They have no case, and when that becomes known their stock value will drop like a rock.
What I want to see is all the flailing and screaming as the ship sinks. Hopefully it will take a lot of the rats down with it. It will also be interesting to see all the finger pointing afterwards.
Why dont they simply enact the Patriot Act on these people. Declare them terrorists.
Instead of looking to the source of the problem (why people trade these files) they do all they can to piss people off with lawsuits.
Sueing your customers does not work. When will these corporations learn that. Arent there other laws in place that they could use instead.
It seems going all out like this is just to make examples of these people. Seems like over prosecution to make a point to me. They should be charged with stealing and thats all. Going to this extreme is overkill and not fair, since the value of the product stolen is not worth $150,000 each.
From what I understand the screeners movie companies use are showing up on the internet because their employees are posting them. Isn't this an internal problem?
Negotiate a good payment strategy where they always win something and they will always fight for their cut.
They dont really need to care about the outcome as they will get some payoff. Although if they win then they get a percentage so they do have some incentive to win.
If this was all about a buyout, then they will fight harder now as they are being backed into a corner.
Yes, WE know that security through obscurity doesn't work, but the vast majority of people out there know nothing about this.
Our elected officials know nothing about this or very little, and therefore make bad decisions in policies.
I think that it is up to us to educate the vast majority about this problem or things will never change.
Unfortunatly it will take alot of effort to gain grounds especially when these manufacturers of these voting machines lobby the government officials and who really want to be reelected.
The problem with a distributed community of developers is that we are distributed. Almost no single entity could take on this corporation directly (not with their $50M warchest). So a group effort would be required to do so.
This is time consuming and costly and would have to be headed by a group. Their would have to be some kind of election process. It can be done, but would take time as there are lots of interested parties.
If this is done half-ass then they WILL get what they want. My worry is that they have a plan. They seem to be somewhat coherent in their attack strategy, and may have something up their sleeve.
One can hope that the distributed masses can rally and take out goliath.
Are they so blatently stupid to think that this can be developed safely? Come on.
I think the world should have something to say about this research. Where the hell is the UN? Maybe we should invade the US to stop the research of weapons of mass destruction?
What possisble use could this be for? If they can develop it for animals, then surely they are intending to develop it for humans. Great wipe us all out because of a leaked virus.
Legalization is not the only answer. Do you really want heroin to be legal?
The reason for the demand of drugs is that people want it and if people want something there will be other people who will provide it for a profit.
This is the basis for legalizing drugs, in the hopes that the government can then profit from it and also to destroy the illegal manufacturing and selling if there is no profit in it.
Another option is to educate people about the negative side effects of drugs. If there is no demand for drugs then the dealers and manufacturers will go away.
Education is the key. If people are educated they can make the right decision for themselves. Dont punish the end user, punish the manufacturers and pushers.
-there is a time and place for everything and that place is College.
They have a product that hasnt seen any real development in years is losing ground because it is outdated and disfunctional. They see something that is gaining ground and works better. They feel that if they cause enough ruckus they can get a few drops of $$$ out of it and the possibility of a buyout.
Unfortunatly now they see the writing on the wall. Sometimes waking the sleeping giant is a bad thing. I hope that they get their asses whipped.
What they are doing is pure BS. Think of it as the last desperate gasp of a dying individual. Since their company would have folded within a couple of years this will give them enough life to carry on for a few more.
That is all they are concerned about, $$$$
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Just think, you could go into a store and unbeknownst to you, you have an RFID tag in a piece of clothing or in somebody else's discount card. Their till picks up that you have this RFID tag, and stores that info. The person asks for your phone#, name and address for "warranty purposes" and bingo your tagged in their system.
seem far fetched?
The article was right, once we have taught children that this is acceptible behaviour then they will think this is the norm and that it is allright. Eventually when they are grown up they will implement worse things.
Soon there will be no freedom.
If you dont fight for your rights someone will come and take them away.
Based on the current lineup of television shows right now I would have to say that they are people who watch these shows.
I mean come on, who actually watches these shows? They're CRAP! Look at the shows that have been cancelled lately: Firefly, John Doe, Farscape, etc. These shows are worth watching. Even better yet if you want to experience reality go outside and experience it. Get off your couch you lazy bastards and do something about it. Take responsibility for your own life and actions.
And what do the networks keep on in their place? Reality TV, and reruns of Fraiser and Friends. I think I'm gonna be sick......blech!
Having the machines in the control of people who do it for the love of it is better than someone trying to profit from it. That only leeds to problems and internal agendas (ie: profit) taking over, and we all know where that would leed us.
Also, isnt the point of the internet is that it is decentralized? If one company runs THE system critical software/hardware then the whole network is suseptible to attack.
At this point in the development of the internet is it in the best interests of the world to have 1 country control it? These servers should be distributed throughout the world. Some governing body should preside over them to make sure they are running. If they need to be put in place at universities all over the world then so be it.
Why is it so hard to place a vote? Why the need for these machines?
I am at a loss. Just because we can vote electronically doesnt mean we should. What were the driving forces behind this?
-quicker tallying for the media -easier use -faster counting times -saves trees -corruption
The whole point should be ease of voting and counting the votes, there should be a backup system as well.
Why not just have the machine spit out a card with the persons selection on it. The value is kept internally and the cards are kept on file for 1 term then recycled. If there is the need for a recount then just reprocess the cards.
Not too hard is it? It seems that governments make a habit out of turning something simple into something complex and assbackwards.
What was the cost to implement this system? Are there seperate systems for national as well as state elections? Does the cost outweigh the benefits? Bet no one thought of that.
Voters are fickle. Voting machines you "own" are forever.
Especially when there is no audit trail. You can do whatever the hell you want and there is no proof of your treachery. Hell the code could even wipe itself from the machine.
Are these things connected to the net? They must be as they have to send in their results. What do they use FTP, or wait somebody might have thought of that wasnt secure enough and used some proprietary encryption scheme that is "unbreakable".
Probably a Ceasar shift. But wait if we break the scheme we go to jail as it violates the DMCA and also will most likely get Bush and his cronies after you (ie: homeland security)
Isnt that what the Gestapo was in WW2?
I dont think that these voting machines were a well thought out idea, but maybe, just maybe that was the idea...
This whole thing stinks. They are definitly trying to CTA (cover their asses).
No paper trail after the election? Who the hell designs these things. How do you do a recount or are the machines infallible? If 20-30% of them crash or have problems how good can the codebase be?
If the code wasnt certified then how can you be sure that the software wasnt rigged? The results bring that to mind.
Obviously no one consulted security professionals or thought that security would be a good thing. I would think that any such project would be opensource as anyone could verify the codebase.
Not being able to see the code or have it available for inspection is bad. Making it only inspectable by a select group or company is even worse (tampering/bribes/agendas).
Online voting still has a long way to go before I will trust it. I dont know how it could be used now with so many clear and present problems.
Quagga is a fork of the main Zebra code. This occured due to some problems with the company that produces the Zebra code (IPInfusion).
They also produce ZebOS which is a "more mature" version of the Zebra codebase. Zebra is opensource while the ZebOS code is not.
The main reason for the fork was that people felt that the opensource version was not being maintained and they were using peoples efforts to further the closed source project, while stifling the opensource version.
-Just my $0.02 worth and based on my observations of the mailing list banter of the past few months.
This doesn't stop the problem of SPAM. Sure you block it out, but the stuff is still clogging the networks of the world.
If we make it illegal here, they just move somewhere it isn't. Email has to change or the internet will eventually be so clogged with this crap that nothing will ever get done.
We need to take the fight to the spammers. Let them get a taste of their own medicine.
Maybe a new email protocol needs to be written, one that verifies the senders address or else it drops it.
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They are S T A L L I N G!
They have no case, and when that becomes known their stock value will drop like a rock.
What I want to see is all the flailing and screaming as the ship sinks. Hopefully it will take a lot of the rats down with it. It will also be interesting to see all the finger pointing afterwards.
Gee Whiz!
Why dont they simply enact the Patriot Act on these people. Declare them terrorists.
Instead of looking to the source of the problem (why people trade these files) they do all they can to piss people off with lawsuits.
Sueing your customers does not work. When will these corporations learn that. Arent there other laws in place that they could use instead.
It seems going all out like this is just to make examples of these people. Seems like over prosecution to make a point to me. They should be charged with stealing and thats all. Going to this extreme is overkill and not fair, since the value of the product stolen is not worth $150,000 each.
From what I understand the screeners movie companies use are showing up on the internet because their employees are posting them. Isn't this an internal problem?
Ha Ha!
I wouldnt follow this advice. Good luck decrypting the data if you do.
Negotiate a good payment strategy where they always win something and they will always fight for their cut.
They dont really need to care about the outcome as they will get some payoff. Although if they win then they get a percentage so they do have some incentive to win.
If this was all about a buyout, then they will fight harder now as they are being backed into a corner.
Well with the recent patent fiasco regarding plugins, they might get their wish in disabling flash.
M$ will just say that they are complying with the court order and disable flash, and put in their own stuff.
This would mean that they actually have to do some work on IE. Compared to the other browsers its falling further and further behind.
Yes, WE know that security through obscurity doesn't work, but the vast majority of people out there know nothing about this.
Our elected officials know nothing about this or very little, and therefore make bad decisions in policies.
I think that it is up to us to educate the vast majority about this problem or things will never change.
Unfortunatly it will take alot of effort to gain grounds especially when these manufacturers of these voting machines lobby the government officials and who really want to be reelected.
Makes you wonder...
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooo!
say it isnt so!
The shareholders must be happy. Eventually everything will be owned by Micro$oft.
Well who's going to do it?
The problem with a distributed community of developers is that we are distributed. Almost no single entity could take on this corporation directly (not with their $50M warchest). So a group effort would be required to do so.
This is time consuming and costly and would have to be headed by a group. Their would have to be some kind of election process. It can be done, but would take time as there are lots of interested parties.
If this is done half-ass then they WILL get what they want. My worry is that they have a plan. They seem to be somewhat coherent in their attack strategy, and may have something up their sleeve.
One can hope that the distributed masses can rally and take out goliath.
You have got to be F&#KING kidding me right?
Are they so blatently stupid to think that this can be developed safely? Come on.
I think the world should have something to say about this research. Where the hell is the UN? Maybe we should invade the US to stop the research of weapons of mass destruction?
What possisble use could this be for? If they can develop it for animals, then surely they are intending to develop it for humans. Great wipe us all out because of a leaked virus.
The Andromeda Strain is not too far away people!
No.
The reviewer should note that the specs for the version he/she is reviewing is different than the one people can buy.
Most people buy based on these reviews. What they are getting is not what was reviewed. This is deceptive, and should not be done.
ie: same model #, same product. If thats not the case than this is a deceptive practice.
Shame on these manufacturers.
Legalization is not the only answer. Do you really want heroin to be legal?
The reason for the demand of drugs is that people want it and if people want something there will be other people who will provide it for a profit.
This is the basis for legalizing drugs, in the hopes that the government can then profit from it and also to destroy the illegal manufacturing and selling if there is no profit in it.
Another option is to educate people about the negative side effects of drugs. If there is no demand for drugs then the dealers and manufacturers will go away.
Education is the key. If people are educated they can make the right decision for themselves. Dont punish the end user, punish the manufacturers and pushers.
-there is a time and place for everything and that place is College.
They are just bitter.
They have a product that hasnt seen any real development in years is losing ground because it is outdated and disfunctional. They see something that is gaining ground and works better. They feel that if they cause enough ruckus they can get a few drops of $$$ out of it and the possibility of a buyout.
Unfortunatly now they see the writing on the wall. Sometimes waking the sleeping giant is a bad thing. I hope that they get their asses whipped.
What they are doing is pure BS. Think of it as the last desperate gasp of a dying individual. Since their company would have folded within a couple of years this will give them enough life to carry on for a few more.
That is all they are concerned about, $$$$
Just think, you could go into a store and unbeknownst to you, you have an RFID tag in a piece of clothing or in somebody else's discount card. Their till picks up that you have this RFID tag, and stores that info. The person asks for your phone#, name and address for "warranty purposes" and bingo your tagged in their system.
seem far fetched?
The article was right, once we have taught children that this is acceptible behaviour then they will think this is the norm and that it is allright. Eventually when they are grown up they will implement worse things.
Soon there will be no freedom.
If you dont fight for your rights someone will come and take them away.
If we had this technology years ago we would really know what happened to elvis!
It never ceases to amaze me about the stupidity of others.
How can they think this? How will this be secure? How do they get into these jobs? Why havent they won a darwin award yet?
Why doesn't the US government actually hire someone who KNOWS something about security first.
-two sigs are better than 1
imagine if Dick Cheney is the smart one!
Based on the current lineup of television shows right now I would have to say that they are people who watch these shows.
...blech!
I mean come on, who actually watches these shows? They're CRAP! Look at the shows that have been cancelled lately: Firefly, John Doe, Farscape, etc. These shows are worth watching. Even better yet if you want to experience reality go outside and experience it. Get off your couch you lazy bastards and do something about it. Take responsibility for your own life and actions.
And what do the networks keep on in their place? Reality TV, and reruns of Fraiser and Friends. I think I'm gonna be sick...
Some things were not intended to be cheap. It may be worth spending the money or having some governing body decide some safety limits on these things.
If they become easy to get then couldnt somebody just cause a meltdown in one of these things.
The idea is interesting, but in practice I dont think it would work. Too many potential problems could arise from its use.
aren't fundamentalists the same thing?
Anything taken to extreme is bad, eating, religion, alcohol, drugs (perscription or other), feminism/chauvinism, etc.
Having the machines in the control of people who do it for the love of it is better than someone trying to profit from it. That only leeds to problems and internal agendas (ie: profit) taking over, and we all know where that would leed us.
Also, isnt the point of the internet is that it is decentralized? If one company runs THE system critical software/hardware then the whole network is suseptible to attack.
At this point in the development of the internet is it in the best interests of the world to have 1 country control it? These servers should be distributed throughout the world. Some governing body should preside over them to make sure they are running. If they need to be put in place at universities all over the world then so be it.
Decentralized is the key here.
Why is it so hard to place a vote? Why the need for these machines?
I am at a loss. Just because we can vote electronically doesnt mean we should. What were the driving forces behind this?
-quicker tallying for the media
-easier use
-faster counting times
-saves trees
-corruption
The whole point should be ease of voting and counting the votes, there should be a backup system as well.
Why not just have the machine spit out a card with the persons selection on it. The value is kept internally and the cards are kept on file for 1 term then recycled. If there is the need for a recount then just reprocess the cards.
Not too hard is it? It seems that governments make a habit out of turning something simple into something complex and assbackwards.
What was the cost to implement this system? Are there seperate systems for national as well as state elections? Does the cost outweigh the benefits? Bet no one thought of that.
Voters are fickle. Voting machines you "own" are forever.
Especially when there is no audit trail. You can do whatever the hell you want and there is no proof of your treachery. Hell the code could even wipe itself from the machine.
Are these things connected to the net? They must be as they have to send in their results. What do they use FTP, or wait somebody might have thought of that wasnt secure enough and used some proprietary encryption scheme that is "unbreakable".
Probably a Ceasar shift. But wait if we break the scheme we go to jail as it violates the DMCA and also will most likely get Bush and his cronies after you (ie: homeland security)
Isnt that what the Gestapo was in WW2?
I dont think that these voting machines were a well thought out idea, but maybe, just maybe that was the idea...
This whole thing stinks. They are definitly trying to CTA (cover their asses).
No paper trail after the election? Who the hell designs these things. How do you do a recount or are the machines infallible? If 20-30% of them crash or have problems how good can the codebase be?
If the code wasnt certified then how can you be sure that the software wasnt rigged? The results bring that to mind.
Obviously no one consulted security professionals or thought that security would be a good thing. I would think that any such project would be opensource as anyone could verify the codebase.
Not being able to see the code or have it available for inspection is bad. Making it only inspectable by a select group or company is even worse (tampering/bribes/agendas).
Online voting still has a long way to go before I will trust it. I dont know how it could be used now with so many clear and present problems.
Shame on you!
Quagga is a fork of the main Zebra code. This occured due to some problems with the company that produces the Zebra code (IPInfusion).
They also produce ZebOS which is a "more mature" version of the Zebra codebase. Zebra is opensource while the ZebOS code is not.
The main reason for the fork was that people felt that the opensource version was not being maintained and they were using peoples efforts to further the closed source project, while stifling the opensource version.
-Just my $0.02 worth and based on my observations of the mailing list banter of the past few months.
lots and lots of porn!
This doesn't stop the problem of SPAM. Sure you block it out, but the stuff is still clogging the networks of the world.
If we make it illegal here, they just move somewhere it isn't. Email has to change or the internet will eventually be so clogged with this crap that nothing will ever get done.
We need to take the fight to the spammers. Let them get a taste of their own medicine.
Maybe a new email protocol needs to be written, one that verifies the senders address or else it drops it.