I do (did I guess) like Firefly's theme song, but come on.. You can't take the sky from me?!? That's one of the easiest things to take away.. it's called a jail cell. And unlike the movies, they don't usually have windows.
Try listening to it while taking "sky" as a euphemism for "heaven"...
Fair enough on one level, but your complaint assumes that the only role of leaf-like structures is photosynthesis.
No. These were clearly tropical plants. The leaves of tropical plants are large and flat. They evolved to take advantage of as much sunlight as they could.
They were simply using the "jungle" set with the lights turned off.
There are many plants on earth who have different "leaves". Evergreens have a more efficient shape for air exchange, and it's bad enough we have to believe in rogues planets with shape shifting aliens on 'em that can be reached by men with ray guns on an improbable and by all known scientific principles, impossible space ship. We ALSO have to grasp at straws to believe in alien foliage that has adapted to a completely different evironment by becoming exactly like our tropical plants?
I didn't even tolerate the entire show, they met with hunters and started their tired "is hunting immoral" diatribe right off the bat. Aweful, aweful dialogue, I turned off the TV and went to read/. IIRC.
"We think Star Trek and especially its latest incarnation, Enterprise is the kind of TV that should be aired more often."
Have they watched it? If so, have they ever seen things like ST:TNG, Babylon 5, Firefly, or even Battlestar Galactica?
If they had, they'd realise there's better things to do with their money, no matter how much "better" this last season was.
They like shows that are about spaceship pioneering because these are business men involved in spaceship pioneering. TNG is too far in the technological future for them. So is Galactica and Firefly. B5 is old news.
Maybe they'd like Enterprise to be around when their business plan dictates the need for televised publicity. That 3 million is an investment in an apropriate futur advertising venue.
a series that jumoed teh shark in the first ten minutes of teh first episode?
You don't seem to understand what "jumped the shark" means. The shark jump is the low point in the series. And yes, Enterprise started low, but to jump the shark... I'd say that was when they showed an alien nazi vampire on earth's past. THAT was as low as having a guy in a leather coat jump over a shark on water skis. Alien nosferatus are stupid enough, but to invoke the wrath of Godwin on them as well... damn that's low!
I am so sick of this red herring fallacy. There is always something more worthwhile to spend our money on. How can the government give money to the military when our schools and hospitals are so desperately in need of cash?
Well, that's perfectly logical: Bad schools mean the kids have no choice but to join the military, and what with a lot of 'em getting blown to bits in exotic locales, well there really isn't much point to funding the hospitals.
NASA was first at every major achievement in space except the satellite, what else could be shown (up to the point where they show made-up stuff)?
WHAT?
First ballistic missile: Germans
First orbitting artificial satellite: Russians
First animal in space: Russians
First animal to survive reentry: Russians
First Man in space: Russians
First Woman in space: Russians
First robot lander on the moon: Russians
First "once around the moon": Russians IIRC
First robot on mars: I think russians...
Unless you define "major achievement" as including the word "american" after that "first" bit, you are extremely ignorant. If you do, you're just plain jingo.
These people exemplify the worst trait of science fiction TV show fans- they don't realize that it is JUST A TV SHOW. It's not a religion, or a philosophy. It's a TV show. Made by a business. Played out by actors.
Does it have to be? Does it have to be just a television program? Can't it grow into something more? Can't it be a movement? Can't it be a means to spreading a message of hope and logic and tolerance?
Star Trek was all these things, once. Paramount has been letting Rick Berman kill all of that, they want it to be a cash cow, not a symbol. I thought they'd suceeded in killing it, but those campaining fans seem to still feel "it".
I personally have always felt the Star Trek franchise is more oriented towards "exploration" and general scientific curiosity.
I'd just like to point out that time in Enterprise's first season when they landed on a "rogue" planet that had escaped it's sun and therefore was in permanent darkness.
They landed in a JUNGLE full of PLANTS with LARGE LEAVES.
These people should have had a tad more scientific curiosity in highschool biology when the teacher explained what leaves are for. I mean, nitpicking is one thing, but damn, people, follow through on the logical conclusions of "no sun"!
The old intro video montage is great! Hell, it's much better than any episode I've seen... on mute. But that song man, argh! It's horrible. Lame, wishy washy country. We are trying to watch a show about spaceships and the planets they go to, the country western is ruining the mood!
So, my point: The intro video and the intro song are two different things altogether.
Although... I just googled, and I see there seems to be a new intro! The music is a lot less horrible, and they are using the "Space... the final frontier." speech... though, er, "no human"? Hello? How did they go from no human to no man to no one? Why not keep "no one"? Do they plan to have a sexism revival sometime between Enterprise and the T.O.S. timeframe??? And dont Phlox and T'its count?
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outrageously expensive?
That consummer code for "charging more than I want to pay for something I wanna!"
Like how marketing speech for "hidden costs" is "and you also get, free of charge..."
I dont recall that group of temporal cold warriors being vampires.
Rick Berman's best idea EVAR: The Remans.
A vampire movie from long ago: The Nosferatu.
Right.. And that has what to do with acting ?
Right, and your coming out with something irrelevant to what I was saying to disprove it has to do with intelligent discourse ?
I guess you could make any analogies you want
Any analogies you want? Are you kidding me? "the sky" for "heaven", in a gorram country western song? I shouldn't even have to point this out to you!
I do (did I guess) like Firefly's theme song, but come on.. You can't take the sky from me?!? That's one of the easiest things to take away.. it's called a jail cell. And unlike the movies, they don't usually have windows.
Try listening to it while taking "sky" as a euphemism for "heaven"...
at Warp Speed!
That is cuter.
I think people are more concerned that the series is being cancelled just as it is starting to get good.
;-)
That is troubling.
Although it explains why Firefly got canned so fast
loose money hand over fist.
I don't think they've lost money yet.
They have had less return on their investment, though.
Rick Berman has no idea hot to create something good...or original.
Preachin' to the choir! I hate him.
Only one succeeded at all -- am not sure which -- but it stopped sending after 30 seconds.
;-)
Partial success then... they learned that martian landers are short lived
Fair enough on one level, but your complaint assumes that the only role of leaf-like structures is photosynthesis.
/. IIRC.
No. These were clearly tropical plants. The leaves of tropical plants are large and flat. They evolved to take advantage of as much sunlight as they could.
They were simply using the "jungle" set with the lights turned off.
There are many plants on earth who have different "leaves". Evergreens have a more efficient shape for air exchange, and it's bad enough we have to believe in rogues planets with shape shifting aliens on 'em that can be reached by men with ray guns on an improbable and by all known scientific principles, impossible space ship. We ALSO have to grasp at straws to believe in alien foliage that has adapted to a completely different evironment by becoming exactly like our tropical plants?
I didn't even tolerate the entire show, they met with hunters and started their tired "is hunting immoral" diatribe right off the bat. Aweful, aweful dialogue, I turned off the TV and went to read
TNG is too far in the technological future for them. So is Galactica and Firefly. B5 is old news.
Mars 6 did land a vehicle in 1973, but it never sent back any useful data.
Did it send back data at all?
If they had prediicted the date they would have said "July 16, 1969", which they did not.
Did you hear that "whoosh" sound? That was the joke, going past you, at a hundred miles an hour!
And you forgot "first space station".
Damn!
I actually had an argument with my high school english teacher about it, too!
No, the Russians or more specificially the Soviets had no success with their Mars probes.
They did try, though?
a series that jumoed teh shark in the first ten minutes of teh first episode?
You don't seem to understand what "jumped the shark" means.
The shark jump is the low point in the series. And yes, Enterprise started low, but to jump the shark... I'd say that was when they showed an alien nazi vampire on earth's past. THAT was as low as having a guy in a leather coat jump over a shark on water skis. Alien nosferatus are stupid enough, but to invoke the wrath of Godwin on them as well... damn that's low!
an all-white crew with the exception of a black driver and an andriod
Hollywood casting and producers... they do get in the way of a good show, don't they?
I am so sick of this red herring fallacy. There is always something more worthwhile to spend our money on. How can the government give money to the military when our schools and hospitals are so desperately in need of cash?
Well, that's perfectly logical: Bad schools mean the kids have no choice but to join the military, and what with a lot of 'em getting blown to bits in exotic locales, well there really isn't much point to funding the hospitals.
WHAT?
First ballistic missile: Germans
First orbitting artificial satellite: Russians
First animal in space: Russians
First animal to survive reentry: Russians
First Man in space: Russians
First Woman in space: Russians
First robot lander on the moon: Russians
First "once around the moon": Russians IIRC
First robot on mars: I think russians...
Unless you define "major achievement" as including the word "american" after that "first" bit, you are extremely ignorant. If you do, you're just plain jingo.
Granted, I like Enterprise and all, especially now that the show is actually getting good this season
;-)
;-)
Good grief! Why did you like it before???
(and not to forget about T'Pol's boobies
Oh! Sorry to have bothered you
What TV shows did Neil Armstrong and Gene Kranz get inspired by to ACTUALLY GET TO THE MOON!?
Maybe Star Trek.
It predicted the exact day of the lauch of the first manned moon mission!
(a wednesday!)
Yes, manned moon landings were science fiction when Star Trek first aired... boggles the mind a bit, don't it?
These people exemplify the worst trait of science fiction TV show fans- they don't realize that it is JUST A TV SHOW. It's not a religion, or a philosophy. It's a TV show. Made by a business. Played out by actors.
Does it have to be?
Does it have to be just a television program? Can't it grow into something more? Can't it be a movement? Can't it be a means to spreading a message of hope and logic and tolerance?
Star Trek was all these things, once. Paramount has been letting Rick Berman kill all of that, they want it to be a cash cow, not a symbol.
I thought they'd suceeded in killing it, but those campaining fans seem to still feel "it".
I personally have always felt the Star Trek franchise is more oriented towards "exploration" and general scientific curiosity.
I'd just like to point out that time in Enterprise's first season when they landed on a "rogue" planet that had escaped it's sun and therefore was in permanent darkness.
They landed in a JUNGLE full of PLANTS with LARGE LEAVES.
These people should have had a tad more scientific curiosity in highschool biology when the teacher explained what leaves are for.
I mean, nitpicking is one thing, but damn, people, follow through on the logical conclusions of "no sun"!
I really like the into and theme.
Ah, let's make a distinction here!
The old intro video montage is great! Hell, it's much better than any episode I've seen... on mute. But that song man, argh! It's horrible. Lame, wishy washy country. We are trying to watch a show about spaceships and the planets they go to, the country western is ruining the mood!
So, my point: The intro video and the intro song are two different things altogether.
Although... I just googled, and I see there seems to be a new intro!
The music is a lot less horrible, and they are using the "Space... the final frontier." speech... though, er, "no human"? Hello? How did they go from no human to no man to no one? Why not keep "no one"? Do they plan to have a sexism revival sometime between Enterprise and the T.O.S. timeframe??? And dont Phlox and T'its count?
I think the theme is very good for Enterprise.
;-)
Well, I hate that crappy theme and it's lame overtones.
So, yeah, it fits the show quite well