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On Retirement, Israeli General Takes Credit for Stuxnet Attacks
dinscott writes "Last month, The New York Times ran a story about Stuxnet having been developed by the Americans and the Israelis as a part of a joint project, but it was based on claims by confidential sources. It now seems that the information from these sources was correct. The Haaretz — Israel's oldest daily newspaper — reports on a surprising video that was played at a party organized for General Gabi Ashkenazi's last day on the job."
Did I miss something in the article, where does it confirm US involvement?
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
or are just the biggest jerks.
and Awe!
So did he get added to the "no fly" and terrorist watch lists?
Its spelled sophisticated.... There is no f, unlike the word fail, which is what you did with your attempt to spell
Israel - Meddling in others' affairs in the name of rampant, segregationist nationalistic fervor since 1948.
In other words, it confirms nothing.
"The Haaretz" is redundant since the Hebrew prefix 'ha' means 'the'.
There are half a dozen middle east countries currently working on building nuclear reactors, the situation will be quite different in ten years. The USA isn't going to protect you guys forever, why not make peace?
So this general takes credit for a virus that could still be working silently away, screwing the Iranians at every turn, if it had been competently written.
Quelle surprise!
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. And Israel is indeed in a tough neighborhood where every single day, hour, second... Every single moment is a desperate time. Ever since her inception the neighbors tried to annihilate her. That is why there is a policy of ambiguity when it comes to the nuclear weapons. And assassinations of the nuclear scientists working for Israelis enemies. And bombings of the Iraqi and Syrian reactors and finally yes -- the virus. And for any of you who would point a finger at the "neighborhood bully" -- remember, that you do not live in that neighborhood.
Mars Attacks. Great movie. Highly recommended.
How is Israel "keeping the Middle East nuclear-free" when it is widely regarded to have at least 100 nuclear weapons of its own? The Dimona Nuclear Complex is not exactly a secret.
General Ashke-NAZI?
Urban Dictionary:"1. Ashke
Word meaning "beloved" in the language of the Tayledra people. The Tayledras are a silver haired race of people from Mercedes Lackey's fiction novels."
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
Say that same thing, but change the "jews" with "aryans".
Yes, it sounds exactly like that.
Why do I have this sneaky suspicion that someone dropped a USB stick near the toilet and some worker picked it up and inserted it into a computer.
The problem is that there are no partners for peace at the moment. If you were to actually ask a real Gazan or Palestinian it is possible to make peace with Israel -- they will tell you that the best Qu'ran will allow them to do is "hudna" -- i.e. long term cease-fire. As for the nuclear technology becoming a common occurrence in the Middle East -- trust me Israel is keeping tabs on them. If you were to look at the history, in 1948 and 1967, the US did not always have Israel's back. Even in 1973 US has stopped Israel from marching onto Damascus and Cairo, just because Brezhnev threatened to send the Red Army into Sinai. And finally -- we just do not want a madman with the Supreme Council of Madmen who is openly hosting the Holocaust denial conferences while promising Jews another one by wiping Israel off the map to have a nuclear weapon.
Is this like a confirmation of an actual attack from one nation to another? Isn't that considered an act of war?
Does anyone think it is a coincidence that, just a few months after all the information about Stuxnet has come out and presumably Iran has secured its critical computers against drive-by install from flash drives, Microsoft closes the autorun hole with an update?
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Ahmadinejad craves Western technology while rejecting the social structure necessary to create that technology. They are the biggest bunch of hypocrites.
kinda racist there, so all Arabs are bent on war? What about the two largest Arab countries that have peace treaties with Israel, Egypt and Jordan?
Hamas doesn't want peace with Israel in the long term:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
The only peace they want is one where Israel is wiped out.
Fatah's old charter also stated similar stuff: http://www.alzaytouna.net/arabic/?c=1598&a=97061
Article (8) The Israeli existence in Palestine is a Zionist invasion with a colonial expansive base, and it is a natural ally to colonialism and international imperialism.
Article (12) Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.
Article (19) Armed struggle is a strategy and not a tactic, and the Palestinian Arab People's armed revolution is a decisive factor in the liberation fight and in uprooting the Zionist existence, and this struggle will not cease unless the Zionist state is demolished and Palestine is completely liberated.
Apparently their new one no longer calls for Israel's destruction. http://jta.org/news/article/2010/01/27/1010372/new-fatah-charter-omits-negationist-language
But there will be problems as long as most of them continue to hold on to the popular "radical/extremist Islam" concepts listed here: http://www.tawfikhamid.com/abcs-test-for-radical-islam/
You're operating on outdated ideas there.
First, the Quran does not say that, I think you're getting such a ridiculous notion from a neocon/zionist/Islamophobe. No "real Palestinian" (who?) would tell you that.
Second, look at The Palestine Papers. The Palestinian government just fell because the PA was scandalously offering to give away Jerusalem and most of Palestine with nothing in return, and yet Netanyahu's government rejected the offers.
Thirdly, the president of Iran is such a red herring. Does he control the military? No. Did he say "wipe Israel off the map?" No. To quote his exact words in Farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." No such idiom exists in Persian, and Ahmadinejad actually just quoted an old speech of Khomeini in which he said “The occupation regime (over Jerusalem) must vanish from the page of time.” It's not about tanks going into Israel, but more like how Regan said the USSR would one day only exist in a history book. Of course Ahmadinejad does wish Israel would disappear, but he is not the Supreme Leader so he cannot make such an order. It's like the US Secretary of the Interior saying Iran should be invaded, he has no authority to do so. Believe it or not, Ahmadinejad denies he is anti-Semitic, he supports Jewish leaders in Iran and groups like Naturei Karta, and insists he is anti-Zionist, not anti-Judaism.
The mandatory anti-Sionists comment: The Jews were behind it.
For once they were correct! :)
That paranoia trick is useless today - sorry
Microsoft is an accomplished cooperator here. They are doing its governments wishes, big deal.
What other tool reaches out globally with such power? None.
It may well become Android, which is also known to leak like hell. If the Nokia - Microsoft deal, the US government will have an even stronger tool available.
So, stuff your 9-11 Holocaust tax cuts were it belongs.
This is for real.
Why no one claims that I wrote it?
It would be just as plausible.
Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
[quote] No. Did he say "wipe Israel off the map?" No. To quote his exact words in Farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." No such idiom exists in Persian, and Ahmadinejad actually just quoted an old speech of Khomeini in which he said “The occupation regime (over Jerusalem) must vanish from the page of time.” [/quote]
Maybe people who say things like: "The occupation regime (over Jerusalem) must vanish from the page of time.” Should stop being suck fucking morons and stop saying shit like that because things like that will be interpreted by a lot of people fanatic muslims, anti-muslims, the whole western world , and a lot of people i forget to mention here, as: "We should wipe Israel of the map"
It can either be that he is to dumb to realize that quotes like that will just flame the hatred because people interpret it as calls for agression, but my guess is that if he's got the brain to get to be leader of a country, he fully realizes that...
You can be all 'he didn't say that, and he meant it in a good way' but that's bullshit... He knows he says thing that can be interpreted in a wrong way.... even if he doesn't comprehend that he shouldn't lead a country anyway....
If you don't like my sig then don't read it.
You're way off-topic here. How does this relate to Stuxnet?
Besides, most experts say that Hamas has de-facto recognized Israel for years and supports a two-state solution. One senior official was quoted to have said "We want a divorce from the Jews, not to live closer to them... Israel has won, why can't they just leave us alone."
Technically speaking, Microsoft really deserves more of the credit than Gabi Ashkenazi.
Nobody is saying "he meant it in a good way," but there's quite a difference in what he actually said and people interpreting it as a sign of genocidal intent
During the farewell ceremony for the Israeli army's chief of staff a video was shown that summarized the events of his term, that video included news reports about stuxnet and the attack on the nuclear reactor in Syria.
If Iran/pakistan/n.korea/... had created Stuxnet and it had targetted military infrastructure in the UK/USA/Israel/... imagine the broohaha, the passionate outpourings from politicians, the chasing down of those who wrote it.
But the USA/Israel did it: so that somehow makes it OK ?
"Nobody is saying "he meant it in a good way," but there's quite a difference in what he actually said and people interpreting it as a sign of genocidal intent."
It is reasonable to suppose that the interpretation of genocidal intent might be reasonable given the throngs of thousands chanting "Death To Israel" many weeks per year for for 32 years, and the support for Hezbollah which has an explicitly exterminationist policy.
If the interpretation was "we want Israel to change its policies to have a much more satisfactory resolution so that Jews and Arabs will live peaceably", that clarification could have been offered.
But as far as I am aware, the ratio of that vs "Death To Israel" is something like zero to 30,000.
"We should wipe Israel of the map" would be a fine example of modern propoganda, but we don't do that sort of thing, do we?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
From what I've read and heard, the Israeli view of the Middle East is that they really ARE out to get them. I'm sure they're quite likely to err on the side of pessimistic estimates of their neighbors enmity, because that's how they view recent history.
I think the phrase is lost in translation. In Persian, it means "Down with Israel," rather than the idea of killing everyone there that everyone is led to think. It doesn't mean killing or wiping everyone out.
When Mousavi was running in the presidential election against Ahmadinejad, the latter was giving away free potatoes to the crowds. Mousavi's followers didn't like that, and started the rallying cry "Death to Potatoes."
But there's the problem, if you act paranoid and bomb your neighbors, who in turn get pissed and start organizing military in defense, then suddenly you begin assuming your paranoia was valid all along. Case in point, Hizbullah didn't exist until after 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon and then began claiming sections of it as Israeli land promised to it by God.
"Ghabi" means "Stupid" in Arabic... If you don't believe me, look it up.
But, well said. The whole "We're under threat so we have to attack our neighbours and steal the land of non-Jews who live in our country" is a complete distortion of one of the world's greatest cultures. In the US and the UK, Jews are doing (for the most part) very well, and deservedly so because of their focus on social cohesiveness, education, and family values. Like Ireland and many Middle Eastern states, Israel has suffered from a succession of piss-poor governments (which are, because of their policies, themselves a threat to the security of Jews world-wide). In today's world, the Zionists are past their sell-by date.
From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
to take credit for the work of his subordinates. I doubt this joker could put together "Hello World" in any major programming language or is personally capable of conceptualizing or planning a complex cyber operation. Did anyone else catch the irony of his name, Gabi may be a bit too Gabby. Ohh the hubris of it all.
Hezbollah was created after the Amal militia proved ineffective against the Sunni's and Christians. Stop kidding yourself, the Israelis were simply the local boogie-man Hezbollah trots out to scare the locals into supporting it.
Really, if that's the case, then let's look at their founding manifesto. In 1985, they listed their goals (from wikipedia):
Granted this translation comes from an Israeli website, but the fact that Israel was colonizing Lebanon made for a pretty popular rallying point of opposition. In 2009 they updated their manifesto, given that Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon (though they do keep bombing it and shooting people over the border)
They have neither denied nor confirmed this. But it doesn't matter. What matters, is, that Israel's neighbors think that they might have nuclear weapons. Which is a great deterrent against starting a war with Israel.
Did Israel develop Stuxnet? And are they capable of creating even more nasty computer weapons? Again, it is very formidable, to have your enemies think that you have stuff . . . even if you don't. So this could be a clever disinformation leak . . . or maybe not . . .
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
I just read the original article, and as a fluent Hebrew speaker, can safely say that it's been grossly misquoted and misinterpreted.
During the generals retirement party, news coverage of both the Stuxnet and the Syrian reactor attack was shown, probably as part of a recent army related events montage. This was no power-point slide titled "recent accomplishments". The conclusion drawn here are akin to claiming that the US was responsible for the recent unrest in Egypt, since news coverage of that even was played at the retirement party of a state secretary...
Israel may have been responsible for these events, but I'd hardly say this "evidence" is conclusive
I think it's understood that Saudi laws are crazy, what with the hand cutting and the sex segregation and whatever else goes with some of their stifling, barbaric tribal traditions.
If you ask any arab about Saudi Arabia, they'll tell you that the only good things about current Saudi Arabia are money and dates.
"as far as you're aware"?
Do you watch Iranian TV channels? How about international news channels based in the region like Al Jazeera? Don't speak Arabic or Farsi? How about PressTV or AJE? (they both have "Watch live online" buttons)
Still No? Then it's kinda bold of you to say that it's something like zero people who articulate balanced critiques of Israeli foreign policy. Has it occurred to you that news outlets like CNN will never air such material unless it's inflammatory and "News-worthy?" Believe it or not, there are intelligent and rational people in other parts of the world who have forums, commentators, and Op-ed pages just like the US and Europe do.
(though they do keep bombing it and shooting people over the border)
What, with catapults?
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Don't you people read the news?
Ex-CIA spy arrested in St. Louis to be released on $10,000 bond
Jeffrey A. Sterling, 43, was arrested Jan. 6 in St. Louis on 10 counts, including obstruction of justice and unauthorized disclosure of national security information. He is accused of leaking classified documents and information about an agency program to a New York Times reporter. It is believed Sterling is accused of disclosing details of a ruse to thwart Iran's nuclear weapons program.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_9549d88e-28af-11e0-b8b4-00127992bc8b.html
I mean Israel keeps shooting over the border. And now Israel is threatening to invade Lebanon again
But realistically, anything that prevents or delays Iran from getting nuclear weapons is a good thing. And if it can be done without the loss of life or even any physical property damage, so much the better.
I really don't know who is responsible for Stuxnet, but historians will probably look back on it as an important victory in the struggle to prevent medieval religious nutcase thugs from obtaining nuclear weapons.
Iran and Israel are in a state of war.
Committing an act of war against a country with which you are, in fact, in a state of war, is not a crime, nor anything to be embarassed about.
If Israel ever thought they would play nice with Iran, sabotage isn't exactly the way to good relations...
You do realize that PressTV is a bunch of lying sons of bitches? In 2009 they went so far as to "interview" an Iranian dissident in a room made to look like a studio, that was in fact a cell in Tehran's notorious Evin prison.
This is a nonstory
The state of Israel was obviously created to keep the region in turmoil. It has succeeded brilliantly. Go Brits!
There can never be peace in the middle east until the people living there give up their ridiculous religions. Any religion that tells you to treat people who believe different things like subhumans is evil and must be destroyed.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Read the guy's name. The head of the super-secret cyber attack force is named "Gabi Ashkenazi" i.e. a European Jew who talks too much. Right. Reminds me of that "Under the Bleachers" by Seymour Butts joke.
There can never be peace in the middle east until the people living there give up their ridiculous religions.
I wonder why no one thought of that breathtakingly stupid argument before?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
No matter any offense committed by Israel, the US will continue to support endless Wars for Israel, it all started nearly a decade ago under a false flag attack.
9/11 and Israel, here:
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526
I wonder why no one thought of that breathtakingly stupid argument before?
Many, many people have thought up this argument before. It doesn't seem likely to happen any time soon, and people are in denial, which is why you don't hear it more often.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
there's a huge difference between a declaration and an action. e.g. "i'll fcking kill him!" vs "omg he's fcking killed him!"
The Iranians are not even Arabs and mostly put on a big show of hating Israel so that the Arabs will think they have a lot more in common with Iran than with another non-Arab Islamic state like Indonesia or Pakistan.
Oy freaking vey, where to start? - TFA is nothing more than speculation. No confirmation.
- TFA's link to googtrans of the original Ha'aretz is broken. Fortunately for me I can read the original article. That too is nothing more than speculation.
- Ha'aretz is hardly the best source anyway. They are like the Fox News of the Israeli left.
- The whole "ZOMG JOOS" mentality surrounding Stuxnet from day one mentality is unfortunately not surprising. Somewhere down inside I'd hope Slashdot was "better than that" but since these articles keep getting posted with many comments, I guess I was wrong. Again.
That does not seem to be the take on it by the author of the Guardian UK article that is referenced in your huffingtonpost link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/14/potatoes-iran-election-protest
Hey, it's fair game. China hits us, Israel hits Iran...US posturing on this topic is breathtakingly hypocritical.
So you actually think the Persians want to KILL potatoes? If that's the case, I can't change your belief. Go ask an actual Iranian then.
No, I think that your interpretation that the phrase used means "Down with .." is clearly at odds with what the author of the Guardian UK article thought and stated that it meant, i.e., "Death to .." .
I hope that clarifies the issue for you.
If you were to actually ask a real Gazan or Palestinian it is possible to make peace with Israel -- they will tell you that the best Qu'ran will allow them to do is "hudna" -- i.e. long term cease-fire.
normally i'd see a sentence like that and toss it into the 'dumb racist blowhard' pile, but since 4 million souls are being brutalized at this exact moment, i have to say that beside being ignorant, racist, and ridiculous on its face, trotting out this canard to justify the rest of your post casually justifying the whole bloody criminal enterprise, is really over the top. congrats
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Verify this for yourself, it made me ill, personally:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/browse_thread/thread/2385ab653d66252/6cc421202f854b7b
Disgusting... especially the "top 5":
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#1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim (Gentiles) is like killing a wild
animal."
#2. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be
violated."
#3. Yebamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted
if she is three years of age."
#4. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
#5. Yebamoth 98a: "All gentile children are animals."
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Got kids of your own, especially daughters? Perhaps that list above, only partial mind you, is their reason and why Jews are hated and shunned the world over and have been since time immemorial?
Like I said: You read, you verify, you decide.
You ought to read what's below your words quoted, and re-evaluate your stance:
Verify this for yourself, it made me ill, personally:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/browse_thread/thread/2385ab653d66252/6cc421202f854b7b [google.com]
Disgusting... especially the "top 5":
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#1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim (Gentiles) is like killing a wild
animal."
#2. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be
violated."
#3. Yebamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted
if she is three years of age."
#4. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
#5. Yebamoth 98a: "All gentile children are animals."
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Got kids of your own, especially daughters? Perhaps that list above, only partial mind you, is their reason and why Jews are hated and shunned the world over and have been since time immemorial?
Like I said: You read, you verify, you decide.
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