They sell both really solid machines (400SC?) and utter shitpiece machines (600SC). Sometimes you get a good deal and sometimes the stupid thing just crashes when you put 2 or more PCI cards in it.
Their only saving grace is that once you figure out the right machine for your needs, they usually keep selling them for a while so you can buy another one when you need it.
Dell obviously has a clue when it comes to efficient just-in-time manufacturing, but they're way out of touch with how end users and businesses use PCs. Their web site is a joke. It's surprising how hard it is for them, with all the resources at their disposal, to get it right.
I was just looking at them, to replace my dsl/hosting/phone services. I couldn't find any on-line docs for their VoIP features, just a list of a few standard features. Worse, after several exchanges with their sales team I still haven't seen docs. Do you have a link to docs?
The only started offering it about 2 weeks ago. I'd give them a little more time to get the docs together and bring their sales team up to speed.
Right now, for the price it's about the same as what I'm spending at SBC.
For every tale of woe you can share about stock options, I can show you a dozen multi-M$ homes in Saratoga, Los Gatos, and Woodside that tell a different story.
Open your eyes Conner. Work hard and choose the right employer.
Well, to take a less extreme example - if you're just a small building contractor, you don't actually need to follow the building code, right? I mean, it's only a few houses after all - not many families will be afflicted.
Well, yes, I agree with that!
I've done all the ethernet, a/v, speaker, and phone wiring in my home myself. But if I hired someone do it for me, I, as the homeowner, would like the freedom to say "I don't give a fuck if this particular cable jacket's fire-safetyness is rated for in-wall / in-attic / in-crawlspace - just run it!
Really what we're talking about is whetehr the choice should be up to the consumer, or the regulators. Wherever possible, I'd give the choice to the consumers.
Yes I accept arguments about life-critical machines. But is there no middle ground?
and calls the poster of the parent post "a pinhead".
OK, you got me on that. But would you disagree?
Look, $10K is peanuts.
For some, yes.
I have an oscilloscope that costs that on my desk.
Nice scope. Mine samples at >3gs/s and cost a lot less. Maybe you got ripped off?
If you can't afford it, rent it from rentelco. If you can't afford to rent it, charge more for your product. If that won't work either, then we'll just have to do without your product.
You must be a geek, not the business guy. Have you looked at renting vs buying this kind of equipment? It's not like renting office space.
It simply doesn't make sense to allow companes to not pass the regs. What would be the point of the regs then?
Are you going to address my arguments, or just suggest that the whole thing makes no sense? I think I might have a point... care to refute it?
To take it to the extreme, would you accept a lower standard for hospital devicces or drugs simply because they are made by a manufacturer too small to actually meet regulatory standards?
Indeed, that would be taking it to an extreme, but I get your point. My company started very small, and then grew to where we can easily afford proper EMI compliance.
My comments relate back to when we just starting out. I am suggesting that maybe we can make some room for the little guys - not just the "unwritten understanding" that nobody cares if you're just shipping a couple dozen widgets.
FCC/CE requires that everyone meet the regulations. I suggest that exceptions could be made for startups and small mfrs, where appropriate disclosures are made to their custmoers.
Certainly, Toshiba has no excuse. But maybe we could open some doors for the little guys... it would lead to much quicker product cycles and faster introduction of new hardware ideas. Is that worth a bit of possible radio noise from your neighbor? I think so.
Tell me about it after you've self-funded a multi-M$ hardware business out of your garage. There are some big obstacles to innovation, and this is one of them. But you go on buying your Dell PCs and Microsoft Xboxes if that's all you want from the hardware industry.
All I'm saying is I'd like to see some doors opened for the little guys.
We just spent $10K+ on in-house EMI equipment, to mitigate the costs of having an outside lab help with troubleshooting.
You have to do it if you make any kind of electronics, but it's a big burden for small manufacturers.
It'd be nice to have the choice of saying "this passes" vs "this probably passes". Current FCC/CE regs require everyone to meet the spec, and this is a bit onerous IMHO. It locks some innovative small companies out of the game.
It makes sense to me. And it makes sense to manufacturers and dealers, apparently. Empeg made a great product and it didn't sell. Sony made some disk players and they're not selling. No startup companies that I know of are exploring this. What does that tell you?
Yes, there is a healthy market for $119 replacement decks. But I don't see a market for expensive new technology here. This is good technology, but I don't think it'll happen big until the auto makers back it up (or it gets much much cheaper).
Who can afford a $500-$1200 car stereo? People who own nice cars. People who generally don't want their nice cars modified. That's all I'm suggesting.
The automotive market moves really slow, including the aftermarket. There are reasons for that!
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There was this one guy who came up to us to axe us a question, but that's about it.
Did you hear OJ's son confessed to the murder?
He wanted to see a movie, and OJ said I dunno - go axe your mom.
can you actually BROADcast anything in Idaho...
Yes, there are many remote locations in Idaho which would be perfect for chucking your insolent wife off a cliff.
I have a love-hate relationship with Dell.
They sell both really solid machines (400SC?) and utter shitpiece machines (600SC). Sometimes you get a good deal and sometimes the stupid thing just crashes when you put 2 or more PCI cards in it.
Their only saving grace is that once you figure out the right machine for your needs, they usually keep selling them for a while so you can buy another one when you need it.
Dell obviously has a clue when it comes to efficient just-in-time manufacturing, but they're way out of touch with how end users and businesses use PCs. Their web site is a joke. It's surprising how hard it is for them, with all the resources at their disposal, to get it right.
When will a PC mfr get it right?
I was just looking at them, to replace my dsl/hosting/phone services. I couldn't find any on-line docs for their VoIP features, just a list of a few standard features. Worse, after several exchanges with their sales team I still haven't seen docs. Do you have a link to docs?
The only started offering it about 2 weeks ago. I'd give them a little more time to get the docs together and bring their sales team up to speed.
Right now, for the price it's about the same as what I'm spending at SBC.
For me it's WAY less.
I just got their new VOIP service and it works great. They control the QOS from end-to-end, so it doesn't drop out when you're using the intarweb.
Kick-ass ISP.
For every tale of woe you can share about stock options, I can show you a dozen multi-M$ homes in Saratoga, Los Gatos, and Woodside that tell a different story.
Open your eyes Conner. Work hard and choose the right employer.
Ya think? Maybe we should get slashdot's opinion. Can some submit a story or four?
right now they're calling florida as "weak kerry" which is nowhere near the case if you look at the figures in so far. Why is this site important?
compared to Internet2, which offers only 10 gigabits of bandwidth total
So if I run ethernet to the machine down the hall, and do a big file transfer, it slows down the entire INTARWEB-2 for everyone?
I'll stick with INTARWEB-1, thanks.
Apple ran a great ad in the SJ Mercury when Windows 95 came out. It was a full two pages that just said:
CONGRATU.LNS
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
Touché!
What the holy blue devil makes you think this burden should be waived for small companies?
Their customers should be allowed to assume it if they want to.
Well, to take a less extreme example - if you're just a small building contractor, you don't actually need to follow the building code, right? I mean, it's only a few houses after all - not many families will be afflicted.
Well, yes, I agree with that!
I've done all the ethernet, a/v, speaker, and phone wiring in my home myself. But if I hired someone do it for me, I, as the homeowner, would like the freedom to say "I don't give a fuck if this particular cable jacket's fire-safetyness is rated for in-wall / in-attic / in-crawlspace - just run it!
Really what we're talking about is whetehr the choice should be up to the consumer, or the regulators. Wherever possible, I'd give the choice to the consumers.
Yes I accept arguments about life-critical machines. But is there no middle ground?
Your post says "parent is troll"
No, I was quoting his subject line.
and calls the poster of the parent post "a pinhead".
OK, you got me on that. But would you disagree?
Look, $10K is peanuts.
For some, yes.
I have an oscilloscope that costs that on my desk.
Nice scope. Mine samples at >3gs/s and cost a lot less. Maybe you got ripped off?
If you can't afford it, rent it from rentelco. If you can't afford to rent it, charge more for your product. If that won't work either, then we'll just have to do without your product.
You must be a geek, not the business guy. Have you looked at renting vs buying this kind of equipment? It's not like renting office space.
It simply doesn't make sense to allow companes to not pass the regs. What would be the point of the regs then?
Are you going to address my arguments, or just suggest that the whole thing makes no sense? I think I might have a point... care to refute it?
You're the one bitching about not making enough money, possibly at the expense of the safety of an unrelated third party,
Did I say anything of the sort?
and the AC is the troll?
That's right - but I'm not the one who modded him down.
I'm pursuing interesting discourse, and I want to hear others' opinion. I'm not calling names or trying to shut down the topic.
To take it to the extreme, would you accept a lower standard for hospital devicces or drugs simply because they are made by a manufacturer too small to actually meet regulatory standards?
Indeed, that would be taking it to an extreme, but I get your point. My company started very small, and then grew to where we can easily afford proper EMI compliance.
My comments relate back to when we just starting out. I am suggesting that maybe we can make some room for the little guys - not just the "unwritten understanding" that nobody cares if you're just shipping a couple dozen widgets.
If you can't afford the equivalent of a couple of weeks of engineer's salary,
Who did you think would operate this equipment?
Thanks. :)
But it's not so cut & dry IMHO.
FCC/CE requires that everyone meet the regulations. I suggest that exceptions could be made for startups and small mfrs, where appropriate disclosures are made to their custmoers.
Certainly, Toshiba has no excuse. But maybe we could open some doors for the little guys... it would lead to much quicker product cycles and faster introduction of new hardware ideas. Is that worth a bit of possible radio noise from your neighbor? I think so.
You pinhead.
It's $10K for the equipment.
Plus people to learn it and operate it.
Plus a qualified lab to sign off on the final product.
It's not just $10K.
And why don't you sign up for an account so I can properly insult your retarded comment?
Raul,
Tell me about it after you've self-funded a multi-M$ hardware business out of your garage. There are some big obstacles to innovation, and this is one of them. But you go on buying your Dell PCs and Microsoft Xboxes if that's all you want from the hardware industry.
All I'm saying is I'd like to see some doors opened for the little guys.
Sean
We just spent $10K+ on in-house EMI equipment, to mitigate the costs of having an outside lab help with troubleshooting.
You have to do it if you make any kind of electronics, but it's a big burden for small manufacturers.
It'd be nice to have the choice of saying "this passes" vs "this probably passes". Current FCC/CE regs require everyone to meet the spec, and this is a bit onerous IMHO. It locks some innovative small companies out of the game.
The problem with letting people program in English is that you'll quickly discover people can't speak english.
Your argument makes no sense.
It makes sense to me. And it makes sense to manufacturers and dealers, apparently. Empeg made a great product and it didn't sell. Sony made some disk players and they're not selling. No startup companies that I know of are exploring this. What does that tell you?
Yes, there is a healthy market for $119 replacement decks. But I don't see a market for expensive new technology here. This is good technology, but I don't think it'll happen big until the auto makers back it up (or it gets much much cheaper).
Who can afford a $500-$1200 car stereo? People who own nice cars. People who generally don't want their nice cars modified. That's all I'm suggesting.
The automotive market moves really slow, including the aftermarket. There are reasons for that!
Er, I meant 52. Forgot about Canada. :)
When did we get downgraded from a continent?
When you standardized your currency. And if you all don't take a stand against our retarded gowernment, we'll downgrade you again to the 51st state.