Oh please, you make it sound as if google had vans full of surveillance equipment roaming the streets, spying on everyone! Just more of the usual tin foil haberdashery from the conspiracy theory crowd.
You're talking about the aliens as if they were all the same, you racist.
That's, what, the fourth time you've accused me of being a racist in this thread? You said that the aliens had no initiative (i.e. you made a sweeping statement about all of them).
I was answering your sweeping question about why they didn't use the weapons to fight the humans instead of selling them for catfood.
I replied that there were lots of examples of them (i.e. individuals from the drone class - which you claim exists in spite of there being nothing in the film to back this up
The drone talk I was trying to explain to you is from the movie. Dumb racist.
I see. And I suppose that they were just talking about needing the liquid to power it to confuse anyone who might have been listening?
A little kid talked of fuel, yes. A little kid explaining something to someone from another culture. That's not an omniscient narrator talking. The process was hinted at subtlety, so that many failed to get it. Like you. Hell, you're so dumb you keep not getting it even WHEN it's been explained to you with no subtlety and an earthly example.
And I suppose that the other bits of alien technology that worked for all of the aliens were also hacked in the same way by other 'initiative-lacking' aliens at some point off screen?
The tools meant for the grunts didn't need hacking by the grunts to be used by the grunts. The command module had to be hacked by an engineer to be used by a non-pilot. Caste system, motherfucker, do you get it?
Your version of the plot might almost make sense, but it was not the one that was actually in the film.
Oh noes! They didn't spell it out all super obvious and you missed it? BUT YOU HATE IT WHEN THEY SPELL IT OUT ALL OBVIOUS, you retarded ass.
Expecting an alien equivalent to have a similar effect on humans that it has on its own species does not make sense.
Humanoid aliens do not make sense. Faster than light travel does not make sense. Alien physiology compatible with our food does not make sense. Arthropods of that size and speed do not make sense. Communicating verbally with an alien intelligence does not make sense. Giant city-sized hovering spaceships do not make sense.
You hate the movie for being science fiction. Or You hate the movie for telling you it's not ok to be racist.
So, stop being a loud racist troll, and STFU already.
They were sick and had lost their learder. Those aren't humans, they're drones, they have no initiative.
They seemed to be displaying a lot of initiative during the film. You know, finding the fuel, powering the ship, all that stuff...
You're talking about the aliens as if they were all the same, you racist.
And the liquid is a hack to the genetic lock on their technology, like royal jelly, it turns a worker into a pilot
I'm pretty sure you're making that up. They put the liquid in the machine, not on the people who flew the ship. Their technology worked for all of them, not just for some pilot caste.
Then they rewrote the lock in the machine to fit the DNA of their own caste, you'll excuse me if I have the details of a flick I saw a year an a half ago a bit fuzzy.
it turns a worker into a pilot, which is why exposure to it turned the guy into an alien
You mean just like how if a human eats royal jelly they turn into a queen bee?
You mean you're stupid because your mother was a whore?
Yes, that made a lot of sense. Suspending disbelief is one thing, suspending basic knowledge of biology is another.
You do know those are made up aliens we're talking about, right? Not earth bees? We're talking about a movie where a human was turned into one of those aliens, aaaaand now you're talking as if that believing that is stupid. WTF is wrong with you?
the audience was assumed to be too stupid to understand
And in your case that was a perfectly justified assumption.
Why didn't they extract the liquid while they were on the ship, when it would have been more abundant? Why, if they have such powerful weapons, are they in some kind of ghetto in the first place?)
They were sick and had lost their learder. Those aren't humans, they're drones, they have no initiative. And the liquid is a hack to the genetic lock on their technology, like royal jelly, it turns a worker into a pilot, which is why exposure to it turned the guy into an alien and why they needed it to run the command module.
If you had been less busy being angry at being told that racism is bad and that the powerful exploit the weak, you might have noticed. Heck, you were shown that this message about how people are jerks wasn't limited to rich white men by having black Nigerians being just as awful in their own way, but no, you were too busy looking for flimsy excuses to hate on the movie to pay attention to important plot points like the aliens reliance on a leader caste. Had there been no Nigerians you would have bitched and moaned that the movie was limited to South African characters, you know it.
You obviously have no idea how the zodiac symbols were really decided.
Who gives a shit? It's all bullshit.
Knowing when to plant the seeds by looking at which of the little outlines of stars the sun is rising into isn't all bullshit. There's manure, sure, but that's just part of it.
The Matrix, on the other hand, was a movie where a sequel was completely impossible. Neo had already won. The war was over but for the fussy details. There is simply no possible way that anyone could do a sequel of any good with that movie.
Look, we're all annoyed that they never made any sequels to the Matrix, but I could tell you tons of good stories to follow up on the adventures of Neo vs the Machines.
Neo can hack their world, but they have the hardware and the source code, they can split the matrix into separate cells so his influence is limited, he'd have to log in to each network one after the other and they would each have a different universe in them, with a modified code he'd have to re-hack each time. Then there's the fight in meatspace, that could be interesting, with Neo hacking Squids so their eyes turn blue and the serve humans. The people in the Matrices wouldn't all want to be liberated, they'd be more willing to make a deal with the Agents for steak, they could know that the devil named Neo was coming to rip them from their world to force them to be his servants in a cold gray world where they would never see the sun... etc.
But maybe you're right, maybe if they made a sequel it would suck, and they would end up just being a stupid shoot 'em up with transparent pandering to the religious crowd.
The original Alien was horror, true suspenseful horror. The reason it worked, despite a lack of modern special effects was that they didn't show too much
But the Star Wars prequels? Maybe the producers should take a hint.
The role of a producer is to invest money in a movie in order to get a profitable return on his investment. The only hint a producer can take from the star wars prequels is: MONEY!!! Prequels mean money! Do them! Do them a lot!
Interesting theory... except for the fact that Obama's birth certificat has been produced, a copy is available on-line, and its validity has been repeatedly verified by the state of Hawaii.
And yours is an interesting theory, aside from the whole not being true part.
The debate, incidentally, isn't over his nationality, but over the timing of the requirement that he be a "natural born citizen," which is a reference to his parents, not to him.
Just keep moving that goalpost: No matter where the ball lands, as long as you can keep moving that goalpost, the game ain't over.
What he is saying is that the job of a journalist is to decide what the public needs to know.
That's the editor's job.
They know better than the government, or they would have kept all of the files secret. But they also know better than you the public, because they should hold back some papers at their discretion. Very noble of them to take on this weighty responsibility.
Yup, that's why journalism was ennobled to the Fifth Estate. Very grandiose.
Since no one ever RTFA, the gist is that Wikileaks sees things in a very simple, black and white universe. Everything must be open at all times. With the leak of the Pentagon Papers, not all of it was leaked initially. In fact, portions of it were held back for years because the leak would only cause harm to diplomatic relations and it had no bearing on the purpose of the leak (to expose the fact that the US government lied to its people about Vietnam).
I personally have no respect for Wikileaks simplistic view of total transparency when they are shrouded in secrecy themselves.
I have no respect for your gullibility pertaining to Wikileaks allegedly releasing everything all at once without editorial withholding.
They haven't dumped all at once, they did redact names, they ARE careful about not endangering lives even though people who actively destroy lives by the hundreds of thousands accuse them of being careless.
The latter part of the article is the important part. It suggests that Wikileaks may force the government to come down hard in its enforcement of laws, and hurt journalism in the long run.
As for the latter, I really hope that isn't the case.
The military-industrial-congress complex was in the final touches of its long-term plan to undermine the journalism threat and they will now blame their ongoing efforts on the new challenger. And you swallow that tripe up... *sigh*
No it's not Wikileaks that is negative impacting journalism protection... That is like saying, it where the jews that negatively impacted Nazi-German war-crimes.
That is both an awesome godwin and something we could get racists to proclaim publicly! "The Nazis weren't so bad, it was the Jews that forced their hand!"
If neither Rush Limbaugh nor Glen Beck has broadcasted an opinion on them, he has no opinion on them beyond 'his' opinion of "Europeans" (those people being inferior to himself and his kin all in the same way, of course).
You just don't realize that you've replaced one set of ruling elites, with another. Some of us don't want that kind of leadership, and you can frown all you want at us, we don't care (except Obama and his apology tours).
Ignoring for a moment your pretentious and erroneous assumption about geolocation, we'll bring your jingo mind's attention to the fact that you came pretty damn close to having Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton as a presidential sequence.
Stop trying to teach Europeans lessons about splinters of ruling elites and pay attention to the damn beam in your own eye. The revolving door between military, industry and congress should really bother you.
Slashdot Mirror
Perhaps they are watching.
Oh please, you make it sound as if google had vans full of surveillance equipment roaming the streets, spying on everyone! Just more of the usual tin foil haberdashery from the conspiracy theory crowd.
No, since they would record and post later, the only sensible solution is metal detectors
I don't know about 'sensible', but I like the sound of "Filmed before a nude studio audience" ;-)
You're talking about the aliens as if they were all the same, you racist.
That's, what, the fourth time you've accused me of being a racist in this thread? You said that the aliens had no initiative (i.e. you made a sweeping statement about all of them).
I was answering your sweeping question about why they didn't use the weapons to fight the humans instead of selling them for catfood.
I replied that there were lots of examples of them (i.e. individuals from the drone class - which you claim exists in spite of there being nothing in the film to back this up
The drone talk I was trying to explain to you is from the movie. Dumb racist.
I see. And I suppose that they were just talking about needing the liquid to power it to confuse anyone who might have been listening?
A little kid talked of fuel, yes. A little kid explaining something to someone from another culture. That's not an omniscient narrator talking. The process was hinted at subtlety, so that many failed to get it. Like you. Hell, you're so dumb you keep not getting it even WHEN it's been explained to you with no subtlety and an earthly example.
And I suppose that the other bits of alien technology that worked for all of the aliens were also hacked in the same way by other 'initiative-lacking' aliens at some point off screen?
The tools meant for the grunts didn't need hacking by the grunts to be used by the grunts.
The command module had to be hacked by an engineer to be used by a non-pilot.
Caste system, motherfucker, do you get it?
Your version of the plot might almost make sense, but it was not the one that was actually in the film.
Oh noes! They didn't spell it out all super obvious and you missed it? BUT YOU HATE IT WHEN THEY SPELL IT OUT ALL OBVIOUS, you retarded ass.
Expecting an alien equivalent to have a similar effect on humans that it has on its own species does not make sense.
Humanoid aliens do not make sense.
Faster than light travel does not make sense.
Alien physiology compatible with our food does not make sense.
Arthropods of that size and speed do not make sense.
Communicating verbally with an alien intelligence does not make sense.
Giant city-sized hovering spaceships do not make sense.
You hate the movie for being science fiction.
Or
You hate the movie for telling you it's not ok to be racist.
So, stop being a loud racist troll, and STFU already.
They were sick and had lost their learder. Those aren't humans, they're drones, they have no initiative.
They seemed to be displaying a lot of initiative during the film. You know, finding the fuel, powering the ship, all that stuff...
You're talking about the aliens as if they were all the same, you racist.
And the liquid is a hack to the genetic lock on their technology, like royal jelly, it turns a worker into a pilot
I'm pretty sure you're making that up. They put the liquid in the machine, not on the people who flew the ship. Their technology worked for all of them, not just for some pilot caste.
Then they rewrote the lock in the machine to fit the DNA of their own caste, you'll excuse me if I have the details of a flick I saw a year an a half ago a bit fuzzy.
it turns a worker into a pilot, which is why exposure to it turned the guy into an alien
You mean just like how if a human eats royal jelly they turn into a queen bee?
You mean you're stupid because your mother was a whore?
Yes, that made a lot of sense. Suspending disbelief is one thing, suspending basic knowledge of biology is another.
You do know those are made up aliens we're talking about, right? Not earth bees? We're talking about a movie where a human was turned into one of those aliens, aaaaand now you're talking as if that believing that is stupid. WTF is wrong with you?
the audience was assumed to be too stupid to understand
And in your case that was a perfectly justified assumption.
I am so sorry my grasp of english offends, I will attempt to use lol-speak from now on instead.
mine was a joke way of saying that they didn't show the Alien BECAUSE their SFX sucked, no despite sucky SFX.
The medium informed the content, like how marble statues need to be in a pose that will bear its own weight.
Why didn't they extract the liquid while they were on the ship, when it would have been more abundant? Why, if they have such powerful weapons, are they in some kind of ghetto in the first place?)
They were sick and had lost their learder. Those aren't humans, they're drones, they have no initiative.
And the liquid is a hack to the genetic lock on their technology, like royal jelly, it turns a worker into a pilot, which is why exposure to it turned the guy into an alien and why they needed it to run the command module.
If you had been less busy being angry at being told that racism is bad and that the powerful exploit the weak, you might have noticed. Heck, you were shown that this message about how people are jerks wasn't limited to rich white men by having black Nigerians being just as awful in their own way, but no, you were too busy looking for flimsy excuses to hate on the movie to pay attention to important plot points like the aliens reliance on a leader caste.
Had there been no Nigerians you would have bitched and moaned that the movie was limited to South African characters, you know it.
Who gives a shit? It's all bullshit.
Knowing when to plant the seeds by looking at which of the little outlines of stars the sun is rising into isn't all bullshit. There's manure, sure, but that's just part of it.
The problem with the Aliens franchise is the bad writing.
No, the problem is that it is a franchise: a business method.
The bad writing is a consequence of the franchising process.
The Matrix, on the other hand, was a movie where a sequel was completely impossible. Neo had already won. The war was over but for the fussy details. There is simply no possible way that anyone could do a sequel of any good with that movie.
Look, we're all annoyed that they never made any sequels to the Matrix, but I could tell you tons of good stories to follow up on the adventures of Neo vs the Machines.
Neo can hack their world, but they have the hardware and the source code, they can split the matrix into separate cells so his influence is limited, he'd have to log in to each network one after the other and they would each have a different universe in them, with a modified code he'd have to re-hack each time. Then there's the fight in meatspace, that could be interesting, with Neo hacking Squids so their eyes turn blue and the serve humans. The people in the Matrices wouldn't all want to be liberated, they'd be more willing to make a deal with the Agents for steak, they could know that the devil named Neo was coming to rip them from their world to force them to be his servants in a cold gray world where they would never see the sun... etc.
But maybe you're right, maybe if they made a sequel it would suck, and they would end up just being a stupid shoot 'em up with transparent pandering to the religious crowd.
RACISM IS BAD (UNLESS IT'S AGAINST NIGERIANS, THEY'RE ALL CRIMINALS) and a plot that failed to make sense on so many RACISM IS BAD levels.
I'm sorry you were too busy being racist to understand the story.
The original Alien was horror, true suspenseful horror. The reason it worked, despite a lack of modern special effects was that they didn't show too much
You misspelled "because of".
But the Star Wars prequels? Maybe the producers should take a hint.
The role of a producer is to invest money in a movie in order to get a profitable return on his investment.
The only hint a producer can take from the star wars prequels is: MONEY!!! Prequels mean money! Do them! Do them a lot!
Interesting theory... except for the fact that Obama's birth certificat has been produced, a copy is available on-line, and its validity has been repeatedly verified by the state of Hawaii.
And yours is an interesting theory, aside from the whole not being true part.
It's true.
The debate, incidentally, isn't over his nationality, but over the timing of the requirement that he be a "natural born citizen," which is a reference to his parents, not to him.
Just keep moving that goalpost: No matter where the ball lands, as long as you can keep moving that goalpost, the game ain't over.
Who says your rights are not being trampled?
People in jackboots :'(
Once again, in trying to improve government, they'll only make it more ineffective
Attempting to make sure their crimes and schemes go unnoticed is NOT an improvement to government.
a hate campaign against Big-Whatever? Maybe, just maybe, everyone running these sorts of hate campaigns has a similar motive?
And maybe, just maybe, monkeys will fly out of my butt.
The way "trickle down" actually works is this:
1. Megacorp X gets a massive tax cut.
2. CEO of megacorp X buys himself a gold-plated urinal.
Wow, the economy really is bad! Oh, how they must yearn for the days of solid gold toilets, with ivory seats and evian water filling the tank.
Why is it that you are only able to see our system vs soviet-style communism?
Because your propaganda and indoctrination is The Best.
The US Government lied to the American people about its activities in Yemen.
Right! Air-delivered Yemeni mail bombs make sense when you know U.S. warships bombed Yemen rebels with cruise missiles first.
What he is saying is that the job of a journalist is to decide what the public needs to know.
That's the editor's job.
They know better than the government, or they would have kept all of the files secret. But they also know better than you the public, because they should hold back some papers at their discretion. Very noble of them to take on this weighty responsibility.
Yup, that's why journalism was ennobled to the Fifth Estate. Very grandiose.
Since no one ever RTFA, the gist is that Wikileaks sees things in a very simple, black and white universe. Everything must be open at all times. With the leak of the Pentagon Papers, not all of it was leaked initially. In fact, portions of it were held back for years because the leak would only cause harm to diplomatic relations and it had no bearing on the purpose of the leak (to expose the fact that the US government lied to its people about Vietnam).
I personally have no respect for Wikileaks simplistic view of total transparency when they are shrouded in secrecy themselves.
I have no respect for your gullibility pertaining to Wikileaks allegedly releasing everything all at once without editorial withholding.
They haven't dumped all at once, they did redact names, they ARE careful about not endangering lives even though people who actively destroy lives by the hundreds of thousands accuse them of being careless.
The latter part of the article is the important part. It suggests that Wikileaks may force the government to come down hard in its enforcement of laws, and hurt journalism in the long run.
As for the latter, I really hope that isn't the case.
The military-industrial-congress complex was in the final touches of its long-term plan to undermine the journalism threat and they will now blame their ongoing efforts on the new challenger.
And you swallow that tripe up... *sigh*
Except Wikileaks didn't release all the cables at once
That's the joke.
No it's not Wikileaks that is negative impacting journalism protection... That is like saying, it where the jews that negatively impacted Nazi-German war-crimes.
That is both an awesome godwin and something we could get racists to proclaim publicly! "The Nazis weren't so bad, it was the Jews that forced their hand!"
Now, we need some public racists...
I'm interested how left you consider them to be.
If neither Rush Limbaugh nor Glen Beck has broadcasted an opinion on them, he has no opinion on them beyond 'his' opinion of "Europeans" (those people being inferior to himself and his kin all in the same way, of course).
If you're from Europe
Elseif?
You just don't realize that you've replaced one set of ruling elites, with another. Some of us don't want that kind of leadership, and you can frown all you want at us, we don't care (except Obama and his apology tours).
Ignoring for a moment your pretentious and erroneous assumption about geolocation, we'll bring your jingo mind's attention to the fact that you came pretty damn close to having Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton as a presidential sequence.
Stop trying to teach Europeans lessons about splinters of ruling elites and pay attention to the damn beam in your own eye. The revolving door between military, industry and congress should really bother you.
you can frown all you want at us, we don't care
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism