The question was absurd...if Iran which doesnt have a nuke and has not started a war in centuries launched a nuclear attack, something no country has ever done besides the US onto Israel...a country it has never militarily fought before what would the US do?
It was absurd, but it painted the picture Clinton wanted and let her come off as a tough guy against those 'muslims' during the election.
The US has overthrown an Iranian government, bombed oil rigs, boats, a civilian airliner, supported terrorists attacks in Iran, committed assasinations, and committed an endless string of crimes that would justify the Iranians to attack us...but they don't cause you know thats what the US wants. They want the excuse to bomb and go to war with Iran.
We are the bully of the world and I'm too old and have seen this bs too many times to believe that Iran is the bad guy in this...as if Iran is threatening the USA. bull.
The Shah did business with Israel as he was really a Western leader...but Iran did not reconize Israel officially. Israel was/is disliked for what it is...an European colony.
The Jewish population in Iran was massive and goes back centuries. Although tens of thousands have left there are still 30-50K Iranian Jews.
The Iranian leader called for the 'end of the Zionist regime' which was turned into the destruction of the Jewish state...cause that plays into the "Israel is hated cause of the Arabs are antiSemities bs that is pushed in the US.
The reality is Zionism is rightfully despised by 95% of the world because its is a racist idealogy..."lets setup a state for our ethno/religious group by pushing out the indigenous people of the area because in an imaginary man says it belongs to us" Das racist.
What a shameful piece of propaganda by slashdot...suggesting that Israels brutal occupation is somehow how a matter of perspective of camera angles? wtf?
Some facts...according to the respected human rights organization B'Tselem, exactly 753 Israeli civilians and 342 military personnel were been killed by Palestinians between September 2000 and September 2011. During that same period, the Israeli army killed6,487 Palestinians, at least half of whom were civilians. During Operation Cast Lead â" Israel's most recent illegal assault on the people of Gaza â" the Israeli military killed 1,397 Palestinians, mostly civilians. Three Israeli civilians were killed in the operation.
Clearly this is not a war between two equal parties. This is a vicious occupation against an oppressed and impoverished people, carried out by a powerful, nuclear armed state (Israel), and backed by the world's strongest military power (the U.S.). Shame on slashdot for being apologist for Israel. Shame.
In 2006, the Palstenian civil society called for supporters of their cause to boycott, divest and sanction Israel whom is denying rights to over 4 million people who live in Israel based on thier religion.
Had the Palestenians not pulled the funding they would have been breaking their own boycott.
There is so much hasbra there...including the US supports Israel because of Christian Zionists line...no the US supports Israel because of the Israel lobby...don't believe me...read the diary of the first Defense Secâ(TM)y from 60 years ago.
4 September 1947 Cabinet Lunch At the end of the lunch [Robert] Hannegan [Postmaster General] brought up the question of the Presidentâ(TM)s making a statement of policy on Palestine, particularly with reference to the entrance of a hundred and fifty thousand Jews into Palestine. He said he didnâ(TM)t want to press for a decision one way or the other but simply wanted to point out that such a statement would have a very great influence and great effect on the raising of funds for the Democratic National Committee. He said very large sums were obtained a year ago from Jewish contributors and that they would be influenced in either giving or withholding by what the President did on Palestine. 29 September 1947 [Conversation with president] I asked the President whether it would not be possible to lift the Jewish-Palestine question out of politics. The President said it was worth trying although he obviously was skeptical.. [I said] It was dangerous to let it continue to be a matter of barter between the two parties⦠6 October 1947 Cabinet Lunch Hannegan brought up the question of Palestine. He said many people who had contributed to the Democratic campaign fund in 1944 were pressing hard for assurances from the administration of definitive support for the Jewish position in Palestine. The President said that if they would keep quiet he thought that everything would be all right, but that if they persisted in the endeavor to go beyond the report of the United Nations Commission there was grave danger of wrecking all prospects for settlement. 7 November 1947 Cabinet [Middle East is a tinder box, warns Secretary of State George Marshall] I repeated my suggestion, made several times previously, that a serious attempt be made to lift the Palestine question out of American partisan politics. I said that there had been general acceptance of the fact that domestic politics ceased at the Atlantic Ocean and that no question was more charged with danger to our security than this particular one.
During the Israels 1967 war...where Israel pre-emptively attacked their neighbors...the US gave them military intellegence support. RFK who was outspoken in favor of Israel was assasinated for this very reason.
Support for Israel due to a domestic lobby has been around since their founding. The book the Israel lobby details it all in depressing detail. You should read it.
Its not about clean hands...its about who has the aparthied state.
Recall Israel conquered its Greater Israel in 1967 and almost immediately began moving its civilians onto the conquered lands into exclusive Jewish âoesettlementsâ, showing its clear intent to permanently include so-called Judea and Samaria into Greater Israel. It did so in direct contravention of the Fourth Geneva Convention which prohibits such population transfers as well as territorial annexations by an occupying power. It did so in full knowledge of the illegality of such steps as demonstrated by the famous Judge Meron secret legal memorandum.
Why donâ(TM)t we all just cut to the chase and apply Occamâ(TM)s razor to trim as much non-reality as possible from our arguments. Here are my first proposed two Occam-like issue statement simplifications to be used to better frame our arguments:
1. Is it possible to modify the current single apartheid state of Greater Israel such that the former Palestinian possessors/owners could gain either a separate state of their own, or a modicum of basic and essential human rights that would allow them to share equally in the benefits of Greater Israel?
2. Are Jews entitled to an apartheid state of their own to protect them from perceived future dangers of anti-Semitism, or do past crimes against Jews provide sufficient justification alone for a Jewish apartheid state?
3. If Jews are entitled under international law to an apartheid state of their own for either or both of the above reasons, shall this be a generally applicable international legal precedent for oppressed peoples or is it exclusive only to peoples specifically chosen, such as Jews?
The clear reality is this: a single, apartheid state of Greater Israel has existed since 1967, now 44 years. 10 percent of Israeli Jews now inhabit 40 percent of the West Bank and East Jerusalem and have asserted total oppressive control over the lives of the remaining Palestinians who live there. The numbers of illegal settlers and settlements grow rapidly with no end in sight. Ethnic cleansing and violence toward Palestinians, with the protection and enablement of the Israeli government and military continues and expands in parallel. Arguments need to be framed around that existing reality, not hypothetical future outcomes
This is what the Palestenians are fighting over, not hating Israel or some other made for American consumption POV.
They wouldnt drop it on Israel because unlike Israel, Iran has not in recent history attacked its neighbors. Unlike Israel, Iran is not expanding its territory. For goodness sakes, dont just believe what the government/media say...think for yourselves...what would Iran gain but killing millions of people...nothing.
Iranians do not want to destory Israel or kill Jewish people...that is creation of war mongers in Israel/US. The Iranians want to see an end to the problem of the 4 million refugees that were created because of Israel...there is clear international law that refugees have a right to return to the land they come from...however Israel is not a regular democracy...its a democracy with a forced Jewish majority..so they refuse to allow the people who were forced from their homes to return. So Iranians and many other people want to see an end to this special type of democracy...to Zionism as it keeping 4 million Palestenians from having justice.
The form a nation by terrorism(david hotel)...destroy villages (1948) , create refugees, conspire with the colonial powers to attack Egypt (1956), commit terrorist attacks in Egypt (lavon affair), pre-emptively attacks its neighbors (1967), invade Lebannon (1982), annex Jersusalem, move 500K citizens into areas outside their borders (see 80 UN resolutions) , bomb Lebanon (2006), bomb gaza (2008) and on and on...
yet some how its just poor Israel being picked on? groan...50 years from now people will look back in amazement that this little medeterrain nation was so rouge for so long...
oh get off it. The IAEA found that Iran was developing a nuke weapons...same old story as Iraq...the US then stamps its feet and calls into question the inspectors...
but lets play along, even if Iran were...developing weapons is NOT a justified cause for war.
Heck Israel has nuclear weapons themselves...who are they to say that Iran shouldnt develop them.
The US is occupying countries to the East and West of Iran...has thousands of nuclear weapons and is the only country to ever use...annilating nearly 150K+ civilians instantly...
but yes tell me again, how do we have the moral high ground to claim that Iran cant have them? How?
Lets stop with this the Arabs want to destroy poor innocent Israel bs.
Hizbolla exists for one reason...because Israel invaded and occupied Lebanon.
Likewise Iran has never attacked or been at war with Israel.
People in the region and the world for that matter rightfully do want to get rid of Zionism. An idealogy that by any definition is racist.
You know the.... 'my imaginary friend gave me this land thousands of years ago and now I am going bulldoze your village so that my people can live here'
The way you talk about the region...as if they were inferior (wild, wild west) they arent saints...makes me think you were a soldiger when you were there.
but I will throw out another one... There is no islamist wave covering the middle east...there are a bunch of unfree people whose governments the US loves because they buy our guns and keep quiet about the Palestenians....for sure the new Egyptian government, if there is one, will be more independent and to the US way of thinking that will be a threat and certainly they will be described as islamists and extremists...but thats all bull. Islamists is short hand slander for muslims who dont do as we say..
Egypt was attacked in 1956 because it nationalized the Suez canal. That is they kicked out the forgein powers England and France. These two countries than colluded with Israel to stage an attack and take the Siani. The US and the USSR sided with Egypt and made Israel give it back. Ike went on TV and spoke to the American people because even than the Israel lobby was powerful and some US congressman didnt back him..in what in retrospect was a black and white case of aggression for colonial powers.
Also look up the Lavon Affair. A series of bombings that Israel did in Egypt to try cause unrest...looking at the history its no wonder Egyptian and Israeli relations are what they are. Anyway so than Israel attacks again in 1967 takes more land...Egypt tries to make a peace accord, with Golda Mier...she refuses and then in 1973 Egypt attacks the one and only time a country has attacked Israel first...with the help of Nixon and the US...Egypt loses and then thanks to Carter they get a peace treaty with Israel in 78 or so. There it stays pretty much ever since. Egypt a pawn of the US, always supporting Israel/US despite all the mucky muck they are doing to the region.
Today without the USSR to play the bad guy, the world is reorganizing and the US/Israel are being reconized as the bad guys in the region...should mubarack fall...34 years of bribes will go out the window..you'll have turkey. iran. egypt cozying up to russia. china and the eu....and the world will be more complex for the US. Good I say
The Muslim Brotherhood has nothing to do with these protests. These are secular Egyptians from all around the country who for years have resented their leader whom is often a puppet to the US.
All due respect but before spouting off about something as if youre an expert RTFA or research it on your own.
Former US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice reassured Israel that the US military presence in Iraq should calm any Israeli security concerns "from the east," minutes from a 2008 trilateral meeting between Rice and the Israeli and Palestinian negotiation teams reveal.
Discussing the needs of Israel regarding Palestinian security forces in a future-Palestinian state, former foreign minister Tzipi Livni expressed concern over a third-party military force protecting a Palestinian state's external borders. Secretary Rice inserted, "At this time there is no threat from the east because our forces are in Iraq and will stay there for a long time." Chief Palestinian Authority negotiator Saeb Erekat added, "For a very, very long time."
Will this be on CNN? Fox? Will the leaders of our government respond this?
No. Cause thats the type of democracy/freedom we have...we only learn what our government is doing when government documents are leaked on the internet....
This is why they say negotiating for your state while Israel is building settlments is like negotiating for a pizza pie while the other person is eating the pizza.
"The Palestinians affirmed their position that negotiations are based on UNSCR 242 and 338, while the Israelis continued to assert their claims to land within the 1967 line and stressed they are not "giving" anything back. The Israelis backtracked on swaps and would not discuss swaps unless Ma'ale Adumim, Givat ze'ev and Ariel are discussed."
The Israelis are making a mockery of justice and the Palestenians have no one with enough power to stand up for them. I hope the Boycott movement catches on and does what the governements of the world have not done.
What are Israels borders. Does anyone know. According these papers...its all of Palestine...air rights, check points, the Jordan valley...but yet the Israelis they arent responsible for the people who live there...sounds kind of like a batswana to me. Seriously could you imagine the outrage if the Israelis were asked to accept a deal like this?
forget this two state bull.
One state. Equal rights for all...I dont see how anyone can say argue against it. Nothing else will work.
"in every major war that Israel has fought and taken land in, the first shots were fired by their enemies on Israeli soil."
oh such disgusting revisionism.
The Zionists and later the Israelis have had to use violence every step of the way to get their greater Israel...every war but one 1973 was pre-emptively started by Israel.
the war on the gaza refugees - 2008 the war on lebanon - 2006 the occupation of lebanon - 1982 the bombing of iraq nuke plant - 1981 the land grab of 1967 the attack on egypt along with britian and france in order to get the suez canal - 1956 the unilateral declaration of statehood and destruction of arab villages - 1947/48
How long? Cause if you say, they've been fighting for thousands of years in that area...its not historically correct. People who say that fall into the trap of it being an unresolveable issue.
Before the Zionists went there to establish a country...there were Jewish Palestenians...Muslim Palestenians and Christian Palestenians...living in peace for centuries...
they should have kept this arrangement.
This was Einsteins vision...
"I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from the practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain – especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight without a Jewish state."
Eventually I believe this is what will return to the area...maybe it will be called Israel..but there will be Jews, Christians and Arab living in one democracy that is not forced to have a majority for one religion.
From what I've read the Palestenians have for long seen the PA as being in bed with Israel...as they well are...a few years ago there was a long vanity fair article about how the PLO with US/Israel support attempted a violent coup in Gaza when Hamas legally won the election there. Hundreds maybe thousands died.
The thing about all these groups, which the US likes to paint as radicals....Hizbollah, Hamas, Iran...is that to the people, the refugees, the victims of state sponsored terrorists...these factions are at are least standing up for them...and in the eyes of the people who deal with Israel, the US, the PLO...the violent hamas is not any more morally terrible than Israel/US...from their perspective, this is unconterversial, its true.
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The question was absurd...if Iran which doesnt have a nuke and has not started a war in centuries launched a nuclear attack, something no country has ever done besides the US onto Israel...a country it has never militarily fought before what would the US do?
It was absurd, but it painted the picture Clinton wanted and let her come off as a tough guy against those 'muslims' during the election.
The US has overthrown an Iranian government, bombed oil rigs, boats, a civilian airliner, supported terrorists attacks in Iran, committed assasinations, and committed an endless string of crimes that would justify the Iranians to attack us...but they don't cause you know thats what the US wants. They want the excuse to bomb and go to war with Iran.
We are the bully of the world and I'm too old and have seen this bs too many times to believe that Iran is the bad guy in this...as if Iran is threatening the USA. bull.
Hillary Clinton was quoted as saying she would 'oblierate Iran if they ever attacked Israel.
John McCain sang a song about 'bomb, bomb, bomb Iran'
The US and Israel are what they claim to fight against.
The Shah did business with Israel as he was really a Western leader...but Iran did not reconize Israel officially. Israel was/is disliked for what it is...an European colony.
The Jewish population in Iran was massive and goes back centuries. Although tens of thousands have left there are still 30-50K Iranian Jews.
The Iranian leader called for the 'end of the Zionist regime' which was turned into the destruction of the Jewish state...cause that plays into the "Israel is hated cause of the Arabs are antiSemities bs that is pushed in the US.
The reality is Zionism is rightfully despised by 95% of the world because its is a racist idealogy..."lets setup a state for our ethno/religious group by pushing out the indigenous people of the area because in an imaginary man says it belongs to us" Das racist.
What a shameful piece of propaganda by slashdot...suggesting that Israels brutal occupation is somehow how a matter of perspective of camera angles? wtf?
Some facts...according to the respected human rights organization B'Tselem, exactly 753 Israeli civilians and 342 military personnel were been killed by Palestinians between September 2000 and September 2011. During that same period, the Israeli army killed6,487 Palestinians, at least half of whom were civilians. During Operation Cast Lead â" Israel's most recent illegal assault on the people of Gaza â" the Israeli military killed 1,397 Palestinians, mostly civilians. Three Israeli civilians were killed in the operation.
Clearly this is not a war between two equal parties. This is a vicious occupation against an oppressed and impoverished people, carried out by a powerful, nuclear armed state (Israel), and backed by the world's strongest military power (the U.S.). Shame on slashdot for being apologist for Israel. Shame.
mondoweiss.net
In 2006, the Palstenian civil society called for supporters of their cause to boycott, divest and sanction Israel whom is denying rights to over 4 million people who live in Israel based on thier religion.
Had the Palestenians not pulled the funding they would have been breaking their own boycott.
There is so much hasbra there...including the US supports Israel because of Christian Zionists line...no the US supports Israel because of the Israel lobby...don't believe me...read the diary of the first Defense Secâ(TM)y from 60 years ago.
4 September 1947 Cabinet Lunch
At the end of the lunch [Robert] Hannegan [Postmaster General] brought up the question of the Presidentâ(TM)s making a statement of policy on Palestine, particularly with reference to the entrance of a hundred and fifty thousand Jews into Palestine. He said he didnâ(TM)t want to press for a decision one way or the other but simply wanted to point out that such a statement would have a very great influence and great effect on the raising of funds for the Democratic National Committee. He said very large sums were obtained a year ago from Jewish contributors and that they would be influenced in either giving or withholding by what the President did on Palestine.
29 September 1947 [Conversation with president]
I asked the President whether it would not be possible to lift the Jewish-Palestine question out of politics. The President said it was worth trying although he obviously was skeptical.. [I said] It was dangerous to let it continue to be a matter of barter between the two partiesâ¦
6 October 1947 Cabinet Lunch
Hannegan brought up the question of Palestine. He said many people who had contributed to the Democratic campaign fund in 1944 were pressing hard for assurances from the administration of definitive support for the Jewish position in Palestine. The President said that if they would keep quiet he thought that everything would be all right, but that if they persisted in the endeavor to go beyond the report of the United Nations Commission there was grave danger of wrecking all prospects for settlement.
7 November 1947 Cabinet
[Middle East is a tinder box, warns Secretary of State George Marshall] I repeated my suggestion, made several times previously, that a serious attempt be made to lift the Palestine question out of American partisan politics. I said that there had been general acceptance of the fact that domestic politics ceased at the Atlantic Ocean and that no question was more charged with danger to our security than this particular one.
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/60-years-ago-first-defense-secy-said-zionist-pressure-endangered-us-security-all-the-way-to-afghanistan.html
In Israel it is now illegal to commerate the Nakba...that is the day when Palestenians remember the villlages destoryed, etc.
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/03/23/3086536/knesset-passes-nakba-law
It is also illegal to support the worldwide BDS movement that attempts to call attention to Israels occupation.
You would have to be in coma for the last 44 years or be reading just US media to believe that Israel is a place where freedom and democracy reside.
mondoweiss.net
During the Israels 1967 war...where Israel pre-emptively attacked their neighbors...the US gave them military intellegence support. RFK who was outspoken in favor of Israel was assasinated for this very reason.
Support for Israel due to a domestic lobby has been around since their founding. The book the Israel lobby details it all in depressing detail. You should read it.
Its not about clean hands...its about who has the aparthied state.
Recall Israel conquered its Greater Israel in 1967 and almost immediately began moving its civilians onto the conquered lands into exclusive Jewish âoesettlementsâ, showing its clear intent to permanently include so-called Judea and Samaria into Greater Israel. It did so in direct contravention of the Fourth Geneva Convention which prohibits such population transfers as well as territorial annexations by an occupying power. It did so in full knowledge of the illegality of such steps as demonstrated by the famous Judge Meron secret legal memorandum.
Why donâ(TM)t we all just cut to the chase and apply Occamâ(TM)s razor to trim as much non-reality as possible from our arguments. Here are my first proposed two Occam-like issue statement simplifications to be used to better frame our arguments:
1. Is it possible to modify the current single apartheid state of Greater Israel such that the former Palestinian possessors/owners could gain either a separate state of their own, or a modicum of basic and essential human rights that would allow them to share equally in the benefits of Greater Israel?
2. Are Jews entitled to an apartheid state of their own to protect them from perceived future dangers of anti-Semitism, or do past crimes against Jews provide sufficient justification alone for a Jewish apartheid state?
3. If Jews are entitled under international law to an apartheid state of their own for either or both of the above reasons, shall this be a generally applicable international legal precedent for oppressed peoples or is it exclusive only to peoples specifically chosen, such as Jews?
The clear reality is this: a single, apartheid state of Greater Israel has existed since 1967, now 44 years. 10 percent of Israeli Jews now inhabit 40 percent of the West Bank and East Jerusalem and have asserted total oppressive control over the lives of the remaining Palestinians who live there. The numbers of illegal settlers and settlements grow rapidly with no end in sight. Ethnic cleansing and violence toward Palestinians, with the protection and enablement of the Israeli government and military continues and expands in parallel. Arguments need to be framed around that existing reality, not hypothetical future outcomes
This is what the Palestenians are fighting over, not hating Israel or some other made for American consumption POV.
They wouldnt drop it on Israel because unlike Israel, Iran has not in recent history attacked its neighbors. Unlike Israel, Iran is not expanding its territory. For goodness sakes, dont just believe what the government/media say...think for yourselves...what would Iran gain but killing millions of people...nothing.
Iranians do not want to destory Israel or kill Jewish people...that is creation of war mongers in Israel/US. The Iranians want to see an end to the problem of the 4 million refugees that were created because of Israel...there is clear international law that refugees have a right to return to the land they come from...however Israel is not a regular democracy...its a democracy with a forced Jewish majority..so they refuse to allow the people who were forced from their homes to return. So Iranians and many other people want to see an end to this special type of democracy...to Zionism as it keeping 4 million Palestenians from having justice.
mondoweiss dot net
How can Israel always be the victim?
The form a nation by terrorism(david hotel)...destroy villages (1948) , create refugees, conspire with the colonial powers to attack Egypt (1956), commit terrorist attacks in Egypt (lavon affair), pre-emptively attacks its neighbors (1967), invade Lebannon (1982), annex Jersusalem, move 500K citizens into areas outside their borders (see 80 UN resolutions) , bomb Lebanon (2006), bomb gaza (2008) and on and on...
yet some how its just poor Israel being picked on? groan...50 years from now people will look back in amazement that this little medeterrain nation was so rouge for so long...
oh get off it. The IAEA found that Iran was developing a nuke weapons...same old story as Iraq...the US then stamps its feet and calls into question the inspectors...
but lets play along, even if Iran were...developing weapons is NOT a justified cause for war.
Heck Israel has nuclear weapons themselves...who are they to say that Iran shouldnt develop them.
The US is occupying countries to the East and West of Iran...has thousands of nuclear weapons and is the only country to ever use...annilating nearly 150K+ civilians instantly...
but yes tell me again, how do we have the moral high ground to claim that Iran cant have them? How?
Come on. Be serious.
Lets have some citations?
no?
Lets stop with this the Arabs want to destroy poor innocent Israel bs.
Hizbolla exists for one reason...because Israel invaded and occupied Lebanon.
Likewise Iran has never attacked or been at war with Israel.
People in the region and the world for that matter rightfully do want to get rid of Zionism. An idealogy that by any definition is racist.
You know the.... 'my imaginary friend gave me this land thousands of years ago and now I am going bulldoze your village so that my people can live here'
The way you talk about the region...as if they were inferior (wild, wild west) they arent saints...makes me think you were a soldiger when you were there.
Iran has never been at war with Israel.
Never.
They critize the Israeli the government..so now they are being demonized in attempt to get America to go to war against them.
oh these generalizations are absurd.
but I will throw out another one...
There is no islamist wave covering the middle east...there are a bunch of unfree people whose governments the US loves because they buy our guns and keep quiet about the Palestenians....for sure the new Egyptian government, if there is one, will be more independent and to the US way of thinking that will be a threat and certainly they will be described as islamists and extremists...but thats all bull. Islamists is short hand slander for muslims who dont do as we say..
so many mistakes in your post.
Egypt was attacked in 1956 because it nationalized the Suez canal. That is they kicked out the forgein powers England and France. These two countries than colluded with Israel to stage an attack and take the Siani. The US and the USSR sided with Egypt and made Israel give it back. Ike went on TV and spoke to the American people because even than the Israel lobby was powerful and some US congressman didnt back him..in what in retrospect was a black and white case of aggression for colonial powers.
Also look up the Lavon Affair. A series of bombings that Israel did in Egypt to try cause unrest...looking at the history its no wonder Egyptian and Israeli relations are what they are. Anyway so than Israel attacks again in 1967 takes more land...Egypt tries to make a peace accord, with Golda Mier...she refuses and then in 1973 Egypt attacks the one and only time a country has attacked Israel first...with the help of Nixon and the US...Egypt loses and then thanks to Carter they get a peace treaty with Israel in 78 or so. There it stays pretty much ever since. Egypt a pawn of the US, always supporting Israel/US despite all the mucky muck they are doing to the region.
Today without the USSR to play the bad guy, the world is reorganizing and the US/Israel are being reconized as the bad guys in the region...should mubarack fall...34 years of bribes will go out the window..you'll have turkey. iran. egypt cozying up to russia. china and the eu....and the world will be more complex for the US. Good I say
The Muslim Brotherhood has nothing to do with these protests. These are secular Egyptians from all around the country who for years have resented their leader whom is often a puppet to the US.
All due respect but before spouting off about something as if youre an expert RTFA or research it on your own.
http://mondoweiss.net/
Ethan Bronner the NY Times to Mid-east reporter has a son in the IDF.
Everything Americans know about the Middle East has been described to them from a biased source...just look at their movies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi1ZNEjEarw
Former US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice reassured Israel that the US military presence in Iraq should calm any Israeli security concerns "from the east," minutes from a 2008 trilateral meeting between Rice and the Israeli and Palestinian negotiation teams reveal.
Discussing the needs of Israel regarding Palestinian security forces in a future-Palestinian state, former foreign minister Tzipi Livni expressed concern over a third-party military force protecting a Palestinian state's external borders. Secretary Rice inserted, "At this time there is no threat from the east because our forces are in Iraq and will stay there for a long time." Chief Palestinian Authority negotiator Saeb Erekat added, "For a very, very long time."
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=204986
Will this be on CNN? Fox? Will the leaders of our government respond this?
No. Cause thats the type of democracy/freedom we have...we only learn what our government is doing when government documents are leaked on the internet....
This is why they say negotiating for your state while Israel is building settlments is like negotiating for a pizza pie while the other person is eating the pizza.
"The Palestinians affirmed their position that negotiations are based on UNSCR 242 and 338, while the Israelis continued to assert their claims to land within the 1967 line and stressed they are not "giving" anything back. The Israelis backtracked on swaps and would not discuss swaps unless Ma'ale Adumim, Givat ze'ev and Ariel are discussed."
The Israelis are making a mockery of justice and the Palestenians have no one with enough power to stand up for them. I hope the Boycott movement catches on and does what the governements of the world have not done.
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/01/israel-rejects-the-biggest-yerushalayim-while-palestinian-negotiators-plead-what-more-can-i-give.html#more-34124
What are Israels borders. Does anyone know. According these papers...its all of Palestine...air rights, check points, the Jordan valley...but yet the Israelis they arent responsible for the people who live there...sounds kind of like a batswana to me. Seriously could you imagine the outrage if the Israelis were asked to accept a deal like this?
forget this two state bull.
One state. Equal rights for all...I dont see how anyone can say argue against it. Nothing else will work.
"in every major war that Israel has fought and taken land in, the first shots were fired by their enemies on Israeli soil."
oh such disgusting revisionism.
The Zionists and later the Israelis have had to use violence every step of the way to get their greater Israel...every war but one 1973 was pre-emptively started by Israel.
the war on the gaza refugees - 2008
the war on lebanon - 2006
the occupation of lebanon - 1982
the bombing of iraq nuke plant - 1981
the land grab of 1967
the attack on egypt along with britian and france in order to get the suez canal - 1956
the unilateral declaration of statehood and destruction of arab villages - 1947/48
mondoweiss.net
How long? Cause if you say, they've been fighting for thousands of years in that area...its not historically correct. People who say that fall into the trap of it being an unresolveable issue.
Before the Zionists went there to establish a country...there were Jewish Palestenians...Muslim Palestenians and Christian Palestenians...living in peace for centuries...
they should have kept this arrangement.
This was Einsteins vision...
"I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from the practical considerations, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain – especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight without a Jewish state."
Eventually I believe this is what will return to the area...maybe it will be called Israel..but there will be Jews, Christians and Arab living in one democracy that is not forced to have a majority for one religion.
From what I've read the Palestenians have for long seen the PA as being in bed with Israel...as they well are...a few years ago there was a long vanity fair article about how the PLO with US/Israel support attempted a violent coup in Gaza when Hamas legally won the election there. Hundreds maybe thousands died.
The thing about all these groups, which the US likes to paint as radicals....Hizbollah, Hamas, Iran...is that to the people, the refugees, the victims of state sponsored terrorists...these factions are at are least standing up for them...and in the eyes of the people who deal with Israel, the US, the PLO...the violent hamas is not any more morally terrible than Israel/US...from their perspective, this is unconterversial, its true.