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Intel Puts The Squeeze On ... A Yoga Foundation?
geogeek6_7 writes: "Intel Inc., everyone's favorite chipmaker, has apparently decided that they own the rights to the word 'Inside.' In proceedings bordering on the line of frivolity, the Yoga Inside Foundation has been tagged with trademark infringment in papers submitted to the PTO by Intel. The article states that Intel will most likely use the Trademark Dilution Act of 1995 in court." Don't worry, Intel doesn't want every instance of the word "Inside" -- only the ones that come right after another word. (Look at the meaning of "Inside" that the YIF is referring to, and the story gets even more absurd.)
I thought trademarks (at least in the U.K.) were only applicable to a particular market - ie you could call your company Windows if it cleaned windows - but if it made computer operating systems it would be a trademark infringement with Microsoft.
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Jack better comes out before Intel goes after him...
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imo, it's extremely easy to not confuse "Yoga Inside" with "Intel Inside (tm)". Anyone who finds some type of link between those two please speak up.
Because yoga and CPU's are just so similar, people could easily get them confused.
Sigh.
I think there should be a new reality TV Show, "Small Court of Sanity". Unlike current People's Court/Judge Judy TV shows, where individuals do small claims, this would be the first case where any lawsuit by a multimillion dollar company vs a much smaller entity would be aired.
Yep, the big companies would _have_ to use this court before the case was allowed to go (via appeal) to the usual federal courts. No lawyers, just like small court-- just the 2 sides presenting their case to a telegenic judge. Shown publically, to expose how ludicrious this is.
Court costs would, of course, be covered by advertising. The rest would go to the US gov't (thus probably wiping out the national debt in just 3 seasons...)
And hey, once the corps realized that the negative PR cost of being displayed as total loons on daytime TV cost more than nuking some pitiful NPO or individual, maybe fewer would be filed.
At least moving these things away from the horrible, horrible process that is our modern judiciary would give some recourse to individuals and small entities. You know it's bad when I'm recommending jerry springer-like exposure over the court system.
A.
"Intel spokesman Chuck Mulloy said the company knows it could come off looking to some like a bully."
This is the understatement of the year.
The yoga people are offering the Intel Exec's free lessons so that they can learn to be a little more "flexible." If I were in Intel PR, I'd jump on that opportunity right away, and issue a press release the next morning.
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Next, Microsoft will be suing Skin-so-soft skin lotion and bug repellent.
Here is the site in question, or follow this link if you want to skip the flash intro.
WARNING: Lawyers Inside.
There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips
Step 1) Start making an an inferior product.
Step 2) Go "tradmark enforcment crazy"
Step 3) Profit???
He said the "instant recognition and appeal" of the "blank inside" format stems from "Intel's enormous investment of over a decade of time and money."
Somebody PLEASE find a prior use example of "(fill in the blank) inside", and kill this one dead! It needs to be stomped on!
Shakespeare had the right idea, though I would also add corporations to the list of things that need killing.
You're using her as bait, Master!
Is it just me or do trademarks have nothing to do with specific trades anymore. I could understand Intel being pissed about another chip maker using "foo inside" to promote their products. Hey it's just like patents, too broad and seriously abused.
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So does this mean Dodge owns the rights to the word "Different"?
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I think the international copyright laws should be updated to allow regular expressions, and attribute grammars.
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I guess the lawyers for Intel have a trademark on "Evil Inside".
I guess their lawyers figure people will confused between yoga and a company with their head up their ass.
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
Swaine- http://www.swaine.com/tuesday.html Diversions- http://diversions.kaptiv-8.com/
Send email to complain.
"trademark law requires a vigorous defense of one's brand at all times"
:).
This has more to do with the silliness of precedent in trademark law than anything else. Unfortunatly no matter what kind of trademark you had you would be expected to go the distance defending it or risk losing it. Of course you know this because ou read the article
Maybe someone should apply this logic to the registration of domain names. Then possibly I could get ahold of a few that have been squated on for several years with no actual site.
Amazon.com launches its "Amazon Inside" ad campaign.
...we can post stories like this so only the U.S. citizens can see them? This is humiliating.
All right listen up CEOs. Bottom line nipping you in the bottom? I have the perfect solution. Fire your entire legal department. You will be doing the world a favor and saving a pretty penny.
What is Intel thinking? If they want to waste money on something useless they should buy all slashdot reads Aeron chairs.
At least that would be good PR.
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First editor post!!
But seriosly. I have been seeing more and more of this. Little guys being hounded by big corporations over abstruse copyright infringement for seemingly no reason.
Windows vs. Lindows
Mcdonalds vs. McDonald's bakery in Scotland.
Paramount vs. Harry Potter fansites
etc, etc, etc
I'm an editor. I have unseen powers.
To ensure that it will win this sort of trademark war, Intel purchased all of the existing ``* Inside'' trademarks. They have been serious about this issue for years.
"Litigious Assholes Inside"
~Philly
It's a deranged world we live in. Chew on this Intel:
Me Inside
You Inside
Knowledge Inside
Mac OS Inside
Linux Inside
DOS Inside
Motorola Inside
Who can believe the load of bull corporations are dealing out nowadays. The freaking lawyers are in charge.
Jeez...
GJC
Gregory Casamento
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If you don't like it, VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
How difficult is it for you damn Americans to elect politicians that do what you want them to ?
Oh I forgot. You already do.
Defend your trademark or lose it.
According to the US Patent and Trademark Office, Intel has a trademark on "bunny people." Looks to me like clean room IC fabrication is up shit creek across the United States!
Ummm, I'm embarassed to say this, but I'm an Intel shareholder and I think they're totally off-base on this one...
There is ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, UNEQUIVOCABLY NO FUCKING WAY that I think of Intel when looking at the Yoga people's site...
I don't think of a computer, etc... Rather I think of peace, harmony, and balance being promoted in areas which are typically devoid of such things... Oh wait, I guess I am thinking of computers...NOT!
Someone PLEASE whack the lawyers with large sticks, then make them pee in little cups. If there was ever a case of probable cause for drug use, this is it - right here, right now (sorry... no infringing use of the song by the same name was intended...)...
Friggin morons - stock price is in the toilet, so stop wasting money on bullshit like this, and RESEARCH SOMETHING that will improve the stock... arrrrgh! Didn't they see the case on Windows v. Lindows? If *THAT* wasn't diluting (and it was in the same industry), how in the hell does Yoga infringe?
...bending your legs up and over your head is now a violation of the DMCA.
Select this as the new name for you "Greenhouse DYI kit" and you will get "two for One" Lawsuits.
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I called intel tech support and they said the reason my new CPU won't boot is because its actually a 2 week yoga program. I felt a little embarrassed, but the techie said it's a common complaint and Intel is working on it.
This is really getting to the point of rediculousness. All these companies coming up with completely frivoulous lawsuits needs to stop. as soon as a judge gets ahold of this case he should throw it right out the window.
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Once upon a time, people worried about trademarks. They worried about trademarks because 'aspirin' had become a generic, and they worried that this might happen to them. They wanted to protect what was theirs. Companies competed with each other, and it was good.
Capitalism is good, in its pure and properly practiced form--unfortunately, so is any other form of economy. The bigger companies contributed to political campaigns, and so they began to get judges to rule in their favor even when, perhaps, it wasn't something they really had a right to. They paid for privacy when someone should have looked over their shoulders.
And then it gradually came to the point where large businesses *expected* this privilege. I can't blame Intel because they're behaving in a way which corporate America not only accepts but encourages. They're no longer motivated by a search for prosperity but by mere greed--they are the gluttons who want more food even when they can't eat anymore.
These lawsuits are the symptoms, not the disease. People need to become aware of the business practices of the companies they patronize, and modify their spending habits appropriately. They need to let their representatives know that the interests of business aren't *their* interests.
Once the people take the power *back* from the corporations, maybe the world will regain some of its sanity again. Remember, in America, even if you can't vote, you are an all-important Consumer--pay attention to the choices you make.
I have to agree with Intel on this one. How would you feel if you spent billions on an ad campaign, and then another company decided to change one word (which, in this case, constitutes half your slogan) and register it as its own? Obviously, Intel and the yoga foundation are not competitors in any sense, but it simply "isn't fair" to piggy-back on the expensive brainwashing Intel's already done. I'm sure Apple would be annoyed with anyone who made " different" their slogan. Of course, Microsoft will never have this problem because its slogans are always some variation of "it just works," which it could never prove in court it has a right to use anyway.
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It kind of makes want to rush out and register "Just To Make Our Lawyers Fuzzy Inside". Just picture the court room.
:)
"Yes, your honor, we are suing Just To Make Our Lawyers Fuzzy Inside"
Finally, some honesty in the legal system.
They will be shortly re-issuing the CD with these sanitized lyrics that are more compatible with current American sensitivities:
I want to FUCK you like an animal
I want to feel you from the in***e
When asked for comment, band leader Trent Reznor said: "Yeah, I'm upset about this. But I feel better knowing that I've personally scored more chicks than all of the dorks working at Intel combined."
Seems a pretty reasonable explanation- maybe we should be blaming Washington..
AMD. Intel may kindly place their lips *inside* my bottom. That is Intel Inside...
Intel stopped Silicon Graphics making T-shirts with a logo which said "Attitude Inside". It did have a little swirl like the Intel logo though so it was sailing closer to the wind than the yoga thing.
...I have to worry about keeping my email address?
Intel: Fuckwickets Inside
How can you use my intestines as a gift? -Actual Hong Kong subtitle.
Here in Finland you can even patent or trademark colours (Fazer blue) and ringtones (Nokia melody).
If Intel actually wins this, which I doubt, then I better watch what I say.
If I say, "Oh, hey! How are you doing Joe? Please go inside..."
Then I can safely assume that Intel's lawyers will be knocking at my door telling me to watch what I say and threaten me with law suits.
I would have to say something like, "Oh, hey! How are you doing Joe? Inside is my house, please go..."
That sounds realy stupid. And that goes the same for this case, it is stupid too.
The word Yoga, for those who don't know actually means "union", and refers to the state of oneness with God and all humanity sought by the practitioners. It has many different flavors, only one of which is "Hatha Yoga", or "health union", which seeks to bring health to the body, so higher thoughts can be focused on before going to INNER yoga, which includes schools or raja, kriya, bhakti, and karma yoga, many of which some scholars believe have been passed on for as many as 4,000 years orally, and are refered to in the hindu vedas.
These people have been refering to yoga as an inner thing for thousands of years. If that's not prior use please shoot me.
-The art of programming is the pursuit of absolute simplicity.
Excerpt from new OSHA regulation on computer systems: "....if said motherboard is equipped with an Intel central processing unit, an appropriate warning label bearing the words 'Intel Inside' shall be permanently affixed to the case in a prominent location."
- Bruce Murphy
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Didn't the people who owned the "got Milk?" trademark try similar litigation and got shot down by the courts?
I have tried finding references pro or con on this, but all the anti-milk PETA sites are making searching difficult.
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
Dear trademark infringer,
Please stop using our trademark Inside - or we'll put you inside.
Yours,
Intel
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all that bad karma could hammer them down.
The difference between Hindu karma and Slashdot "karma" (capped cumulative moderation result) is that with Hindu karma, you can't just reset your karma to neutral by killing yourself (i.e. creating another account). Your karma (action) has to follow dharma (the good way) if you want the god to give you the Bonus in the next life. See also Hindu Karma FAQ.
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noun 1 a : an interior or internal part or place : the part within b : inward nature, thoughts, or feeling 2 : an inner side or surface 3 a : a position of power, trust, or familiarity b : confidential information
What? So no more "Lotto Tickets Inside" signs outside of gas stations? Damn, how will I ever be able to gamble again?
To always make sure you are using HTML unlike your uncle Goatse here.
In other news, God has declared he own's the rights to the word "Outside".
"I created it!" says God, "heck, I created the English language!"
Prove it. I've got plenty of expert witnesses who'll testify to Anglo-Saxo-Norma-Britons having done that.;)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
If you ask me, this sounds like a lawyer looking for a way to finance a new BMW and a Caribbean vacation.
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Everyone (including Intel's braindead legal drones) seem to have a mistaken underlying assumption that the requirement to defend trademarks is a requirement to beat the crap out of anyone that uses anything similar regardless of the domain, or how small they are. Intel should have merely sent these guys a piece of paper giving them a non-revokable free license to use the "yoga inside" name as long as it was not used in a technology related enterprise or with similar presentation (e.g. no labeling the inmates with little "@ yoga inside"squares on their foreheads or commercials yellow robed guys in helmets jumping around in commercials, with a "yoga inside! om, om, om, om!" catch tune). This would have given them ammunition for any future battle with true violators, and would have done it at no cost the little people they apparently don't mind stomping on. My guess these types of antics keep a couple of extra people on the legal team employed... I'd be interested who in their public relations team is consulted. Someone either approved it or didn't bother to ask. Would nice to see that person on the street. Buy AMD in the meantime.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. [H.S.T.]
My t-shirt says "Satan Inside" and comes complete with the swirly thingy! Good thing there's all those lawyers down there, or the Dark Prince might be out of a job!
Chris 'coldacid' Charabaruk Meldstar Entertainment
This is a bunch of bullshit. Intel, please don't blame others for your assinite attempts to own the English language. Its not the laws fault that you're assholes. Not only that, but who FORCED you to trademark a COMMON word like Inside? There are many common usages of the word inside which have another describing word preceeding it.
"We can't let a precedent be set," he explained. " 'Yoga Inside' might not sound bad, but what happens when someone comes along with 'Apple Inside'?"
If its in reference to an Apple being in an apple orchard, that's fucking fine.
Even if its Apple computer, who said you have the right to trademark common words? If Apple came up with an add that said something like:
"Apple Inside"
there's nothing wrong with that either. After all, that's what it is: Its an Apple. Since its also an Apple on the outside, they might say something like:
Apple Outside. Apple Inside.
This is just plain ludicrous. Other people shouldn't be prevented from using the ENGLISH LANGUAGE to their benefit because you assholes can't be original and trademark things that aren't already words.
By the way, you fucking assholes, there's something called the First Amendment. It has constitutional basis, so it trumps any "trademark" laws.
This is no different than IBM trying to trademark the "e" symbol with a circle around it. Come on. That's fucking bullshit.
Suggesting to Intel, IBM, and other lamers who are trying to own the English Language by trademarks: if your going to make a trademark, make up a word/symbol for it. Suggestion to Intel for a REAL trademark:
"Intelliside"
Oh wait, because of assholes like you Intel fucks, MS might sue you for trademark violations of its "IntelliPoint" mouse.
Other assholes include Nike, both for trademarking the word "Nike" and for trademarking the Nike symbol. Nike is the greek god of victory, closely associated with Athena/Minerva. And her symbol was the same symbol that the Nike shoe uses. Sounds like fucking prior art to me. Not to mention, it should be public domain.
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I'd like to take this opportunity to inform all of you that you'll soon be getting the paperwork in the mail from my lawyers (that's right, I have a team of them) for trademark infringement. I own a company called "The Inc." and over time I've noticed almost all of you using my trademarked company name in various posts/stories/journals etc. Being the reasonable, understanding person that I am, I shall settle for a small fine of say $1000 per infringement? After all, I really dislike court battles, so just pay me every time you want to use the word, 'the' and there won't be any trouble. :)
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Hey, maybe having Yoga Inside will make my system more agile! Where can I get one of those?
Intel: Full of shit inside.
That's it, I switch to AMD. Intel Go @#$ yourself inside.
PPA, the girl next door.
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You should stop associating yourself with the country you live or/and born and that would solve the problem of humiliating.
years ago, when intel introduced their "intel inside" logo, i created a version that read "intell-icide", as in killer of intellect. it is still applicable.
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- A.E.
provider of yoga lessons, especially one that's so clearly fighting the good fight, karmawise.
Does anyone know how I can contact them?
I want some more Karma!!!
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a big part of what makes "Intel Inside" is the sound of the repeating "In" this is some sort literary aesthetic enhancement whose name escapes me right now. It may be repetition. It goes on the principle that long runs of words which start the same way are more musical and pleasing. "Intel Inside" certainly looks that way. Yoga inside just doesn't have the same ring to it. what if some one said "Outside Inside" what would that mean?
All a coder really wants, are fast cars, fast women and fast algorithms.
I guess they don't care about the bad publicity that this will generate, not to mention how absurd this really is. This is not very INTEL-ligent.
So it would seem.
Running with Linux for over 20 years!
I'm am going to put a gigantic sign on the front of my house that says
"I'm inside"
better yet, someone should sell bumper stickers that say, "people inside"
And the top then star inside phrases associated with Intel:
10. Assholes Inside.
09. Lawyers Inside.
08. Fuck-holes Inside.
07. Dorks Inside.
06. Pinheads Inside.
05. Greedy-fucking-bastards Inside.
04. Arrogant-pricks Inside.
03. Information-nazi's Inside.
02. Dumb-fucks Inside.
and the number one Star Inside phrase is...
01. Big-Brother Inside.
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With Intel support the opposition to the DMCA, I thought that I should atleast play devil's advocate a bit. I feel I/we owe them that much.
When I first heard this, I thought to myself, "Man, copyright law sucks, but this sorta makes sense. I mean, Yoga Inside does seem to be capitalizing off of Intel Inside." It's not uncommon either for companies in different fields to try and capitalize off of a well-no slogan either.
Then I saw that they provided Yoga lessons to prisoners, and that Inside refers to being inside a prison. I have to believe that once the higher ups hear about this, they'll drop the lawsuit quick. It's unreasonable. When lawyers don't have enough real work to do, they tend to try and find a way to justify the horrific amounts of money they charge. I'm gonna have to give Intel the benefit of the doubt on this one that they'll do the right thing.
int func(int a);
func((b += 3, b));
considering how stupid this suit makes Intel look one has to wonder what keeps this instanity from spreading to their CPU designs.
Sure glad my box is Athlon powered.
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If the courts let this one pass, than a computer company with the name "Shintel Inside" could use this case as proof that the trademark is invalid.
No, because "Shintel" would infringe on "Intel". Any rational court would agree that the distinctive element in this case is "Intel" not "inside". It's like AOL trying to trademark "you have mail" which is generic and not distinctive.
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Here is the link to write them and let them know what you think. I myself haven't decided between the "YOU ALL SUCK, FUCK ALL Y'ALL" and the "Dear Gentlemen, I am disappointed to hear..." approaches. But do as you see fit.
"Hardly used" will not fetch you a better price for your brain.
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Suggested new trademark for Intel: Lawyers Inside
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Intel has a trademark on "bunny people."
tess.uspto.gov uses session-based navigation; links do not survive for longer than 15 minutes. In the TESS window, try clicking "Check Status" to get the TARR record. Turns out the trademarks are for keychains and sweaters. Here they are:
BUNNYPEOPLE BUNNYPEOPLE
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In related news, Intel has also begun trademark infringement proceedings against 784 million 'Jon Doe's for more trademark infringement. Says one Law Hacedor, 'It's the principle. The primary motivation for our ____ inside trademark, in lieu of the more specific (noun) inside trademark, is our initial original idea that what is inside makes a difference. Imagine, millions of people are infringing on the Intel trademark by using the phrase 'Look Inside'. Every day it happens again--whether it is a computer, or a box, a house, an envelope, or anything that could possibly have an inside, our _______ inside trademark is obviously being infringed, and now we must protect it... We have spent billions of dollars building the concept of an inside, as opposed to an outside, and feel that we finally can claim all of the many insides..."
Stock in Intel has dropped an $1.93 since the announcement, and Eldum Bint, an analyst, commented, "Just imagine, changing all those dictionaries...". Meanwhile, dictionary publishers have seen a small increase in stock prices.
Intel would like you to think they're innocent, they're not being a bully...
"Boo hoo, poor us, we're bound by trademark law! We have to defend ourselves this vigorously or we'll lose our trademark!" they cry.
Picture this instead:
Intel is a GANG. A large gang with a hundred members.
Intel goes to war with other gangs who wear clothes that are too similar to theirs or who spray logos on buildings which are too similar to theirs.
Intels defense is that if they didn't go to war with these rival gangs they'd look weak. So these large gangs battle it out for territory.
Since both these gangs are bad guys, and they're both on fairly even ground, nobody really cares if they try to kill eachother, even though we know what they're doing is unethical.
Meanwhile, this small weak gang of kids forms. They're totally unaware of these larger gangs and they come up with thier own identity which as far as Intel is concerned is too similar to Intel's.
So they decide to go to war with these little guys.
Their defense?
"If we didn't go after them then people might not recognize OUR gang's colors! Our gang might not be as well known!"
Well I think this example makes it pretty clear that this is a pretty piss poor excuse from Intel for attacking the little guys. Even if their identity will be diluted, that does not make it right for them to kill every little guy that comes along.
An unethical company such as this has no right to exist.
Refuse to buy Intel bullets... Sell their stock.
it's guaranteed never to happen.
The article says something about the intel execs claiming that their hands are tied, the laws are writen in such a way that forces them to be very asshole'ish about trademark issues. So then why hasn't Apple compuer shutdown the Apple orchard bussiness? j/k =)
At some point you would think that people would patent all the ideas, and all the words, and all things would be owned by somebody. To the point that laws would have to under go a dramatic reversal to allow a person to even speak in public without uttering copy protected speak.
And speaking of dilution. I think Dilution would be more like saying "Sparc within", or "Alpha in-the-box", and even "PowerPC inward". Dilution in this form is true dilution since it would make the issue ambigous of how you define "inside", or its like words.
It isn't a lie if you belive it.
Isn't this what us Americans have been voting for for the last thirty years? why is it, we have voted the corporate line for all this time and we act surprised when this happens? Corporate oligarchy is not new, we have just accepted it as the norm. To say otherwise is liberal and subversive and would get a file started in the FBI about you as a terrorist or communist. Vote Green!
-- Defenestrate Microsoft!
So now I have to wonder. According to Intel, we could have.
Is it to late to trademark "Virtual\ .+" ?
Build stuff. Stuff that walks, stuff that rolls, whatever.
There are 80 basic Yoga postures, and 80,000 variations.
And not one of them is called the 'intel'.
In fact, the only posture you'll find associated with an 'intel', is the "shoulderhouchedoverkeyboardstrainedneckahansa" -- and that is definetly not a classic Yoga posture.
There's also the "repetitivestressisfuckingmywristsahansa", and the "mybodywilldieprematurelyfromlackofexcerciseahansa " posture.
But none of these will be found on a Yoga video.
And don't get me started on diet.
Really, "Yoga" is associated with health, while "intel" is associated with unhealth.
Yoga means the joining of mind and body. Intel means the joining of your arse to the chair.
There is no possibility of confusing these two things, 'yoga' and 'intel'.
I suggest the lawyers sow a label onto the back of their trowsers, "shit inside", and then they can sue their own asses off.
"It's all inside!"
OLIVER
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You seem pretty angry about this whole mess. "Intelliside" seems to me to mean "Killing people who work at Intel". (Although spelled incorrectly, in that case). Some very nice people work at Intel, so please don't hurt them.
Trademark laws need to be changed, but don't let it give you an ulcer!
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security
Considering this and the nature of the group using the trademark (read the article) I think they should say "no, you can't use our trademark without approval" and then give them a licence for $1 or some other thing to allow the use.
Now, of course this assumes that Intel even has a trademark. How you can trademark "'blank' inside" is amazing... I think I will trademark "'blank' is", maybe even "'blank' and".
Dear Intel,
How about I jam my foot inside your ass.
Yours,
dimator
python -c "x='python -c %sx=%s; print x%%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))%s'; print x%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))"
Toys 'r' Us has similar on "'r' Us". They could shut down "Just Like Them Only We Don't Suck 'r' Us" or "Shrugs 'r' Us" for example.
Next they'll go after little "Evil Inside" logos that constitute fair use in free speech (as satire, political protest) as laid down by Falwell v. Flint and the First Amendment. Heck, one can make a completely valid argument that the same would apply to "Linux Inside. How can someone own a trademark on the expression of one object being within another?
"Yoga Inside" has no chance of diluting the Intel brand; however, Intel's behaviour does. Nobody's going to run around and say that they're computer is a "Yoga Inside". Your rant is spurrious.
I'm deeply suspicious of changes to trademark law. Got to love the recent changes that have been made to copyright law.
<sarcasm>Thanks, Disney!</sarcasm>. If this trademark stuff gets as out-of-whack, maybe we'll be using XPortholes instead of XWindows a few years down the road.
In this side of the globe, we have spoof t-shirts proclaiming "Inutil Inside" in much the same visual style as Intel's logo.
The funny thing about it is that "inutil" means "dumb" in my language.
I wouldn't be surprised if Intel threatened the manufacturer of these t-shirts.
Pet peeve: Profane people propagating perfunctory pedantry.
right here
Reminds me of the time they went against I think it was x86.org for having the dropped "e" in a logo there. What about the bumper stickers and tee shirts that say "Jesus Inside" Its almost Easter, time to bring the big "J-Man" back for another round.
Bullshit Inside(tm).
I would appreciate it if you could correct the error by reposting the story "Intel Puts The Squeeze On ... A Yoga Foundation?" under the section "It's Funny. Laugh." Thank you for reading my comment.
ALL YOUR INSIDE ARE BELONG TO US!!!!
I will now shoot myself
Now the real question is how much text in lowercase will avoid the slashdot censorship system?
If AMD decided to sue someone for trying to use the letter 'D' as the third letter in their company acronym, the majority of /.'ers would be cheering them on. This favoritism for AMD is just a tad bit silly, doesn't one think? And don't tell me that this lawsuit is any more trivial than 95% of the suits in progress in the courts at any given time. If Intel wins, they win, if Intel loses they lose. Nothing will change, really. Wait! Maybe no one will be able to say 'inside' anymore! Maybe the open source community should revolt! Sheesh. Keep your pants on.
For the Glory of Cthulhu! Illuminati For Ever! and not that crappy card game. The REAL illuminati!
go suck some chode you pole licker
Nope sorry, you can't use XPortals, Bill's lawyers will be down on you like a ton of bricks. You can't put a capial P to the immediate right of a capital X otherwise, you'd be confusing the poor people who buy and use Windows XP
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And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour Isaiah 3:5
Here Come The Woman
With The Look In Her Eye
Raised On Leather
With Flesh On Her Mind
Words As Weapons Sharper Than Knives
Makes You Wonder How The Other Half Die
Other Half Die
Here Come The Man
With The Look In His Eye
Fed On Nothing
But Full Of Pride
Look At Them Go
Look At Them Kick
Makes You Wonder How The Other Half Live
Intel inside
Intel inside
Every Single One Of Us With Intel inside
Intel inside
Intel inside
Every Single One Of Us With Intel inside
Here Come The World
With The Look In Its Eye Future Uncertain
But Certainly Slight
Look At The Faces
Listen To The Bells
It's Hard To Believe We Need A Place Called Hell
That's it, I'm replacing (or augmenting) my AMD logo with one of those "Intel Outside" stickers.
Click here if you just like to click on shit.
Over ten years , nobody is allowed to say : It's cold inside. Because that's copyright violation. Over 20 years everyone speaks dutch. Wen daar maar alvast aan.... =)
...that no one knows "inside" better than Intel: a world that is dark, intimate, and brown.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, write technology blogs.
That must've taken you hours to figure out. Bully on you for being so slashdotfunny!
Intel might as well go after pr0n sites that entice users to Cum Inside®.
The whole reason they switched to "Pentium" as a name indicating something-after-the-number-four was because they lost a court case where they were claiming trademark(s) on particular sequences of numbers (x, 8, and 6 for x in 1,2,3,4). If they thought that a number was worthy of trademark (and come on, even the dullest lawyer should recognize there is nothing more common than numbers, there are a billion integers for every grain of sand), then a word isn't much of a leap. Come to think of it, if intel wins I'll trademark the words "sue", "lawsuit", "patent", "copyright", "service mark", and "trademark", so I can charge licensing fees to all the companies that abuse them... (fee-free license granted to those that use them responsibly)
Everyone's favourite? Intel's not inside my computer.
AMD rules!
Ah, well. Congratulations, Tom.
Schwab
Editor, A1-AAA AmeriCaptions
try reading the article mate, try engaging brain before opening mouth
/. community!
i'd have expected a little better from a member of the
How about we jam an intel lawyer's head in an elephant's ass and make them clean the colon with their tongues and a snorkle one at a time?
But I thought Transmeta was everyone's favorite chipmaker!?
How dare you people criticize the little guys like Intel. Larger non-profit (profit-making) business like YIF have forced feeble organizations like Intel into submission. Most people don't know that YIF distributes products such as the Yoga Pentium and the Yoga Celeron. Give peace a chance!
.smell my feet.
Ever see those stickers on Antec cases?
Thankfully it's protected by fair use / parody. I usually toss logos out when assembling a PC but thought that was amusing enough to actually stick on the case.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Yoga Inside has been active since 1999 based on work done in 1995 by Mark Stephens in LA juvenile detention camps with six Tibetan monks sent by the Dalai Lama. here
That book has a website, www.yoga-insideout.com, here
"Inside and Out" is a popular way of describing holistic health, and the phrase "yoga inside" is commonly used to describe the experience, like the site here.
There is a travel company called Inside India which works with several Yoga therapy centers for health tours, here.
Barbara Kallir directed an instructional video guide to tantric yoga, "Inside Westside". Recommended for the Lawyers after those free courses, here.
Couldn't find a link between the Dalai Lama and Intel, unless you count that both are successful exiles. Although Apple struck the Dalai Lama from their Asian billboards so maybe ..nah.
The fourth most popular use of the word conjunction "yoga inside" on the web, after the prison project, the video, and general discussions of yoga and health experiences, is Intel's suit. How many hundreds of millions of dollars of PR is this costing Intel I wonder? Maybe the defendant should get the video publisher to join in, seems like they are making lots of money with their domain name.
To congresscritters,
If you really want to work for the people,
please submit a bill for the upcoming
congressional session.
The title of the bill should be:
"Trademark Dillusional Act of 2002"
And please, help Intel accomplish their
dillusional act, in that they thought they
own the English word "inside".
With the passage of the act - and I do not
doubt the expected smooth passage, with the
support from Intel - everyone can claim they
own something, some word, some phrase,
and I would like to join the crowd to claim
that since I am a Christian, and I believe
in Jesus Christ, I own the right to the
words "Jesus Christ".
Anyone violate my right will be prosecuted,
and PERSECUTED, by all means !
Thank you, congresscritter, for reading.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Shareholder value is a phenomenon of the 80s and 90s.
I'd like to create more shareholder value but I'm constipated right now, sorry.
and ask people to come inside, am I infringing?
This is a time to blame US law, not to blame Intel. Sure, Intel aren't so pure, but in this case, they have to 'sue' in order to protect their trademark.
But wait. Did I say sue? That's right. Intel are offering to cover the expenses associated with the name changes. In fact, they sound positively apologetic.
So, let's get the facts straight again:
=> Intel are forced to protect their trademark
=> Intel are offering to give money to the foundation to help them change their name.
Please, read the article before posting.
Score:-1, Funny
This is just...dumb. Granted, this isn't unusual considering where this is being posted, but hey. That's what you get for living in the most fascist, hypocritical country in the world.
You all suck! Filthy American pigs!
How you shop is just as important as how you vote if not more so.
Shopping is something you do every day voting is once a year (if you show up for local elections).
Shopping effects corporations which are more powerful then the govt and for all practical purposes own the govt. How you spend your dollars has a much bigger impact on the composition of your community and country then how you vote.
Unfortunately the number of people who are mindful of their spending is smaller then the number of people who vote.
What a pathetic country we live in.
War is necrophilia.
April 1 already?
-pyrrho
ok i know theyre peaceful like but never meddle in the affaris of wizartds if not someone else will therow a hex on intel. or even a dec or oct.
Suing INXS for a decade-old pop hit?
Pretty soon they'll start going after anyone that claims to have something inside. Chasey Lain should probably get her papers in order...
However, perhaps the logo could be adapted for Intel "Dead Meat Inside".
As a side note, when companies start agressively protecting their name, it is usually a sign that their name is overvalued relative to their product. Analysts please note.
The job of a corporation is to make money. To
increase shareholder value. You can hardly blame
them for trying to do that. Even if you don't
like the means.
It is the job of governments to create and enforce
rules that corps have to comply to. It is the job
of a government to care for the goods of its
citizens.
If the jurisdiction fails, put the blame where it
belongs.
If they're worried about Yoga Inside, they go mad about these case badges
It copies the logo format as well as the "{blank} Inside" format.
Energizer's latest batch of commercials featuring the infamous "Energizer Bunny" had them touting a new catchphrase, "Do you have the bunny inside?" I wonder if they're getting sued next, and if not, how come?
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So lets all fire up a website with "yourname" inside and see if INTEL will go bankrupt trying to sue everyone
Intel becoming their main corporate patron - LOL
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Its not a related product, isnt that one of the TM dilution areas? Its not a computer product. So how can it dilute the computer TM?
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Everyone seems to be grousing about this trademark dilution bullsh**, but I think you are all missing the point. How many corporate websites use a "/" or a "." at least somewhere in their urls?
If Slashdot were to hire about 5,000 a**hole lawyers, can you imagine what this would do for our favorite website's bottom line? Folks, we would never have to look at a banner ad, an in-article ad, or any other kind of ad for at least the next 1,000 years!
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Intel is between a rock and a hard place. The way copyright laws work today, if they don't vigorously oppose every possible trademark violation, it's legally impossible to go after the ones that do actually violate their trademark (e.g. if AMD started an "Athlon Inside" compaign). You can't pick and choose your enemies - you have to fight everybody.
However, they're looking like complete buttholes, a huge Fortune 100 company going after a charity. I can imagine when both names are allowed to coexist, Intel will do everything they can to make this go away quickly.
To be honest, I don't think Intel wants to win this fight. They just want to get the legal decision, win or lose. I'm pretty sure that Intel will make some pretty massive contributions to them after this is over.
Prior art has NOTHING to do with trademark infringement. (It does have something to do with patents...)
Actually, 'prior art' (in a more general sense) has a LOT to do with trademark infringement - the term "prior art" is a legal term that refers specifically to patents, yes, and using this term was a mistake by the poster. But apart from that mistake, I think he still has a valid point, if you interpret him to have meant this in a more general sense, that is, if it can be shown that before Intel came along there was a "blank Inside" already relatively commonly known by some segment of the public, then Intel's ownership of the *generic* trademark would be questionable.
As an example, another well-known generic trademark is the "x for Dummies" tutorial book series. If it could be shown that someone had already published some book such as "Fishing for Dummies" or "Cooking for Dummies" before the current ".. for Dummies" book publishers started their line, then their claimed ownership of ".. for Dummies" would be questionable in the extreme. I think this is what the poster intended, although he made a lay mistake.
Defense of trademarks is a requirement to keep trademarks (not so sure about the "vigorous" part), but trademarks also apply to specific industries - where I live, there is a "McDonalds Plumbing" company, and the McDonalds burger giant sure as hell has absolutely no claim to trademark infringement on them.
these are yoga practitioners supporting Fritz Hollings' CBDTPA...
This isn't the first time some idiots masquerading as lawyers have tried to bully someone.
Warner Brother's staff counsel made the mistake of threatening Groucho Marx because he had announced a new movie with the name "Casablanca" in it. Here is Groucho's initial response... What's truly amazing is that Warner Brother's didn't understand how stupid they looked after getting Groucho's initial letter. The exchange continued for several more letters until somebody at Warner Brothers finally got the message.
Need a sig? Here, have this one...
Intel Hires Idiots
There is such a thing; they're called generic trademarks. The ".. for Dummies" series of books is an example of a well-known one. In their case, it is a valid one, they have very wide consumer recognition of the ".. for Dummies" brand, and if I wrote a book on whittling and called it "Whittling for Dummies", I would clearly be trying to ride on the success of the ".. for Dummies" brand. Yet every book title in their series is different .. thus trademark law has to allow for this sort of thing.
In their case though, the ".. for Dummies" is the *distinctive* portion of the brand, not what comes before it. In the case of "Intel Inside", the "Intel" is the distinctive portion of the brand, not the ".. Inside". If I say to my wife "my keys aren't on the drawer" and she answers "look inside", obviously its not even remotely going to make me even think of Intel, and even the "Yoga Inside Foundation" does not even make me think of Intel. Thus, their claim to immediate consumer recognition of ".. Inside" is somewhat dubious, except when used in very specific contexts (e.g. computer CPUs .. obviously, if someone put an "AMD inside" sticker on their box, it would draw to mind the "intel inside" mark).
Note: its not a copyright, its a trademark. "Copyright" is the default legal rights that you automatically have when you create an original piece of intellectual property, e.g. if you write a story or a software program. A trademark is a specific brand (usually a word or phrase (e.g. "Linux", "Coca Cola") or an image, e.g. the golden arches of mcdonalds) that consumers associate with your product *in a particular market*.
I wonder if they'll be going after Kate Bush next?
I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong. Peugot has often *claimed* to won those numbers, but they certainly don't. In the case of Porsche they decided they couldn't afford to fight Peugot in court and "voluntarily" acquiesed.
What's more you are under the impression that trademark is intellectual property. It isn't. It is association in the public's mind, and if the public loses that association you lose the right to the exclusive right to use the mark, as in Band-Aid and Kleenex.
As such, in a very real and legal way, a trademark is the "intellectual property" of the public!
A trademark is an item that can be uniquely identified with a business. A company is granted the "temporary" right to the exclusive use of the mark only so long as it is, and remains, a unique indentifier.
As it happens a car model number with zero in the middle does *not* uniquely identify a Peugot, and "Yoga Inside" does NOT conjur up images of computer chips.
Thus neither is a valid trademark.
KFG
When are people going to stand up for themselves against the multi-nationals like intel and microsoft, they are treating us like complete fools and getting away with it!!!
OTOH, with stuff like the DMCA, I don't know what is legal in the U.S. anymore.
That would be US Patent & Trademark Office
1157 Records found with the word "Inside"
Service Mark registered on Feb 5, 2002 for "Be Happy Inside"
Trademark registered on January 1, 2002 for "Spin Out Inside".
Trademark registered on Sept 25, 2001 for "Tempur Inside".
Pending Trademark for "GCS Inside", Orthopedic Foodwear & Orthotic Inserts for FoodWare. Published for opposition. Without opposition it will be approved as a Federal Trademark in a matter of a few weeks.
Pending Trademark for "IR Inside", Providing a website on private intranet computer networks featuring financial information in the nature of public company investment related event information. Published for opposition.
Here's the thing, though... There are GOBS of trademarks and service marks which have the word Inside first, then followed by another word. What Intel is attempting is to override the USPTO's precedent and get them to stop doing that. They want nobody to have a trademark or a servicemark which has Inside as the second word. A good lawyer will beat Intel at its game easily. People seem to be content to allow Intel to bully them rather than to just hire a lawyer. If a lawyer would show the court what the USPTO trademark precedents are then I doubt Intel would have a chance. The precedents are to allow trademarks & servicemarks which are similar, but not identical. Intel wants to change that - to be allowed to change the rules by which the USPTO has been operating for decades.
It's bad enough that Intel chips are overpriced underperformers. The company itself is a bully. I have always either used Motorola or AMD chips anyway. To hell with Intel.
The case came with a stick-on logo like the "Intel Inside" logo, except that it said "Antec Outside" .
Here's a review.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
I believe AOL did get a trademark for "You've got Mail", when using the distinctive "AOL Guy" voice.
AOL(tw) has registered the mark YOU'VE GOT MAIL(tm) for AOL service, AOL service, toys, movies (e.g. with Hanks and Ryan), and t-shirts, and not just with Elwood Edwards' voice. However, AOL lost its (tm) on "you have mail" because it was too generic.
Will I retire or break 10K?
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When did the difference between a TRADEMARK and a SLOGAN get so blurred?
I mean, we don't buy an "Inside brand CPU", do we?? And no one says "Hey, did you hear about that that new 10GHz inside??"
So this isn't at all like the trademark issue involved with, frex, "Kleenix brand tissues".
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Yoga Inside could "recognize" that Intel owns the trademark. Intel could grant them a license to use its trademark. That way there has been no lack of defense of the trademark by Intel, and no infringement by Yoga Inside.
Now, this sort of rational resolution wouldn't make as much money for Intel's lawyers; and it would take a bit of ethical compromise from Yoga Inside, since it's silly to pretent that Intel should "own" this - but that's not anywhere near Yoga Inside's central mission; and it _is_ Intel's lawyers' central mission to not just use their relationship to coin money, especially in ways that result in unnecessary adverse publicity for their client.
If Intel has any sense, it will fire these lawyers for this behavior.
____
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
or usage, whatever.
... stupidity.
"children, inside."
When you have too much money chasing too few goods
and services you get inflation.
When you have too many lawyers chasing too few
court actions of real substance you get
and that is that their lameass slogan is worth
anything in the first place.
If they said Intel's In It or just plain old
Made with Intel Processors.
their sales would be exactly the same.
Bullshit is bad enough, but Bullshit based on
a delusion?
This is the best public policy idea I've heard for years. It could revolutionize corporate America!
In tomorrows headlines, Lotus will sue.
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Where can I obtain trademarks on the words "Trademark Dilution Act", just to prevent some
companies to whisper them in court?
Let's try an analogy:
In professional baseball or football, the players slowly
realize, that they can play foul and never get a penalty
anymore. The players will suddenly have to commit
worse and worse fouls to stay in the leage.
Of course I don't like the way the players act. But who's
to blame? IMO it's the judges.
I think maybe post-hardcore metal band The Shizit has the trademark on "Evil Inside." You can buy their second demo album, "Evil Inside," on MP3.com.
t ml
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/34/the_shizit.h
If you look at the picture of the album cover art you'll see a nice little parody of the "Intel Inside" logo with "Intel" replaced with "Evil."
Inside Inside
Inside Inside
Inside Inside
Inside Inside
Inside Inside
Inside Inside
Take that you dirty fucking bastards!
I'm Inside you.
Get your Unix fortune now!
Haven't they had "Surprise Inside" printed on the box since the Intel lawyers were runny-nosed kids hoping for a toy whisle ?
chown -R us
I got the impression reading the article that Intel knows it's a stupid case, but that in order to protect a trade mark, the hold must be seen to be defending it. Consquently, even if Intel feels certain that they'll lose if it goes to court, it doesn't matter, they'll go anyway just to be seen to be aggressively defending their trademark.
Perhaps some sort of clarification of the law is necessary to discourage corporations from acts of wanton stupidity perceived to be in the interest of protecting their trademarks.
All car makers of any substance belong to a naming association.
Car makers can name their cars anything they want as long as the name's not taken in that particullar market (think Subaru Legacy in the US, Subaru Liberty everywhere else)
If a name hasn't been used for 15 years or something in a particular market, others can grab the name
Leyland P76 Executive (mid 70's Australia)
Holden Commadore Executive (1990's again in Oz)
Look at the Pontiac GTO & the Ferrari GTO.
This means as long as Peuget hasn't sold a 504 in Australia for 15 years, Ford could name one of their cars a '504' in the Oz market without contravening the Automotive Naming Convention or whatever its called.
Both Apple and McDonalds refused comment on the other's lawsuits beyond the regret that ours is
such a litigious society.
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Didn't you see the logo by their mouth? Foot Instde (tm)
US Democracy:The best person for the job (among These pre-selected choices...)
I thought it had been worked out that you couldn't trademark '* soemthing' or even 'something * something else' as in owning the trademark for "great fruit taste!" dosn't automaticaly give you "great cola taste!"
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
They do display toys contained in the packets, "Free Inside", erm isnt this a violation according to intel too :D
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Seen posted on an 'energy effecient' window manufactures' store...:
Windows Inside
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Remember when, back in the days of the Pentium floating point bug, "Intel Inside" was a warning label?
Fuzzy
So next time a mother tells her son to "Get inside!", a few dozen lawyers from Intel will show up at her door instead.
Gotta love it...
The National Dairy Counsil and a coalition of American dairy farmers have teamed up to go after Christianity for their use of "Got Jesus?" in tv ads aired during the 98 Superbowl...
"He said the 'instant recognition and appeal' of the 'blank inside' format stems from 'Intel's enormous investment of over a decade of time and money.'"
Well don't trademark a common phrase you moron! It's your own damn fault for commercializing a fairly intuitive linguistic structure like "blank inside". What the hell? How about coming up with a campaign called "Hello Intel!" and being shocked that there are actually parallels in the Real World(tm)! Every programming tutorial book gets sued over "Hello world!" programs...
Maybe they could choose a safer name...like Yoga: Open the Windows(tm) of your mind
--
"I'm don't know exactly what an AS/400 is, but I'm pretty certain I wouldn't want one up my ass" --Lou
The only thing that Intel accomplishes by this is to give the Yoga Inside Foundation a lot of publicity.
I have never seen such stupidity. And what a waste of time.
This reminds me when Byte magazine force a free local newprint rag named Byte Buyer to change it's name. I was so tempted to start a magazine and call it Ass Byte.
Last week I helped my Dad buy a new PC; Lo and behold my surprise when I checked out the benchmarks on Tom's Hardware and discovered an AMD Athlon 1700 actually outperforms the Intel Pentium 4 2.1GHz, and is cheaper to boot. Now add to that the fact that Intel are evil, so why buy an Intel at all?
For PC Audio applications. The only chipsets that
actually work consistently with much pro audio hardware, are on Intel boards. AMD boards just don't cut it in general for multitrack recording. It's not a performance issue, it's
just an annoying set of incompatabiliites.
....Intel knows that ska is dead.
Hollow words will burn and hollow men will burn.
..they are concerned that enlightened people will prefer AMD.
Repeat after me: THEY. ARE. REQUIRED. TO. DEFEND. THEIR. TRADEMARK. VIGOROUSLY.
It even says so. In the article. Which you read before spouting off, didn't you?
If Intel doesn't attempt to defend their mark against Yoga Inside, they will lose their right to defend other, truly competing, marks.
My guess: Intel doesn't much care if they win or lose the case. According to trademark law, they have to defend against all infringements, so that's what they're doing. The law doesn't say they have to win.
Ok, with all this fuss from Intel about "Intel inside" and the mystical powers it endows upon Intel that allow it to sue innocent companies, I decided to check it out.
"Check what out?" you might ask. Well, in short, I wanted to check out what's 'inside'. So I did.
Now, to do this with a Pentium 4 would be silly. It's an expensive chip and I don't like the idea of supporting Intel's legal BS with my purchases. I found a couple of 486's laying around (33MHz if you're curious) and decided I should immediately set out to find out what's 'inside'.
Noticing the top is one piece told me to focus my efforts on relieving the chips of their bottom plate which I theorized (having neither the time nor the inclination to actually find out) were simply either glued or soldered on. Working under this theory, I tried using a small straighthead scewdriver to scrape away whatever was holding it in place on the outside and try to pry under the plate.
After realizing this was going nowhere fast, I looked around and decided the best way in was to reverse the process by which it was assembled. Keep in mind I had no intention of trying to actually do anything with what I found, nor do I have the expertise to figure out how any of it worked. I just wanted to see what the hell is 'inside'. I therefore decided to use a small butaine torch. This should, I theorized, heat up the glue or whatever enough to allow me to get into the plate.
I'm going to say this once and I hope everyone listens... DO NOT TRY THIS YOURSELF WITHOUT GLOVES, LONG SLEEVES, LONG PANTS, AND GOGGLES! Also make sure someone is very nearby (within talking distance) in case something goes wrong. I STRONGLY recommend you NOT try this AT ALL.
Ok, now torch in one hand, vice grips in the other, I proceeded to heat the plate up as much as possible. Pins were glowing, popping and crackling sounds were easily heart, and I started smelling a rather odd burning smell. Eventually the plate came off (dropped off the first one, was pryed off the second one) and I got my first look at what's 'inside'.
Take it from me Intel, this ain't worth suing over. Fire your lawyers and go back to making stuff. It's basically a little rectangular piece of material held into place by a bunch of small gold traces (one for each pin). It looks like the hologram cards from the old Marvel X-men cards. Well, I figured I should investigate further, so I lit up my investigation tool (torch) and went back to work. After maybe 10 minutes of torching various places, the chip pretty much exploded. I have to hand it to Intel, their die held up pretty well until the chip blew apart. Basically, there was a loud 'pop' and about half the cpu flew off to my right about 4 or 5 feet. Pieces of the die went all over and it was altogether really cool.
So anyway, that's the basic story, second CPU didn't explode, and by then I had taken out goggles and gloves to protect myself in case it did. So without further adu, I send you off here so you can see the pictures of what's 'inside'. Trademarks have been edited out for my continued enjoyment of not getting tossed in an 8x10 foot cell with "Bubba".
Enjoy.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
This is not Intel's fault; this is the law's fault. The law states that if a trademark holder does not do everything to prevent dilution of its trademark, then its rights to the trademark will be revoked -- i.e. Intel may not give a rat's ass about Yoga Inside, but they have to cover their ass legally and fight it anyway, just so the court can tell them it's BS. If they don't, someone else can intentionally infringe their trademark and point to Yoga Inside and say the trademark's already been diluted. Fight the law, don't make Intel the scapegoat.
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I have 'Intel Inside' on only one item in my home:
the water tank on my toilet.
Such a plan would require that Intel have humility and a sense of humor. You might as well read to Saddam Hussein from the book of Mother Teresa.
Since you guys nailed that one...
Try this one.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
The article states that Yoga is a "centuries-old spiritual practice". First off, Yoga is at least 5000 years old (its eldest roots are lost in the dust of time, this is just how far we can go with documental/archaeological proof). Second and more important, Yoga is NOT "spiritual", at least it was not so originally. The spiritualism/religion was only mixed to Yoga by century VIII D.C. when the practitioners of the Vêdánta (Shankara etc.) adopted Yoga. There are hundreds of Yoga schools, and not all are spiritualist (I am an atheist, and I practice Swásthya Yoga as it doesn't force any religion bullshit into my throat, yet it's a very complete Yoga up to the advanced meditation practices). This is all confusing for westerns like us, because many concepts of oriental philosphy exist in both naturalist and spiritualist flavors, and usually the naturalist version is the original version-- for example, the true Law of Karma is simply a universal action/reaction principle, not related to morals, reincarnation or anything spiritual.
Alright, I'm not hosting these on my own comp because it'd be slow and painful for all of us (Comcast's lousy 128k up) and I'm not tryin' to get soood by Chipzilla.
Anyway, if anyone wants to be kind enough to host the pics, feel free as I'm giving anyone who wants to the rights to use these pics on another site so long as credit is given to Loki_1929. Also feel free to copy all the original HTML if it floats your boat. (there's nothing fancy on there anyway)
So here's your last shot from me, if you haven't seen them yet, try:
Here
Here
and Here
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
Barring that -- and Stephens admits it's a long shot -- he said he's not sure if an amicable resolution is possible. "I'm prepared to go forward with the process and let the chips fall where they may," he said.
rofl... let the chips fall where they may
Hmmm... I am reminded of Blizzard Entertainment's problem with a certain sportscar (I forget which company makes it) being called 'Diablo'. Intellectual property is, in principle, a well and good concept, but examples like this take it to absurdity. Just as I fail to see how someone could confuse a nonprofit yoga institution with a major chipmaker, I cannot see how a sportscar and a computer game can be mistaken for one another. Even if the game's eponymous major villain is red, and even if that also happens to be a common color for sports cars.
- White Knight of the Order of Mihoshi Enthusiasts
If you don't go after every perceived violation of one of your trademarks, any trademark violation claims down the road will be compromised. It would be easy to argue selective prosecution otherwise.
If you have a trademark and wish to keep it, you have to defend every perceived violation.