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Obsessively Detailed Map Of Springfield
An anonymous reader writes "With all these stories going around about governments' abilities to pinpoint our location via various means, it's quite surprising that one group of people have avoided them for so long. That dastardly family, The Simpsons, have been hidden in Springfield for far too long. Which brings us to the following obsessively detailed map of Springfield. From Jerry Lerma and Terry Hogan: "The mapping of Springfield began in the Spring of 2001 when we realized that no adequate map of Springfield existed either online or in print.""
Before we get a swag of comments mentioning errors / omissions in the map - I read the following from the article:
...)
"Due to the many inconsistencies among episodes, the map will never be completely accurate. Although we'd like our map to be as accurate as a map to any imaginary place can be, our main intent is to preserve the comic spirit of Springfield, document its unique identity, and to have some fun at the same time."
IMO they did a great job! (although wasn't the Simpson's house in eyeshot of
Who knew they were interested in that kind of stuff
I'm not a troll, but I play one on Slashdot
this was on fark like 6 months ago.
One quick search could have prevented the repeat goodness...
f ie ld&author=&sort=1&op=stories
http://slashdot.org/search.pl?tid=&query=spring
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how to get to Moe's
People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them
Doing a map of new new york from futurama?
I emailed the editors to tell 'em it was a dupe, but I guess I wass too late. The original story had better info.
this is even better than the last time it was posted and I looked at it and read the replies and posted my own reply.
Why not just have a game of simpsons hit and run? Gives you a pretty detailed 3d look of springfield. And its from the makers, so more reliable.
I.O.U One Sig.
I don't think there is any consistency to the locations in the series. The Simpsons' house alone has been located in a residential neighbourhood, beside Moe's Tavern and beside the nuclear power plant. How do you create a map where the locations are so fluid?
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
Doesn't this get posted here about every 2 months?
Enough already. The web site's been out there for ~ 3 years now.
So how long till someone builds a real life Springfield?
If they do, I'll be a Moe's.
...the writers themselves have said on the DVD commentaries that although in the first few seasons a concious effort was made to keep geography accurate, after that they found it easier (and funnier) just to mess about with it, meaning the Simpsons' house is in many places (next to moes, next to the power plant, etc.).
Seriously, I love it. Yes, I understand that you can never have an accurate map of Springfield (there are contradictions across episodes) but this is about as good as you can get. BTW, wasn't the Michael Jackson Expressway (formerly the Dali Lama expressway) renamed to the Matlock Expressway ?
Hit & Run
Can we give these guys some sort of award? Slashdot Medal of Honor or something? That's an impressive amount of nerdness, right there.
Its got the tire fire, and Crackton, my two favorate springfield landmarks. The creators did an excelent job.
I don't particularly like the Simpsons. I fail to see why some map of a fictional location (especially and old and tired cartoon) is frontpage news. I must really be in the minority.
Often wrong but never in doubt.
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How detailed was the map in the Simpsons Hit n' Run? (havnt played it)
Is it as detailed as the one above?
From Jerry Lerma and Terry Hogan: "The mapping of Springfield began in the Spring of 2001 when we realized that no adequate map of Springfield existed either online or in print.""
Bah. I think they just started doing it once came out because they needed a map for the game.
"No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
The map was originally going to indicate what state Springfield is in. Unfortunately, the margins were too small to contain it.
Cheers,
IT
Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
there's no Flanders' house! What gives?
Even Google has headquarters in Springfield! (look on the big map, next to the Springfield mall)
Minus the Simpsons, Moes, etc (but *with* the nuclear
... and in 1986 at least it was one of the few places in England where the familiar "bobby" (policeman) carries serious fire power.
plant!). Springfields (or is it Spring Fields) in
Northern England (just outside Preston). They make
nuclear fuel rods.
(At least they did when I visited to do some consultancy work c.a. 1986).
Interesting place. Particularly the signs with "Danger! you are now entering a criticality evacuation area" , and the constant beep bop
of the alarm. You're supposed to panic if it changes from beep bop to god knows what...
Why doesn't this map specify the state Springfield is in?
Here's a new slasdot game for everyone...
Pick a day of the year. Perhaps your birthday. On that day of the year, you submit the aformentioned Simpson's site to Slashdot, and lets see how long the editor's memory lasts before they consider this 'news' and include it in Slashdot.
I wonder if they used hit and run as a source of this.
I would love to make this a GTA3 map... mod characters, there is a great GTA modding community, damn fine programmers too.
Well, back to the map (they haven't got routing or landmarks sorted out, but I guess they are working on it)
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That's what I was wondering. There are several episodes where they refer to the state, and even almost say the state name. There's one where Lisa says it's easy to figure it out if you follow the clues. Anybody got any theories on what state Springfield is in?
Courtesy of map quest ;-)
Springfield, MA
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it'll always be new to someone
:) ):
True. Even the type that Slashdot attracts can't read everything posted here. As a community service, here's some more news, should a reader have missed it the first 10**6 times around (
- holy cr*p. A meteor's going to smash into the Earth
- Bill Gates and anyone who looks like him is evil, evil, evil
- in Soviet Russia, the tin foil hat wears you
- there's a floating point bug in the Pentium processor
- Google's issuing an IPO
- Perl is illegible line-noise
- Python is for weenies
Hope I didn't miss anything.
If this doesn't get me some karma. I don't know what will.
Where's the only bridge out of town?
From the episode "Bart's Comet"
http://www.snpp.com/episodes/2F11.html
I see at least three bridges.
Try this http://www.snpp.com/guides/springfield.list.html
I don't see "123 Fake St." on the map.
It's a tiny beige square downtown, between Springfield Junior High and King Toots on Walnut Street.
D'oh!
People probably say that a lot in repeats, but that's a pretty interesting question in this particular case. I mean, how the hell could anyone who reads the site forget a totally original story like this, from the front page? Maybe they missed it, since the original only appeared at 10AM on a working day.
Well, the map has a couple highways and interstates in it... surely you could figure out which springfields are on those roads to narrow it down.
you're right. Took me half hour to find it. I have too much time on my hands. But not nearly as much as the guys who made this!
Fuck this, I'm going to Moe's.
"Welcome to Yesterday's News, can I help you?" "Yes, Timothy would like to cancel his subscription." ... Having said that, yes the map is pretty cool.
That's some tight shit right there.
The Simpsons Springfield is in Kentucky. Its there in one of the episodes, i think it was the 10th or some other anniversary. at the end of the episode a voice-over-man says something like "...the simpsons are like any other northern kentucky family..."
surely thats conclusive?
As an aside, a theatre show that my sister worked on (she's a sound and lighting engineer) called for a very deep silence, just as you come into the last act. How do you come up with a silence sound effect? Well, from a minute or two before doors, right the way through, she had some white noise playing through the PA, very quietly but noticeably. Because it was there when you walked into the auditorium, you don't notice it. Then, when you drop it out...
A google search of Slashdot springfield map brings up the previous story as the first hit.
So, if I may be so bold as to suggest the following before posting slashdot stories from now on...
1. Find two or three of the most relevent keywords, you know, the kinds of words likely to repeat themselves in multiple submissions.
2. Go to google. You can find google at www.google.com. Here is a hyperlink to www.google.com. Here is a definition of the word "hyperlink".
3. Assuming you haven't forgotten the important keywords from step 1, proceed to step 4. Otherwise, return to step 1. If this is the third or fourth time reaching step 3, you might want to consider finding a paper and pencil. If you already had a paper and pencil, then you might want to consider using them to write down the keywords.
4. Now, with those words you've remembered (or written down) from step 1, go into the text box in the middle of that www.google.com webpage. Type in the following:
Slashdot Keyword1 Keyword2 Keyword3
5. If these are your search results, hit back on your web browser, and then type in the following:
Slashdot Keyword1 Keyword2 Keyword3
ONLY THIS TIME, replace the three keywords with the words that you remembered, or copied down, from step 1.
6. Finally, have a look at some of the results to see if a slashdot story has already been posted on the submission you've just gotten. If there is a story, do not post the submitted story unless there is some information in the new submission that makes it somehow more relevent.
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http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/27/1214231.shtm l?tid=129&tid=188
That's what I was wondering. There are several episodes where they refer to the state, and even almost say the state name.
They don't only "almost" say it - in episode 248 they do say it. It's Kentucky.
In another episode there's a line about something being "south of the border", and Bart says "you mean Tennessee?" Which also supports the Kentucky answer - not that it needed to be, as again, it's specifically said in episode 248. But some people believe that episode to be entirely apocryphal - certainly some of it is (I mean the Simpsons are obviously not really a live-action, real-life family as the episode would have you believe), but it's just as obvious that some of it isn't. They did leave that opening for interpretation, but Kentucky is supported in other episodes.
There are definitely still other episodes that contradict this in various ways (Homer's driver's license lists his state abbreviation as "NT" in one episode, for example), but given that they actually say it in one episode, and support it in at least one other episode, I'm going to believe it really is supposed to be Kentucky.
There is a Shelbyville about 20 mi. north of Springfield in real-life Kentucky too, btw, which is more supporting evidence. So either the writers noticed this after the fact and finally settled on Kentucky as the series wore on, or it was the plan all along.
in the bottom right corner of the map sections? The water isnt light blue when not mouse-overed.
I just spent a half an hour trying to find Moe's...
:)
For those interested, it's in between 'Springfild Town Hall' and 'Springfild Junior High School'.
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
No, they don't. They tell you where the actors playing "The Simpsons" live, but not where the show takes place. Let's see what SNPP has to say about it:
In the first airing of [BABF19], "Behind The Laughter", the narrator gave Springfield's location as Northern Kentucky. For the second and later airings, this changed to Southern Missouri. Neither of these are admissible locations for Springfield, for the many reasons listed later in this document.
What's the explanation? This episode is not canon. It portrays the show not as a cartoon created by Matt Groening, but as a live-action sitcom originally written by Homer and starring his own family. None of what happens is part of the main Simpsons continuity... just like any Halloween Special.
Life is just nature's way of keeping meat fresh.
...what state the Simpsons' Springfield is in.
(whaddya mean it's a running joke?)
Now it's just a matter of time until there is a massivly multiplayer game based on this map.
... Homer dies? I haven't seen it, but someone mentioned it in a class I was in last week, apparently he goes thought all the stages og grieving in a few short seconds. I'd really like to get a copy of that (just an academically appropriate/legal snippet - not the whole episode) so we can use it in the next class. (I dunno about copyright law in the US, but here in Oz, this sort of thing, for academic use, is legal. Email me pls. TIA.
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mitch
Am I the only one who expected the parent to come up first on this search?
in one episode , homer goes to work and finds parking right next to his home . his home is shown next to power plant boundaries flanders house deserves a well defined spot in map
we realized that no adequate map of Springfield existed either online or in print
Now those are some geeks. Adequate for what??
Now, with those words you've remembered (or written down) from step 1, go into the text box in the middle of that www.google.com webpage.
I tried going into the text box, but my head kept banging into the glass on my CRT screen. So I decided it would be best to go feet first. I set the monitor on the floor in such a way that the screen was pointing towards the ceiling. I then proceded to jump into the textbox. Man, talk about a static shock!!
This belongs under the definiton of "WAY WAY WAY too much free time on your hands" and "REALLY REALLY need to get a life".
When you see a post that does not contribute substantively to the topic, or discusses something that is not the topic, it is -1: Offtopic
When you see a post that has intentionally inflammatory comments, such as the last line in the parent's comment, it is usually either -1: Troll, or -1: Flamebait.
I'd love to see the Stonecutters's secret tunnel shortcut, but then it wouldn't be secret anymore...
a) Too large
b) Very rarely do we see them actually travel in the city
c) No relation to Old New York, it's all buried below. Anything could be placed anywhere
Not that it'd stop anyone with too much time on their hands, like people replying to this article, like you, and me, heh.
Kjella
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4. Now, with those words you've remembered (or written down) from step 1, go into the text box in the middle of that www.google.com webpage. Type in the following:
Slashdot Keyword1 Keyword2 Keyword3
Shouldn't that be "site:slashdot.org" ?
Like Keyword1 Keyword2 Keyword3 site:slashdot.org
or springfield site:slashdot.org
Am I the only one that thinks that now that a full map of Springfield is out there its only a matter of time before someone capitalizes and makes a Simpsons MMORPG. All of Springfield could be rendered 100% accurately now. Woo-wee!
This has already been slashdotted before:/ 27/121423 1&tid=129
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05
I'm starting to think "Dupe" is a drug they give to slashdot editors to doubly-post stories and give the 'site more traffic.
This was a story what, months and months ago?
Atleast it was linked to the same map.
Wait a minute...
Dupe == Dope.
Ned: GO TO HELL, SINNERS!
Well, the editors could always use a tf*idf weighted keyword vector relevance system on articles posted to Slashdot, which has worked excellently for me in the past.
Or they could actually read Slashdot. Their choice.
We Build Beautiful Websites
It's evident that we need a company register of Springfield.
Why not a whole telephone book ?!
This one's been done. Time to map out our second favorite our favorite fictitious establishment...
Now we just have to hope that this map doesn't get put to terrorist uses. Maybe Homer should moonlight for DHS, next season.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Homer: I need to know where I can get some business hammocks.
Scorpio: Hammocks! What an idea, why didn't I think of that? Hammocks! Homer, there's 4 places, there's Hammock hut, that's on 3rd, Hammocks are us, that's on 3rd too, you've got Put Your Butt There, that's on 3rd, Swing Low Sweet Chariot, as a matter of fact, they're all on the same complex, the Hammock complex, down on third.
Homer: Oh, the hammock district!
I thought step 4 was supposed to be "Profit!"?
The real reason they cannot disclose the actual state that Springfield is in:
They don't want the paparazzi to find out the actual location of Kim (Basinger)'s and Alec (Baldwin)'s summer retreat.
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I don't see how slashdotting a server repeatedly is an award at all.
but how long did you have to search? I wouldn't have attempted such an ambitious undertaking myself, but I guess you were feeling lucky. ;)
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Hypocrisy is the resin that holds the plywood of society together.
-- Scott Meyer
This map has apparently been added to the Harvard Map Collection. I love it when crusty old institutions fail to take themselves too seriously.
If you look up in quad six... Looks for "Nut's Landing".... apparently a dog neutering facility.... nasty
Jumping on the dupe bandwagon . . . Simpson's Map Demand the original, never settle for a duplicate /. article!
This was posted not too long ago - in fact, I even made the big map my wallpaper!
Geez, and I thought the Star Wars nerds were out of control!
noone pays attention, yet they swear they do. so then they pay too much attention to every inane detail, and the point escapes them.
The location springfield is loosely based on is in michigan. please help.
Slashdot is now in syndication :)
The PS2 has 2 games now that are fairly detailed: "Crash & Burn" and "Hit & Run." While the maps are not the most accurate, perhaps, they are still immense in their scope and accuracy of detail. (at least in terms of buildings that have been featured in the show).
That's it's been on the top of fadetoblack.com for months. And we all know how often THAT site is updated!
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
Never mind RPGs, this could bring the SimCity series back one last time...
Ek is 'n hekker
One of these?
Springfield, IL
Springfield, MO
Springfield, OH
Springfield, OR
Springfield, FL
Springfield, MI
Springfield, NJ
Springfield, PA
Springfield, TN
or how about Springfield, USA?
This text here is solely to get by the lameness filter. It won't let me post the above because of the minimum average line length filter; however, if I put it all on one line it automagically inserts line breaks and *still* kills the minimum average line length filter. Trying to put some line-widifiers down here causes the compression filter to fail. So, as you're reading through this offtopic and uninteresting drivel at the bottom of an otherwise simple post, remember -- you have the lameness filter to thank!!
The following sentence is true. The preceding sentence was false.
Anyone remember the last time we posted this link? :P
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/27/121423 1
I did. I'm sure it will after a day or two.
-Patrick
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
Where do Springfield Cartographers fit into this map.
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I printed this map out at work, on glossy paper, on our 24" wide Design Jet 500 printer. Looks sweet on my wall.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Since it took me a while to find Moe's, I'll try and simplify it for everyone else:
It's in the block diagonally down and to the right of the statue of Jebediah Springfield (i.e. just a smidgen down-left of the center of the map).
Not Jako's house, but the place where Peter pan lives. THe whole world is sort of a projection of his memory, at least in the cartoon series. It came up in an episode where he had amnisa, and the various areas of neverland kept dissapearing and reappering. Wow. Now any nerd can recall episodes of the simpsons or babylon 5, but it takes a real(ly pathetic) geek to recall episodes of a short lived peter pan cartoon. Or is that just frightening instead of geeky?
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Worst map ever!
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
While it might be a plus, I don't think you even need any sort of technological solution to solve the dupe problem. You just need to make sure editors read the site on a regular basis. If they at least read every article, they'll know exactly what's been posted and what hasn't and can identify each new submission as such.
The best way to avoid dupes is to be familiar with what's already been posted.
75% of the map is devoted to all the wacky businesses but where's the homes? Most large towns are at least 50% housing.
Isn't Springfield built right next to Shelbyville?
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Now I have something to read on the toilet wall (seriously, I just put it up heh)
Do your best, hope for the best, suspect the worst.
Actually, "site:slashdot.org Springfield map" would be a better choice.
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or is anyone else dissapointed EVERY time they see this map? It seems they relised soon on that buildings moved around, so they through location out the window. Then they tried to find every location mentioned in the series and cram it in. This (list of locations) might work as a web page, but as a map, it's just silly.
Sorry, but I can't read every story ever posted on Slashdot. When there is a dupe of a story it never really bothers me because most of the time I didn't see it the first time around (although I did remember this story because I bookmarked it).
Most stories that get duped are worth it for the chance to get updated feedback from the readers who have had a chance to think about the story since the last time they visited the topic.
Sound waves should be free!
So where is the georeferencing information? I want a World File!!
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
Yet don't know about the 40 people who already posted the link about the repeat post.
Typical.
here is a mirror
Time to update my resume.
...a Simpsons Role Play Game.
I reset my case.
This article is a total duplicate of this article.
All data is speech. All speech is Free.
You're missing the even more subtle joke: the episode says "...this kentucky/missouri family..." referring to their quote-unquote real life status, not the characters they supposedly portray in the show.
Remember, the show essentially posited that its not animated, but rather enacted by a real family. As such, wherever the 'real' family is located/from, the show they act in may be in a different location.
"Stumble before you crawl"
...via the Springfield Paradox, courtesy of the Flat Earth Society.
That's right. All your base.
I wouldn't be surprised if, before too long, this showed up as a map for various games like Age of Empires, Quake, etc. Could be fun.
"Ah, that would have made a great McGyver Episode."
Would have made? I watching it right now!
You know what?
I know this has been on slashdot many times before. I have the map printed out from a slashdot article 1.5 years ago...
'mmmmmmmmm.... forbidden donut'
Just set the Burns mansion abitrarily and not on the water. What of the yacht and monkey knife fights? Furious George!
(although it appears this still isn't to be considered an "official" answer)
I think that is the philosophy. When you bounce the idea of an alarm being the absence of constant noise or pattern
off people they look at you as if you're weird, but
the truth is that after a while you don't notice the
Beep Bop. You would notice any change though. The
only reason I noticed the clock ticking was writing this...
(Sucks on teeth, mutters something about electrodes cemented into cat skulls, 1960's animal
norights psych studies)
Interestingly, the BBC (as usual for them) got this
detail right in a rather excellent 1980's drama series about
the nuclear industry called "Edge of Darkness" which
is still one of my favourite Beeb things.
More scary (at least from my one and only visit
to a nuclear facility (and I have a science background and have worked with 14-C biochem labelling a few times)) was the arrows on the pavement which indicated which direction you were supposed to run if things went horribly wrong, and
the patch of green paint where you'd be picked up
and lead casketted (grins)).
The truly nasty thing was that the "please wait here" area was *REALLY* close to the run like hell
area.
To misquote C.J (no: don't ask if you aren't english) "I did get where I am today by questioning".
I don't know, all I do is just READ Slashdot, and even I recognize a dupe. You know, because I actually read the website. That's all it takes.
It's clear the editors don't. Posters in the discussion threads remember articles that were posted and are the ones who cry "DUPE." We're also the ones who actually read the links and point out the innaccuracies in the headline or article summary. It's because we actually read the website. It doesn't take rocket science to do this job. Taco and company need to start taking an active interest in the site beyond mulling through the submission queue once in a while in order to collect their OSTG paychecks.
With "Lower Eastside", "South Street Squidport" and other relics (Crackton seems apt), it's clear that Springfield was built on the ruins of New York City, after the apes' human slaves excavated it down to the nuclear power plant, and finally turned the tables on the old buggers.
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make install -not war
Homer: Now, here's my "Everything's O.K." alarm! [Homer flips a switch the device, and it begins to emit a high pitched, incredibly loud beep. The rest of the Simpsons cover their ears as Homer speaks up]
Homer: This will sound every three seconds, unless something isn't okay!
Marge: Turn it off, Homer!
Homer: It can't be turned off! [alarm fizzles out] But it, uh, does break easily.
http://www.snpp.com/episodes/5F21
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Worst redundant story EVER.
(See May 27)
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(humour) Just as neo saw the cat twice, they bricked off the exits. Bush rigged the election, again! (/humour)
That Springfield map looks a lot like Santa Cruz, CA.
It looks like it came from a game called "Virtual Springfield"
The first thing I thought when I looked at the overview map was that it looks *just* like I would imaging the pullout map of Grand Theft Auto: Springfield would look.
-"It seems like you're trying to exploit a security hole. Would you like help?"
The brewery is in quadnine, but I looked all over for moe's and no luck.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
With the obvious exceptions of the mountains and the lake, this map really reminds me of my hometown, Rockford, Il. Then again, the Simpsons' Springfield always heavily reminds me of Rockford ( which actually has been named worst city in america by Money magazine ).
The place is probably even more dysfunctionally disturbing then the Simpsons could ever dare go with Springfield because it basically has a fat line of racial segregation running right down the river. The city continues to grow ever more sprawlingly away from it's past to the east while the west side festers in the decay of the great factory move out of the 70s. A lot of the old factories still stand, all their windows broken out, the whole thing just completely rusted over.
The schools managed to actually lose segregation lawsuit a few years ago because of the way their magnet system bused in white kids from the east side to the nice big old schools on the westside, while displacing the local kids into small weirdo cubicle type developments annexed onto said schools. Unfortunately, this just resulted in a bunch of lawyers making millions and now the schools are more underfunded and worse off then ever. I was a weird case because I was a kid on the westside that got bused to a westside magnet school, but I still saw all the black kids in their annex version of a school. We had seperate lunch times, seperate come and go times, we virtually -never- saw them even though we technically went to school with them every day. Very creepy. Each one of our classes would have exactly 2 black kids, one boy, one girl.
I grew up on the border of the west/east sides in a pretty poor neighborhood. Everybody was relatively friendly while I lived there, but I basically experienced a minor version of white flight when I was 12 and we got out of there as the bad neighborhoods started to grow in size. I happened to be visiting a friends a few years ago 6 or so blocks from where I grew up and at night there was a fully automatic fire gunfight, or just somebody shooting into the sky, who knows. All the people clear the streets, go inside and basically batten down the hatches. The guy I was staying with actually had these full window size reinforced sliding solid shutters he could cover his windows with and basically turn his house into a tank.
The place has a lot of physical charm still, as there are still a lot of really nice old victorian homes and the monikor "The Forest City" still applies.. The upper-middle class love it there because it has all the small town feel in areas with all the big city convienence of 3 or so walmarts and every other major chain you can possibly imagine.
One last random similarity I can remember off the top of my head. Remember the episode where Lisa accidently goes to the wrong school but the architecture is exactly the same and she actually finds her class with different kids? Virtually the exact same thing happened to me, there was a carbon copy version of my elementary school on the other side of town and one time at night when we were going to some kind of function there I thought we were in my school and I tried to find my desk but ended up getting totally confused.
As an off and on watcher of the show for years, here's my opinion of the show:
Seasons 1-2:
Homer excruciatingly normal. Show is more around Bart. Show has some heart. (Father Homer)
Season 3-6 or so:
Homer into more gags, not too crazy. I think this was the best time, as there were funny points and some poignant points mixed in too. (Balanced Homer)
7- around 12 (2001 or so):
Homer is basically retarded. He seems to be the main character now. (Stupid Homer)
Seasons 13-Now:
Homer is usually not as stupid, but plots are now all over the place, with the 'intro' lead in plot (far different from the main plot) taking nearly 1/3 to even 1/2 of the show. (wtf Homer)
There are occasional great shows that do not follow this, but usually for every Blowfish (7F11) episode or Treehouse of Horror V, you have a Maude dying or season 14 or any clip episode.
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Why am I the only person alive that is tired of the simpson? I dont like the simpsons anymore... there I said it!! I remember once in a class I said I didnt really like the simpsons and it was like everyone in the whole class turned on me it was like I said Fuck God or something. Fans of this show take it way to seriously, sure the episodes I saw were funny... not I need to remember to stop work to watch them funny, or not I need to tivo them funny... just funny. *cough*upright citizens brigade was funniner... and no one even knows what that is and it was canceled early*cough*
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.sig to which I responded is much closer to "Flamebait", although my response is not a flame. It's a clear statement with simple facts and logic, without personal attacks. At least some mods agreed that it's simply "Offtopic".
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Poor Lisa, I once got on a Bus and also landeded on the express to crackton.
Damn public transportation!
- these are not the droids you are looking for -
There was one episode where a local telephone number was given, with the area code. I later looked it up and found that it was a Missouri area code. I think there's evidence to a few different places.
"If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards."
Perhaps the reason why Springfield cannot be mapped 100% is because of the springfield paradox
IIRC, there was a plan to integrate Sim City 4 with the Sims, so your city could double as a virtual universe for Sims. In the end, this was not implemented in SC4. Imagine if we had a copy of Springfield in Sim-City, we could have Sim-Simpsons, and in fact, Sims of any character from the Simpsons.
So Chuck, what do you wanna do today... Well Stan, let's watch all 12 million Simpsons episode and make a map of a fictional town! Sounds Great, Chuck, but what if bigger nerds question us? Screw them and their blogging! It changes every episode anyway.
Why? Because I apparently read /. more than the current bunch of editors. Or at least I remember the stories. I didn't *need* to search, I saw the headline and thought "idiots, this was a story just a couple of months ago".
Really, do they even bother to *try* to see if a story is a dupe? Or do they purposely dupe stories that got a good amount of traffic in the past ?
While I'm tempted to think they're greedy, it's more realistic to believe they're just forgetful and lazy.
What do you take them for? Some sort of fools?
I remember when legal used to mean lawful, now it means some kind of loophole. - Leo Kessler
Call me crazy, but I think I've seen THAT before too.
There was a cdrom years ago called "virtual springfield" in which you could wander the streets and see the sites.
Simpson's Hit'n'Run has a pretty realistic layout of the town as well, from Squidport to Moes, in fact this map looks like it was lifted more from that game than from 'watching episodes'.
Forget the MMORPG, I want GTA: Springfield!
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How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
If you ever write "quote-unquote" again, I will kick your fucking ass.
Seriously.
" I just spent a half an hour trying to find Moe's...
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... other than University Students?
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For those interested, it's in between 'Springfild Town Hall' and 'Springfild Junior High School'.
Of course it is. Close enough to keep politicians circulatory systems functioning, and near enough to catch those teens with fake ID's valuable disposable income.
Can you think of two more needy groups
p.s. It's spelt SpringfiEld with an E.
Mainichi onaji kotono kurikaeshi.
Sure enough, the cow costume was hanging up next to the superhero outfit and sailors uniform. (S,Spud)
Good old /. where you can always count on seeing the same thing at least twice.
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...South Dakota. 1) The local Radio station's call letters are KBBL which places Springfield west of the Mississippi River. 2) In episode "Bart Star" the Hill family visits Springfield for a football game. At the end of the game Hank says "We drove 2000 miles for this?" Driving 2000 miles from Arlen, TX easily puts you in South Dakota. 3) In the episode "Old Man and the Key" Grandpa Simpson's driver's license is briefly given an extreme close up. The state abbreviation is not completely clear, but you can make out the first character. It's an 'S'. 4) And finally the clincher. In the episode "Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington" we see Congressman Bob Arnold take a bribe from a lobbyist who want's to clear cut the Springfield National Forest. Later in the episode an undercover federal agent catches Mr. Arnold in a sting that involves drilling for oil in Teddy Roosevelt head. So .... TR's head's on Mt Rushmore. Mt Rushmore's in South Dakota. Springfield is found.
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Yes their house is on the big map, but not in the alphabetical list of features. Other people's homes are listed (Troy McClure, Trent Steele...) but not the Simpsons. Strange feature to leave out.
correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that lyric in the song for "Capital City"? then why is there a 4th street & D on a map of Springfield?
No, a vote for anyone but Kerry is a vote for anyone but Kerry. If third party candidates did not exist then I wouldn't vote for anyone.
Kerry is the only person we can vote for who can wind them down.
Did you even read the article? He's not going to wind them down, he's going to wind them up.
From the article:
"When asked how many additional troops should be deployed Iraq, Kerry said that once in office, he would "sit with the generals" and discuss the size of the increase. Earlier, he had told Defense News that he would add two divisions to the current 10-division army -- an increase of 40,000 troops -- while continuing reseach and development of the Star Wars missile defense/corporate welfare system and, not surprisingly, raising the overall military budget."
If that's "winding down" then I'd hate to see what he would do if he were a hawk.
He has also stated that even knowing what he knows now, that Iraq had no WMDs and wasn't a threat to the US he would still have gone to war.
Your .sig, and the article it links to, make sense only in a vacuum where someone other than Kerry or Bush might win the election.
If people voted for whoever they wanted and not who has the most chances of winning then we wouldn't have this problem. If your man Kerry was trailing by 30-40 points would you vote for Bush since he had the best chance of winning?
So why are you promoting votes for catastrophic war?
I'm not. Anyone who votes for Bush or Kerry is voting for war. It's sad that you are so delusional that you can't see that by Kerry's own statements he is as warmongering (if not more so) than Bush. (On a side note, is there a such thing as a non-catastrophic war?)
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
Do you understand the American electoral system? Only one of the pair of Kerry and Bush will be elected, even though there are other candidates. It's not a lottery, with "chances of winning", nor is it a question of voting for a popular candidate to be on the side that's winning. It's the actual reality of our system that only Bush or Kerry will win the office. Even Ross Perot, much more popular than any "alternative" candidate running this year, only scored 20% of the vote in 1992, half that of the winner. I don't like it any more than you seem to, but we've got a choice between Bush and Kerry, and some window dressing that also interferes with the tiny margins expected between the winner and the winningest loser. So voting for someone other than Kerry will help Bush win, in direct proportion to those "other" votes. I'd like to think that the unaligned Americans, who outnumber the registered members of either party, will instead choose their own leader, instead of one of those chosen for them by the Democratic and Republican parties. But they won't - it's beyond dispute. Mathematically possible, but actually impossible. Only votes for Kerry can rid us of Bush.
You also seem to think that we can vote to "unwar" Iraq, another area where our choices in voting are sharply constrained by actual reality. Bush has given us the very beginning of a total catastrophe, in which we are irrevocably engaged. If we keep Bush, it will only get worse, as it has since day 1. If we keep Kerry, it will still get worse for a while, as we work to extricate ourselves. But it's in Kerry's interest to wind down the war - even if only to get reelected, the policy counterbalance Bush can completely ignore. Kerry has also demonstrated his committment to ending costly foreign adventures; his political career was built on his role in ending the Vietnam War. Which was the work of a soldier, who'd already risked his life in the battle. People like to justify war by saying that only a soldier really knows the hell of war. Kerry can justify peace by restoring that principle to its simple truth. We'll have to build stability in Iraq and its region, now that Bush has upset the apple cart. There are degrees of catastrophe, and we'll never escape the catastrophe already created by Bush's terrible reign. Voting for someone other than Kerry will perpetuate it, while Kerry will cut the losses.
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