Can you name other groups of 3 movies that came out within a year of each other and all had the same premise? [...] Dante's Peak and Volcano don't really have the same premise, they just have the same primary element: a volcano. The premise of Dante's Peak is that a supposedly extinct volcano is going to erupt and destroy a peaceful mountain town. The premise of Volcano is that a previously unknown volcano erupts under Los Angeles, and the heroes have to figure out how to save as many lives as possible.
They both have the same premise: A dormant volcano will erupt and kill lots of people unless our heros do something about it.
And here's the 3rd vocano movie of that year: TURBO: A POWER RANGERS MOVIE (1997) When Lerigot, a wise and gentle alien is kidnapped by Divatox for the special key he holds that can unleash Maligore, a fiery creature imprisoned inside a volcano.
Again, dormant volcano, will kill many people, heroes must save the day. What? Doesn't count 'cause its got power rangers innit?
There was no use of you telling me what the story is since its blindingly obvious I'm familiar with it. An intelligent, considerate person would have been able to discuss it without spelling out the ending of the story.
your point was that they "ripped off" Clarke by having the same premise. I don't agree that they ripped off Clarke any more than Chasing Amy rips off a Shakespeare comedy because it has the same basic premise of "boy meets girl."
They don't limit it to "aliens invade with flying saucers". They rip it off with "Aliens show up surprisingly on earth one day with giant city-sized spaceships, place them over major cities, let them hover silently for a while".
To Chasing Amy, that wouldn't be "boy meets girl", that would be "boy meets lesbian and knowing her orientation insists and gets her to go out with him". Don't remember any Shakespear plays like that...
to call using a similar premise in order to go in a completely different direction "ripping off" is absurd.
Yeah, I'm gonna write a story about a highschool boy who's bitten by a radioactive spider that gives him spider powers, but then he becomes rich and famous by using his gifts to publically become a war hero who helps defeat a tyranny in the south pacific.
That would not be ripping off anything by your retarded troll logic because I don't have the same developpement after the identical premise. To rational persons however, its a clear case of ripping off.
1958, try and find an earlier ieteration. And both V and ID4 had the exact same way for the aliens to show up: Surprise appearamce, giant saucers, hover silently over metropolises.
This is too easy, from IMDB: Earth vs. the Flying Saucers (1956)
Lets see... Suprise appearance? No (numerous previous sightings before the hostilities begin). Giant saucers? No (house sized, not city-sized. Giant compared to tea cup saucers of course). Hover silently? No. ...over metropolises? No.
Relevance of your posted example to what I was talking about (The common premise of Idependance Day, V, and Childhood's End): Nil. No cookie for you!
Yeah, except "Independence Day" followed up with [spoilers]
See, I mentioned that I was only referring to the premise. You don't have to go into full blown spoiler territory (i.e. revealing the overseers goals when that is the question asked throughout most of the book) to tell me I was only referring to the premise.
I would be surprised if CE was the first time anyone had written the idea of giant spaceships appearing over Earth cities.
1958, try and find an earlier ieteration. And both V and ID4 had the exact same way for the aliens to show up: Surprise appearamce, giant saucers, hover silently over metropolises. V even had them shiny like CE. There's similar, and then there's exactly the same.
ID4: - Aliens attack earth - Their weapons are far superior - Our weapons cannot hurt them really - A virus kills them
It has a very close resemblence to the book War of the World
That last item is a big misdirection.
In the book, its supposed that it was a natural bacteria. In ID4, what you call a virus I call exploiting the faults of the earth tech the aliens were using against earth, and then fighter planes. Its a technological solution by war-like humans against war-like aliens. Not a point about evolution and the need for quarantine when moving to an alien biosphere.
But of course ID4 is very close to WotW, its inspired heavily by WotW (and Childhood's End). Its a commercial postmodern recycling of proven sucesses. It takes elements of previous works and mixes them together to create something "new". Its not a direct adaptation though.
Deep Impact and Armageddon? Volcano and Dante's Peak? You know the battle is lost when multiple movie makers are RE-making the same movie at the same time.
Look into it deeper, and you will find that every year the same basic plot is made into at least 3 major studio movies.
There was the year of comets, the year of volcanos, the year of alien invasions (Independance Day, Mars Attacks), the year of virtual realities (Matrix, 13th Floor, Existanz), this year was Superheroes I believe, a couple years ago it was haunted houses. Its a definate pattern that has been repeating yearly for as long as I remember.
Its as though one studio starts making a film, and the others rush into production with a basic description "comets will destroy the earth, a team with spaceships try to stop it", "haunted house", "alien invasion", "airplane crashes", "superhero", etc.
Independence Day? Signs? Heck, even the old 'V' mini-series was basically the same story. I am sure I am forgetting another million movies that were basically the same plot line.
VERY basically. I take it you've never read the book, because aside from an alien invasion, there isn't much similar between these and WotW.
Its more of an archetype comparison than a direct comparison. Like all love stories are "Boy meets girl", but they are not all basically the same story as Romeo and Juliet.
And by the way, "V" and "Independance Day" both ripped off Arthur C. Clark's premise for "Childhood's End": Giant city sized spaceships suddenly show up and proceed to silently hover over every major metropolis on earth, omniously. As opposed to the premise of WotW: Astronomers observe repeated explosions on Mars, and later, objects that appear to be coming from Mars towards us, and then there are landings of small crafts in the country.
Spoilerish: P.S. The Overseers do not care about humanity's hapiness... ;-)
It wasn't a series, it was a one-time thing. Which makes it even more remarkable that people actually bought it because weeks go by in the span of the broadcast (the character mentions the martians landed weeks ago at some point, the same guy who was covering the landing lives minutes before in the same show).
The original WotW was a classic film, beloved by many (including me). Why remake it?
Because it was a bastardization of a book and he's making a true-to-the-original adaptation instead.
As for Spielberg, he want money, and remakes of sci-fi with better SFX makes perfect sense to me. I keep hearing about a possible remake of Logan's Run and I would LOVE to see a version of that story that is filmed competantly.
As for WotW, I just hope he mentions the number of observed launches on Mars and the number of ships that reaches earth. Can't say more without spoilers, but its one of the most fascinating aspect of the story to me and its completely ignored by all adaptations I've seen/heard.
Shiva is not a destroyer. Shiva disolves so that creation can happen. Shiva represents creation as well as dissolution.
Shiva is a destroyer. But not for the fun of it. Every act of creation is an act of destruction -Pablo Picasso
Shiva makes room for the new stuff. There's no need to sugarcoat it with euphemisms like "dissolves" instead of the accurate "destroys".
Shiva is nothing close to the christian belief of devil which is naught but a fallen angel.
Not in objective concepts, but in the subjective christian view, he's a pagan false god and therefore the devil. Its a binary system: if (Deity != Jesus) Deity == Satan;//Or Satan += Deity; /*Jesus == God == HolyFather == HolyGhost == HolyTrinity;*/
the 9 billion names of God refers to an Arthur C. Clarke story in which [spoiler] this group of monks actually writes down all 9 billion names. In the story [spoilerish] a computer [SPOILER]
Sigh. Ok, so you don't have to karma-bomb the guy to oblivion, but for the love of god don't mod these kind of things up, its not polite to spoil stories for people. Especially good ones.
That short novelette, its a good read, don't spoil it for people for the sake of a joke.
In Iraq I think you have the sequence of events wrong.
Lets see, in the eighties the U.S. gives weapons and money to Saddam Hussein, who commits any number of atrocities while the U.S. looks away because he's a convenient pawn in their game with Iran. Then when that's over and Saddam doesn't do as he's told anymore, the U.S. bombs Iraq intensly in 1991, followed by sporadic bombings until 2003 where intense bombings start again for a few weeks, and then back to sporadic bombings to this day.
Number of times Iraq bombed the U.S.: 0.0 Number of times the U.S. bombed Iraq: Dozens? Hundreds?
Saddam demonised after 1991 in countless movies and TV shows making the american public eager for a war against him whenever the administration needs to pull the wool over their eyes about something? Check.
I don't think that perticular country was bombed. It does, however, have a U.S. military base, which is considered like an unacceptable presence of infidels on holy ground. And it supported the Saudi monarchy, which could be pissing off people opposed to the monarchy over there.
And the Saudis watched the U.S. bomb countries all around them and offer unequivocal support to Israel, to the tune of billions of dollars a year, and Israel does its fair share of bombing too.
Also, this isn't so much about a nation in the geographical sense to some people as it is about the nation of Islam.
And here's the disclaimer: I do not support the 9/11 bombings, I was horrified. However, I understand how the U.S. had it coming, and I am horrified of the way this tragedy has been coopted and used to justify further horrors.
So in brief: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. In Iraq, you bombed the shit out of it to change its way of life for one like yours. Expect people to try to do this unto you now. Sigh.
the town was moved when it got full of garbage so that can account for SOME of it.
Even before that, across the street from their place are sometimes normal houses llike theirs, sometimes the mansion former presidents Bush and Ford lived in, sometimes an empty field leading to the highway, etc.
Hell, even Flander's house isn't stable, in the Stonecutters ep it was the nuclear plant's parking lot. The Kwicky Mart moves around a lot too.
Like Homer said: "Cartoons don't have to make sense".
If I were to say fire a building safety inspector, an Air Traffic controller, or an inspector with the FDA how would that produce jobs? And, how would we guarantee that no adverse effect (salmopnella in the food) would result?
Its really quite simple: For every food inspector you fire, you create jobs for dozens of dirty cooks, paramedics, doctors, nurses, morticians, casket makers, florists, etc.
George Lucas said this was the movie he wanted to make.
No, he made the movie he wanted to make, he's changing it to be the movie he would want to make now. Look at the side by side comparison of the additional changes from 1997. Do you really believe they didn't have the technology to realise his vision to shave off people's eyebrows 20 years ago? Or is it that his vision has changed since then?
Why are you guys bitching that he's stomping on your childhood when you're stomping on his vision?
There wouldn't be a problem if he released both versions and let money do the talking. People aren't stomping on his vision, we bitch because he's not giving us what we want: his original vision. Not his revised vision after 20 years and tons of money and power. A youg man's vision is different from the vision of an old guy with his own firetruck.
So what if Greedo shoots first?
He's four feet away! How incompetant can you be? He misses a sitting target 4ft away from him. This is what Jaba hires as muscle? Ooooo, I'm so scared. That Jabba must be one hell of a looser then. Hey, what's this, a scene with Jabba. He lets people litterally walk all over him! Oh, big scary mobster! I'm shaking in my boots.
In the original, Jabba is an unseen mobster who's henchmen are beast dealt with by shooting them in cold blood and getting the hell away from the planet. In the revised edition, he's some 2 bit slug with the worst henchmen half a sandwich can buy.
I try to watch Farscape, but every time I do, everybody is either switched with everyone else's body or the whole episode is playing out in John's head and all the characters are playing other people, or wacky versions of themselves, or whatever the hell is going on that makes it 0% understandable. And the screeching noise they use as an intro makes me want to hurt them back. Also, I find the female lead utterly unapealing. Blue chick is kinda cute, but Aerin does nothing for me (yes, I admit that the sexyness of the women involved counts). I guess I just don't have the "repressed lesbian in leather" fetich.
The small bits I've managed to watch and understand made me give some credit to the people claiming its good, but frankly, I can't make heads or tails of that show, not because its complicated, but because its nonsense. Maybe if I find someone who has DVDs it'll make sense. But for someone who only happens to catch an episode here and there, its impossible to follow.
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They both have the same premise: A dormant volcano will erupt and kill lots of people unless our heros do something about it.
And here's the 3rd vocano movie of that year: TURBO: A POWER RANGERS MOVIE (1997)
When Lerigot, a wise and gentle alien is kidnapped by Divatox for the special key he holds that can unleash Maligore, a fiery creature imprisoned inside a volcano.
Again, dormant volcano, will kill many people, heroes must save the day. What? Doesn't count 'cause its got power rangers innit?
1996: Alien invasions!
1997: Volcanos!
1998: Comets/Meteors!
1999: Haunted houses!
Etc.
Blah blah whiny spoiler-cakes
There was no use of you telling me what the story is since its blindingly obvious I'm familiar with it.
An intelligent, considerate person would have been able to discuss it without spelling out the ending of the story.
your point was that they "ripped off" Clarke by having the same premise. I don't agree that they ripped off Clarke any more than Chasing Amy rips off a Shakespeare comedy because it has the same basic premise of "boy meets girl."
They don't limit it to "aliens invade with flying saucers".
They rip it off with "Aliens show up surprisingly on earth one day with giant city-sized spaceships, place them over major cities, let them hover silently for a while".
To Chasing Amy, that wouldn't be "boy meets girl", that would be "boy meets lesbian and knowing her orientation insists and gets her to go out with him". Don't remember any Shakespear plays like that...
to call using a similar premise in order to go in a completely different direction "ripping off" is absurd.
Yeah, I'm gonna write a story about a highschool boy who's bitten by a radioactive spider that gives him spider powers, but then he becomes rich and famous by using his gifts to publically become a war hero who helps defeat a tyranny in the south pacific.
That would not be ripping off anything by your retarded troll logic because I don't have the same developpement after the identical premise. To rational persons however, its a clear case of ripping off.
This is too easy, from IMDB:
Earth vs. the Flying Saucers (1956)
Lets see...
Suprise appearance? No (numerous previous sightings before the hostilities begin).
Giant saucers? No (house sized, not city-sized. Giant compared to tea cup saucers of course).
Hover silently? No.
Relevance of your posted example to what I was talking about (The common premise of Idependance Day, V, and Childhood's End): Nil.
No cookie for you!
It's quite common that two movies get greenlighted around the same time that have the same basic premise or story; 3 movies at once is extremely rare.
I didn't say "greenlighted", I said "released the same year". 3 movies with the same basic plot released in a one-year time frame is very common.
Yeah, except "Independence Day" followed up with [spoilers]
See, I mentioned that I was only referring to the premise.
You don't have to go into full blown spoiler territory (i.e. revealing the overseers goals when that is the question asked throughout most of the book) to tell me I was only referring to the premise.
I would be surprised if CE was the first time anyone had written the idea of giant spaceships appearing over Earth cities.
1958, try and find an earlier ieteration. And both V and ID4 had the exact same way for the aliens to show up: Surprise appearamce, giant saucers, hover silently over metropolises. V even had them shiny like CE. There's similar, and then there's exactly the same.
The chances of a remake being good / are a million to one... BUT STILL THEY COME!
;-)
They're making them as fast as they can so that they can get the sucky million out of the way and finally make a good one
ID4:
- Aliens attack earth
- Their weapons are far superior
- Our weapons cannot hurt them really
- A virus kills them
It has a very close resemblence to the book War of the World
That last item is a big misdirection.
In the book, its supposed that it was a natural bacteria.
In ID4, what you call a virus I call exploiting the faults of the earth tech the aliens were using against earth, and then fighter planes. Its a technological solution by war-like humans against war-like aliens. Not a point about evolution and the need for quarantine when moving to an alien biosphere.
But of course ID4 is very close to WotW, its inspired heavily by WotW (and Childhood's End). Its a commercial postmodern recycling of proven sucesses. It takes elements of previous works and mixes them together to create something "new". Its not a direct adaptation though.
Deep Impact and Armageddon?
Volcano and Dante's Peak?
You know the battle is lost when multiple movie makers are RE-making the same movie at the same time.
Look into it deeper, and you will find that every year the same basic plot is made into at least 3 major studio movies.
There was the year of comets, the year of volcanos, the year of alien invasions (Independance Day, Mars Attacks), the year of virtual realities (Matrix, 13th Floor, Existanz), this year was Superheroes I believe, a couple years ago it was haunted houses.
Its a definate pattern that has been repeating yearly for as long as I remember.
Its as though one studio starts making a film, and the others rush into production with a basic description "comets will destroy the earth, a team with spaceships try to stop it", "haunted house", "alien invasion", "airplane crashes", "superhero", etc.
Independence Day? Signs? Heck, even the old 'V' mini-series was basically the same story. I am sure I am forgetting another million movies that were basically the same plot line.
;-)
VERY basically.
I take it you've never read the book, because aside from an alien invasion, there isn't much similar between these and WotW.
Its more of an archetype comparison than a direct comparison. Like all love stories are "Boy meets girl", but they are not all basically the same story as Romeo and Juliet.
And by the way, "V" and "Independance Day" both ripped off Arthur C. Clark's premise for "Childhood's End": Giant city sized spaceships suddenly show up and proceed to silently hover over every major metropolis on earth, omniously. As opposed to the premise of WotW: Astronomers observe repeated explosions on Mars, and later, objects that appear to be coming from Mars towards us, and then there are landings of small crafts in the country.
Spoilerish:
P.S. The Overseers do not care about humanity's hapiness...
the radio series (with Orson Wells)
It wasn't a series, it was a one-time thing.
Which makes it even more remarkable that people actually bought it because weeks go by in the span of the broadcast (the character mentions the martians landed weeks ago at some point, the same guy who was covering the landing lives minutes before in the same show).
The original WotW was a classic film, beloved by many (including me). Why remake it?
Because it was a bastardization of a book and he's making a true-to-the-original adaptation instead.
As for Spielberg, he want money, and remakes of sci-fi with better SFX makes perfect sense to me. I keep hearing about a possible remake of Logan's Run and I would LOVE to see a version of that story that is filmed competantly.
As for WotW, I just hope he mentions the number of observed launches on Mars and the number of ships that reaches earth.
Can't say more without spoilers, but its one of the most fascinating aspect of the story to me and its completely ignored by all adaptations I've seen/heard.
All the actual big acts of destruction in the Bible (the kind of stuff Shiva does for the Hindus), Yahweh is the One carrying it out.
Angels do the actual work, Yaveh just calls the shots.
there's an incident similar to Noah's Flood in Vedic mythology
There are incidents of great floods with survivors in many mythologies. Its a common event, and makes a good story.
Shiva is not a destroyer. Shiva disolves so that creation can happen. Shiva represents creation as well as dissolution.
//Or Satan += Deity;
/*Jesus == God == HolyFather == HolyGhost == HolyTrinity;*/
Shiva is a destroyer. But not for the fun of it.
Every act of creation is an act of destruction -Pablo Picasso
Shiva makes room for the new stuff. There's no need to sugarcoat it with euphemisms like "dissolves" instead of the accurate "destroys".
Shiva is nothing close to the christian belief of devil which is naught but a fallen angel.
Not in objective concepts, but in the subjective christian view, he's a pagan false god and therefore the devil. Its a binary system: if (Deity != Jesus) Deity == Satan;
pic of her in a bikini top
And she can solder too?
Boy...
the 9 billion names of God refers to an Arthur C. Clarke story in which [spoiler] this group of monks actually writes down all 9 billion names. In the story [spoilerish] a computer [SPOILER]
Sigh. Ok, so you don't have to karma-bomb the guy to oblivion, but for the love of god don't mod these kind of things up, its not polite to spoil stories for people. Especially good ones.
That short novelette, its a good read, don't spoil it for people for the sake of a joke.
In Iraq
I think you have the sequence of events wrong.
Lets see, in the eighties the U.S. gives weapons and money to Saddam Hussein, who commits any number of atrocities while the U.S. looks away because he's a convenient pawn in their game with Iran. Then when that's over and Saddam doesn't do as he's told anymore, the U.S. bombs Iraq intensly in 1991, followed by sporadic bombings until 2003 where intense bombings start again for a few weeks, and then back to sporadic bombings to this day.
Number of times Iraq bombed the U.S.: 0.0
Number of times the U.S. bombed Iraq: Dozens? Hundreds?
Saddam demonised after 1991 in countless movies and TV shows making the american public eager for a war against him whenever the administration needs to pull the wool over their eyes about something? Check.
when did we bomb Saudi Arabia
I don't think that perticular country was bombed. It does, however, have a U.S. military base, which is considered like an unacceptable presence of infidels on holy ground. And it supported the Saudi monarchy, which could be pissing off people opposed to the monarchy over there.
And the Saudis watched the U.S. bomb countries all around them and offer unequivocal support to Israel, to the tune of billions of dollars a year, and Israel does its fair share of bombing too.
Also, this isn't so much about a nation in the geographical sense to some people as it is about the nation of Islam.
Check out the Libertarian's own page on the subject.
And here's the disclaimer:
I do not support the 9/11 bombings, I was horrified. However, I understand how the U.S. had it coming, and I am horrified of the way this tragedy has been coopted and used to justify further horrors.
So in brief: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
In Iraq, you bombed the shit out of it to change its way of life for one like yours. Expect people to try to do this unto you now.
Sigh.
the town was moved when it got full of garbage so that can account for SOME of it.
Even before that, across the street from their place are sometimes normal houses llike theirs, sometimes the mansion former presidents Bush and Ford lived in, sometimes an empty field leading to the highway, etc.
Hell, even Flander's house isn't stable, in the Stonecutters ep it was the nuclear plant's parking lot.
The Kwicky Mart moves around a lot too.
Like Homer said: "Cartoons don't have to make sense".
If I were to say fire a building safety inspector, an Air Traffic controller, or an inspector with the FDA how would that produce jobs? And, how would we guarantee that no adverse effect (salmopnella in the food) would result?
Its really quite simple:
For every food inspector you fire, you create jobs for dozens of dirty cooks, paramedics, doctors, nurses, morticians, casket makers, florists, etc.
Its brilliant in its simplicity!
Could you explain your belief that the United States is to blame for 9/11?
He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword:
Ever since I've been old enough to understand the news, not a year has gone by without the U.S. bombing some country.
The U.S. got bombed once.
George Lucas said this was the movie he wanted to make.
No, he made the movie he wanted to make, he's changing it to be the movie he would want to make now.
Look at the side by side comparison of the additional changes from 1997. Do you really believe they didn't have the technology to realise his vision to shave off people's eyebrows 20 years ago? Or is it that his vision has changed since then?
Why are you guys bitching that he's stomping on your childhood when you're stomping on his vision?
There wouldn't be a problem if he released both versions and let money do the talking. People aren't stomping on his vision, we bitch because he's not giving us what we want: his original vision. Not his revised vision after 20 years and tons of money and power. A youg man's vision is different from the vision of an old guy with his own firetruck.
So what if Greedo shoots first?
He's four feet away! How incompetant can you be? He misses a sitting target 4ft away from him. This is what Jaba hires as muscle? Ooooo, I'm so scared.
That Jabba must be one hell of a looser then. Hey, what's this, a scene with Jabba. He lets people litterally walk all over him! Oh, big scary mobster! I'm shaking in my boots.
In the original, Jabba is an unseen mobster who's henchmen are beast dealt with by shooting them in cold blood and getting the hell away from the planet. In the revised edition, he's some 2 bit slug with the worst henchmen half a sandwich can buy.
Its nice to see that we're finally getting the original 3 films on DVD
We certainly are not.
You people are getting something very close to it though. With a few inane and useless change here and there. The orihinal, these are not.
Farscape: too complicated
I try to watch Farscape, but every time I do, everybody is either switched with everyone else's body or the whole episode is playing out in John's head and all the characters are playing other people, or wacky versions of themselves, or whatever the hell is going on that makes it 0% understandable.
And the screeching noise they use as an intro makes me want to hurt them back.
Also, I find the female lead utterly unapealing. Blue chick is kinda cute, but Aerin does nothing for me (yes, I admit that the sexyness of the women involved counts). I guess I just don't have the "repressed lesbian in leather" fetich.
The small bits I've managed to watch and understand made me give some credit to the people claiming its good, but frankly, I can't make heads or tails of that show, not because its complicated, but because its nonsense.
Maybe if I find someone who has DVDs it'll make sense. But for someone who only happens to catch an episode here and there, its impossible to follow.
The Nietzcheans, the Magog, the conflicts all seem real
An entire race that has to wear bracers to support their silly forearm barbs seems real to you?
To each his own I guess.