I was just reading an article on that. I understand that quantum teleportation works through a "Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) correlation", rather than actual physical data moving anywhere, its a correlation between particle behaviors, right? Does that mean that its faster than light speed?
Yeah, but I'll bet the a huge amount of human knowledge was earned by doing things like the coffee pot cam...I think the way the term 'hacking' is used implies there is some other more official way of gaining knowledge...But I'll bet when whoever created the bow and arrow for instance, they were doing as you said: making something do something it wasn't designed (or expected) to do.
Ha! stereotypes. Some of us actually do bathe, amongst other unexpected things. From the article: Hacking predates computers. When he was working on the Manhattan Project, Richard Feynman used to amuse himself by breaking into safes containing secret documents.
I love the recognition here that hacking is a bigger thing than computers and geeks, its all about aquiring knowledge.
My question is why? Why on earth should we make a separate platform for running.NET and Java, OR python and perl when we have mono? Through the CLI in mono Python could call perl or perl could call python, or c#, or visual basic, or ANYTHING, including java. Why make a platform to run the two together when we have a platform to run all of them together, including VISUAL BASIC and other code written on windows???
I'm a python freak, so I think this is good news. But damn we have a lot of platforms growing out under us and I'm confused. 1) will existing python code using the current API run on parrot? There a load of C modules wrapped in python. Will it matter? 2) Will code that runs on Parrot run in the.NET/mono CLR? There is a new Python called Ironpython targeting that, I and I know it can't include the current library...Or doesn't right now. There is also Jython, which runs on the java platform with a different API. Python is a great language, but if none of the API my code is based on exists on these different platforms they're not very useful, because I have to write from scratch anyway...might as well be doing it in some other language.
That's interesting. Contemplating what you said, I see the price consumers are paying for Microsofts monopoly. Microsoft trusts their own browser, so it can integrate with their os, yet this is how malware gets in. If an open interface where supplied, so other ones could integrate, you'd bet it would be more locked down, asking you every time something suspicious was done. Better for the consumer
Good point. But my question is, why isn't Firefox full of holes even though it supports the same plugins? I downloaded it after my IE got hijiacked to always point to a gambling/porn page. I haven't had a problem since.
Its good to hear a post where anybody puts active resistance to tyranny as an option. I was beginning to think we lived in a country of cowards.
There are posts in response that claim the American people don't have the means to revolt, and they are wrong. Never forget that, we always do. The big army doesn't necessarily defeat the small one, nor does the advanced one defeat the primitive one, or even the unarmed one. IF you don't understand this I recommend you study warfare and historic military exploits starting with Sun Tzu's Art of War.
An essential read is also the writings of Gandhi. This man freed India from colonial rule by a technologically advanced military superpower without weapons. He refered to himself as "general" because he knew he was doing warfare, even though it was non-violent. This works because Gandhi understood that war simply requires non-compliance with the enemy, not necessarily killing him. This is the same principle that will defeat the American occupation in Iraq, without any stunning military victories on the part of the insurgents...The people refuse to be governed by the US, therefore they cannot be. The same principles of non-compliance can be applied to attempts at tyranny in the US.
Everybody knowing everybodies every move is way less dangerous than a small elite knowing everybody elses moves while the majority of the populous remains in the dark.
Wow, thanks for the info. I didn't know John Kerry took such a strong stance against war crimes in Viet Nam. If more people had listened to people like him, America might have been spared the worst military screw up of the last 100 years.
I think the the biggest prejudice Christianity has faced from the scientific community is the idea that the bible is a scientific book, like when Christ said "love thy neighbor as thyself" he was really trying to explain how to build a gas powered engine. Mainstream Christianity looks at the Bible as an almalgamations of writings on God by people inspired by God, God's nature being ultimately a mystery. It was the invention of the relatively new fundamentalist movement that God is NOT a mystery, but can be clearly understood by a person, or a book (namely the Bible) We used to call this "idoltry" when a person put a tangible thing like a book and worshipped it instead of the unknowable God, but now its called fundamentalism. Its frustrating that so many modern scientists equate fundamentalism with all christianity and ignore the fact that so many scientists, Newton for one, have been extremely dedicated Christians, yet did not subcribe to fundamentalist ideals.
No, Buddhists really do have defined beliefs, its just that there's so many slackers here in the US calling themselves buddhists, you wouldn't know it. Buddhist beliefs are very defined, as for mahayana buddism. The thing with buddhism as in all the faiths with reincarnation type doctrine is the idea of inevitability of conversion. You don't need to be converted now, because you won't get it. Wait a few lifetimes and you'll come here on your own.
The thing is that while windows XP is a good thing with lots of advertising letting everybody know, Linux tends to be a good thing you have to stumble upon. I think this sort of thing is great, just to let people know what else is out there.
I think the word is a little misused, but appropriate. From the article:
Quantum cryptography takes advantage of the physical properties of light particles, known as photons, to create and transmit binary messages. The angle of vibration of a photon as it travels through space -- its polarization -- can be used to represent a zero or a one under a system first devised by scientists Charles H. Bennett and Gilles Brassard in 1984. It has the advantage that any attempt to intercept the photons is liable to interfere with their polarization and can therefore be detected by those operating the system, the project coordinators said. An intercepted key would therefore be discarded and a new one created for use in its place.
The beauty of the system is that any attempts to read it will disprupt the message, instantly letting the communicators know to stop transmitting. cryptography is not the right word, But there is not word that really describes something that wierd. Fascinating stuff really: Its an ecryption system that changes itself when it knows the message has been intercepted.
If you ask me, the whole thing is retarded. Whenever you get these high level abstract frameworks, they imply limitation and slowness, both in running and writing. (Examine Zope as a perfect non-java example.) People forget that learning new frameworks takes lots of time, time that could have been spent just writing code. They also limit what you can do for everything they give half the time.
I used to use j2ee on tomcat, but I found that for many projects the faster to write faster to run solution was via fastcgi. http://www.fastcgi.com The principle in my sig seems to hold true the better I get.
I live across the street from Speakeasy headquarters down here on 3rd and Blanchard. I just talked to a representitive (Neil Honomichl) on his lunch hour and he says that they are totally unworried about it, that it will get overturned, or at least be in court for the next 20 years because it goes against the likes of AOL Time Warner.
The word Yoga, for those who don't know actually means "union", and refers to the state of oneness with God and all humanity sought by the practitioners. It has many different flavors, only one of which is "Hatha Yoga", or "health union", which seeks to bring health to the body, so higher thoughts can be focused on before going to INNER yoga, which includes schools or raja, kriya, bhakti, and karma yoga, many of which some scholars believe have been passed on for as many as 4,000 years orally, and are refered to in the hindu vedas.
These people have been refering to yoga as an inner thing for thousands of years. If that's not prior use please shoot me.
I think the key word here is utility. Kernel architechture, insofar as it is a refelection of utility, is very important. People care about what a server can or cannot do, period. It wouldn't be hard for me or anyone to throw together a nice GUI in python or java that modifies just about any conf file, or executes any sequence of commands...Its just that its very difficult to put a $100 million marketing campaign behind it...That's whats getting the converts, not the gui itself.
Seriously, I don't care that much about this kind of thing. I have milked so much free service from Yahoo over the years that when I get an email or too from them, or see ads in Yahoo groups, it doesn't bother me that much. Over like 10 ISPs, my Yahoo mail account alone has stood testament to all my time on the net. A little ads won't kill you, and if it does you can buy their premium mail service for like $20 a year...At least you have something you know will last.
What you gave you the idea that you HAVE the right to deal with your own shit on somebody else's time??? I actually thought this was one of the prime arguments to using Linux on the desktop: It gives the manager top level control over the applications that can be used while employees are on the clock, so that the employer can define the workflow on the computer, rather than having people you are paying by the hour checking their email surfing etc. That just doesn't make sense...
Of course their are exceptions...Not allowing developers access to the internet for research and such is suicide...But for many jobs this is perfectly valid.
No kidding! Where was cue cat, and why were cottenelle wet wipes on the first page??? As a nurse, that blows my mind. They are rapidly becoming a staple in the medical/nursing community, not to mention the fact that they are salvation for folks with hemorroids. Also, Kimberly clarks stock (KMD I think) is skyrocketting after making them. How is creating a better personal hygeine product and making millions of it dumber than giving away millions in products for free?
Yep. Those damn "rioters"...Always out protesting, like there's actually problems with the world. I say we need something stronger to use on them. I mean when women marched for suffrage, we did nothing, and look what happened...Now they work 48% of the jobs and control A WHOLE 10% OF THE WEALTH in this country!!!
Hell, when those blackamores went marching wanting rights in the 60's we even used firehouses and dogs trained to attack their testicles and they STILL got rights! I mean damn, we filled up the hospitals with blacks, vietnam peace protesters and womens rights advocates, and most lately WTO protestors...But the front of a Starbucks in Seattle still got smashed. How many of these first amendment yahoos do we have to maim before we really know that Starbucks storefronts are safe???
Nah, don't believe that folks like the RIAA can go around restricting digital media forever...If nothing else, people will eventually recognize how simply uncool it is.
Being a musician first and a geek second, this issue has been on my mind a lot. I believe that we should get paid for our work, but the fact is that running around fascistly protecting my IP is not what the essential spirit of Rock and Roll is about, in fact its contrary!!!
I think that as the 21st century gets rolling, we're going to see a more holistic and inclusive approach to making money in the music biz. The archetype of "the band as demigods" and all else as mortals will fade, in exchange for the valuation of a band as a mindset, and a holistic experience. At the consumer level, this will manifest as a diverification of options as to how you can buy into a given bands experience. Bound no more by the extremely limited idea that a band can only make money through CD's and t-shirts, in the coming years you will likely see a rich new set of entertainment experiences involving digital media, visual art, and even smells and foods offered as a part of a bands experience, rather than the bland current offering of a "show", which usually consists of sitting in plastic seats and drooling!
These offering will be diverse, and a given band will offer several levels of entertainment experience ranging from a normal show up to a complete experience, including food, dancers, and brushing elbows with the performers (for more money). While the nature of these experiences will vary greatly by the band, (belly dancers for Dead can Dance, corporate sponsors, free Pepsi and open dance floors for Britney spears) they will have their roots in a common concept that everybody already knows: an artist isn't somebody you pay money to hear sing, a good artist is someone you identify with, a good artist is a personification of a way of being, a way of thinking, s/he gives gives voice to your tribe, singing the unownable truth that defines a part of who you are, and who everybody who listens is...
As evidenced by the proliferation of P2P technologies, this idea of "music as community" is already embraced by younger generations, who so lightheartedly "steal" from their music idols..."Of course we can take it...its our tribe...its our music, about our truths." Is the general sentiment, and is in fact THE threat to standard labels, not the p2p technology itself, and will continue to be a threat untill record companies recognize the changing role of music in our society and embrace the ideas of the youth, the financial praxis of which will be the commodification of entertainers as facilitators of global idealogical communities, rather than proprietors of intellectual content.
"If you break into compUSA and carry something away, then they wouldn't have it anymore. If I copy your software, you will still have as much software as you had before. This is not just wordplay, it's a very real difference.
The reason that logic fails is the same reason that multi-level marketing (pyramid) schemes, like Amway, don't work: The salesperson promises you that if you pay him $300 to be able to sell this great product and he gets part of the profit, you will be able to make huge amounts of money by getting ten people to pay you $300 dollars, and sell the product with you getting part of the profit. Its failsafe, right?
The answer is of course that it isn't, and the reason is that there is a finite amount of people that will a) want the product b) be interested in joining the pyramid.
This simple logic kills your argument as well: If there were an infinite amount of people interested in buying a given piece of software, yes piracy would be okay. However in reality, there is only a finite amount of people, say 1,000, who would WANT a given piece of software, and would buy it. if the software costs, say $10, and 20% of that group follows your logic that "nobody loses anything by piracy", than the total loss to the programmer is $2000, ABOUT THE SAME AS THE LOSS TO COMPUSA WOULD BE IF YOU WALKED IN AND STOLE THE MONITOR If you are part of the potential market and just pirated it, that $10 loss is no economically no different to the programmer than to CompUSA if you stole a $10 keyboard. the only difference is in your ability to justify your actions.
Gee, how could they miss such a simple business principle as the fact that if you are pouring money into something, you should always continue to pour money into it, and eventually you will turn a profit! What a bunch of fools...Even I know that! Thats the reason everybody who plays the lottery gets rich, right?
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I was just reading an article on that. I understand that quantum teleportation works through a "Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen (EPR) correlation", rather than actual physical data moving anywhere, its a correlation between particle behaviors, right? Does that mean that its faster than light speed?
Yeah, but I'll bet the a huge amount of human knowledge was earned by doing things like the coffee pot cam...I think the way the term 'hacking' is used implies there is some other more official way of gaining knowledge...But I'll bet when whoever created the bow and arrow for instance, they were doing as you said: making something do something it wasn't designed (or expected) to do.
Ha! stereotypes. Some of us actually do bathe, amongst other unexpected things. From the article:
Hacking predates computers. When he was working on the Manhattan Project, Richard Feynman used to amuse himself by breaking into safes containing secret documents.
I love the recognition here that hacking is a bigger thing than computers and geeks, its all about aquiring knowledge.
My question is why? Why on earth should we make a separate platform for running .NET and Java, OR python and perl when we have mono? Through the CLI in mono Python could call perl or perl could call python, or c#, or visual basic, or ANYTHING, including java. Why make a platform to run the two together when we have a platform to run all of them together, including VISUAL BASIC and other code written on windows???
I'm a python freak, so I think this is good news. But damn we have a lot of platforms growing out under us and I'm confused. .NET/mono CLR?
1) will existing python code using the current API run on parrot? There a load of C modules wrapped in python. Will it matter?
2) Will code that runs on Parrot run in the
There is a new Python called Ironpython targeting that, I and I know it can't include the current library...Or doesn't right now. There is also Jython, which runs on the java platform with a different API. Python is a great language, but if none of the API my code is based on exists on these different platforms they're not very useful, because I have to write from scratch anyway...might as well be doing it in some other language.
That's interesting. Contemplating what you said, I see the price consumers are paying for Microsofts monopoly. Microsoft trusts their own browser, so it can integrate with their os, yet this is how malware gets in. If an open interface where supplied, so other ones could integrate, you'd bet it would be more locked down, asking you every time something suspicious was done. Better for the consumer
Good point. But my question is, why isn't Firefox full of holes even though it supports the same plugins?
I downloaded it after my IE got hijiacked to always point to a gambling/porn page. I haven't had a problem since.
Hell yeah!
Its good to hear a post where anybody puts active resistance to tyranny as an option. I was beginning to think we lived in a country of cowards.
There are posts in response that claim the American people don't have the means to revolt, and they are wrong. Never forget that, we always do. The big army doesn't necessarily defeat the small one, nor does the advanced one defeat the primitive one, or even the unarmed one. IF you don't understand this I recommend you study warfare and historic military exploits starting with Sun Tzu's Art of War.
An essential read is also the writings of Gandhi. This man freed India from colonial rule by a technologically advanced military superpower without weapons. He refered to himself as "general" because he knew he was doing warfare, even though it was non-violent. This works because Gandhi understood that war simply requires non-compliance with the enemy, not necessarily killing him. This is the same principle that will defeat the American occupation in Iraq, without any stunning military victories on the part of the insurgents...The people refuse to be governed by the US, therefore they cannot be. The same principles of non-compliance can be applied to attempts at tyranny in the US.
Everybody knowing everybodies every move is way less dangerous than a small elite knowing everybody elses moves while the majority of the populous remains in the dark.
Wow, thanks for the info. I didn't know John Kerry took such a strong stance against war crimes in Viet Nam. If more people had listened to people like him, America might have been spared the worst military screw up of the last 100 years.
I think the the biggest prejudice Christianity has faced from the scientific community is the idea that the bible is a scientific book, like when Christ said "love thy neighbor as thyself" he was really trying to explain how to build a gas powered engine.
Mainstream Christianity looks at the Bible as an almalgamations of writings on God by people inspired by God, God's nature being ultimately a mystery.
It was the invention of the relatively new fundamentalist movement that God is NOT a mystery, but can be clearly understood by a person, or a book (namely the Bible) We used to call this "idoltry" when a person put a tangible thing like a book and worshipped it instead of the unknowable God, but now its called fundamentalism.
Its frustrating that so many modern scientists equate fundamentalism with all christianity and ignore the fact that so many scientists, Newton for one, have been extremely dedicated Christians, yet did not subcribe to fundamentalist ideals.
Buddhists have no defined beliefs
No, Buddhists really do have defined beliefs, its just that there's so many slackers here in the US calling themselves buddhists, you wouldn't know it. Buddhist beliefs are very defined, as for
mahayana buddism.
The thing with buddhism as in all the faiths with reincarnation type doctrine is the idea of inevitability of conversion. You don't need to be converted now, because you won't get it. Wait a few lifetimes and you'll come here on your own.
The thing is that while windows XP is a good thing with lots of advertising letting everybody know, Linux tends to be a good thing you have to stumble upon. I think this sort of thing is great, just to let people know what else is out there.
The beauty of the system is that any attempts to read it will disprupt the message, instantly letting the communicators know to stop transmitting. cryptography is not the right word, But there is not word that really describes something that wierd. Fascinating stuff really: Its an ecryption system that changes itself when it knows the message has been intercepted.
I was just reading about that dillemma here:
v _java.html
http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/02-nov/o62ode
If you ask me, the whole thing is retarded. Whenever you get these high level abstract frameworks, they imply limitation and slowness, both in running and writing. (Examine Zope as a perfect non-java example.) People forget that learning new frameworks takes lots of time, time that could have been spent just writing code. They also limit what you can do for everything they give half the time.
I used to use j2ee on tomcat, but I found that for many projects the faster to write faster to run solution was via fastcgi.
http://www.fastcgi.com
The principle in my sig seems to hold true the better I get.
I live across the street from Speakeasy headquarters down here on 3rd and Blanchard. I just talked to a representitive (Neil Honomichl) on his lunch hour and he says that they are totally unworried about it, that it will get overturned, or at least be in court for the next 20 years because it goes against the likes of AOL Time Warner.
The word Yoga, for those who don't know actually means "union", and refers to the state of oneness with God and all humanity sought by the practitioners. It has many different flavors, only one of which is "Hatha Yoga", or "health union", which seeks to bring health to the body, so higher thoughts can be focused on before going to INNER yoga, which includes schools or raja, kriya, bhakti, and karma yoga, many of which some scholars believe have been passed on for as many as 4,000 years orally, and are refered to in the hindu vedas.
These people have been refering to yoga as an inner thing for thousands of years. If that's not prior use please shoot me.
(Hey Chris, long time no talk drop me a line.)
I think the key word here is utility. Kernel architechture, insofar as it is a refelection of utility, is very important. People care about what a server can or cannot do, period. It wouldn't be hard for me or anyone to throw together a nice GUI in python or java that modifies just about any conf file, or executes any sequence of commands...Its just that its very difficult to put a $100 million marketing campaign behind it...That's whats getting the converts, not the gui itself.
Seriously, I don't care that much about this kind of thing. I have milked so much free service from Yahoo over the years that when I get an email or too from them, or see ads in Yahoo groups, it doesn't bother me that much. Over like 10 ISPs, my Yahoo mail account alone has stood testament to all my time on the net. A little ads won't kill you, and if it does you can buy their premium mail service for like $20 a year...At least you have something you know will last.
What you gave you the idea that you HAVE the right to deal with your own shit on somebody else's time??? I actually thought this was one of the prime arguments to using Linux on the desktop: It gives the manager top level control over the applications that can be used while employees are on the clock, so that the employer can define the workflow on the computer, rather than having people you are paying by the hour checking their email surfing etc. That just doesn't make sense...
Of course their are exceptions...Not allowing developers access to the internet for research and such is suicide...But for many jobs this is perfectly valid.
No kidding! Where was cue cat, and why were cottenelle wet wipes on the first page??? As a nurse, that blows my mind. They are rapidly becoming a staple in the medical/nursing community, not to mention the fact that they are salvation for folks with hemorroids. Also, Kimberly clarks stock (KMD I think) is skyrocketting after making them. How is creating a better personal hygeine product and making millions of it dumber than giving away millions in products for free?
Yep. Those damn "rioters"...Always out protesting, like there's actually problems with the world. I say we need something stronger to use on them. I mean when women marched for suffrage, we did nothing, and look what happened...Now they work 48% of the jobs and control A WHOLE 10% OF THE WEALTH in this country!!!
Hell, when those blackamores went marching wanting rights in the 60's we even used firehouses and dogs trained to attack their testicles and they STILL got rights! I mean damn, we filled up the hospitals with blacks, vietnam peace protesters and womens rights advocates, and most lately WTO protestors...But the front of a Starbucks in Seattle still got smashed. How many of these first amendment yahoos do we have to maim before we really know that Starbucks storefronts are safe???
Nah, don't believe that folks like the RIAA can go around restricting digital media forever...If nothing else, people will eventually recognize how simply uncool it is.
Being a musician first and a geek second, this issue has been on my mind a lot. I believe that we should get paid for our work, but the fact is that running around fascistly protecting my IP is not what the essential spirit of Rock and Roll is about, in fact its contrary!!!
I think that as the 21st century gets rolling, we're going to see a more holistic and inclusive approach to making money in the music biz. The archetype of "the band as demigods" and all else as mortals will fade, in exchange for the valuation of a band as a mindset, and a holistic experience. At the consumer level, this will manifest as a diverification of options as to how you can buy into a given bands experience. Bound no more by the extremely limited idea that a band can only make money through CD's and t-shirts, in the coming years you will likely see a rich new set of entertainment experiences involving digital media, visual art, and even smells and foods offered as a part of a bands experience, rather than the bland current offering of a "show", which usually consists of sitting in plastic seats and drooling!
These offering will be diverse, and a given band will offer several levels of entertainment experience ranging from a normal show up to a complete experience, including food, dancers, and brushing elbows with the performers (for more money). While the nature of these experiences will vary greatly by the band, (belly dancers for Dead can Dance, corporate sponsors, free Pepsi and open dance floors for Britney spears) they will have their roots in a common concept that everybody already knows: an artist isn't somebody you pay money to hear sing, a good artist is someone you identify with, a good artist is a personification of a way of being, a way of thinking, s/he gives gives voice to your tribe, singing the unownable truth that defines a part of who you are, and who everybody who listens is...
As evidenced by the proliferation of P2P technologies, this idea of "music as community" is already embraced by younger generations, who so lightheartedly "steal" from their music idols..."Of course we can take it...its our tribe...its our music, about our truths." Is the general sentiment, and is in fact THE threat to standard labels, not the p2p technology itself, and will continue to be a threat untill record companies recognize the changing role of music in our society and embrace the ideas of the youth, the financial praxis of which will be the commodification of entertainers as facilitators of global idealogical communities, rather than proprietors of intellectual content.
"If you break into compUSA and carry something away, then they wouldn't have it anymore. If I copy your software, you will still have as much software as you had before. This is not just wordplay, it's a very real difference.
The reason that logic fails is the same reason that multi-level marketing (pyramid) schemes, like Amway, don't work: The salesperson promises you that if you pay him $300 to be able to sell this great product and he gets part of the profit, you will be able to make huge amounts of money by getting ten people to pay you $300 dollars, and sell the product with you getting part of the profit. Its failsafe, right?
The answer is of course that it isn't, and the reason is that there is a finite amount of people that will a) want the product b) be interested in joining the pyramid.
This simple logic kills your argument as well: If there were an infinite amount of people interested in buying a given piece of software, yes piracy would be okay. However in reality, there is only a finite amount of people, say 1,000, who would WANT a given piece of software, and would buy it. if the software costs, say $10, and 20% of that group follows your logic that "nobody loses anything by piracy", than the total loss to the programmer is $2000, ABOUT THE SAME AS THE LOSS TO COMPUSA WOULD BE IF YOU WALKED IN AND STOLE THE MONITOR If you are part of the potential market and just pirated it, that $10 loss is no economically no different to the programmer than to CompUSA if you stole a $10 keyboard. the only difference is in your ability to justify your actions.
Gee, how could they miss such a simple business principle as the fact that if you are pouring money into something, you should always continue to pour money into it, and eventually you will turn a profit! What a bunch of fools...Even I know that! Thats the reason everybody who plays the lottery gets rich, right?