Why is the plural of moose, moose and mouse, mice? And why isn't it Funguses, instead of fungi? The plural or virus has always been virii at least in all of my computer experiences..... But seriously, to my knowledge, even in biology the plural is virii. Vertical
I played Gabriel Knight and it got me very interested in the New Orleans history and culture. One of the few games that affected me like that.
StarCraft: I played this game with great expectation and was completely devestated (sp?). I expected this GREAT AI and got nothing of the sort.
Elite for the C64: My first computer and my first game. Why can't games of today be this immersive? and to top it off it didn't need a video card with 32 meg of RAM, a PIII-800, and 6 CDs.
I did for about 5 years until work forced Win 95b on me. At the time I swore I could automate ANY task using batch files (shell scripts - if you are too young). DOS's biggest down fall was complete and total lack of forethought. Every change that came about was like an aftermarket bolt-on for a car. To maintain backwards compatibility everything was a hack to add another feature.
I mean what is DOS really? Its an OS that lets you load and run a program. Is it missing a bunch of nifty features? You bet! But you can fit a nice collection of (software) tools on one floppy. Vertical
So if some believes in a god, and believes that that god created life, that person is ignorant? What if you are wrong? What if God did make the world in 6 days? Can you prove it? No, you can not. No more than I can prove we are the evolutionary descendents of another species. You seem quick to point a finger at something you can not disprove. You know as well as I do that for every arguement that you have for the pro, I can have for the con. I don't want to start a fight on Slashdot over whether God exists or not. I'll never prove to you that he does, and vice-versa. Personally, I think that you are displaying the same narrow-mindedness that you heap upon Creationists.
Let the modding and Name calling begin...a sure sign of intelligent thought. Vertical
Let it run for a while, they said....forward ports 6881-6889, they said...Your download speed will jump to 100-200k. Bullshit! After two hours my stats are d/l 3k/s (7.08 Mb) and u/l 11k/s (17.75 Mb) I'd be better off waiting a week and getting it from a mirror. This program needs to be seriously re-thought out. I hope you got a nice kick-back Jamie. Even my 768/128 cable connection should do better than this! I guess enough bitching, but this was praised as the new Napster, its not.
Mod me down, I don't care, but its still the truth! Vertical
I agree with the above, but I can tell you one very important thing. MAKE IT INTERESTING FOR THEM!!! I can not stress that enough. If they don't see a benefit (and I mean IMMEDIATE benefit), it doesn't matter what language you use. Thats why Logo was such a good training tool for kids. You get to see what you are doing up front. From there go to xBasic or something else that is more involved but still quick payoff. In my DOS days, Turbo C was a great language to use as the step up from BASIC. I am sure there are others today that would fill the same niche.
Heinlein had the ability to make his characters grow as the story progressed. I have always loved his story writing. And he never let technology bog down a story. Technology is a crutch to some writers...Look at StarWars II.
I also loved Zelazny's Amber series, although I guess that was more Fantasy than Sci-Fi.
Its hard to pick out the greatest, because there are several good ones. Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Card...and the list goes on.
I have to say this....I have some Micropolis 5.25 FH 6.4gig SCSI HDs that get very hot....but they still run great. Maybe the 'rated operating temps' have changed, or lowered, or maybe, just maybe, hard drive quality is less than it used to be.
On a side note...I was being sarcastic about the Maxtor / Seagate thing. I have had Maxtor / Conner / Quantum / Western Digital hds crash on me, and I have one of every brand (well maybe not any Conners) still running somewhere in my house.
I agree.....I was being a little sarcastic...I have 4 - 3.2gig Seagates in a Samba box that has not hickuped once. I think there are more factors than brand name that dictate failure rate.
But seriously, I have a 5400rpm 1.2g Maxtor that has been in use for over 4 years. I had a 7200rpm 20g Seagate that crashed after 14 months in a machine. I think the combination of high rpms with super dense platters is what is causing the most problems.
Of course, My father thinks that people just don't give a shit about quality any more.....
I do remember when you could search through 4 or 5 different search engines and get 4 or 5 different search results. HotBot would always return a porn site in the top ten results regardless of what you where searching for.
Could you go into more detail or point to a HOWTO? I have several compaq deskpros that I want to make into X-Terminals and would like find a better way to mirror them. Ghost works, but isn't very friendly with ext2.
Version 1.2 of Corel is VERY useable, plus without the root password, you can only change the appearance in the GUI. Not sure if you are giving this out to students or other people. Personally, I really like it as a desktop linux, even if it old. (based on Debian Slink)
I'm sorry my advice to use fiber over copper, bothered you.
I'm so sorry, I'll even explain to you why I gave that recommendation.
Mr. stone22 is going to go buy Cat 6 or Cat 7 (or what ever the company wants to call it, 6e, 6xp) and pay some joe (or do it himself) to run copper. Two or 3 months from that time he is going to notice that a run is operating at less than GigE speed (maybe less than 100base speed). He is going to have to find out why. Did the joe who ran it drape it over a florescent light? Around an electrical junction box? Put a kink in the cable? The troubleshooting list goes on. He looks bad because the new network isn't working.
If he lays fiber, half of his troubles go away. If he has to use copper he can then say to the powers-that-be, 'Yeah, we can use copper, but we will wind up paying more in the long run.'
If you want to run GigE in your basement, use Cat 5e. It was good enough for GigE before Cat 6 was a reality. If Mr stone22 wants to connect his servers to his hubs, he can use Cat 5e also.
So to answer the orginal question: I would use Cat 5e
While I can't insult you as well as the AC above, I do have to say that if you are seriously considering using this as a backbone pay the extra initial cash and lay fiber. You can go with MUCH longer runs, eliminate crosstalk, and generally find that life is much simplier. But if you have to have copper, Cat 5e UTP cable w/ RJ45s should be more than able to handle your GigE network.
Verizon is nothing compared to Ameritech. If you order DSL from anyone other than them in my town you can almost bet your line will be too long. My CO is a driving distance of less than 1 (ONE) mile. When Ameritech ran my line for Speakeasy DSL. It was tested at over >18000 feet. I have no idea how long it would be if Ameritech sold me the DSL. They decided not to roll it out.
One a side note Verizon and Verizon Wireless are not the same company. At least according to my wife an employee of said wireless. I have wireless service with them and haven't really had any reason to complain.
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In short, 80% of the people who read Slashdot are freeloaders who won't even pay to read their favorite web site.
What makes Slashdot such a great webpage? Is the ability to (most of the time) read about geek news? Or is the ability to read and discuss a certain post with thousands of technical savvy people?
I believe it is the second one. If you remove those 80% (the freeloaders) would you have the diversity? You'd probably have a lot less trolls, but I think you would lose a lot of good with the bad.
I belong to a great LUG which does not charge for membership. If they did, I wouldn't put as much effort into my time there. I try to give just as much as I get. Do I feel that I do? No, not really. I love going and hearing about aspects of Linux that I know nothing about and learning something new.
To tie that to your post, I feel the same way about Slashdot. I could pay for a news website, and get spoonfeed mass media trash, or exert my brain here on Slashdot. These freeloaders might be the very ones who give great info in AskSlashdot, or mirror slashdotted webpages. Pay to read their favorite webpage? They do! They try to give back to the Slashdot community as best as they can.
This is not meant to be a flamebait, you will notice I am logged in even. You seem to think cash is the ONLY method of paying for something. You have a lot to learn about life.
Personally I think, RPG is worse than Cobol as far as a programming language goes. It has the complexity (almost) of C and absolutely NONE of the benefits.
If you are going to make the change from OS/400 to Linux, convert your programs to C or even COBOL as suggested earlier. Or continue running it under OS/400. OS/400 is a fine OS regardless of it not being Linux. If you want/need to change to Linux it is for a reason, and that reason is almost surely to be written in C, so make a full change. It seems silly to me to change OSes and want to run the exact same programs that (should) run fine under OS/400. Maybe if you could explain WHY you need to change, suggestions would be a little easier.
Moving OS X to peecee hardware would bring much of that grief back into the user experience,
plus the overhead and hassle with fat binaries for developers and their customers
OH Please! Cheap hardware is going to be problematic REGARDLESS of the OS or architecture. I've several PEECEEs and if I use cheap parts I have problems, if I use quality, I don't. Surprised, aren't you? Another point I want to make, I've used lots different computers in the 15 years I've been in computers and I only have one thing to say!
I've used almost everything over 15 years and after all of this time, I'm now an AS/400 user and developer. I only spend maybe %5 doing system maint things (not counting backups) and the rest of the time I can focus on the task at hand, not troubleshooting problems with my machines. And now with Linux and it's Unix services, the AS/400 meets every need I have with style, grace, and consistency.
This is not meant to be flamebait, I'm trying to make a point. This whole "my machine is better than yours" war is stupid and over-rated.
remember the scenes where the wives talk about "politics", and the deeper issue they discuss is the physical appearance of the candidates
The news reported the exact same thing between Clinton and Dole. I find it interesting that appearance in politicans is an important part of their ability.
I always thought Starship Troopers had a lot better political message.
So a salesman-turned-techie is going to be able to setup a Win2K box, easier then a Linux box? Samba is fairly simple, even from a newbie point of view. DHCP? A cheap 486 with a Freesco disk stuck in it can handle his office.
I used to work with people like you every day. We had a Compaq Prolient that served as a RAS server in our office. When it came time to replace it, I convinced the management to let me install a cheap box, running Freesco. I replaced a Pentium III - 800 box with 2 - 9 gig SCSI drives and 512M ram, with a P75 with 16meg RAM, no HD, and it did the job just fine. The NT Admin wanted to go out and by a brand-new Win2K server with all the trimmings, and refused to believe I could accomplish the same feat on a machine, I bought for $20. If he is going to get support, why does it matter if he runs, Windows or Linux? Is the Linux support worse than that provided by MS?
Thank you for making my point. The games on PbsKids and other pages require Shockwave, not Flash. Shockwave is Windows only (and maybe Mac) I have flash installed. I installed it when I installed NS 6.2. Now, I'm not Joe AverageUser, but I am a firm believer in the KISS mindset. I have had several people at my LUG tell me that shockwave works fine under wine, but I have to ask. If all I want is my kids to be able to go to kids sites and play games, and I own a copy of windows anyway, why run an emulator? To me that would be like installing a PS2 emulator on your PC, when you have a working PS2 in the closet.
My sympathies. However that does make you part of the problem, and not part of the solution.
You'll have to forgive me if I don't understand. I run Linux / FreeBSD on all of the machines in my home but TWO (2). My wife uses Win95 and my kids use Win98. My wife refuses to switch (read learn about) to Linux. My kids use my Linux machine to play games and some browsing. But they only understand that PbsKids.org doesn't 'work' on my box. My Linux is completely self-taught, and I am VERY proud of my accomplishments. My samba server works seemlessly with both windows and linux. My mailserver hasn't dropped an email, and my firewall has an uptime of over 6 months. I come from an AS/400 background and had never seen a *nix OS. When I d/led the latest RH distro (at the time was 6.1) and struggled through the install, I was lost. I stuck with it, and have seen linux grow a lot in the past 2 years. I guess if you could explain to this simpleton why he is a problem, then I could refute your statement.
Since I don't normally think every statement I disagree with is a flamebait, if the above is one, go bother someone else.
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Why is the plural of moose, moose and mouse, mice? And why isn't it Funguses, instead of fungi? The plural or virus has always been virii at least in all of my computer experiences.....
But seriously, to my knowledge, even in biology the plural is virii.
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I played Gabriel Knight and it got me very interested in the New Orleans history and culture. One of the few games that affected me like that.
StarCraft: I played this game with great expectation and was completely devestated (sp?). I expected this GREAT AI and got nothing of the sort.
Elite for the C64: My first computer and my first game. Why can't games of today be this immersive? and to top it off it didn't need a video card with 32 meg of RAM, a PIII-800, and 6 CDs.
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Nothing wrong with DOS?
Try using it... eeek
I did for about 5 years until work forced Win 95b on me. At the time I swore I could automate ANY task using batch files (shell scripts - if you are too young). DOS's biggest down fall was complete and total lack of forethought. Every change that came about was like an aftermarket bolt-on for a car. To maintain backwards compatibility everything was a hack to add another feature.
I mean what is DOS really? Its an OS that lets you load and run a program. Is it missing a bunch of nifty features? You bet! But you can fit a nice collection of (software) tools on one floppy.
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So if some believes in a god, and believes that that god created life, that person is ignorant? What if you are wrong? What if God did make the world in 6 days? Can you prove it? No, you can not. No more than I can prove we are the evolutionary descendents of another species.
You seem quick to point a finger at something you can not disprove. You know as well as I do that for every arguement that you have for the pro, I can have for the con.
I don't want to start a fight on Slashdot over whether God exists or not. I'll never prove to you that he does, and vice-versa.
Personally, I think that you are displaying the same narrow-mindedness that you heap upon Creationists.
Let the modding and Name calling begin...a sure sign of intelligent thought.
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I wanted to read the article, but I couldn't. One thing to note, Linksys has Airport-like connectors, that you can plug a NIC into and go wireless.
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Let it run for a while, they said....forward ports 6881-6889, they said...Your download speed will jump to 100-200k. Bullshit!
After two hours my stats are d/l 3k/s (7.08 Mb) and u/l 11k/s (17.75 Mb)
I'd be better off waiting a week and getting it from a mirror. This program needs to be seriously re-thought out. I hope you got a nice kick-back Jamie. Even my 768/128 cable connection should do better than this!
I guess enough bitching, but this was praised as the new Napster, its not.
Mod me down, I don't care, but its still the truth!
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I agree with the above, but I can tell you one very important thing. MAKE IT INTERESTING FOR THEM!!!
I can not stress that enough. If they don't see a benefit (and I mean IMMEDIATE benefit), it doesn't matter what language you use. Thats why Logo was such a good training tool for kids. You get to see what you are doing up front. From there go to xBasic or something else that is more involved but still quick payoff.
In my DOS days, Turbo C was a great language to use as the step up from BASIC. I am sure there are others today that would fill the same niche.
Best of Luck
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I think he qualifies as Sci-fi...although maybe only barely. I LOVED Cryptonomicon and am almost done with Snow Crash.
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Heinlein had the ability to make his characters grow as the story progressed. I have always loved his story writing. And he never let technology bog down a story. Technology is a crutch to some writers...Look at StarWars II.
I also loved Zelazny's Amber series, although I guess that was more Fantasy than Sci-Fi.
Its hard to pick out the greatest, because there are several good ones. Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Card...and the list goes on.
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I have to say this....I have some Micropolis 5.25 FH 6.4gig SCSI HDs that get very hot....but they still run great. Maybe the 'rated operating temps' have changed, or lowered, or maybe, just maybe, hard drive quality is less than it used to be.
On a side note...I was being sarcastic about the Maxtor / Seagate thing. I have had Maxtor / Conner / Quantum / Western Digital hds crash on me, and I have one of every brand (well maybe not any Conners) still running somewhere in my house.
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I agree.....I was being a little sarcastic...I have 4 - 3.2gig Seagates in a Samba box that has not hickuped once. I think there are more factors than brand name that dictate failure rate.
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But seriously, I have a 5400rpm 1.2g Maxtor that has been in use for over 4 years. I had a 7200rpm 20g Seagate that crashed after 14 months in a machine. I think the combination of high rpms with super dense platters is what is causing the most problems.
Of course, My father thinks that people just don't give a shit about quality any more.....
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I do remember when you could search through 4 or 5 different search engines and get 4 or 5 different search results. HotBot would always return a porn site in the top ten results regardless of what you where searching for.
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This is the stupid newbie of the month question.
Could you go into more detail or point to a HOWTO? I have several compaq deskpros that I want to make into X-Terminals and would like find a better way to mirror them. Ghost works, but isn't very friendly with ext2.
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Version 1.2 of Corel is VERY useable, plus without the root password, you can only change the appearance in the GUI. Not sure if you are giving this out to students or other people. Personally, I really like it as a desktop linux, even if it old. (based on Debian Slink)
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I'm sorry my advice to use fiber over copper, bothered you.
I'm so sorry, I'll even explain to you why I gave that recommendation.
Mr. stone22 is going to go buy Cat 6 or Cat 7 (or what ever the company wants to call it, 6e, 6xp) and pay some joe (or do it himself) to run copper. Two or 3 months from that time he is going to notice that a run is operating at less than GigE speed (maybe less than 100base speed). He is going to have to find out why. Did the joe who ran it drape it over a florescent light? Around an electrical junction box? Put a kink in the cable? The troubleshooting list goes on. He looks bad because the new network isn't working.
If he lays fiber, half of his troubles go away. If he has to use copper he can then say to the powers-that-be, 'Yeah, we can use copper, but we will wind up paying more in the long run.'
If you want to run GigE in your basement, use Cat 5e. It was good enough for GigE before Cat 6 was a reality. If Mr stone22 wants to connect his servers to his hubs, he can use Cat 5e also.
So to answer the orginal question: I would use Cat 5e
Sigh
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Lease this space. Low Monthly payment!
While I can't insult you as well as the AC above, I do have to say that if you are seriously considering using this as a backbone pay the extra initial cash and lay fiber. You can go with MUCH longer runs, eliminate crosstalk, and generally find that life is much simplier. But if you have to have copper, Cat 5e UTP cable w/ RJ45s should be more than able to handle your GigE network.
Peace.
Verizon is nothing compared to Ameritech. If you order DSL from anyone other than them in my town you can almost bet your line will be too long. My CO is a driving distance of less than 1 (ONE) mile. When Ameritech ran my line for Speakeasy DSL. It was tested at over >18000 feet. I have no idea how long it would be if Ameritech sold me the DSL. They decided not to roll it out.
One a side note Verizon and Verizon Wireless are not the same company. At least according to my wife an employee of said wireless. I have wireless service with them and haven't really had any reason to complain.
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In short, 80% of the people who read Slashdot are freeloaders who won't even pay to read their favorite web site.
What makes Slashdot such a great webpage? Is the ability to (most of the time) read about geek news? Or is the ability to read and discuss a certain post with thousands of technical savvy people?
I believe it is the second one. If you remove those 80% (the freeloaders) would you have the diversity? You'd probably have a lot less trolls, but I think you would lose a lot of good with the bad.
I belong to a great LUG which does not charge for membership. If they did, I wouldn't put as much effort into my time there. I try to give just as much as I get. Do I feel that I do? No, not really. I love going and hearing about aspects of Linux that I know nothing about and learning something new.
To tie that to your post, I feel the same way about Slashdot. I could pay for a news website, and get spoonfeed mass media trash, or exert my brain here on Slashdot. These freeloaders might be the very ones who give great info in AskSlashdot, or mirror slashdotted webpages. Pay to read their favorite webpage? They do! They try to give back to the Slashdot community as best as they can.
This is not meant to be a flamebait, you will notice I am logged in even. You seem to think cash is the ONLY method of paying for something. You have a lot to learn about life.
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Personally I think, RPG is worse than Cobol as far as a programming language goes. It has the complexity (almost) of C and absolutely NONE of the benefits.
If you are going to make the change from OS/400 to Linux, convert your programs to C or even COBOL as suggested earlier. Or continue running it under OS/400. OS/400 is a fine OS regardless of it not being Linux.
If you want/need to change to Linux it is for a reason, and that reason is almost surely to be written in C, so make a full change.
It seems silly to me to change OSes and want to run the exact same programs that (should) run fine under OS/400. Maybe if you could explain WHY you need to change, suggestions would be a little easier.
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Moving OS X to peecee hardware would bring much of that grief back into the user experience,
plus the overhead and hassle with fat binaries for developers and their customers
OH Please! Cheap hardware is going to be problematic REGARDLESS of the OS or architecture. I've several PEECEEs and if I use cheap parts I have problems, if I use quality, I don't. Surprised, aren't you? Another point I want to make, I've used lots different computers in the 15 years I've been in computers and I only have one thing to say!
I've used almost everything over 15 years and after all of this time, I'm now an AS/400 user and developer. I only spend maybe %5 doing system maint things (not counting backups) and the rest of the time I can focus on the task at hand, not troubleshooting problems with my machines. And now with Linux and it's Unix services, the AS/400 meets every need I have with style, grace, and consistency.
This is not meant to be flamebait, I'm trying to make a point. This whole "my machine is better than yours" war is stupid and over-rated.
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remember the scenes where the wives talk about "politics", and the deeper issue they discuss is the physical appearance of the candidates
The news reported the exact same thing between Clinton and Dole. I find it interesting that appearance in politicans is an important part of their ability.
I always thought Starship Troopers had a lot better political message.
Just my $0.02 - Vertical
So a salesman-turned-techie is going to be able to setup a Win2K box, easier then a Linux box? Samba is fairly simple, even from a newbie point of view. DHCP? A cheap 486 with a Freesco disk stuck in it can handle his office.
I used to work with people like you every day. We had a Compaq Prolient that served as a RAS server in our office. When it came time to replace it, I convinced the management to let me install a cheap box, running Freesco. I replaced a Pentium III - 800 box with 2 - 9 gig SCSI drives and 512M ram, with a P75 with 16meg RAM, no HD, and it did the job just fine. The NT Admin wanted to go out and by a brand-new Win2K server with all the trimmings, and refused to believe I could accomplish the same feat on a machine, I bought for $20.
If he is going to get support, why does it matter if he runs, Windows or Linux? Is the Linux support worse than that provided by MS?
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Thank you for making my point. The games on PbsKids and other pages require Shockwave, not Flash. Shockwave is Windows only (and maybe Mac) I have flash installed. I installed it when I installed NS 6.2. Now, I'm not Joe AverageUser, but I am a firm believer in the KISS mindset.
I have had several people at my LUG tell me that shockwave works fine under wine, but I have to ask. If all I want is my kids to be able to go to kids sites and play games, and I own a copy of windows anyway, why run an emulator? To me that would be like installing a PS2 emulator on your PC, when you have a working PS2 in the closet.
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My sympathies. However that does make you part of the problem, and not part of the solution.
You'll have to forgive me if I don't understand. I run Linux / FreeBSD on all of the machines in my home but TWO (2). My wife uses Win95 and my kids use Win98. My wife refuses to switch (read learn about) to Linux. My kids use my Linux machine to play games and some browsing. But they only understand that PbsKids.org doesn't 'work' on my box. My Linux is completely self-taught, and I am VERY proud of my accomplishments. My samba server works seemlessly with both windows and linux. My mailserver hasn't dropped an email, and my firewall has an uptime of over 6 months. I come from an AS/400 background and had never seen a *nix OS. When I d/led the latest RH distro (at the time was 6.1) and struggled through the install, I was lost. I stuck with it, and have seen linux grow a lot in the past 2 years.
I guess if you could explain to this simpleton why he is a problem, then I could refute your statement.
Since I don't normally think every statement I disagree with is a flamebait, if the above is one, go bother someone else.
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