Its like admiting your guilt. And who knows if they get a new CEO or new lawyers or profits are down or its a blue moon they might come after you. They will simply tear up their "amnesty" deal.
If everyone stopped buying their overpriced CDs, stopped fileswapping and started listening to digital radio what would happen to the RIAA?
Would they still moan and groan?
At this stage in the game I haven't bought a new CD in years and I listen to the stuff I currently have. I get digital cable and the music through that is excellent quality. Digital radio is catching on and will soon replace radio. Why do we need CDs?
"SCO will pursue commercial Linux users who have discussed their Linux work publicly, Stowell said. However, it won't take action until it's done more research on those businesses, he added."
Yeah, they want to see if they will put up a fight in court or can afford a lawsuit.
This is strong arm tactics plain and simple. The fact they are selling off stocks means that they are hedging their bets. They are playing it safe in case it doesnt go their way.
First this was about IP in the Linux Kernel, now that that topic is being proven to be false or inmaterial (we know that you are guilty, but we cant tell you where or disclose the items in question).
Now they are saying that the GPL is invalid and breaks copyright law? Come on pick a defense and stick to it. I think that by clouding the issue to such an extent they may have a chance at this, mainly due to the confusing nature of the myriad of topics being brought forth.
I am sure that the creators of the GPL thought about this when they created the GPL. How can this be declared invalid. As long as the software is distributed with a license then you MUST abide by those licenses as long as it doesn't break any other laws, but how does the GPL break copyright law? It doesnt state anything about limiting copies. It states that you can make as many copies as you want as long as you include the copyright notice and distribute the source.
Does copyright law supercede any other license? If so then that could create some problems, but come on thats pretty lame.
This whole thing is wacky. I hope that SCO in turn is sued by the Linux community for breach of contract and general all around stupidity.
I think SCO should be a runner for the evil empire of the year award. They might not be the ulimate evil (Micro$oft), but hey they try harder!
If SCO can keep this in the courts it will effect Linux quite a bit. It doesnt matter that they have not shown any evidence.
It doesnt even matter if they have any evidence, the threat of it is what will keep people afraid and not using Linux in a production environment.
It's all just smoke and mirrors until the information is revealed, and I am sure that they will drag this out as long as possible. It will probably increase their stock value the longer it continues.
I may be mistaken, but this statement is in direct violation of the GPL. If they are distributing it, they HAVE to provide the source as well and they have to pass on the same license as they have.
Their problem is they want the cake and be able to eat it too.
Regardless of their claims, until they provide proof its all just smoke and mirrors.
Unfortunately some people will be making alot of money in all this and when/if the case fails they will still be out on top becasue they have already sold their stock. The downside is that most everyone else will be burned.
That would make too much sense now wouldn't it. The RIAA doesn't seem to care about that kind of thing. As far as I am concerned they are an outdated dinosaur that has no concept of marketing or common sense.
Maybe they are trying to scare everyone into submission? Well I dont think it will work, people at that university will all hear about it and maybe take an attitude of not buying CDs, thus having made the situation worse.
If the RIAA and the retailers would sell the product for what its worth, then maybe people wouldnt steal it. In Canada here a CD is about 18.00+, +tax. If they reduced the prices to something affordable and produced something good, then maybe I would buy it.
The RIAA has a right to protect their interests, but they are going too far and only hurting their position.
The RIAA has proven that they dont care about the artists they claim to be protecting and they sure dont seem to care about their image.
So the question we should be asking is why are they doing this? And how does this help their case? Why isnt the media handling this? (ie: TV, Newspapers, etc.)
Everyone alive knows Micro$oft is evil and has bad business practices, and now SCO and the RIAA are joining their ranks. Are the corporations of America gaining too much control? Are lawyers being used for the wrong reasons? Are there too many lawyers? Since corporations cant make an honest living they are looking for dishonest ones.
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SCO: we know "Linux" is guilty of code theft, but since the Linux source code is available we will let them figure out where the offending code is even thought they "technically" dont have access to the code that they are in violation of copying?
How is Linux supposed to prove their innocence with this kind of statement?
This whole thing reeks of a scare tactic by a company that is losing profit.
5-10-15 lines of code in blocks are in violation? Well tell me that a 1000 programmers all programming code couldn't come up with some code that looked like proprietary code!
How do you know you are in violation of copyright when it comes to code writing when you dont have access to it. Should you be liable?
If I wrote some code that was GPL and it looked like copyrighted code would I be in violation even though I technically never saw the other code?
How do you protect yourself from that kind of lawsuit. This whole thing of protecting code like this is ludicrous!!!
Whose fault is it. They needed something to be done and this bill conveniently shows up promising to cure all their woes.
Most people dont read legal documents, why should our representatives? If that is the case then the country is going down the crapper. They should read these bills. Now that we have lost these freedomw will we ever get them back?
Will people come and take me away in the middle of the night and hold me indefinitly on some charges that I may have done? Is this how the system supposed to work.
Honestly I dont see the difference between our system and some other less popular ones.
-if you dont fight for your rights someone will come and take them away.
Well mathematically something can be proven to be unbreakable then along comes something to break it.
Anything and that means everything is suseptible to cracking. Even the ultimate scheme known as One Time Pad can be broken.
You may say that this cannot be so, but it can. You want to know how? Through the wonders of social engineering thats how. The weakest link in any security scheme is us.
I dont care how secure somebody says something is, its useless when humanity gets involved because people are lazy! They take shortcuts, write bad implemenations, choose lousy passwords, etc.
Only if humanity is not part of the equation will security improve.
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Why should they care about the artist? They are in business to make money by any means necessary. They have most artists by the gonads and make them sign contracts that are impossible to make money from.
This maybe OK for the big bands, but for the small guys it makes life impossible until they get a top 20 album. Once that occurs they have some clout and can negotiate better record deals.
I feel for the artists. The RIAA says "Its for the artists", but that has proven to not be the case. The RIAA needs to get a grip on reality and change their business model or they WILL become obsolete. What will happen is that the Artists will start using their own recording studios and sell their work over the internet directly, thus removing the need for the RIAA.
I will not feel sorry for the RIAA at all when this happens.
Thats why there are options like PDF. There are many utilities to create PDFs on linux, and Acrobat Reader and XPDF are available.
PDFs can be secured against tampering with a digital signature. Not to say that this is perfect protection, but it is good.
If you are posting MS Docs on your site you should really consider using PDFs. Why do you need to put a document that someone can alter on your website?
How about using a more powerful engine, like a chainsaw engine. I saw this show where they hooked up a V8 engine to a chainsaw. It cut through logs pretty damn fast! Imagine what it could do as a paper shredder!
Considering they believe that copying a DVD after it has been decoded by CSS is a violation of the DMCA what would you expect?
They are surely approaching the evilness of the RIAA in these matters of copyright.
The Crackers will always do this and they will always be around fighting for what they believe in (whatever that is). The problem are these organizations want to punish society as a whole.
Unfortunatly the MPAA and RIAA are very powerful organizations that can sue most companies into bankruptcy. It doesn't matter that you are right, it just matters that you have more money. What ever happened to a fair trial?
An interesting idea is what will happen when society as a whole decides that this practice is morally acceptable (ie: copying software/digital media)? Will the laws change? Doesn't society dictate how the world works and what laws are created?
The only reason the corporations get what they want is they give donations (ie: bribes) to the political officials/judges during their election campaigns. Who fights for the rights of society...
How is this any of their business? Why does it need to go throught their servers. This IS scary and anyone using this software should stop. Imagine if you will the day someone hacks this mail server.
It probably already has for that matter.
I tried AccountEdge for Mac and its pretty pitiful. Lots of bugs, and unwieldy at times. It has a steep learning curve too.
Since Intuit bought MYOB in Canada they have discontinued support for MYOB. Now we are stuck with a buggy application and no tax table updates!
Are the security guards that stupid that they think a person walking into a subway station with no packages and sets off the detector is a threat. If they were carrying a bomb it would be pretty obvious.
If they get enough false-positives, theyt will give up I think and when someone who is a threat and has a package comes through it will get missed.
Going to the 12 monkeys scenario would they also be dumb enough to open the container of bio-warfare agents?
Welcome to a free society. The next thing they will install is drug detectors!
-is this the price you are willing to pay for freedom? And if so is it really freedom?
I don't know how any show can get past first season these days. Also combined with the fact that they also like to move shows in their timeslots, makes watching TV very unenjoyable.
I never really know whether to watch a new show or not. Maybe I should wait a season and see if it continues, or watch it in reruns.
The people who hurt these shows are the executives at the various networks. It takes time for people to watch and get into a show.
I'm getting really tired of shows like:
-friends (boorrring!)
-reality shows (you have to be pretty stupid to watch those)
-sitcoms (getting really boring, and they are not even funny)
-CNN (talk about a biased opinion, are they sponsored by the US government or what?)
-etc, etc...
Give new shows a chance. Let them play. Quit basing your opinion on the lowest common denominator.
If the networks were not so interested in the $$$ involved and play thought provoking, interesting shows, people might actually watch TV. Maybe its why video games is the largest industry in the entertainment business.
Thats just a theory. One of many. What it comes down to is that the scientists have no idea what they were for. They can speculate, and thats all.
I've been to Peru and took many pictures of these lines. They are fabulous! I don't know if they were for aliens or just for water, whatever their purpose, they were very important to the people of the area.
If you think "why would someone build these lines?", you should really be asking yourself why would people build the:
-pyramids
-great wall of china
-world trade center
believe what you will. How can you justify the things that Microsoft has done, and will do in the future since nothing is being done to rectify this case?
They will keep stalling and doing what they are doing since they know that they can get away with it.
Why have laws if you are not going to use them. How do we know what laws to abide by if they are never used?
If you are a corporation it has been proven that you can keep the justice system tied up for years while you continue your practices and destroy your competiton.
Not a good thing.
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Its like admiting your guilt. And who knows if they get a new CEO or new lawyers or profits are down or its a blue moon they might come after you. They will simply tear up their "amnesty" deal.
Its happened before!
Doh!
If everyone stopped buying their overpriced CDs, stopped fileswapping and started listening to digital radio what would happen to the RIAA?
Would they still moan and groan?
At this stage in the game I haven't bought a new CD in years and I listen to the stuff I currently have. I get digital cable and the music through that is excellent quality. Digital radio is catching on and will soon replace radio. Why do we need CDs?
"SCO will pursue commercial Linux users who have discussed their Linux work publicly, Stowell said. However, it won't take action until it's done more research on those businesses, he added."
Yeah, they want to see if they will put up a fight in court or can afford a lawsuit.
This is strong arm tactics plain and simple. The fact they are selling off stocks means that they are hedging their bets. They are playing it safe in case it doesnt go their way.
This is what boy bands have been trying to find for years.
All you used to need was good looks and singing talent (although most didnt even have that) and now with modern technology they dont need either.
What ever happened to "talent".
the ticket counters at Air Canada all throughout Canada were shut down by a virus recently.
First this was about IP in the Linux Kernel, now that that topic is being proven to be false or inmaterial (we know that you are guilty, but we cant tell you where or disclose the items in question).
Now they are saying that the GPL is invalid and breaks copyright law? Come on pick a defense and stick to it. I think that by clouding the issue to such an extent they may have a chance at this, mainly due to the confusing nature of the myriad of topics being brought forth.
I am sure that the creators of the GPL thought about this when they created the GPL. How can this be declared invalid. As long as the software is distributed with a license then you MUST abide by those licenses as long as it doesn't break any other laws, but how does the GPL break copyright law? It doesnt state anything about limiting copies. It states that you can make as many copies as you want as long as you include the copyright notice and distribute the source.
Does copyright law supercede any other license? If so then that could create some problems, but come on thats pretty lame.
This whole thing is wacky. I hope that SCO in turn is sued by the Linux community for breach of contract and general all around stupidity.
I think SCO should be a runner for the evil empire of the year award. They might not be the ulimate evil (Micro$oft), but hey they try harder!
Actually they have alerted people to not use Microsoft IS in the past. They have even gone so far as to say that until it is rewritten avoid it.
If SCO can keep this in the courts it will effect Linux quite a bit. It doesnt matter that they have not shown any evidence.
It doesnt even matter if they have any evidence, the threat of it is what will keep people afraid and not using Linux in a production environment.
It's all just smoke and mirrors until the information is revealed, and I am sure that they will drag this out as long as possible. It will probably increase their stock value the longer it continues.
Not a good time ahead for Linux.
I may be mistaken, but this statement is in direct violation of the GPL. If they are distributing it, they HAVE to provide the source as well and they have to pass on the same license as they have.
Their problem is they want the cake and be able to eat it too.
Regardless of their claims, until they provide proof its all just smoke and mirrors.
Unfortunately some people will be making alot of money in all this and when/if the case fails they will still be out on top becasue they have already sold their stock. The downside is that most everyone else will be burned.
That would make too much sense now wouldn't it. The RIAA doesn't seem to care about that kind of thing. As far as I am concerned they are an outdated dinosaur that has no concept of marketing or common sense.
Maybe they are trying to scare everyone into submission? Well I dont think it will work, people at that university will all hear about it and maybe take an attitude of not buying CDs, thus having made the situation worse.
If the RIAA and the retailers would sell the product for what its worth, then maybe people wouldnt steal it. In Canada here a CD is about 18.00+, +tax. If they reduced the prices to something affordable and produced something good, then maybe I would buy it.
The RIAA has a right to protect their interests, but they are going too far and only hurting their position.
The RIAA has proven that they dont care about the artists they claim to be protecting and they sure dont seem to care about their image.
So the question we should be asking is why are they doing this? And how does this help their case? Why isnt the media handling this? (ie: TV, Newspapers, etc.)
Everyone alive knows Micro$oft is evil and has bad business practices, and now SCO and the RIAA are joining their ranks. Are the corporations of America gaining too much control? Are lawyers being used for the wrong reasons? Are there too many lawyers? Since corporations cant make an honest living they are looking for dishonest ones.
-The comments above are my own and reflect my position on this matter, if you dont like them, you dont have too, it's a free country (I think) and therefore you are entitled to make your own opinion. I cannot be held liable for anything said in this comment and neither can Slashdot as it is an opinion and based on facts presented by the media and others. Look for your $$$ elsewhere.
what is this?
SCO: we know "Linux" is guilty of code theft, but since the Linux source code is available we will let them figure out where the offending code is even thought they "technically" dont have access to the code that they are in violation of copying?
How is Linux supposed to prove their innocence with this kind of statement?
This whole thing reeks of a scare tactic by a company that is losing profit.
5-10-15 lines of code in blocks are in violation? Well tell me that a 1000 programmers all programming code couldn't come up with some code that looked like proprietary code!
How do you know you are in violation of copyright when it comes to code writing when you dont have access to it. Should you be liable?
If I wrote some code that was GPL and it looked like copyrighted code would I be in violation even though I technically never saw the other code?
How do you protect yourself from that kind of lawsuit. This whole thing of protecting code like this is ludicrous!!!
Whose fault is it. They needed something to be done and this bill conveniently shows up promising to cure all their woes.
Most people dont read legal documents, why should our representatives? If that is the case then the country is going down the crapper. They should read these bills. Now that we have lost these freedomw will we ever get them back?
Will people come and take me away in the middle of the night and hold me indefinitly on some charges that I may have done? Is this how the system supposed to work.
Honestly I dont see the difference between our system and some other less popular ones.
-if you dont fight for your rights someone will come and take them away.
Just think, in all those universes they can have monkeys programming. With an infinite number of monkeys they could accomplish anything!
Shakespeare, Stephen King, Windows, its all endless. Guess I'll have to find a job at McDoodles.
Sigh...
Well mathematically something can be proven to be unbreakable then along comes something to break it.
Anything and that means everything is suseptible to cracking. Even the ultimate scheme known as One Time Pad can be broken.
You may say that this cannot be so, but it can. You want to know how? Through the wonders of social engineering thats how. The weakest link in any security scheme is us.
I dont care how secure somebody says something is, its useless when humanity gets involved because people are lazy! They take shortcuts, write bad implemenations, choose lousy passwords, etc.
Only if humanity is not part of the equation will security improve.
Why should they care about the artist? They are in business to make money by any means necessary. They have most artists by the gonads and make them sign contracts that are impossible to make money from.
This maybe OK for the big bands, but for the small guys it makes life impossible until they get a top 20 album. Once that occurs they have some clout and can negotiate better record deals.
I feel for the artists. The RIAA says "Its for the artists", but that has proven to not be the case. The RIAA needs to get a grip on reality and change their business model or they WILL become obsolete. What will happen is that the Artists will start using their own recording studios and sell their work over the internet directly, thus removing the need for the RIAA.
I will not feel sorry for the RIAA at all when this happens.
Thats why there are options like PDF. There are many utilities to create PDFs on linux, and Acrobat Reader and XPDF are available.
PDFs can be secured against tampering with a digital signature. Not to say that this is perfect protection, but it is good.
If you are posting MS Docs on your site you should really consider using PDFs. Why do you need to put a document that someone can alter on your website?
Unfortunately his last book to movie adaption sucked royally. They would have to get a good cast and script to do it justice.
How about using a more powerful engine, like a chainsaw engine. I saw this show where they hooked up a V8 engine to a chainsaw. It cut through logs pretty damn fast! Imagine what it could do as a paper shredder!
Considering they believe that copying a DVD after it has been decoded by CSS is a violation of the DMCA what would you expect?
They are surely approaching the evilness of the RIAA in these matters of copyright.
The Crackers will always do this and they will always be around fighting for what they believe in (whatever that is). The problem are these organizations want to punish society as a whole.
Unfortunatly the MPAA and RIAA are very powerful organizations that can sue most companies into bankruptcy. It doesn't matter that you are right, it just matters that you have more money. What ever happened to a fair trial?
An interesting idea is what will happen when society as a whole decides that this practice is morally acceptable (ie: copying software/digital media)? Will the laws change? Doesn't society dictate how the world works and what laws are created?
The only reason the corporations get what they want is they give donations (ie: bribes) to the political officials/judges during their election campaigns. Who fights for the rights of society...
How is this any of their business? Why does it need to go throught their servers. This IS scary and anyone using this software should stop. Imagine if you will the day someone hacks this mail server.
It probably already has for that matter.
I tried AccountEdge for Mac and its pretty pitiful. Lots of bugs, and unwieldy at times. It has a steep learning curve too.
Since Intuit bought MYOB in Canada they have discontinued support for MYOB. Now we are stuck with a buggy application and no tax table updates!
Are the security guards that stupid that they think a person walking into a subway station with no packages and sets off the detector is a threat. If they were carrying a bomb it would be pretty obvious.
If they get enough false-positives, theyt will give up I think and when someone who is a threat and has a package comes through it will get missed.
Going to the 12 monkeys scenario would they also be dumb enough to open the container of bio-warfare agents?
Welcome to a free society. The next thing they will install is drug detectors!
-is this the price you are willing to pay for freedom? And if so is it really freedom?
I don't know how any show can get past first season these days. Also combined with the fact that they also like to move shows in their timeslots, makes watching TV very unenjoyable.
I never really know whether to watch a new show or not. Maybe I should wait a season and see if it continues, or watch it in reruns.
The people who hurt these shows are the executives at the various networks. It takes time for people to watch and get into a show.
I'm getting really tired of shows like:
-friends (boorrring!)
-reality shows (you have to be pretty stupid to watch those)
-sitcoms (getting really boring, and they are not even funny)
-CNN (talk about a biased opinion, are they sponsored by the US government or what?)
-etc, etc...
Give new shows a chance. Let them play. Quit basing your opinion on the lowest common denominator.
If the networks were not so interested in the $$$ involved and play thought provoking, interesting shows, people might actually watch TV. Maybe its why video games is the largest industry in the entertainment business.
Thats just a theory. One of many. What it comes down to is that the scientists have no idea what they were for. They can speculate, and thats all.
I've been to Peru and took many pictures of these lines. They are fabulous! I don't know if they were for aliens or just for water, whatever their purpose, they were very important to the people of the area.
If you think "why would someone build these lines?", you should really be asking yourself why would people build the:
-pyramids
-great wall of china
-world trade center
believe what you will. How can you justify the things that Microsoft has done, and will do in the future since nothing is being done to rectify this case?
They will keep stalling and doing what they are doing since they know that they can get away with it.
Why have laws if you are not going to use them. How do we know what laws to abide by if they are never used?
If you are a corporation it has been proven that you can keep the justice system tied up for years while you continue your practices and destroy your competiton.
Not a good thing.
"you are on my side and the dark side, like Lando Calrissian?" --Gimpy, Undergrads