I'm not seeing it as one there not the other. I think it's both. Lazy are attracted to TV and the consequence is that they become even more lazy and ensnared in the TV culture / habit.
Just because a vehicle "Feels Safe" doesn't mean that it is. Many of those cheap big SUVs actually fare worse in crash tests than a more pricey reasonably sized car.
Shame there're so many worthy cars / engines that for whatever reasons don't make it to the US market: like the Subaru turbo diesel boxer... and I don't my BMW is sold in the US either.
AHH... This makes sense. I'm sorry, I should have said right from the get go: I have no intentions of ever reading or abiding by any license for an eBook put forth by Amazon or Sony. Rather I will continue to buy used books and I will happily download any digital content I find. I can't say that I have the vindictive anger at book publishers that I have for music and film publishers... it's not like I have quit buying their products entirely as I have with the music & film publishers. I like books and I, given a fair price, would buy them regardless of a digital version existing or coming with it. However I don't feel compelled to comply with such things that I find repugnant (like the Kindle agreement I just read) and I suppose given enough of that I may quit doing so much business with them.
Currently I do spend a lot of money with Amazon especially buying new reference books in my field, often at between $150 & 200 per book or books in English (which, from Amazon.de, come at a premium). Given those prices, they should come with a digital version. Unfortunately I'm sure the reference or specialty books will be the last sorts of book coming to the eBook format. Actually come to think of it, I think for most books if I've bought a paper copy I should have rights to read a digital copy. I have no doubt, if I pirated a book and it was very good I'd eventually windup with a paper copy on my bookshelf.
Then one can plug a new source into the other socket (if it is open) cut the power at the breaker and remove/ rip the socket from the wall. Seriously once you begin thinking in this way it's not hard to come up with a lot a variations of this theme which would allow removal of a running computer.
My point was not that it was highly advanced technology but rather that it existed and was available to forensics techs in the form of portable tool boxes.
I wonder how many people out there have put zillions of hours into making a secure system that a minimally trained enforcement agent could keep going & open until a forensic team arrived and removed the system to a lab and accessed the data without once dealing with system security or encryption.
If investigative forensics types are using these sorts of things, I'll bet espionage types (industrial or otherwise) are also using them.
Well given the the state of things I'd say you you have a few choices.
1: Comply with the law and destroy any hard drive, at least in accordance with DOD SOPs for such things, which possibly could have stored any part of that data. 2: Comply with the law and delete the data using a multi-pass shredding algorithm, continue to use the drive and hope you are never truly investigated 3: Do not comply with the law and encrypt your data, though if you are going to bother with this, you probably ought to use new hard drives 4: don't do a damn thing and go on with your life 5: give the hard drive to someone you don't like.
But all of this is academic... I doubt many people have real reasons to do these things.
I do know I wouldn't be happy showing any of my data to anyone... not a computer repair man, not a customs officer, not a policeman (with or without a warrant). The various reports of misunderstandings, overreactions, and random perfidy sort of freak me out and I don't even have any porn.
You should check out the forensics tools kits that enforcements agencies are using these days.
Things to allow them to provide uninterrupted power to a computer while unplugging and moving it. Things to move the mouse so the system doesn't time out and go to sleep.
Just based on the railroading guy I used to work with got I'd say you'd be better of not having illegal images on your computer at all or if having whatever it is, was so important to you important to you you'd be willing to detonate the computer and office it was in, should it be moved or otherwise tampered with.
Pity you have trouble being polite when you disagree with other people, you should work on that. You also appear to have troubles with reading comprehension as I have addressed all of your 'questions' earlier in the thread. I've got time, I'm waiting for the train, so I really was tempted to completely rehash everything I said earlier outlining and perhaps throw in some new thoughts as to why I thought MP3's have little to no momentary value but honestly what's the point? You've obviously made up your mind and this isn't likely to continue to be a polite conversation.
Lovely snarky point you have there. I suppose I should have specified monetary value. As the ID3 tags obviously have no value without the audio I would say that this is reciprocal property: having a bunch of ID3 tags with no audio is as about as useful as having a bunch of audio files with no tags. Following the current CD model the tags don't come from the CD. So, now that we've had this discussion, I'll restate my thoughts: the audio portion of an MP3 file has a roughly equivalent value as the ID3 tags. I get the ID3 tags for free, thus the audio portion has no monetary value.
In truth, I find myself listening to spoken word (podcasts) as much or more than music. What music I do listen to I get from the artist, typically from a purchase at a show or festival. Though I do have a large bootleg collection and I do enjoy those recordings.
I have written 4 separate artists and asked them for alternative avenue to purchase their art (as that they are not likely to tour in my neck of the woods) and was unsuccessful in all counts.
OK. I read your post. I get your logic. But I disagree with what I thought your inferred conclusion was: There will always be artists who want different compensation for their art and allow for different presentation of their art. There will always be record labels. There will always be variation in copyright laws in different countries. Ergo the Status Quo or similar is justifiable.
I don't think the Status Quo is justifiable. I don't think the lawsuits, the intimidation, the harsh penalties, none of this is justifiable against a casual downloader.
I have concluded this, right after I thought a while about the value of music. Live shows have value, just as T-Shirts, Posters, and other physical art has value. A CD without a reasonable media replacement policy has little value and the cover art that comes with CD has almost no value. The actual audio portion of a song I receive from radio has little value.
And thus the Audio portion of a MP3 file has little or no innate value. What gives MP3s greater value are what you can do with them. If you have a collection of MP3's it just as important to have correct & complete ID3 tagging as it is to have the audio portion. This allows you to group, sort, find, and select specific files. Being able to discover new music based on past preference and the current state of the world of music also increases value (you could call this meaningful targeted advertising).
So in my MP3 music collection very little of what has value comes from artists, the record label representing them, or the industry associations that bank role their operations. The ID3 tags are from places like music brainz and LastFM, the manipulation is from applications like iTunes, Song Bird or Media Monkey, the advertising is from blogs, webpages, forums, and torrent trackers.
Where are the labels and industry associates in this? Why should I pay these people a lot money when I so little of what gives the MP3 value comes from them? Because this is the legal frame work we find ourselves in? This isn't a very satisfying answer. Because the Artists deserve money for their art? The current system is designed to prevent the end consumer from paying the artists directly and I'm not giving money to the bankers and advertisers they do business with. Besides, they have plenty of opportunity to get my money when they tour in support of their album. And then I'm buying T-Shirts and Concert Tickets, and the occasional CD.
You get said parties ready for said keelhauling and I swear to the fucking gods I will provide an old ship with a barnacle encrusted hull to do the keelhauling with.
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I'm not seeing it as one there not the other. I think it's both. Lazy are attracted to TV and the consequence is that they become even more lazy and ensnared in the TV culture / habit.
amazing how leaving out a "n't" ruins an otherwise good joke.
Me too. I remember the last traffic jam I was in where it was just people being retarded.
It was 1960.
Just because a vehicle "Feels Safe" doesn't mean that it is. Many of those cheap big SUVs actually fare worse in crash tests than a more pricey reasonably sized car.
Shame there're so many worthy cars / engines that for whatever reasons don't make it to the US market: like the Subaru turbo diesel boxer... and I don't my BMW is sold in the US either.
AHH... This makes sense. I'm sorry, I should have said right from the get go: I have no intentions of ever reading or abiding by any license for an eBook put forth by Amazon or Sony. Rather I will continue to buy used books and I will happily download any digital content I find. I can't say that I have the vindictive anger at book publishers that I have for music and film publishers... it's not like I have quit buying their products entirely as I have with the music & film publishers. I like books and I, given a fair price, would buy them regardless of a digital version existing or coming with it. However I don't feel compelled to comply with such things that I find repugnant (like the Kindle agreement I just read) and I suppose given enough of that I may quit doing so much business with them.
Currently I do spend a lot of money with Amazon especially buying new reference books in my field, often at between $150 & 200 per book or books in English (which, from Amazon.de, come at a premium). Given those prices, they should come with a digital version. Unfortunately I'm sure the reference or specialty books will be the last sorts of book coming to the eBook format. Actually come to think of it, I think for most books if I've bought a paper copy I should have rights to read a digital copy. I have no doubt, if I pirated a book and it was very good I'd eventually windup with a paper copy on my bookshelf.
man, I've got thousands of books I bought used and I'm planning on getting an eBook reader in 2008.
I don't get your statement at all.
Yes, you are out of the loop.
generally, I'm pretty cranky about the Al Gore created teh internet bullshit.
However "Implemented from the primordial swellness of Gore" is pure gold.
Keep up the good work!
Then one can plug a new source into the other socket (if it is open) cut the power at the breaker and remove/ rip the socket from the wall. Seriously once you begin thinking in this way it's not hard to come up with a lot a variations of this theme which would allow removal of a running computer.
My point was not that it was highly advanced technology but rather that it existed and was available to forensics techs in the form of portable tool boxes.
I wonder how many people out there have put zillions of hours into making a secure system that a minimally trained enforcement agent could keep going & open until a forensic team arrived and removed the system to a lab and accessed the data without once dealing with system security or encryption.
If investigative forensics types are using these sorts of things, I'll bet espionage types (industrial or otherwise) are also using them.
It's far simpler than tha. They just plug in to an empty plug on the power strip.
Well given the the state of things I'd say you you have a few choices.
1: Comply with the law and destroy any hard drive, at least in accordance with DOD SOPs for such things, which possibly could have stored any part of that data.
2: Comply with the law and delete the data using a multi-pass shredding algorithm, continue to use the drive and hope you are never truly investigated
3: Do not comply with the law and encrypt your data, though if you are going to bother with this, you probably ought to use new hard drives
4: don't do a damn thing and go on with your life
5: give the hard drive to someone you don't like.
But all of this is academic... I doubt many people have real reasons to do these things.
I do know I wouldn't be happy showing any of my data to anyone... not a computer repair man, not a customs officer, not a policeman (with or without a warrant).
The various reports of misunderstandings, overreactions, and random perfidy sort of freak me out and I don't even have any porn.
You should check out the forensics tools kits that enforcements agencies are using these days.
Things to allow them to provide uninterrupted power to a computer while unplugging and moving it.
Things to move the mouse so the system doesn't time out and go to sleep.
Just based on the railroading guy I used to work with got I'd say you'd be better of not having illegal images on your computer at all or if having whatever it is, was so important to you important to you you'd be willing to detonate the computer and office it was in, should it be moved or otherwise tampered with.
Pity you have trouble being polite when you disagree with other people, you should work on that. You also appear to have troubles with reading comprehension as I have addressed all of your 'questions' earlier in the thread. I've got time, I'm waiting for the train, so I really was tempted to completely rehash everything I said earlier outlining and perhaps throw in some new thoughts as to why I thought MP3's have little to no momentary value but honestly what's the point? You've obviously made up your mind and this isn't likely to continue to be a polite conversation.
Have fun with your self righteous indignation...
My GF died her cat purple years ago. He was embarrassed... I hadn't seen an embarrassed cat before.
:)
I'll have to get out those photos, I don't think our daughter remembers that
Lovely snarky point you have there. I suppose I should have specified monetary value. As the ID3 tags obviously have no value without the audio I would say that this is reciprocal property: having a bunch of ID3 tags with no audio is as about as useful as having a bunch of audio files with no tags. Following the current CD model the tags don't come from the CD. So, now that we've had this discussion, I'll restate my thoughts: the audio portion of an MP3 file has a roughly equivalent value as the ID3 tags. I get the ID3 tags for free, thus the audio portion has no monetary value.
In truth, I find myself listening to spoken word (podcasts) as much or more than music.
What music I do listen to I get from the artist, typically from a purchase at a show or festival.
Though I do have a large bootleg collection and I do enjoy those recordings.
I have written 4 separate artists and asked them for alternative avenue to purchase their art (as that they are not likely to tour in my neck of the woods) and was unsuccessful in all counts.
OK. I read your post. I get your logic. But I disagree with what I thought your inferred conclusion was: There will always be artists who want different compensation for their art and allow for different presentation of their art. There will always be record labels. There will always be variation in copyright laws in different countries. Ergo the Status Quo or similar is justifiable.
I don't think the Status Quo is justifiable. I don't think the lawsuits, the intimidation, the harsh penalties, none of this is justifiable against a casual downloader.
I have concluded this, right after I thought a while about the value of music. Live shows have value, just as T-Shirts, Posters, and other physical art has value. A CD without a reasonable media replacement policy has little value and the cover art that comes with CD has almost no value. The actual audio portion of a song I receive from radio has little value.
And thus the Audio portion of a MP3 file has little or no innate value. What gives MP3s greater value are what you can do with them. If you have a collection of MP3's it just as important to have correct & complete ID3 tagging as it is to have the audio portion. This allows you to group, sort, find, and select specific files. Being able to discover new music based on past preference and the current state of the world of music also increases value (you could call this meaningful targeted advertising).
So in my MP3 music collection very little of what has value comes from artists, the record label representing them, or the industry associations that bank role their operations. The ID3 tags are from places like music brainz and LastFM, the manipulation is from applications like iTunes, Song Bird or Media Monkey, the advertising is from blogs, webpages, forums, and torrent trackers.
Where are the labels and industry associates in this?
Why should I pay these people a lot money when I so little of what gives the MP3 value comes from them?
Because this is the legal frame work we find ourselves in? This isn't a very satisfying answer.
Because the Artists deserve money for their art? The current system is designed to prevent the end consumer from paying the artists directly and I'm not giving money to the bankers and advertisers they do business with. Besides, they have plenty of opportunity to get my money when they tour in support of their album. And then I'm buying T-Shirts and Concert Tickets, and the occasional CD.
Sweet mother of god, please tell me it's not that simple!
I've restarted that damn series twice and even skimming to get to where I left off I have never got current.
What are you saying? Through You Tube I learned what an important contribution Brittany Spears was making to art & music.
That and I should just leave her alone and not make fun of the train wreck that is her life and career.
You get said parties ready for said keelhauling and I swear to the fucking gods I will provide an old ship with a barnacle encrusted hull to do the keelhauling with.
Bring Roger Parloff too.
Do we have to send them whole? Or can we send them as Puree?
In the US most ISP packages are unmetered and ISP's have vastly oversold their capacity.
Thus is doesn't matter if your neighbors use your WiFi. (unless they are doing something illegal with it)
In his defense, had he completely restated the whole of his previously published work he references his responses would be tediously long.
I saw it as more of a "here is a more in depth answer to this question, if you are interested"
He works for Verizon now:
http://consumerist.com/consumer/'002/verizon-customer-gets-full-refund-220726.php
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If velociraptor makes for a good stake they'll be extinct before they ever get started.