.
You will change the definition of any word that stands in the way of your mindless conviction. Got it.
Man, you're screwed up.
Just like when your aircraft spotter sees bombers incoming and sounds the air raid siren INTELLIGENCE means you get in the shelter.
Are you posting this from a small south-pacific island in 1943???
As for putting words in your mouth, please forgive me.
Instead of simply forgiving you, I'll ask that you just don't do it again, to me or to others. I'd rather see you be honest and loving out of genuine personal character, rather than apologetic for past hypocrisy / angry replies.
The church is called what it is called because that the name that the Lord gave it. You can take the issue up with Him, ok?
Consistency, isn't it about time?
Intelligence *IS* doing what you're told.
No, that is subservience.
How is that? How is a story about a god creating simpletons and then getting angry at them for being easilly decieved by another one of his creations proof of ANYTHING?
God's purpose is to glorify God. Nothing else matters. Understand that, and you'll finally get it.
God is narcissistic and couldn't care less about the suffering of men, check.
Adam was not decieved. Read 1st Timothy 2:14.
Yeah, that IS messed up.
So god created the serpent who tricks the woman, whom he created without knowledge of good or evil, who then offers it to Adam, whom she loved, after she learned of good and evil. She was created gullible and tricked by another of the omniscient's creation, while he watched in silence into learning of good and evil, and she chooses to share this with the love of her life rather than be above him while he stays ignorant.
And for this, she is punished with endless chores and horrible pains in childbirth. Truly an act of love! Sheesh.