No, I provided for a SERVER. Now I get the joy of spending $270 or so for a operating system for each PC...
You forego that $270 by choosing Linux or, now, Sun's Java Desktop ($50/employee above server costs).
The whole point to what Sun is doing is removing Microsoft almost entirely from the equation while putting Sun in at a lower cost. It is actually about time for a solid competitor to come forward to put Microsoft into place.
We will know Sun was successful when Microsoft lowers their pricing to match. So, if you choose, you can still get Windows XP--but for 1/3 the price!
The cost to the vendor is a whole frikin 60 cents to burn a CD
You are forgetting the R&D investment for the contents of that CD.
It isnt costing a vendor any more to have more end users access their server once its at the customer site, so why the hell do they think they are entitled to more cash?!!?
It's a licensing scheme that Sun is betting some customers will find acceptible. The key word is "bet". There is no risk-free move in business, but I think Sun is putting forth a good effort, regardless.
Sun may turn out to be more monopolistic that M$ if given a chance.
How would this be possible when their server software uses open standards to communicate and their Java Desktop is almost entirely made up of free software?
Sun is much less evil than most people try to make them out to be. So what if Sun turns evil one day, customers can just switch to Red Hat/GNOME/Evolution/Mozilla/OpenOffice.org.
I'd have to pony up $100 to Sun for him because he's an employee? No thanks.
For server software, that janitor uses it indirectly through HR, Payroll, and Management and directly if he uses a web browser to pull up his latest benefits information. Sun's pricing doesn't sound so nefarious after all.
If I spend $500,000 on a server with the hardware to support 4000 users, I damn sure dont want to spend another 400,000 dollars on licensing (basically nothing, air, a slip of paper).
Er, you just provided for a 4000 employee company with under a million dollars of hardware and software. What is your complaint, again?
If Sun were ever to be in a dominant market position, this sort of "bundling" would likely be considered actionably anticompetitive, like the MS OEM licenses which charged PC makers for every PC shipped, whether it had an MS OS or not.
But they aren't, so it doesn't matter. Sun is a competitive company with real competition from a number of companies. Microsoft's biggest competitor is themselves.
What happens in an enterprise when a department wants to try out SunONE App Server? They have to pay for their whole company?
No. You download the software you want to try for free from Sun. You only pay when you want to deploy in a profit-generating or enterprise scheme. Usually, Sun's freebie software is the real deal but perhaps with some artificial limits (like 200,000 LDAP entries).
For example, in Sun's $100 Solaris 9 media kit, they provide the full-blown Sun ONE app server along with their messaging server along with an Oracle 9 single-user license along with a full-blown WebLogic demo, etc. Not a bad deal at all. You can play as much as you want and defer the real licensing costs until deployment.
Well, Sun is announcing their Java Desktop System (formerly Mad Hatter) today. It looks to be a $100/year deal. It includes a Linux distribution, GNOME 2, StarOffice 7, Mozilla, Evolution, J2SE 1.4.2, Acrobat Reader, browser plugins, etc. The cost also includes Sun support, it appears.
Try to get something like Java Desktop for that price from Microsoft. This is exactly what Sun is going after. One of Sun's executives said they'll undersell whatever Microsoft bids in an interview a while ago. With that attitude, they'll be sure to pick up a few customers (perhaps more than a few).
It seems many Slashdotters (myself included to some extent) can't figure out that they can't always have their cake and eat it, too, even in a truly free country.
Big corrupt government bad, but...
somehow a poorly-run government-run universal health care good? somehow poorly-run government-run housing and welfare programs good? somehow poorly-run government-run education is good? somehow using government power to throw the world's trade into imbalance good? somehow domestic spy networks protecting from "terrorism" good?
And so on. It seems most people just want everything without any give or take. Kinda sad, in a way. This is why I have trouble listening to Democrat politicians speak. Republicans are just as bad, too, just more subtle. It's too bad that getting more than just two opinions on a subject into the government is so terribly difficult. It's almost as if people can't choose beyond two options slapped down in front of them (I don't know, maybe it's because they have only two pointing fingers).
I would just find a way to bring the car in illegally.
Even better would be to import the car legally. Then, build your own racetrack with attached runway for your private jet. Or, just buy a share of an existing race track and use it when others aren't.
Is it possible that a lower number of accidents in Europe are due to Americans driving cars everywhere for lack of public transportation? Or are your numbers for per mile driven?
Also a valid question: what are the differences in training and licensing in these other countries?
including the sense of smell, as well as the cat's sense of touch
You also have to be sensitive to drug allergies. My hands (not my ass, haha) broke out after using a brand of cat litter that must have had a penicillin-derived antibiotic in it.
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Does PETA have a hissy-fit, or are they not cute and fuzzy enough to garner their attention?
One person's pet is another person's livestock. Oh well.
The illusion of the capitalist utopia is just as much a mirage as the socialist utopia.
I don't disagree; I'm simply biased in favor of less government intervention than more (true free trade, for example, instead of the politically-slanted free trade we have today).
Some would even go so far as to drop their prices to nothing for a short period of time so that their competitors would be destroyed and then when the competitor was out of business, raise the price to a far-higher-than-orginal level in order to make up for the loss and then some.
Companies like Microsoft do this today, but we still find ways around them (Sun's Mad Hatter debuts today, for example). This often requires doing without something for a while, but it can come back once the cartel or monopoly is unseated. I just think hardships are temporary, only in the 1800s the timescale was much less compressed than it is today.
One day, someone will invent and market an energy-to-food converter (a.k.a. Star Trek food replicator) and all these debates over captialism vs. socialism will become moot.
One in ten inmates in the survey had been the victim of a sexual assault, many repeatedly.
Yeah, those pot pushers and tax evaders had it coming. Give'em what they deserve. </sarcasm>
BTW, someone recently had an "insightful" comment about the eye-for-an-eye reasonable punishment as described in the bible. Doesn't the prison system violate this idea of proportionality?
It's interesting how far people will go for very very superficial things like their hair. Just one more indication that we are more ape than most of us are willing to admit.
By the way what's the difference between a monkey with a swollen ass and a woman with swollen tits? What the difference between a grunting bullfrog and a person with a loud car stereo? Hint: there is none (other than certain aspects of appearance, of course).
No. The Government is a distinct entity from the People, and, even though it consists of people, we can't forget that people are not infallible in light of money and power. So, it is perfectly natural to be suspicious of an organization made up of people whose power reaches to every corner of the USA. For example, no other organization in the USA can take your wages from you and put you in prison if you refuse. This is why checks and balances are so important, to keep them from wielding that power in even more intrusive and indiscriminate ways.
The Constitution has done a pretty good job of getting the USA to today; however, it provides no guarantees that we will see tomorrow if we become too complacent in voting and voicing our opinions. What is so disappointing, lately, is that elections results are no better than chance. Bush vs. Gore was pretty bad (literally 50/50). The Clinton impeachment was pretty bad, too (only one or two people out of all of Congress didn't vote along party lines). It is so unfortunate that the Presidency has become nothing more than a tool of whichever political party is wealthier and more connected, rather than a tool of the People.
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Companies don't need Adobe Reader on the desktop, they need Adobe Acrobat (full version) on the desktop.
StarOffice has solid PDF output capabilities via Ghostscript. Is this insufficient relative to the Adobe-branded product?
Yes, because it's a heap overflow, not a stack overflow.
Does this mean that heap execute protection is easier said than done?
Or are we still using the term "Windows hole" when referring to Outlook?
I prefer the term "Microsoft hole" when referring to any of their rushed-to-market products.
This could potentially cause another part of the program to run past the actual end of the buffer.
/etc/system file (this is from memory, so YMMV).
So, is this even a vulnerability on systems that have stack executable protections (e.g., recent OpenBSD & Solaris on UltraSPARC, et. al.)?
For example, I put a line "set noexec_user_stack=1" into Solaris'
No, I provided for a SERVER. Now I get the joy of spending $270 or so for a operating system for each PC...
You forego that $270 by choosing Linux or, now, Sun's Java Desktop ($50/employee above server costs).
The whole point to what Sun is doing is removing Microsoft almost entirely from the equation while putting Sun in at a lower cost. It is actually about time for a solid competitor to come forward to put Microsoft into place.
We will know Sun was successful when Microsoft lowers their pricing to match. So, if you choose, you can still get Windows XP--but for 1/3 the price!
The cost to the vendor is a whole frikin 60 cents to burn a CD
You are forgetting the R&D investment for the contents of that CD.
It isnt costing a vendor any more to have more end users access their server once its at the customer site, so why the hell do they think they are entitled to more cash?!!?
It's a licensing scheme that Sun is betting some customers will find acceptible. The key word is "bet". There is no risk-free move in business, but I think Sun is putting forth a good effort, regardless.
Sun may turn out to be more monopolistic that M$ if given a chance.
How would this be possible when their server software uses open standards to communicate and their Java Desktop is almost entirely made up of free software?
Sun is much less evil than most people try to make them out to be. So what if Sun turns evil one day, customers can just switch to Red Hat/GNOME/Evolution/Mozilla/OpenOffice.org.
Where is the lock in? Where is it?
I'd have to pony up $100 to Sun for him because he's an employee? No thanks.
For server software, that janitor uses it indirectly through HR, Payroll, and Management and directly if he uses a web browser to pull up his latest benefits information. Sun's pricing doesn't sound so nefarious after all.
If I spend $500,000 on a server with the hardware to support 4000 users, I damn sure dont want to spend another 400,000 dollars on licensing (basically nothing, air, a slip of paper).
Er, you just provided for a 4000 employee company with under a million dollars of hardware and software. What is your complaint, again?
If Sun were ever to be in a dominant market position, this sort of "bundling" would likely be considered actionably anticompetitive, like the MS OEM licenses which charged PC makers for every PC shipped, whether it had an MS OS or not.
But they aren't, so it doesn't matter. Sun is a competitive company with real competition from a number of companies. Microsoft's biggest competitor is themselves.
What happens in an enterprise when a department wants to try out SunONE App Server? They have to pay for their whole company?
No. You download the software you want to try for free from Sun. You only pay when you want to deploy in a profit-generating or enterprise scheme. Usually, Sun's freebie software is the real deal but perhaps with some artificial limits (like 200,000 LDAP entries).
For example, in Sun's $100 Solaris 9 media kit, they provide the full-blown Sun ONE app server along with their messaging server along with an Oracle 9 single-user license along with a full-blown WebLogic demo, etc. Not a bad deal at all. You can play as much as you want and defer the real licensing costs until deployment.
What is the "system" described in the article?
Well, Sun is announcing their Java Desktop System (formerly Mad Hatter) today. It looks to be a $100/year deal. It includes a Linux distribution, GNOME 2, StarOffice 7, Mozilla, Evolution, J2SE 1.4.2, Acrobat Reader, browser plugins, etc. The cost also includes Sun support, it appears.
Try to get something like Java Desktop for that price from Microsoft. This is exactly what Sun is going after. One of Sun's executives said they'll undersell whatever Microsoft bids in an interview a while ago. With that attitude, they'll be sure to pick up a few customers (perhaps more than a few).
It seems many Slashdotters (myself included to some extent) can't figure out that they can't always have their cake and eat it, too, even in a truly free country.
Big corrupt government bad, but...
somehow a poorly-run government-run universal health care good?
somehow poorly-run government-run housing and welfare programs good?
somehow poorly-run government-run education is good?
somehow using government power to throw the world's trade into imbalance good?
somehow domestic spy networks protecting from "terrorism" good?
And so on. It seems most people just want everything without any give or take. Kinda sad, in a way. This is why I have trouble listening to Democrat politicians speak. Republicans are just as bad, too, just more subtle. It's too bad that getting more than just two opinions on a subject into the government is so terribly difficult. It's almost as if people can't choose beyond two options slapped down in front of them (I don't know, maybe it's because they have only two pointing fingers).
I would just find a way to bring the car in illegally.
Even better would be to import the car legally. Then, build your own racetrack with attached runway for your private jet. Or, just buy a share of an existing race track and use it when others aren't.
It's not the government that was keeping the 959 from being street legal, but Porsche itself.
What's that? The government increases the barriers to adding competition to the market, and, then, you blame Porshe?
Is it possible that a lower number of accidents in Europe are due to Americans driving cars everywhere for lack of public transportation? Or are your numbers for per mile driven?
Also a valid question: what are the differences in training and licensing in these other countries?
I'd support making these cars street legal if there were some way to control them off the track.
I believe these are called traffic laws, in conjunction with trees and cliffs.
my sister-in-law actually was a barnyard ejaculator.
Wow, good looks must not run in your family!
including the sense of smell, as well as the cat's sense of touch
You also have to be sensitive to drug allergies. My hands (not my ass, haha) broke out after using a brand of cat litter that must have had a penicillin-derived antibiotic in it.
Does PETA have a hissy-fit, or are they not cute and fuzzy enough to garner their attention?
One person's pet is another person's livestock. Oh well.
Hours on end of executing mice.
At least that's easier than having to figure out how to jerk off the mice!
The illusion of the capitalist utopia is just as much a mirage as the socialist utopia.
I don't disagree; I'm simply biased in favor of less government intervention than more (true free trade, for example, instead of the politically-slanted free trade we have today).
Some would even go so far as to drop their prices to nothing for a short period of time so that their competitors would be destroyed and then when the competitor was out of business, raise the price to a far-higher-than-orginal level in order to make up for the loss and then some.
Companies like Microsoft do this today, but we still find ways around them (Sun's Mad Hatter debuts today, for example). This often requires doing without something for a while, but it can come back once the cartel or monopoly is unseated. I just think hardships are temporary, only in the 1800s the timescale was much less compressed than it is today.
One day, someone will invent and market an energy-to-food converter (a.k.a. Star Trek food replicator) and all these debates over captialism vs. socialism will become moot.
From the article regarding stem cell research: "...as an American, I'm not going to be a part of it."
Thank you for imposing your arbitrary ethical idealism upon us all!
One in ten inmates in the survey had been the victim of a sexual assault, many repeatedly.
Yeah, those pot pushers and tax evaders had it coming. Give'em what they deserve. </sarcasm>
BTW, someone recently had an "insightful" comment about the eye-for-an-eye reasonable punishment as described in the bible. Doesn't the prison system violate this idea of proportionality?
It's interesting how far people will go for very very superficial things like their hair. Just one more indication that we are more ape than most of us are willing to admit.
By the way what's the difference between a monkey with a swollen ass and a woman with swollen tits? What the difference between a grunting bullfrog and a person with a loud car stereo? Hint: there is none (other than certain aspects of appearance, of course).
Is something wrong with me?
No. The Government is a distinct entity from the People, and, even though it consists of people, we can't forget that people are not infallible in light of money and power. So, it is perfectly natural to be suspicious of an organization made up of people whose power reaches to every corner of the USA. For example, no other organization in the USA can take your wages from you and put you in prison if you refuse. This is why checks and balances are so important, to keep them from wielding that power in even more intrusive and indiscriminate ways.
The Constitution has done a pretty good job of getting the USA to today; however, it provides no guarantees that we will see tomorrow if we become too complacent in voting and voicing our opinions. What is so disappointing, lately, is that elections results are no better than chance. Bush vs. Gore was pretty bad (literally 50/50). The Clinton impeachment was pretty bad, too (only one or two people out of all of Congress didn't vote along party lines). It is so unfortunate that the Presidency has become nothing more than a tool of whichever political party is wealthier and more connected, rather than a tool of the People.