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Malfourmed writes "TrekUnited.com today announced that three anonymous contributors from the commercial spaceflight industry have stepped forward with a $3 million pledge toward the campaign to ensure a fifth season for the recently cancelled Star Trek: Enterprise.
The benefactors explained why they believe this campaign deserves such a substantial contribution: 'We think Star Trek and especially its latest incarnation, Enterprise is the kind of TV that should be aired more often. The people responsible at Paramount think this is just a show and we want to tell them, it is not. We are in the commercial space flight industry and would like to testify that at least one out of two of all the actual entrepreneurs involved in this industry has been inspired by Star Trek; and we are not only good at watching TV sci-fi , we are also good at writing checks, big checks. The people airing this kind of TV have a responsibility; inspiration.' " We reported on this a few days ago, but this is more info about the largest donors.
Even on the long shot that they DO manage to squeeze another season out of paramount, I doubt that they'll be able to juice it for a full 7-season run like every other trek series (save the original series)
Does anyone know how much a season of production costs? Even 3 million may not be enough....
What's a doner?
I think it's nice sentiment but ultimately ineffective. You're trying to tell arrogant people with enormous egos that they're wrong. They don't want to hear that. Unless their board is energized by powerful stockholders, they don't have to hear that. Good try, though.
Rb
...but I can't bring myself to pay to keep hearing that horrible opening theme. If they would promise to get a new theme, I would cough up some duckets.
There's an abundance of boner jokes going around this morning. Is this Slashdot's version of "morning wood?"
Why not give the money on the condition that they're gone? That'd be better for the future of Trek than anything else.
"We think Star Trek and especially its latest incarnation, Enterprise is the kind of TV that should be aired more often."
Have they watched it? If so, have they ever seen things like ST:TNG, Babylon 5, Firefly, or even Battlestar Galactica?
If they had, they'd realise there's better things to do with their money, no matter how much "better" this last season was.
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Aren't there better destinations for donations?
Yeah. Would you choose a neurosurgeon who pokes around people's brains in his spare time? I wouldn't.
Please, just let the show die with a little dignity.
...when TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager were cancelled? I mean, I know that the fans have almost always been unanimous in their objections when one of the Treks have been cancelled, but are these huge monetary donations precedented?
My point is this:
Are people concerned about the series being cancelled, or are they concerned about the series being cancelled without another Trek incarnation on the horizon?
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Ahhhh....It's a dupe! I thought I stuck in a spatial distortion cause by a port lacelle malfunction that caused a rift in the space time continuum.
I always spell the piece of paper that detail payment instructions to the bank as "cheque" not "check". For example: "American Express Travelers Cheques"
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What a coincidence! Humanity completely lost faith in you just the other day!
to keep the show, and not enough to keep the title song
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They're making yet another Star Trek movie!
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What TV shows did Neil Armstrong and Gene Kranz get inspired by to ACTUALLY GET TO THE MOON!?
If this is true, Star Trek should sit on the bench for a good 15 years or so.
(Found this on a random messageboard)
Oh Fuck it...Trip dies at the end and the episode is a holographic program on the holodeck of the Enterprise-D (yes...D as in how DUMB can you get!)which Riker and Troi are observing. The series itself is not a hologram program, but the likelihood of bringing it back after this bullshit is practically zero. You may now commense your saber rattling. Q
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Paramount does a Lokitorrent ? Or even better, what if they just pocket the money and other companies get a bright idea to have consumers subsidize their production costs ?
Sorry. Feeling overly cynical today. Maybe.
Figure between one and two million per episode, so a ballpark number for a season would be thirty million.
I wonder if three million is enough to buy out Berman's contract and get him to retire, which would really save Star Trek.
'Bigger Checks' preferably made out to 'Taco'
Yes, I have been inspired by Star Trek, but I do not work on space vehicles, or even pieces of them -- I wish I did.
Star Trek, and other Sci-Fi shows have influenced me since I was a small kid, with images of Captain Kirk and the Gorn duking it out. My Pop and I would watch, and have discussions of the future all throughout my childhood, adolescense, and (whatever excuse for) adulthood.
Trek is Trek, and I appreciate even Captain janeway and her personal issues to shows depicting people less interesting than I with their goofy friends.
Because of Star Trek (in any format), my goal is to help build the future.
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Later in the thread that the above post appears in it's explained that although the funds were not actually transferred to the campaign (can you imagine the Paypal fee on three million bucks?!), a contract was signed formalising the pledge, hence the reason for the delay in announcing the donation.
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.. a fool and his money are soon parted.
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"doner" reminds me of "boner" ...speaking of which, I have one, but not for this website.
donor, you assclowns. Use fucking spell-check.
We will have to see about that, when Season 4 starts and there is a big red "V" on the hull of the ship. The despised theme song at last is replaced with "Tubular Bells" (pronounced Chewbular Bells by Branson).
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
If the fans manage to cough up enough to pay for another season of Enterprise, does that mean it will air with no commercials?
Star Trek the Original series is where I first learned the word "computer" when I was a three year old (c. 1973). The next week I tried to build one using all my wind up toys, string and the legs of the kitchen table. My mom asked what I was doing and I said, "building a computer". It was an obsession that continues to this day. At that age, Star Trek posed the concept to me of a machine that could figure anything out and answer all my questions. What child wouldnt' be inspired by that?
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
This is the same stupid "argument" people use everytime someone is raising money for a cause they feel is less important than some other cause. If we followed your thought, we'd raise money only for the single largest problem on Earth (Cancer, AIDS, whatever) and ignore everything else.
If your cause has merit, people will choose to donate, but they should still feel free, and not-guilty, to donate to other things they care about.
from a philosophical standpoint i think that the donation is a good idea. why?
the trekkies really wanted another show, and the trekkies all got together and protested and raised money, and made some noise. it might not be an important cause, it might even be a stupid cause, but it was a cause, and they fought for it!
today's society (at least from my perspective) seems extremely apathetic about everything. even issues we have problems with, we tend to just ignore and shrug and figure either a) it's not worth it, or b) it'll fix itself eventually. people simply can't be bothered to make a statement. (or at least large numbers of people).
these trekkies made some noise and were noticed by some people who actually could make a difference. if nothing else, this might give people the motivation to speak up on a few other subjects, and perhaps get some recognition. (i know, my optimism is really pushing the barriers here...).
for those of you that want star trek to die: then don't watch it. no one is asking you to watch it or like it. it's out there for the people that want it.
"if only i had known i would have been a locksmith." -albert einstein
Yeah, but Taco also had to point out about the biggest doners. That's newsworthy in itself.. a $3 million doner.. tasty!
"Donors", not "doners".
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Hm... doughnuts
Of course, I should mention that this obviously turns up no errors. He could even have put a 'z' in there and nothing would happen. The Czech is in the mail!
Air it on PBS, the network that listens to all those crazy Dr. Who fans!
Star Trek has inspired us, and particularly Enterprise, with its superb theme song...
WTF?
(I agree with the sentiment of the song, but I really dislike the song itself.)
However, Enterprise is horrible... Voyager was bad... but Enterprise is REALLY bad. I know im really drawing straws between determining which one is worse... but that really is non releveant to the point.
The show was and is very terribly made and is even contradictory to what the intentions of gene rodenberys universe were. It's lost it's multi-culturalism, the founding principle and indeed the trademark difference star trek brought from it's very first iteration throughout the rest of it's tenure. "Enterprise" is nearly an all-white western crew with the exception of a black driver and a vulcan.
This is NOT the vision of our future Gene painted, and it is NOT star trek.
I understand the fans love this show for some strange reason, or maybe they simply love the Star Trek universe and will bear the burden of this worst incarnation just to keep it going... but i believe their efforts... and money.... would much better spent on getting paramount to create a new quality star trek true to its roots.
Abandon the scot bacula, the country western intro, the nearly all-white and all-western crap of a show theyve created, and return to what star trek was supposed to be.
If you havent forgotten, Trek was supposed to be about a HOPE for humanities united front against "the final frontier". At last mankinds differences werent as great as the difficulties in facing a diverse and strange universe beyond our little backwater pond of a planet.
This money should be spent creating a show with better writers, a better cast and crew, and something far more canon than they have been. I would much rather see the rise of anything at least on the level of deep space nine, than any continuance of this voyager "enterprise" drivel.
3 million could at least hire better writers, and change the cast.
Lastly, these guys hit it on the head when they said that star trek's important role in our society is inspiration, there is no doubt it's had a cultural impact of untold magnitude by instilling the grandest dreams in our children of decades ago to even now with the belief that we could at least try to make this great society of our future. An earth united, and the stars at our footsteps... let us not let it be so easily trampled upon by cheap writers and bad marketers.
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Just my 2c.
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From TFA:
...The people airing this kind of TV have a responsibility; inspiration. Star Trek has inspired us, and particularly Enterprise, with its superb theme song that tells so much about our struggle to move space travel forward and closer to the public...
Well. Now I get that theme song thing!
If fans raise the money to get the show made, who gets the ad money, future royalties, etc? If they made a DVD set, would any money be paid back to the people donating?
Your point might be valid in this situation if I felt strongly about it (which I do not), and really wanted them to shut down the "Star Trek" charity. Instead, even though I think there are better charities, I hope their strange effort works. As for guilt, it is their money. They can do what they want with it.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Am I the only one to wonder if these cheques will lead to sponsor driven stories and placement ads? If the creators care less about viewers and more about pleasing the sponsors, you wonder how the stories will go.
I think Star Trek deserves better than to become a big soapbox to advertise and push a particular agenda.
Star Trek deserves respect, let it die with dignity.
Look, the show sucked and deserved to get canned. If you just drop the pretense of 'trying to save a cool sci-fi show,' I bet that $3M could finance one hell of a porno starring Jolene Blalock in full Vulcan makeup-- she's the only reason all you dweebs want to save the show anyway.
to get good scripts? I've got my checkbook right here.
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Wow. These trekkies are more gullible than born again Christians who send money to televangelists. Let's say this 'open source' effort fails. Where does the money go? Somehow I picture two guys in the Bahamas under a pile of drunk women.
This isn't CNN, pal. Maybe you missed the "News for Nerds" caption under the slashdot logo. If I want to know about Iraq, Bush or the tsunami, I'd be reading CNN.com or something else.
Can't they do anything right?
First the editors are "bad people(TM)" for not finding dupes, and now they are "bad people(TM)" for clearly identifying them.
Give them a break, they are making it easier on all of us.
We no longer have to read half the comments before finding it out.
It is right there, front and center.
I for one welcome a future with no more "Editors are L4M3455 D00DZ" posts!
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Out of interest, did it run linux?
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So, you don't like "Enterprise" because of the skin color of the actors? So much for "not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character", even if the characters in this case are cardboard.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Why give the money to a large commercial entity that obviously could care less?
If you've got a few mil to spare, why not support (or start) some kind of independent production company that could create this kind of programming? Obviously, it couldn't be Trek (copyright issues), but as others have noted, there are already plenty of other non-Trek shows that are better for this anyway...
Cosmos is available on DVD.
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Perhaps they should change the slashcode to append "We reported on this a few days ago, but this has more info." to every story summary.
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The only way to explain this is that Captain Archer was sent here from the future to ensure the time line. He must convince some Trekkies that the Star Trek Universe will actually happen. Without a second season, Cochrane's grandfather will never buy the T'Pal doll that will later inspire Cochrane to finally finish college and develop the warp drive. Otherwise, there will be a fork causing an instability in the fabric of space and time, leading to a new show: Babelstar Androgenous.
I hate the theme song too, but I understand the message that it sends out. The spaceflight entrepeneurs have stated some very important things that we as a culture should consider. From Star Trek many things have been inspired by the show. I think Enterprise is getting really good this season, and it would be a shame to close it off without a fight. People want this show to live... I don't want to see it die either. That's why I donated my paltry $15, but hey, it'll pay that camera guy for 1/2 hour of his time. Star Trek has had a cultural impact on our lives, and it is a reflection of what we want to be as a culture and species.
"We think Star Trek and especially its latest incarnation, Enterprise is the kind of TV that should be aired more often."
I agree that I'd like to see more Star Trek and alikes in TV. But why on earth should it be "especially" the worst of all the five ST series?
If only those 3 millions would be used to create a sixth series that ties up to the mark TNG has set, instead of wasting them on the ENT crap.
I stopped watching Enterprise in the middle of the second episode I saw. They had a super advanced technology, female alien feeding 'rocks' to the much lower tech human engineer whose help was needed fixing their ship (sure). The engineer says something like, "They melt in your mouth." To which the alien replies, "We can't do water."
We can't do water?!
They can't find hydrogen and oxygen and combine? They can't find a comet and distill?
At that point I switched channels. Voyager suffered the same fate when they pulled a similar bit of nonsense Any program that is so blatantly ignorant of even high school science and so utterly disrespectful of it's audience as to exhibit such disregard is not deserving of my time or my support. It is also most emphatically also not deserving of the term 'science fiction'. It is space fantasy, nothing more.
Peter
"Cheque" is largely a British spelling. I've seldom seen an American bank call it anything other than a "check".
I would guess that Traveller's Cheques are so-called because they are largely used for international purposes, and America is in the minority in our spelling. For example, in French, the word is "cheque" as well. I would guess the other Romance Languages would likely be the same.
You're hanging out on the wrong website to be making fun of Star Trek. That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
You are raging back at a posting that was merely an opinion (and not a forceful one at that). I said earlier also that it was "their money". Just because I think there is something better to spend it on does not mean I want to STOP them from spending their money. I don't even want to see this charity stopped, either. I'm not even trying to lay a guilt trip, either: I have no idea what these "doners" spend thier other money on, and it is not my business either. I know it is their money.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Derivative and insipid? I couldn't get through the first half of season one, and I'm someone who thought season five of Babylon 5 was OK. The new Trek has far too many annoying characters. Captain Archer isn't fit to shine the shoes of Jack Bauer over on 24. Invader Zim would easily make a monkey of his filthy human ass.
The people responsible at Paramount think this is just a show and we want to tell them, it is not.
Yes it is, and not a very good one. If it's more than a show to you, you might want to look up the term "obsessive compulsive" or start watching Monk.
We are in the commercial space flight industry and would like to testify
Testify, brother, testify! :)
that at least one out of two of all the actual entrepreneurs involved in this industry has been inspired by Star Trek;
Well, speaking as someone in the military space industry, we kick your ass. :-) We just can't publish papers about our kung fu. Nothing do do with Trek. Just a little professional rivalry. ;-)
And anyway, if you really look at those people, they probably had plenty of other inspirations, or someone else would have done the same thing. History doesn't work that way. There's no point to point connections. All things must be considered. Didn't you people see The Butterfly Effect? Sheesh!
and we are not only good at watching TV sci-fi
Arrrh! And a hard earned skill that be, matey. Oops. Sorry. Lapsed into pirate mode there. Personally I think the five fingered exploding heart technique might be more useful in a tight spot, but, well, that's me.
, we are also good at writing checks, big checks.
Really big check! HUGE checks! We're talking lottery winner public relations kinds of checks! Hey, I've tried that one for years, pal. I'm single with a six figure income, but I can't get a media outlet to pander to me to save my life.
The people airing this kind of TV have a responsibility; inspiration.
No, they have a responsibility to pay their employess and investors (with big checks!). You want better television, appeal to the audience. If the audience demands better television, the industry will do it.
How come you folks don't just come over to the Stargate shows? There you have contemporary humans doing valiant battle with technological forces far superior to Earth. It's very Campbellian and even Heinleinian to an extent. Galactic war has just started on SG-1. It's really quite smashing! :)
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The next week I tried to build one using all my wind up toys, string and the legs of the kitchen table
Could it run Linux?
Here's a wacky idea... Don't post dupes! Don't disguise dupes that are reported as "follow-up" articles! CmdrTaco ADDED that note at the bottom while it was in subscriber-view mode.
Why don't they all pool their money together to make a new Star Trek series that doesn't suck, rather than support Enterprise; the reason why Enterprise is failing is because it's not a good show.
1. Cancel popular show.
2. Outraged fanboys pass the plate to pay for production.
3. PROFIT!
No. It ran Playskool Windup 1973. ;P
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
This was not a troll. I was being serious ffs.
So you're suggesting that we're not allowed to spend our money on fun stuff until people stop dying in the third world? Wow, it's going to be a long time before I can buy myself a video game, or a coffee, or some new clothes, or some music, or flowers for my wife, or toys for my children, or a chocolate bar, or ......
Saying that a series has low ratings and a decreased fan base is a little more than just making fun of a show, it is the cold harsh reality.
Making fun of it would be me saying that the first couple of seasons were obscenely corny and the plots are often boring to anyone other than the dedicated fanboi.
forget it.
Analysts still try to find out why the show was cancelled.
Just
The push behind this show is amazing. I'd have to say, seeing people donate to save a TV show is a definite first.
The question comes up, how do you truly save the show?
I believe the key to saving this show is put it on Sci-Fi Fridays along with Battle Star, Stargate SG-1 & Atlantis.
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I for one was begging for this show to be cancelled after the first few episodes.
And I don't hate Trek. I'm a huge fan of ST:TOS. I liked what little I saw of ST:TNG and ST:V. Never cared for ST:DS9 (Hey, let's sit here and wait for adventure to come *to us*!), but I know lots of people who did.
But ST:E? Feh! When the communications officer whined for the first couple of episodes, I thought, "Uhhh...aren't there a million qualified people who would *kill* for this post? Step down and get out of the way!" But when the captain (whom I loved in Quantum Leap and was really geeked about seeing in SF TV again) took his *dog* down to the first alien world they encountered...I just gave up.
This show blew chunks from the get-go.
Where were those big checks when Firefly needed them? Now *that* was some inspiring space TV. And a hell of a lot more entrepreneurial in spirit than the Treks.
And there's Chekov and Sulu, down the front, both driving, they both had steering wheels! Too many steering wheels... but you never saw them in the morning, when they came in to the starship Enterprise, going, "Oh, get the engine on, Chekov! It's fucking freezing in here! Boy!" (mimes starting up ship) You also never saw them backing up either, Chekov going... (mimes backing up) "Captain Kirk, put your head down a bit."
Yeah, but thats not what the AC was saying. He seemed to imply that star trek was not a newsworthy subject on slashdot. (which, considering it has it's own icon, would appear to be an incorrect assumption.)
Pledges are great, cash is better.
Fundraisers know that not everyone who pledges actually follows through. I wouldn't expect any network to revive Enterprise based solely on promises to send money. Cash in the bank would be more persuasive.
No matter what, I don't think we'll ever see Trek again on UPN. The network decided last year that they don't want the kind of audience Trek attracts. So, for Enterprise, status quo meant cancellation.
Better to redirect any collected cash to independent production and syndication or to the SciFi Network.
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Sounds to me like they want to fund the show so they can watch it at work instead of doing their job, and then claiming "we get inspiration from watching it, so we ARE working". Uh, yeah. Sure.
Like E.E. Doc Smith's Lensman series or a bilion other awesome scifi pulps that were popular when they were little.
Stop intellectual property from infringing on me
Regardless of the debates over the suckiness of "Enterprise", the opening of "Enterprise" seems to be a mozaic of aviations finer moments. I think footage of Space Ship One should be included--definately a milestone in mans quest for space and fitting to the opeing mozaic of Enterprise. Maybe get rid of the footage of the flying submarine thing and add Space Ship One.
Fans got the first shuttle named "Enterprise"--a great honor to a great show. The least the Star Trek producers could do is return the favor.
BTW: I'm not intersted in debating the suckiness of "Enterprise". Keep your "Enterprise sucks" comments to yourself please.
Travellers' Cheques are Cheques for the same reason Centers are Centres.
Puttin' on airs, they are. Bein' fancy-schmancy and actin' all important.
"Towne Centre" sounds so much more elegant than "Town Center," after all, doesn't it?
sheesh
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
Give me $3,000,000 and I'll let you watch me play Wing Commander over my shoulder. I'll even put on red pajamas with a golden pledge pin if it makes you happy.
Seriously, if you have $3M to blow on crap like this, you have about $3M too many dollars.
Where do I donate to KILL OFF Enterprise?!!!!
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
The song is absolutely horrible.
My friend and I were going to watch the pilot when it was first aired. As we were just sitting down, there was the intro on the grain field and everything. Then the song started, and we couldn't believe our ears! We were hoping for some kind of reincarnation of the TNG-song, but this just hurt, severly.
The song is one of the main reasons for me not to watch, but fortunately, there's always the "mute"-button on the cherished RC.
For $3M, I'd be demanding some measure of control. The Trek franchise isn't a charity ... it's a business. They should consider this an infusion of capital, and as such, it has strings attached.
The economics go well beyond just dumping in money to fund the creation of episodes. The studio has to arrange for a timeslot on someone's cable or broadcast network. The network execs have an expectation that they'll be able to draw N-million viewers to justify the advertising rates. Advertisers have to believe that folks will actually watch, or they'll put their money elsewhere. Sure, the studios could release stuff direct to DVD, but that doesn't support the recurring revenue model they want. The opportunity cost is too high - for a given amount of effort and expense, they want to maximize the return. Trek is a relatively expensive series to produce, so they have to expect that it'll have greater returns than something cheaper.
Enterprise may be doomed by the economics. Simply shoring it up with contributions probably won't save it. They'd need to make a serious set of changes to be successful, and I'm not convinced that the folks in control of the creative aspects are prepared to be told "sorry, but what you're doing now sucks."
Yes, well my thoughts were that 3M is a drop in the bucket in a studio TV series budget.
But it's still a lot of money, and if the donors are serious about promoting science fiction, they could do something really interesting with it.
Have you seen what people can do with fan films these days? The desktop technology is nowhere near as good as modern studio quality, but far superior to the production values of TOS. Of course the stories and direction are incredibly amateurish.
Now, what I'm thinking is, that could actually be fixed with a little money. You hire a real writer and a young filmmaker to use this technology to make a new science fiction series. You structure it as a serial like they used to show at the Satruday matinees. If you can hire one or two young unknown actors to anchor the series and fill out the ensemble with volunteers; if most of them are bad, it won't matter that much. You're aiming for freshness and energy.
Then you distribute your creation on the Internet.
People are doing stuff like this now out of their own pockets. I'm just saying add a dash of professional talent. The result couldn't be worse than a number of Voyager episodes.
Since you are using this to promote your industry, you can even work your company in. It would be like those BMW adds with Clive Owen.
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Or watching Battlestar Galactica, as it's all just an allegory for what's happening with the US and "terrorism" right now.
Now, how much are they going to pay me to watch it?
I watch Stargate-SG1 for free. So do a lot of other people. Some of them buy DVD sets. So many people watch Stargate-SG1 relative to its cost that they have a spinoff show, Stargate Atlantis. The fine folks at Stargate-SG1 are also going into Season Nine (a feat no Star Trek has ever achieved), with no cancellation in sight, despite having switched networks and being on a cable channel rather than broadcast (which AUTOMATICALLY means a smaller potential audience).
Enterprise does not need deep-pocketed donors to be a success. It needed more viewers. UPN/Paramount will not run a "subsidized" show not only because of the myriad rights issues, but because they can put something that could be more successful in the timeslot. They ALREADY KNOW Enterprise cannot draw an audience. It's worth the risk if they can get the next 'American Idol' or 'Desperate Housewives' in the slot instead.
The now-revived Family Guy had extremely robust DVD sales and a good syndication deal with TBS and Cartoon Network. Let's see how many people buy the Enterprise DVDs. If it's only the usual gang of sad anoraks(which it likely will be due to pricing alone*), Star Trek will be dead for a long long time.
For those of you arguing that Enterprise was 'screwed' by the network, I would ask why is it that a show with the #1 genre franchise name (Star Trek), starring a good actor with a fan following (Scott Bakula), on broadcast TV with a wide audience, failed? The short answer is: crap show.
Battlestar Galactica is based on a laughable cheesefest from 1978, is on cable, is a 'downer' show (mostly sad endings), and lacks a strong franchise fan following. Yet, is is very successful. Why? It's a good show with interesting scripts and good acting. No one EVER reverses polarities, engages in Temporal Cold War (whatever the fsck that is), or deals with spacial or temporal anomalies. Star Trek is giving its hardcore fans exactly what they want. Too bad everyone else is bored with it.
* If you want to buy the Original Series, Next Generation, or DS9 on DVD it's US$100 per season. Compare with Buffy/Angel at US$50 per season, and The Simpsons at US$40 per season.
Now bury it and move on already.
After I saw the first few episodes of season 1, I quit watching, disgusted, then I caught one of the season 3 episodes and have been hooked ever since, though season 4 is a hit and miss prospect at best.
1 season out of 4. Hmmm...
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You mean something like these guys: New Voyages? While the quality of the acting and story is debatable the authenticity of the sets and effects are quite stunning. :)
Why would you complain that someone pays for the entertainment they appreciate? A million dollars or so is not out of line with what the very rich might pay for other forms of entertainment over the course of a year. (Think about how much it costs to maintain a yacht, or a race car fixation.) In this instance, they happen to be willing to share the benefit of their bounty. By spending the money this way, rather than on some specific program like space camp, it has the potential to reach a much larger audience which includes people who don't already dream about space camp because "science is cool" is not part of their environment. It's not the only way the money could be spent, but that doesn't mean it's not a valid way to spend it. Other people make other choices.
Besides, what are the odds that UPN would fill the time slot with something better? From my point of view, at least it's not more reality programming or laugh-track sitcom.
I am a Star Trek fan. Not a hardcore one that dresses up like a klingon at night and looks in the mirror. But I still watched them while growing up and I can say that they were quite a positive influence in terms of interest in science, technology, and just good fiction in general. (TNG, DS9, Voyager) Enterprise, however, is not the same kind of show that inspired me as a kid. It just sucks...I'm pretty sure that it's not my nostalgia that prevents me from seeing Enterprise as a good show. It just sucks...
Here is a thought....if the fans were able to get enough money for Paramount to do a 5th Season it might give them incentive to take some risks (since it's not their money)
My wife and I were talking about this and she noted beyond ST, most of our other favorites shows were on HBO. HBO picking up ST would be the best thing that could happen. They could really push the episodes beyond where UPN could ever imagine. Really cutting edge stuff. I know its a dream and not going to happen but imagine how innovative they could be....
Really. What if they take the $3 million, make an episode, and it sucks. Or goes back into seasons 2 or 3? Or anything to do with Voyager?
A TV-studio (or movie) takes a chance and do it all the time. However, normal, everyday geeks shelling out money, are they prepared to take that big of a chance?
Another thought, what if the studio figure it's not their money, so let's experiment with the show and take it in a direction they normally wouldn't try?
Vip
Here is a link to a "spoiler" thread which this quote is taken from, and apparently the source is reputable.
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I guess that makes "Fnagaton(580019)" a typical American:
Always trying to impose their beliefs/ideas/Laws on everybody else.
I would use this money to make an original SciFi series released for free on the web and use a sort of creative commons license that would allow contributors to make derivative works or copy and sale or give away DVDs of the episodes...
Onward to the Aether Sphere!
it's a shame they're no good at spelling cheques
I just want to mention I am a huge Star Trek fan. And, it makes me so mad that none of the local station in Austin broadcast it. I have not seen one eposode of the new show, and there are no DVD out there because I would buy them if I could find them. Yeah, I know cable; at $60 a month, that is more than I can afford. I cannot help it that I am broke.
The people responsible at Paramount think this is just a show and we want to tell them, it is not.
Somebody's forgetting that television shows were developed not to entertain, but to keep people around for the ads. That has not changed for half a century, except in its sophistication.
These people exemplify the worst trait of science fiction TV show fans- they don't realize that it is JUST A TV SHOW. It's not a religion, or a philosophy. It's a TV show. Made by a business. Played out by actors.
Please help metamoderate.
For $3 mil, you could hire a *good* writer, and come up with a show that doesn't have to rely on stunt appearances from the cast of the last show.
Star Trek is done. It should have been buried with Roddenberry.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
ah, good. i haven't had kebap in a while, and i'm hungry.
I fail to see the connection, as the original story was developed over 20 years ago, but I'm all for anything promoting BSG. It's a wonderful series, I can't wait for the second season.
2. About how much money are we talking here?
Actor John Billingsley (Enterprise's Dr. Phlox) stated that the production of one Star Trek: Enterprise episode costs about $1.6m. For 22 episodes of a full season, this boils down to $35.2m
3. What guarantee do I have that the contribution is safe and legal?
....."All contributed money is used for sponsoring Enterprise; only transactional fees charged to us by payment systems and banks (set to a flat 5% because of the varying payment methods and individual fees) are deducted. Furthermore, all potential excess in fees will be donated to the American Tsunami Relief Fund. If no agreement can be made with Paramount, your contribution will be refunded to you."
They currently have a total of $3,070,745.00 US contributed to saving the show.
I personally welcome the continuation of the show as I believe it is getting better. Originally when it aired I wasn't really that interested. Now I'm hooked on it.
I don't get UPN so I can't watch it so I have to go online and download the latest episode via Bittorrent. THAT is probably why their viewer ratings were so low. Checking the torrent tracker for this one episode totals 42,769.
If Paramount would release even a semi-high quality episode even with the commercials included I would rather do that to show my support. Hell, if they had a subscription not priced overly extremed I'd do it.
Online viewing is definalty growing more and more if they like it or not. Perhaps they'll learn from RIAA's mistakes and release an online "pay-per-download" setup. I'd join.
I'm a virgo and on Slashdot. Coincidence? Yes.
Congrats, you are one of the people who precisely groked what is so wrong with ENT!
Seriously. Instead of trying to get Paramount to make a partial/whole season of episodes, why not try to get a miniseries which would tie up any dangling plot threads? Sort of like what was done with Farscape (and yes, I thought the Farscape miniseries was a poor substitute for another season of eps.)
With a miniseries, Paramount could limit their expenses vs. a whole season. Heck, they could plug it as "Enterprise is back on the air for a limited time" or whatever, and try to boost ratings that way.
The problem I see with doing an Enterprise miniseries is that it wouldn't be much different from what they're doing right now with the three-episode story arcs. What dangling plot threads are there now, in the post-Xindi Enterprise show?
The only thing I can think of right now is the unresolved relationship between Trip and T'Pol.
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What also boggles my mind is us paying millions of dollars to already rich media corporations. People often take the piss out of these companies for being profit-driven bastards. Why then pay them so they get richer from advertising royalties?
Surely, the money could be put to a more worthy cause.
The differences in British and American spelling are thanks to Noah Webster who decided to change the spelling of some words when he published "The American Spelling Book" in 1800. Both forms are now correct provided the writer is consistent.
I bet your mom repeats that story at least five times a year.
Given how unorthodox this whole situation is, if Paramount actually does produce another season it might be a good opportunity for them to try offering downloads. Looking at ISOHunt, the (frequently broken) torrent search engine, Enterprise is always in the top ten downloads. I wonder if perhaps that may be a signal that Trekkers might be a good market on which to try legal television downloads. If they made the episodes downloadable from Startrek.com (complete with commercials) the response might really be surprising.
I would certainly download the episode -even with commercials- providing the download was nice and fast. I would bet that since the download would be legal (and not complicated by having to use torrents) you would also see a much higher number of downloads then on the torrent sites, especially if they advertised its availability. It might even make up a bit for the slumping ratings. It would give Paramount some hard numbers to show their advertisers, and would not present much risk for Paramont since the fans are subsidizing the production.
Cool art gallery, if you're into that sort of thing.
And thus, the mighty Macintosh was born.
but sure as hell it wasnt star trek enterprise...
HI O WISE PRINCE. WHT TOOK U SO DAM LONG?
Any child born after, say, 1980.
Personally, I think this sucks. Paramount is a movie & TV monolith perfectly capable of financing this on their own if there is popular demand. If people care that much about a new Enterprise series, the solution is to apply pressure to Paramount with words, not money. If they still won't budge then start boycotting what they currently do.
This just demonstrates that throwing money at a problem is far easier to most people that getting up off their backsides and just taking direct positive action.
I wonder what sort of precedent this sets for the future - Joe Average funds the making of a movie/TV series as well as paying for cinema tickets/cable TV subscription and subsequent DVD release.
As Shatner said in the title of a recent book, "Get A Life!" - Paramount is taking you all for suckers and just sitting back reaping the profits...
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I agree with you, it was the series TNG, DS9 And Voyager that made me and alot of people in our generation hooked on Sci-fi, science and technology as a whole... Enterprise, for it attempt was good enough.. but it wasn't/isn't Trek as we all know and love.. It didn't (IMHO) have the original conceptor's true vision in mind. I hope that this new money can do somehing real for the series, as the campain to save the Original series did back in the 60's
I pledge to try and remember to start watching Enterprise on Friday nights, instead of just downloading the torrent the next morning...
No. She probably did when I was a teen and first started to play around with computers though. Now it's more like once every two or three years. ;P
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
Yeah. But they don't matter. They're green. ;P
(Just in case you are a humor challeneged reader and were born after 1980, I am using something called 'sarcasm'. ie. I didn't mean the above seriously.)
Actually, I'm quite surprised to find that there aren't that many people in my generation (1965-1970) who are heavily involved with computers. It just doesn't make sense.
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
....were these guys when Farscape ended?
Criminey, all that effort to save a 2nd-rate Trek series, and nothing for one of the best SF series since Bab5 ended.
It would seem to me that the attempts at paying for the season directly is a bit odd and unlikely to succeed. Wouldn't efforts be better directed towards finding high tech companies that would advertise on Enterprise?
Richard Branson could drop lots of bucks promoting his latest ventures in 30 second spots. Maybe Scaled would spend some money to attempt to promote Aerospace careers in the hopes that more people would get into the field and long-term it would be a plus for the company.
Seems to me that the efforts should be working with the existing business model, not creating a new model.
Besides, you can throw all the money in the world at the show, and it won't make more people watch it. Low ratings are low ratings.
If that is true, the Roddenberrys should sue Berman and Braga for defamation of character.
Say what you will... at least I learned how to share early on whic probably explains why I use Free/Open software now. Any kid on the block could have asked for time on my compute cluster and I would have been happy to give it.
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
I hope this will turn out better than the time people gave Rusty a sack of money so he could continue running Kuroshin!
... just put down the stick, and call a garbage collection agency.
I like to place meaningful quotes in my sig, so people will know that I know what meaningful quotes are.
"Star Trekkin' across the universe, On the Starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk. Star Trekkin' across the universe, Only going forward 'cause we can't find reverse. Lt. Uhura, report. There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow; there's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, Jim. Analysis, Mr. Spock. It's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain. There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow; there's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, Jim. Star Trekkin' across the universe, On the Starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk. Star Trekkin' across the universe, Only going forward, still can't find reverse. Medical update, Dr. McCoy. It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead, Jim; it's worse than that, he's dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead. It's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain. There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow; there's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, Jim. Starship Captain, James T. Kirk: Ah! We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill; we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men. It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead, Jim; it's worse than that, he's dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead. Well, it's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain. There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow; there's Klingons on the starboard bow, scrape 'em off, Jim. Star Trekkin' across the universe, On the Starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk. Star Trekkin' across the universe, Only going forward, and things are getting worse! Engineer, Mr. Scott: Ye cannot change the laws of physics, laws of physics, laws of physics; ye cannot cahnge the laws of physics, laws of physics, Jim. Ah! We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill; we come in peace, shoot to kill; Scotty, beam me up! It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead, Jim; it's worse than that, he's dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead. Well, it's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it; it's life, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain. There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow; there's Klingons on the starboard bow, better calm down! Ye cannot change the script Jim. Och, #!*& Jimmy. It's worse than that, it's physics, Jim. Bridge to engine room, warp factor 9. Och, if I give it any more she'll blow, Cap'n! Star Trekkin' across the universe, On the Starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk. Star Trekkin' across the universe, Only going forward 'cause we can't find reverse. Star Trekkin' across the universe, On the Starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk. Star Trekkin' across the universe, Only going forward, still can't find reverse." -- The Firm (Lister/John O'Connor) Star Trek was once great, but it's time is over. Let it die now. Enterprise is a pox on the Star Trek franchise and it is time to bury it. Someday other great sci-fi's will come and build a new inspiration for future generations of humankind.
Star Trek has inspired us, and particularly Enterprise, with its superb theme song that tells so much about our struggle to move space travel forward and closer to the public, this inspiration is so self evident, that Virgin Galactic has ordered a 5-sub orbital ship fleet from Scaled Composites, a 100 million dollar investment, and the first one being built is going to be christened 'VSS Enterprise.' Now doesn't that ring a bell in Paramount's ears?
Well I'm glad someone likes the theme song..
Their responsibility is to "increase shareholder value".
Proof: They get fired if they don't do that.
"Not inspiring" is not a firing offense.
..just do me a favor, put it on on a night when it might actually do well. Friday isn't it...SCI-Fi channel's current line up ensures death on any other sci-fi show put on up against it.
Currently I watch the Sci-fi channel line up and tape enterprise.
I would hazard to say that Monday or Tuesday would be a much better night for Star Trek.
It got the boot from the 8pm wenesday slot because it would not have survived against "LOST"...however I don't think UPN fully apprecited the SCI-Fi channels Friday night line up...or perhaps they just didn't care! I think they intentionally tried to ditch the show this season. It started nearly a month and half late. Showed 6-7 eps and then immediately began rerunning them...not the way to biuld or maintain loyalty.
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
Nah! No one cares about that Star Dreck shit anymore. All the fanboys have moved on to that new Battlestar Galactica.
So the guys with the money are "doners". Is that like "goners"? Should we be sending flowers to the family? Or a spell-checker to Slashdot?
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Reality is for those folks who can't handle science fiction.
(An awful lot of progress in this world, and not just in space flight, has been made by people inspired by science fiction in general and Star Trek in particular. You hear it over and over and over again.)
Many will consider this a flame, but I hope it can cause at least one person to step back and reflect.
It's a television show! Keep your priorities straight. My daughter is 2 1/2 and is going for a bone marrow transplant in a few weeks -- she has a 40%-50% chance. Flip a coin. She is not unique -- there are extremely sick kicks all across the country, the world.
Yet this organization is raising millions of dollars so that the faithful can watch another season of Star Trek?
Many of you are talented people and have much to offer and I am sure that many of you do, but let's keep things in perspective.
How can you make a difference?
Get back to the bridge at once No.2 and stop hanging on that ridiculous slashcomma website! That is an order.
Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.
Gosh, I know people who are into TV are stupid, but you shouldn't be calling them morons like that- it'll ruin their self esteem, and then they'll never get any dates!
Where's my donation fund to bring this one back? Perhaps when the movie comes out some clueless TV exec will think it will make a great show and make them an offer? Here's hoping.
-- I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. It's not my fault that life sucks so much. --
OK, yes a troll or flamebait; but really Enterprise is one of the worst startreks, Janeways nasal whine was annoying from day one (must be something about the material tho, cos the actress was really good in the shield, wtf?)... good riddance I say; their milking the franchise to death; I think startrek needs a break for a few years then get in a someone who will renew it and maybe give it a new spin... it's just got a bit stale, sorry!
I have an idea for a new Star Trek Series. It's a reality show where fans compete in outrageous and embarrassing games to become cast members in an upcoming Star Trek series. At the end, producers will admit to them that there is no upcoming series, and they just wanted to see how stupid they could get trekkies to act.
That's Bigboo TAY! TAY!
Enterprise is a half assed show, but it does have its good parts but they only crop up from time to time. Angel on the other hand was one kickass good show one of the best even, how come no one gave 3 mil to it?? fuckin Enterprise Next Gen and DS9 for life!!!!!
It's sad to see how many people are struggling to simply survive in this day and age. Should I really be impressed with people who donate their riches towards funding a television show? Are they suggesting that inspiration, and thus science and education, will really die without this particular television show? Is human progress going to whither because of the cancellation?
If we want to ensure inspiration and progress, perhaps that money would be better spent towards textbooks or computers or food.
What happens to the money if they decide NOT to put the show back on? TrekUnited founders get a hefty bonus?
No I haven't.
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
"The Czech is in the mail"... bad example. Without the z becomes "Cech" which wouldn't pass a spell check. But I'm glad others noticed CT's spelling error.
The opening credits do have the HMS Enterprize, the British warship. In addition, the social climate of the United States throughout the hey-day of NASA dictated that the majority of faces of aero- and astronautical progress would be of persons of European lineage. As NASA gives away film footage like candy to pro-space franchises such as Star Trek, this prior social order is reflected in the opening credits.
I personally have always felt the Star Trek franchise is more oriented towards "exploration" and general scientific curiosity.
I'd just like to point out that time in Enterprise's first season when they landed on a "rogue" planet that had escaped it's sun and therefore was in permanent darkness.
They landed in a JUNGLE full of PLANTS with LARGE LEAVES.
These people should have had a tad more scientific curiosity in highschool biology when the teacher explained what leaves are for.
I mean, nitpicking is one thing, but damn, people, follow through on the logical conclusions of "no sun"!
You can't take the sky from me...
I might borrow this sometime wheen I need a quick round into the barrel
Is it a rule, that there's an exception to every rule?
Why is slashdots homepage coming up with bars and side menus but no stories half the time?
Although I suppose on balance, what with the crap they're passing off as "news" these days (bullshit battery extenders "invisibility shields" that are nothing of the kind, and endless dupes) a blank page isn't really any less informative then the articles are.
These people exemplify the worst trait of science fiction TV show fans- they don't realize that it is JUST A TV SHOW. It's not a religion, or a philosophy. It's a TV show. Made by a business. Played out by actors.
Does it have to be?
Does it have to be just a television program? Can't it grow into something more? Can't it be a movement? Can't it be a means to spreading a message of hope and logic and tolerance?
Star Trek was all these things, once. Paramount has been letting Rick Berman kill all of that, they want it to be a cash cow, not a symbol.
I thought they'd suceeded in killing it, but those campaining fans seem to still feel "it".
You can't take the sky from me...
Star Trek had ratings comparable with "Walker, Texas Ranger" when they were both on. Give it up.
but this is more info about the largest doners.
What have kebabs got to do with it?
The Temporal Cold War was my favorite arc, however I didn't like the Xindi arc. It was totaly 9/11 replica. The Temporal Cold war was promising arc, you had misteriuos Daniels, you had the Tholinas non-humanoid race with advanced technologies and the Sulibans all of them competing in that Cold War it was really interesting. I know my spelling was wrong :)) I am not an enlgish speaking guy :)))
Sorry to just go and reply to the first post, which I'll probably do as AC anyway, but here goes:
Disclaimer:
I've never seen the show.
I haven't seen any trek since TNG, when it was showing in first run, regular TV. I found it a pretty decent show. Likable, but I can't say I got too upset when it ended.
Three million dollars raised to save a television show?
Jesus Christ.
It's only television, folks, a show that would seem to be unviable, not some kid who needs a kidney operation and can't afford it or a village whose hospital got wiped out by a tsunami. The people on the show are actors. They'll get other jobs. The writers will write other stories. Life will go on.
I know this will look like a troll to a lot of you, but I'm really being sincere. I'm really, honestly horrified. That's why I have to write this.
Step back a minute and ask yourself why this show matters to you. Why would you take a chunk of cash and use it to try and keep some program, a program that you've already paid for, on the air? Isn't there *something* better that you could be doing with your life.
How deep in debt are you at the moment?
There is so much going on in the world right now. So many things you are missing.
(I'll assume you're missing them, otherwise I couldn't imagine how you'd give a fuck about some television program that most of you'll admit isn't really that good.)
While you sit in front of the television, your country is changing, and you've given it your tacit approval. The rest of the world is watching as America spreads a wave of horror upon everything it touches. You watch your television for 3 hours a day, but somehow come away knowing less than you did before you started.
Please, unplug your television. Sell it. Cancel your cable. That $30 a month or whatever you pay will buy you a cheap plane ticket once a year. Go somewhere. Do something. See something. Form your opinions of people in foreign countries by meeting those people and talking to them, rather than by parroting something you heard on The Simpsons.
Your life is way too short to waste it watching *any* television.
For the love god, what the hell is wrong with people.
Here's a suggestion for anyone who has thought about donating to this madness
When punk rock is outlawed, only outlaws will have punk rock.
Granted, I like Enterprise and all, especially now that the show is actually getting good this season
;-)
;-)
Good grief! Why did you like it before???
(and not to forget about T'Pol's boobies
Oh! Sorry to have bothered you
You can't take the sky from me...
The problem isn't that the lyrics are bad-- it's that they're there.
//Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
IMHO, X-Files went to crap because they started focusing on all the things that made the show great. In the old days, most episodes were unrelated cases with this occasional alien/government/conspiracy in the background and a bit of sexual tension between the main characters. These elements in moderation made it more interesting. Toward the end the conspiracy became the ONLY thing they focused on and since resolving the mystery would end the show, they were stuck with the awkward situation of chasing the conspiracy ad-nausium. Other shows have failed for similar reason: Ally McBeal IMHO was entertaining with these sometime quirky characters. When they decided that's what made the show good, they concentrated on those aspects until the characters were all a bunch of freaks. Star Trek gets on shakey ground whenever they focus too much on nifty "tech" or ongoing story lines. And of course Happy Days failed the same way by focusing on Fonzies coolness by having him "jump the shark". Anyway, it's not how long a show runs, IMHO it's when they start focusing on the good elements too much that it goes to crap. I suppose that happens when the writers can't think of any new story ideas. Hmmm.
We are in the commercial space flight industry and would like to testify that at least one out of two of all the actual entrepreneurs involved in this industry has been inspired by Star Trek; and we are not only good at watching TV sci-fi , we are also good at writing checks, big checks.
So, that puts the number of "actual entrepreneurs" in the "space flight industry" somewhere between three and six, worldwide. Hmmm. How inspirational can something be if it only inspired three people, and only six people in the world do it anyway?
In the extreme, they can get together and buy the rights to Enterprise from Paramount and Gene's estate and put the show on themselves. But they'll still have the problem of finding people to watch it. They'll get a bump when the first few episodes come out, just from curious viewers who want to see if the show is any good, but if it isn't, they'll go away just like they have gone away already.
WHAT?
First ballistic missile: Germans
First orbitting artificial satellite: Russians
First animal in space: Russians
First animal to survive reentry: Russians
First Man in space: Russians
First Woman in space: Russians
First robot lander on the moon: Russians
First "once around the moon": Russians IIRC
First robot on mars: I think russians...
Unless you define "major achievement" as including the word "american" after that "first" bit, you are extremely ignorant. If you do, you're just plain jingo.
You can't take the sky from me...
Then why weren't these "big contributors" purchasing advertising spots to run with Enterprise? That would make more sense. It's all about money to the network execs anyway... Show gets lots of advertiser interest, show stays on air. Show doesn't get advertisers, show goes away.
Let's hope that the commercial wormhole industry comes to the rescue if Stargate SG1 gets canceled.
People have (aha!) different opinions!
Some people like the show and watch it every week. Some would prefer writing documentation to having to sit through an episode. What a shocker that we can differ.
I missed most of the first season but I've watched every episode I could since, and I really like Enterprise. No, it's not TNG, nor DS9 (my favorite, tied w/Enterprise but come on, we all know you can't really beat DS9), and it's not TOS or Voyager either. Before it came out, what I heard was "something like Starfleet academy" and "meeting Klingons." More or less, that's what it's delivered. GEFM.
So for all you "I hate it, therefore it sucks and these people should get lives," types, please just don't watch it, and let the rest of us keep our show.
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I am so sick of this red herring fallacy. There is always something more worthwhile to spend our money on. How can the government give money to the military when our schools and hospitals are so desperately in need of cash?
Well, that's perfectly logical: Bad schools mean the kids have no choice but to join the military, and what with a lot of 'em getting blown to bits in exotic locales, well there really isn't much point to funding the hospitals.
You can't take the sky from me...
Though I love the new Battlestar Galactica, ST is much different, much more inspiring, much grander and in a way believeable. I've watched them all (even early DS9 and some voyager), even though I used to hate it.
Figured I'd donate just by posting my positiveness about the new enterprise show, which I only caught onto this year. UPN comes in fuzzy and dark near us, even on cable, the quality looked low, so it didn't interest me... until I downloaded every single episode from bittorrent networks, and caught up with what I missed. It truly was getting much much better near the very end! So don't let it end just yet, let it end as a finished chapter in a long story, not like losing the book in the middle of reading.
Does it have to be?
Does it have to be just a television program? Can't it grow into something more? Can't it be a movement? Can't it be a means to spreading a message of hope and logic and tolerance?
Thus begins the first steps toward the Church of Trek.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
this show sucks!
When the studios are catering to the advertisers, the shows are, hum, bland, and that's why they lose viewers.
I bet if the show was 50% funded by contributions, not only would the authors be able to say to the advertisers: We are making the show people actually want to watch, they would also attract better advertisers, because they would realise that there is a serious fanbase that's willing to pay good money for what they want (and that's who advertisers are trying to reach in the first place).
I also think that show writers will spend a little more time getting ideas and feeling the waters from the forums rather than in the board rooms, the quality of the show will skyrocket. And the fanbase will grow as well.
I also wonder whether they could then do some non-advertiser shows, meaning, show a 58 minute show instead of 40 minutes cut every eight minutes by commercials. I would watch that show. I would. I enjoyed the first remake with stewart, and saw many. Lately, though, can't stand the commercials and the poor acting. (send your actors to Shakespearean schools dammit!)
"Piter, too, is dead."
At this risk of being redundant, I'll bite.
Until you consider the demographic that Enterprise caters to. Enterprise is on at the same time Stargate SG:1 is on. Sure one can watch Enterprise first and watch Sci Fi's repeats of SG-1, Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica, but that is for the well informed. If it is just the average joe they then have e to pick one show over the other.
It will never happen (but I can dream can't I) but it would be great if Sci Fi picked up Enterprise and threw it on the Friday night line up. again it would never happen (Sci Fi owned by Universal VS the United Paramount Network (UPN)) but that would be the most logical.
Staying in my little dream world though, Enterprise would take a cut in their budget if it did move to Sci Fi...
All the fanboys have moved on to that new Battlestar Galactica.
You mean the sickos who have moved to that.
-- Win2k: "It's not so much that it's only 65,000 bugs, it's just that they stopped at 65,535 to prevent an overflow."
I don't know what you're all complaining about, that Vulcan chick has some nice breasts; though it looks like she's lost weight, and hence, breastage as of late. Hmmm. I wonder what Gene would think about that.
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
Is Star Trek moving to PBS now?
The better option is not to give the money, but invest it. That way, the fans have a conduit for expression. Now they can continue this subpar TV show without remorse, and hope they can get more 'donations' in the future. Star Trek Telethons, anyone?
Do you pronounce cheque as "check-kay" or "check-kwah?"
And you forgot "first space station".
Damn!
I actually had an argument with my high school english teacher about it, too!
You can't take the sky from me...
Reveals something really disturbing: http://www.saveenterprise.com/3m_contribution.htm If you are trying to fight the people who are cancelling the show.. Then why the hell on the right hand side is there amazon.com advertisements. Kinda seems oxymoronish IMHO. Why push product for the people you are trying to go against. Is this the new marketing. I know its not the siteowners fault but its ironic. Its like a Anti-Tobacco ad then seeing advertisement links for "Buy Marlboro packs cheap here!"
There's no Freedom like UFP-dom
Mars 6 did land a vehicle in 1973, but it never sent back any useful data.
Did it send back data at all?
You can't take the sky from me...
rich people are trying to force a company to air what they want, regardless of what the majority viewers want.
Isn't that nice.
Oh wait, this is ST:Enterpoop, never mind.
of course if Bill Gates paid to keep 'Friends' on the air, mu comment wuold have been modded to +5 faster then you can say "Hypocrite".
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All you're interested in is making season after season, whether it's any good or not. Why don't you concentrate on making one GOOD season rather than half a dozen crap ones? You're never going to have enough good material to fill that many episodes up, so you just end up spreading it thinly. Just look at typical US sitcoms, like Friends (400000 episodes, 12 jokes), or Star Trek (3000 episodes, 2 plots).
A better way to do this, rather than to raise a load of money then make a programme, would be to come up with some decent scripts, and then get the money to make them. Doing it this way probably means you'll end up raising a load of money, getting them to make the programmes and finding out they're crap that they threw together just because someone else was paying and they got the profit.
I'm probably too late in the discussion to get any responses for this, but has anyone asked the question of will Paramount even agree to it? Meaning, even if the required ~$36M or so is raised to cover the production costs, Paramount/UPN/whoever else still needs to agree to produce and air another season. Have they already agreed? If not, who's to say they will?
I never liked the theme song. Didn't require an orchestra, required a singer. I could swear I'd heard the song before, too. Maybe it was written to sound familiar.
I managed to watch the first season; maybe the second. Most of my dorm at the time watched it. But it isn't very captivating. Reduce the max warp speed, take out transporters, allude to the prime directive of the other series, and you basically have the other series. This one offered nothing new or interesting.
Star Trek has never really been about social commentary. Well, maybe the original series was in a couple of places. TNG was a fan of pop psychology. I missed out on DS9 thanks to poor and shifting timeslots. Voyager was unique in the doctor, the "nowhere near home" premise, and the 2-crew origin, but ultimately, the series completely forgot how it started. In none of those series did they need to stop and the end of the episode and tell people "you need to be more tolerant of people with AIDS." Thanks, but I'm sure I can find my own copy of Aesop's fables.
When I had first heard about Enterprise and how it was taking place before the other series, I had hoped for a series without universal translators, shields (AKA polarizing hull plating), and all the comforts of life the cronologically later series enjoyed. But for the most part, it's the same setting, just without any restrictions on how it needs to fit in with the Star Trek canon.
All the money in the world can't save it. Put down your petitions, signs, and Klingon costumes and move on to other more important and worthwhile issues. Unlike Peter Pan, we all have to grow up sometime.
"Did you hear that "whoosh" sound? That was the joke, going past you, at Warp Speed!"
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I cant believe 3 nerds donated 3mil for a stupid tv show to stay on the air... there are better things they could of done with 3mil, like charities.. but no they need their nerdy shows /rolleyes.. people are stupid what can I say?
I do not think it is a good idea to donate to a "for profit" thing without strings attached. It leads to dangerous precedents. What is to stop Paramount next time from deliberately cancelling a show to make the fans pay for more, even if it is not a budget nor a ratings issue? This breaks the system.
The point is that ratings is suppose to drive the people at Paramount to make a good show, if they don't make one that is good to gain the ratings and viewership of the fans, then they don't get the money to continue. And if they are good with the show, then people will watch, advertisers will pay, and Paramount gets rewarded with money for a job well done.
To give them money despite the low ratings might do more harm than good. It is like "Wow, if we do a bad job, we will still get money. Let's not do anything." I don't think that is right. Also, if you really believe that Enterprise is good, then watch it and give good ratings, send fan mail, call your TV station (or UPN directly); but don't give them free money without strings attached. Doing so will lead them to take advantage of you to "charge you more" and raise prices.
I've been a strong fan of Star Trek since watching reruns of TOS on Sunday morning, and I really wanted to like Enterprise. I even managed to put aside my deeply rooted Bakula aversion and that I believed that the idea of a prequel was flawed from the onset. I sat through the a good portion of the first season to give the show a fair shake. I really tried, but I hate Enterprise. The plots are recycled, the characters are paper thin (sorta like T'Pol's catsuits), and canon is out the window. I'm sure this goes against popular opinion here, but I for one will be glad when it's off the air. I desperately want another (good) Star Trek series, but Enterprise is not it and never has been. As for the new Galactica series, I have to say I enjoy it, but then I was never a fan of the original.
Star Trek: The Apology!
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TV cost too much to air and not at least break even, much less loose money hand over fist.
"Can't it grow into something more? Can't it be a movement? Can't it be a means to spreading a message of hope and logic and tolerance?"
sure, if you get good writing, plots, acting, and don't screw with the mythos. Or better, create a new original mythos.
Sadly, it CAN be a cash cow, but Rick Berman has no idea hot to create something good...or original.
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"Star Trek has inspired us, and particularly Enterprise, with its superb theme song that tells so much about our struggle to move space travel forward and closer to the public"
The show is finally statring to get good, but the theme song? Superb? Give me a break! This thing has got to be a hoax.
The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain
He hates it.
Spoilers coming up...
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TNG's Riker and Troi are in 1/3 of the episode, on the Enterprise-D's (yes, D, the one that got wrecked in Generations more than a decade ago) holodeck watching some sort of 'historical record' of the NX-01's mission. Trip Tucker dies at the end of the story... well, series.
This is what Rick Berman has described as a "valentine" to the fans. Well, I didn't even get a card on Feb 14th, but that's still better than being fucked up the ass!
You must think in Russian.
The giveaway:
"...and particularly Enterprise, with its superb theme song..."
Come on, someone is extracting the urine.
I was going to give $100 to the Tsunami victims, but if Enterprise needs some money to make the next season, I'm wondering if I shouldn't give to the 'Save Enterprise' group instead.
Would I still get the tax deduction for charitable donations?
It should be canceled. It's just starting to get good. Heck the even finally explained the Klingon head ridges being gone in Kirk's era. The show is really starting to take off. They're just not giving it a fair chance. DS9 didn't really start to get good until it's 4th season and it held on for 7 seasons.
---- "Excuse me. Where's the children's gun section?"
I think most people are choosing to do exactly that--not give any money. It's okay to talk about why we're not giving money.
I'm choosing to do that for a good reason: I'd get nothing for my donation. When I donate money to my local community radio station, a far more cash-poor outfit than Viacom, I get a t-shirt or a CD. Gifts like these are small but nice (this is a common way for the organization to say thanks to their donors). Even though my community radio station is incorporated, I get something far more valuable for my contribution: I become a member of the station. I volunteer there and I can rise as far in the station's hierarchy as I wish to go. I can make important station decisions as I dedicate more of my time and effort there. Anyone in the public can come to periodic meetings where everyone (who isn't on-air) goes to meet and discuss station issues. This is unusual--corporations are built to deny democratic access.
Quite the contrary is true of donating to a multinational corporation like Viacom. You'll get nothing in return for your donation (not even a DVD copy of the episodes you helped to make possible--considering how few people are donating, this would cost virtually nothing to supply). As a producer, you'll have to see the shows you funded with ads as they run on TV the first time. In exchange for paying the production costs, you won't control the copyright to the episodes (even jointly with all the other donors).
So when the revenue from DVDs and syndication dries up, you will have no power to relicense the shows you paid for. This means you can't relicense the shows under, say, a Creative Commons license where others can non-commercially share and enjoy the show, or build on it so long as they share their work under the same terms you shared your sponsored work with them ("ShareAlike").
This donation effort is apparently run by people who don't seem to understand the wisdom behind not treating a corporation like a charity. They also don't seem to get that when you pay for something to be produced you get more control over the result. Considering all the additional revenue Viacom makes from Star Trek (merchandising, for instance), which apparently Viacom would be allowed to keep, it becomes clear that these donors aren't so much donating to keep Enterprise going as they are donating to keep Viacom going.
Digital Citizen
I am being sarcastic. This is a stupid idea simply because it is going to set an evil precedent. Some exec somewhere is going to get the idea that fans should financially support television shows and next thing you know our cable/satellite bills will have a subsidy or a "content delivery" fee on them with that money funnelling back to the network execs.
If I start paying to help produce the shows I watch then I want 59 minutes of show and 1 minute of commercials not 40 minutes of show and 20 minutes of commercials like it is now. (That one minute is so I can run to the bathroom if necessary).
When you get down to it, this view makes sense. The rich can't get richer if not for the patronage of their customers/clients/whatever who for the most part are generally the less fortunate.
If the show was any good then they would continue it.
This is just like all of those people who bitched and complained about the Montreal Expos moving to Washington. If all of those people had given a damn and shown up at the ballpark then the Expos would have stayed a viable team.
If the show was good enough to attract enough viewers and generate enough revenue then it wouldn't have been canceled.
at Warp Speed!
That is cuter.
You can't take the sky from me...
Point is, though, the producers think it's the greatest thing ever. With the exception of Manny Coto, who's the one behind the well-liked episodes this season, everybody else thinks the show up till now has been just grand. Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, the two guys who have been running the show completely since DS9 ended, honestly believe that the first three years of the show are quality entertainment.
Another case in point: Berman is apparently working on a script treatment for Star Trek XI with some guy who produced the Inspector Gadget movies for Disney (including the direct to video sequel). In an interview he gave on this subject, Berman said that Nemesis was a great movie and he can't understand why it did so poorly. Perhaps that was because it was in fact an AWFUL movie, and he's gotten it into his head that he can do no wrong. He and Braga were saying the same thing about Enterprise when it was about to be canned last time around. It's still pretty mediocre, but at least Manny Coto sees the flaws and listens to the fans.
These are the voyages of the starship Uninspired.
Its continuing mission:
To beat strange, old horse corpses.
To seek out banal plotlines and bad characterization.
To horribly fuck up that which has not been this horribly fucked up before.
(Cue Alexander Courage theme played through a toy synthesizer)
How is this off topic? The parent poster is stating that the fact that this might even happen has show the how pathetic the human race is. Imagine what could be done with 3 million dallors. Perhaps in actually space travel R&D.
So after your first computer didn't work out, you tried to build Spock?
Arent people tired of watching the same ideas over and over again? I mean,they always use the same themes,no originality whatsoever.They always have an intriguing or wannabe special character like spock,data,7 of 9, odo, and now hum!!! another vulcan with breasts...if we follow that pattern we'll end up with another start trek series with another androidm but this time he' going to have human emotion and will want to revert back to simpler equation while battling cowboys rangers on a fifth dimension wormhole created by too much warp engine. It's all the same, give it a rest FOREVER! It was good but it's gone,,,no more return of the dead series pleaasse
You are either not a USian or an idiot. The American spelling (for use in US publications) is check. American Express calls their traveler's checks "Traveler's Cheques" for reasons of affect.
Arguing that, based on comparisions with other Sci-Fi series, Enterprise does not deserve to be continued, is missing a vital point. Sci-Fi is an aspect of Star Trek, but not what makes it great television.
Star Trek depicts humanity in pursuit of its highest ideals: discovery, technology, and civilization.
How many TV shows offer such a hopeful vision of the future of humanity? And do so with a primary basis that isn't depressing (Earth invaded/ruined, widespread depravity, etc.)?
Frankly, I don't keep up with television other than Star Trek, but I doubt there is any television show that provides such a truly positive feedback loop for society. That is what makes Star Trek so great. That is why it is so important that Star Trek carry on.
they show the international space station in the intro. besides, who's to say that the space shuttle and early warp ship shown in the intro are american?
..... kris
"I thought I could organize freedom. How Scandinavian of me."
Someone please explain to me why Andromeda is still on the air...
Fans, Trekkies,
Trekkers, lend me your Spock ears;
I come to bury Enterprise, not to praise it.
The crap that men write lives after them;
The good episodes are oft recorded with the bad;
So let it be with Enterprise.
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
Goof thing you said after
No. But, when I finished soldering my Sinclair ZX-80 together in 1981 and I typed:
"What is the circumference of the world?"
at the prompt and got "SYNTAX ERROR", I knew something was wrong. I shudder to think that if Google existed back then, I never would have gotten into computers as much as I have now because I COULD have asked that kind of question and gotten some responses. I suppose I would have wound up focusing on other interests (electronics, kite building, mechanics, etc...)
-"...bad old ideas look confusingly fresh when they are packaged as technology" - Jaron Lanier (Digital Maoism on Edge.o
Star Trek will return once again, without the need for donations.
Star Trek is a way of life.
/end hippie rant.
There's morals and values in Star Trek that the rest of the world could gain a lot from.
I've NEVER been much of a trek fan but I respect the show more and more the older I get.
The way that the characters and infact entire human race behave on the show in regards to all bettering humanity
You don't see picard in the ready room haggling for a wage increase.
You don't see the characters over-obsessed with material items.
This is a little off topic but this planet (in my opinion) is being effectively "raped" for resources.
The humans are marketed to, we love our material items, we are wasteful, we don't recycle.
The majority of our "life dreams" is to own a home / have a family, maybe a boat and a bigass sports car.
We don't seem to care about mother nature, hurting other people and other such things.
The people rewarded in life are the greedy ones, the marketers, the stockholders, the CEO's etc
The people REALLY furthering the advancement of humanity, the people in labs trying to help with cures for diseases, charity workers, scientists trying to work on sustainable renewable energy things like that - are they rewarded?
This planet is essentially a nasty evil place (at times and in some ways, not all the time of course)
As i've slowly realised this the last 24 months and seen the world for what it is, things like Star Trek stick out in my mind as something we as humans could all learn from.
ALL races ALL working together to help each other and help US as HUMAN beings in our LONG TERM survival and betterment, NOT just corporation X or country Y generating X revenue or having spending up 3% etc
So while Star Trek appears dorky to some (and i've always said that myself) I truely can appreciate the show's values far more than most television aired.
Disclaimer:
Yes, there's many generalisations it's to get the point across, I don't mean anyone and everyone is evil or does / doesn't recycle or live with good values.
I also certainly know star trek doesn't always live to perfect values, but generally the peaceful harmonious and positive lives led by the characters on the show is really how things SHOULD be here if humans are to actually ever get anywhere.
For all the work these Trekors do for us......I figured......it was worth the price of a movie nite for me! So I chucked down my Latinum [$50 dollars US] right away....after all we all know everything works the first time with only 2-3 seconds till warp core breach "You Know it" [old school]
I agree with that -- I've been a Trekkie for a long time. I've enjoyed watching during the first few seasons as they set they stage for what would become the world of Star Trek that we've known from the original series. They did an excellent job of retaining consistency, but until Enterprise went on its quest to find the Xindi, it lacked the kind of action that earned it good ratings. ...and during that season, the nature of Enterprise, speaking both of the show and its characters, changed. This season has been a jigantic leap forward in terms of the quality of the show overall. It rivals The Next Generation and is far above DS9 and Voyager in quality (now Voyager -- that was all about 7of9's boobies).
Think of it this way -- the show's charter is to explain how Starfleet and the UFP all started. From its humble beginnings of Zeffrin Cochran as illustrated in Star Trek: Insurrection to Captain Kirk in the original series. Humble beginnings don't get great ratings. I think the show is right on track. I want to see more of this. I want to see the Vulcans and humans start the United Federation of Planets. They've got great writers now.
I'm very proud to have donated to the continuation of Enterprise and wish I could afford to contribute more. My fiancee thinks I'm crazy to be supporting this but I don't care. I'm a geek and proud of it.
Did anyone bother to ask the customers what they want?
Every thing I've seen on the news about this makes it into some kind of joke. It's not. I'm not going to pontificate, but this quote from Manny Coto says volumes, IMNSHO....
"I've always wondered why it's okay for football fans to go to a football game with their faces painted and sloshing beer around and that's considered old fashioned American fun. Yet someone dressing as a Klingon is considered weird. You don't see Star Trek fans after a convention running through the streets and turning over cars or breaking windows in a drunken haze. Star Trek fans are benevolent optimistic and incredibly intelligent."
Actually, "two-bular" is one of the two valid pronunciations. The other is like "tyu-bular". I found out about Branson's "chewbular" mispronunciation from a Brit who made fun of it. After a certain age you learn to properly pronounce words.
Et chew, brute.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Period.
See title.
Although there may be hope with the movie coming out this fall.
Essentially, what these people are doing is spending some of their cash to purchase the entertainment they want - more Enterprise. Unless the show has radically improved since the first series (that's the only one I've seen any of) I dunno why you'd bother, but I don't see anything wrong with it.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
.... that the recent series lost its soul.
how can you make the point that these crew is exploring in the name of all humanity when they just a bunch of WASPS?
You can't, it is as simple as that...
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Star Trek Sux! Why do they keep making them.
As much as I love Star Trek I find this funding campaign to be pretty misguided. If you're going to spend three million dollars, you may as well create and film your own sci fi adventure series, forget about TV networks, and make torrents available.
Heck, maybe you could even negotiate with whoever owns the rights to Star Trek to make it a Star Trek series.
Really good shows have great writers, cast, production. Those are based on some small number of people who actually have the gumption to create a vision (it has to be a popular one with fans, with a bit of actor charisma thrown in, admittedly). Why does anyone like shows by Joss Whedon, say? He can actually write, and then he gets that writing on film.
Personly i think the problem with enterprise is that it airs on friday( at least here) and that it is up agaist SG-1 and sorry a 7 year show vs. a 4 year show the longer show wins. I use to watch it every time it was on when it was on on wensday. And only having a single tunner sat. i cant tape it.
I do (did I guess) like Firefly's theme song, but come on.. You can't take the sky from me?!? That's one of the easiest things to take away.. it's called a jail cell. And unlike the movies, they don't usually have windows.
Try listening to it while taking "sky" as a euphemism for "heaven"...
You can't take the sky from me...
(The Newhart ending wasn't plagarism, it was satire, some of the best satire ever)
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
True Friday is the largest SIFI night. And moving Star Trek to Friday helped kill it. BUT, most of all greed runs the world. And anything we say here will not change the out come. As the Star Trek of old - some like it, some hate it, and some do not understand it.
I feel fortunate to have seen all Star-Trek's from the beginning and will continue to hope for more to see. Gene brought something to this world that everyone can have an opinion on. This is what a good writer does. Enough said. I hope others will carry on.
I dont recall that group of temporal cold warriors being vampires.
Rick Berman's best idea EVAR: The Remans.
A vampire movie from long ago: The Nosferatu.
You can't take the sky from me...
And a pretty sucky one at that.
there's something strange with the online-donation:
1. the login-page ist not "https"
2. i forgot my paypal-password, tried to send me a new one via the donation-page. didn't work:
"User xxxx is not found in database". when i go to paypal.com, it works without problems.
so, what is this? i hope it's not a fake to get your paypal-login/password? don't think so, but that is strange...