The example of someone who is over-weight can be misleading. So someone who is X lbs overweight demans the same "price" as someone who is X lbs underweight? I doubt it. I think in this case, we can say even people who are at the "norm" are more likely to to require a higher price than people who are "thin"... And I would be willing to bet that outward appearance has a lot to do with it too. I think this is more about what's "acceptable" or what society says is "desirable." Anyone who has a better "image" probably cares less about privacy (in general), not those who deviate from the norm.
The point isn't that the store has your name and address. That isn't what the privacy issue is about. You gave them that information, of course they know! The issue is about the store tracking what you buy. Signing a card for discounts isn't an acknowledgement that they will be tracking your purchases. In fact, they don't need this at all. You're in their store, and they can watch what you buy if they like. I mean they've always done this with credit card numbers.
Is it an invasion of privacy because the bar tender remembers what drink you ordered last time? Isn't it the same thing?
Interestingly, some stores did not use the information because they felt it violated the customer's privacy.... and it would cost them more money to do so.
I always considered what information I give someone or a company to be "public" information. If I didn't want them knowing what I bought, I wouldn't have taken the card. But you know, that's your payment to them for the discount. And if you think they haven't been traking your purchases all along you're very naive.
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I really don't understand the move to make software copyrights or patents by the goverment longer lasting. It would seem to me that software actually has a shorter valuable life than other things, and therefore should be put into "public domain" sooner than other things. One of the points that SCO tried to make against Linux is that copyrights are supposed to be "for profit" so that they will encourage innovation... I think in software, innovation will best be served with shorter copyright durations and... well, I think patents in software are almost all but pointless.
One of the best things about the Internet is that no one owns it. It is a shared resource. Not many true shared resources these days. And like with all shared resources, it asks that the people who share it be responsible with it.
I really don't like that. I mean I guess it's fair to say if they call intellectual property "property" or mp3 trading theft, then they can call this theft as well... and sure there are some similarities, but...
I wouldn't classify this as theft. Maybe use different language?
After reading this... I thought "how might one go and prove that X is spam?" How do you prove that you haven't given permission, or that another company (through something you agreed to online) didn't give permission on your behalf? It's really hard to prove a negative.
Maybe adults are entitled to this kind of "privacy" but adults are also fully responsible for their actions under the law. Children are not. Their parents are often responsible. So it is a moot point. Of course children aren't entitled to full "privacy" from their parents, as the law states the parents are responsible for their actions! This is why I felt your judgement of what some other parent feels for their judgement is void.
Maybe I'm bitter because my cell phone doesn't work 80% of the time. Anyway, I'm not willing to pay extra for their roaming charges. (Or whoever charges them.)
If I'm right, this essentially has the effect of making RH the responsible party, therefore giving any of their customers who do not modify source at least a way to get their money back (sue RH, worst case) if they have to shell out any to SCO.
"What if your kid was going to get a free and legal abortion without speaking with you about it, you checked on them, and saw they were at the clinic. I would assume that my child was being pretty responsible, though some parents may have an anyurism finding out that not only was their child sexually active, but also having an abortion."
What a paradox. You want people to be able to keep their privacy so that you can have the ability to keep their children doing what you think is best for them, regardless of how their parents feel. Sounds a lot like people who think that their religion is best for your kids in their school, so they fight to keep it in...
1) Many linux dist are free as in beer, but the school will have to pay for the cost of the physical distrobution, UNLESS a big company like RH decides to do this as a promotion (wouldn't be a bad move for them).
2) You have to appeal to the whole teaching/learning aspect of schools. If they get Windows for free, why should they choose Linux? Because of superior EDUCATIONAL software? Because the Linux system is more educational in nature itself? Now it seems the fact that Linux can't run some fancy games is actually a selling point;)
Essentially making Linux backwardly compatible with Windows is bad for Linux. Unlike the tech community, most people have a hard time letting go of their own programs. So it's a two-edged sword. The ideal thing to do would be to promote Linux by REPLACING those apps with better ones on Linux. This is what is being done.
I think wine should concentrate on running games.
On another note, I think vmware is way over-priced, but if they started to market the general public at $50 a pop saying you won't lose any compatibility with windows, some people might go for it for their legacy apps.
* Note: I don't think vmware is over-priced for what it is or does--I think it's over-priced for the market.
Ummmm... so the requirement is for Linux to have to share its devices with Windows? Nice. I think the fact that Linux can pick up Windows shared printers easily over smb (a few clicks did it for me on RH) makes it ahead of Windows in terms of compatibility. I don't see MS making it a high priority to be able to print to UNIX network printers. How about make a comparison of sharing a printer from Linux to Linux, since we're talking about if the majority of people were using Linux?
If you have actually tried to teach someone how to use a computer the FIRST TIME, you would know that the difference between "right clicking" and "left clicking" isn't intuitive. In fact, even the terms aren't intuitive. "What's a right click?" Not to mention the fact that for some odd reason, because they're using their right hand most of the time, the index finger is the impulse you get when you think "right click." Is there a study on this phenomenon?
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Unless of course you consider the fact that even with everyone against them, Microsoft still IS the majority.
The example of someone who is over-weight can be misleading. So someone who is X lbs overweight demans the same "price" as someone who is X lbs underweight? I doubt it. I think in this case, we can say even people who are at the "norm" are more likely to to require a higher price than people who are "thin"... And I would be willing to bet that outward appearance has a lot to do with it too. I think this is more about what's "acceptable" or what society says is "desirable." Anyone who has a better "image" probably cares less about privacy (in general), not those who deviate from the norm.
Just an observation.
The point isn't that the store has your name and address. That isn't what the privacy issue is about. You gave them that information, of course they know! The issue is about the store tracking what you buy. Signing a card for discounts isn't an acknowledgement that they will be tracking your purchases. In fact, they don't need this at all. You're in their store, and they can watch what you buy if they like. I mean they've always done this with credit card numbers.
Is it an invasion of privacy because the bar tender remembers what drink you ordered last time? Isn't it the same thing?
Interestingly, some stores did not use the information because they felt it violated the customer's privacy. ... and it would cost them more money to do so.
I always considered what information I give someone or a company to be "public" information. If I didn't want them knowing what I bought, I wouldn't have taken the card. But you know, that's your payment to them for the discount. And if you think they haven't been traking your purchases all along you're very naive.
I really don't understand the move to make software copyrights or patents by the goverment longer lasting. It would seem to me that software actually has a shorter valuable life than other things, and therefore should be put into "public domain" sooner than other things. One of the points that SCO tried to make against Linux is that copyrights are supposed to be "for profit" so that they will encourage innovation... I think in software, innovation will best be served with shorter copyright durations and ... well, I think patents in software are almost all but pointless.
they're so funny!!
I guess they're going to sue ANSI or ISO, or maybe IEEE for stealing "their" error code numbers!
One of the best things about the Internet is that no one owns it. It is a shared resource. Not many true shared resources these days. And like with all shared resources, it asks that the people who share it be responsible with it.
Considering IBM is a policy member...
I really don't like that. I mean I guess it's fair to say if they call intellectual property "property" or mp3 trading theft, then they can call this theft as well... and sure there are some similarities, but...
I wouldn't classify this as theft. Maybe use different language?
After reading this... I thought "how might one go and prove that X is spam?" How do you prove that you haven't given permission, or that another company (through something you agreed to online) didn't give permission on your behalf? It's really hard to prove a negative.
Can we put this one under "humor"?
Make software more annoying, one Digital Signature at a time.
Seriously, HOW preventive is this? All these controls seem to be made to annoy legit users above and beyond everything else.
Can someone provide a definition for vaporware, or link?
Maybe adults are entitled to this kind of "privacy" but adults are also fully responsible for their actions under the law. Children are not. Their parents are often responsible. So it is a moot point. Of course children aren't entitled to full "privacy" from their parents, as the law states the parents are responsible for their actions! This is why I felt your judgement of what some other parent feels for their judgement is void.
No offense intended.
Maybe I'm bitter because my cell phone doesn't work 80% of the time. Anyway, I'm not willing to pay extra for their roaming charges. (Or whoever charges them.)
If I'm right, this essentially has the effect of making RH the responsible party, therefore giving any of their customers who do not modify source at least a way to get their money back (sue RH, worst case) if they have to shell out any to SCO.
Right?
"What if your kid was going to get a free and legal abortion without speaking with you about it, you checked on them, and saw they were at the clinic. I would assume that my child was being pretty responsible, though some parents may have an anyurism finding out that not only was their child sexually active, but also having an abortion."
What a paradox. You want people to be able to keep their privacy so that you can have the ability to keep their children doing what you think is best for them, regardless of how their parents feel. Sounds a lot like people who think that their religion is best for your kids in their school, so they fight to keep it in...
Or get sprint where you have to pay extra to get the feature... but it won't matter because you won't get any reception anyway.
It is difficult, but I have a few thoughts:
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1) Many linux dist are free as in beer, but the school will have to pay for the cost of the physical distrobution, UNLESS a big company like RH decides to do this as a promotion (wouldn't be a bad move for them).
2) You have to appeal to the whole teaching/learning aspect of schools. If they get Windows for free, why should they choose Linux? Because of superior EDUCATIONAL software? Because the Linux system is more educational in nature itself? Now it seems the fact that Linux can't run some fancy games is actually a selling point
Essentially making Linux backwardly compatible with Windows is bad for Linux. Unlike the tech community, most people have a hard time letting go of their own programs. So it's a two-edged sword. The ideal thing to do would be to promote Linux by REPLACING those apps with better ones on Linux. This is what is being done.
I think wine should concentrate on running games.
On another note, I think vmware is way over-priced, but if they started to market the general public at $50 a pop saying you won't lose any compatibility with windows, some people might go for it for their legacy apps.
* Note: I don't think vmware is over-priced for what it is or does--I think it's over-priced for the market.
Two very good, sound points. So the solution is to get kids to start using Linux in schools.
Ummmm... so the requirement is for Linux to have to share its devices with Windows? Nice. I think the fact that Linux can pick up Windows shared printers easily over smb (a few clicks did it for me on RH) makes it ahead of Windows in terms of compatibility. I don't see MS making it a high priority to be able to print to UNIX network printers. How about make a comparison of sharing a printer from Linux to Linux, since we're talking about if the majority of people were using Linux?
If you have actually tried to teach someone how to use a computer the FIRST TIME, you would know that the difference between "right clicking" and "left clicking" isn't intuitive. In fact, even the terms aren't intuitive. "What's a right click?" Not to mention the fact that for some odd reason, because they're using their right hand most of the time, the index finger is the impulse you get when you think "right click." Is there a study on this phenomenon?