You haven't paid attention to the average income of Mac owners vs. Windows or Linux users, have you? Stealing THEIR (Mac owners' identities has GOT to be more efficient, profit-wise, than wading through an entire PLANET-ful of sad, broke Windows owners)
Let's be real here: 60 million MacOSX users worldwide vs 1,500 million Windows users. Big businesses have sensitive data you can get to via Windows exploits. We're talking about 1 MacOSX user for every 25 Windows users in the naive case, and that's an inflated comparison.
So $80k vs $50k? Even if Windows users made, on average, minimum wage ($16,500), MacOSX users would need an average income of $412,500 to be worth it. That ignores the value of ransoming big businesses, the high-speed spread across the Windows monoculture (MacOSX malware would have to find another OSX machine, so would spread slowly across the broad installation base due to target dilution), and the fact that OSX users are poor because they already spent all their income on Apple bullshit.
You ALMOST had me until your Hater bullshit last line.
You make it available in source code form, and other people can take that source, compile it themselves and install it on their own devices. All this does is limit your audience to those who are willing and capable of doing that.
Or you can simply use Cydia Impactor to load.ipa files, even from a Windos machine, and then tell iOS to "Trust this Publisher".
There truly isn't a "walled garden" anymore. Not for several years.
Correct, you don't really own it. You own the hardware, but you don't own the operating system.. and you never did. Read the TERMS OF SERVICE next time you install iOS.. it's in the very first paragraph.
Just don't buy Apple and Apple will go away. Apple can not survive more than 3 flopped products in a row and if you don't but their crap those Apple shares will be worth fractions of a cent end of next year.
Dude, Apple has 200 BILLION in the bank, and no long term debt.
and yet it's still not much of an attack surface (not all over the net) or a big target (not a lot of payoff). It gets its ass raped at Pwn2Own and had one dude releasing a brand new exploit every day in OSX operating system components for a while, but nobody really cares.
Not a lot of payoff?!?
You haven't paid attention to the average income of Mac owners vs. Windows or Linux users, have you? Stealing THEIR (Mac owners' identities has GOT to be more efficient, profit-wise, than wading through an entire PLANET-ful of sad, broke Windows owners).
and as far as Pwn2Own goes, the actual RESULTS for 2017 (the only one that counts) paint a much different story. In fact, there was only ONE fully-successful exploit in Safari. Another attempt at Safari was "partly successful". There were two successful attempts on macOS, but considering that number of MS Edge, FireFox, Ubuntu Desktop, and Adobe Flash and Reader exploits were about the same as the Apple ones, I think it is pretty disingenuous to call it an "ass raping" of macOS or Safari.
Take a look at the news - WannaCry barely affected XP boxes. Malware that takes advantage of holes in the latest and greatest just doesn't work that well on older stuff, because both expoitable mistakes and needed features to exploit if it's to work just aren't there. The people who were crying about how XP was the most vulnerable found out the hard way that Windows 7 was way more vulnerable. And if they had bothered to do ANY research, they would have found you didn't need to do an update, just turn off ONE SINGLE FEATURE - one that nobody uses anyway.
Yeah, I HAD to go the "Disable SMB-1" route with my work Windows 7 machine. I couldn't get the recommended "update" to install correctly; so I just disabled SMB-1 and called it "good"...
OSX is riddled with tons of security holes due to really bad programming.
Unix was designed with security in mind, hence why it had a functional DAC system which extended quite well to ACL (although the standard for ACLs was rescinded; Linux implements it anyway), and took Capabilities-based security equally-well.
Ya know, I have heard these memes for YEARS regarding OS X/macOS and "riddled with security holes", and yet...
Are you speaking of the irony that stems from the fact that, in the early days of Apple, Jobs basically touted that they were the "Anti-IBM"?
If so, I have thought about that, too. But remember, PCs were only a VERY small part of IBM's business (in fact, it started as part of their TYPEWRITER division!); so IBM itself was never THAT beholden to the WIndows culture, anyway.
Funny - mine hasn't been updated in a couple of years (at least) and no malware. It's the same as any other computer - don't download shit, don't go to shit web sites, and you'll probably be okay for years more.
While I agree, that's certainly no rules to design a platform under... (yes, I know. I ended my sentence with a proposition...);-)
Nowhere did I touch the issue of malware on Android. What could be incorrect in a statement I never made? I fully agree that the security, updating and distribution aspects of Android are flawed. However, fixing them hardly seems to require removing Android's technical advantages.
The smartphone already existed. The market existed. Jobs saw that the need existed and was already being served by others. He jumped in as well. "Before anyone else" is Apple fanboy mythology.
I'll be more specific:
He saw that cellphones universally sucked donkey balls, and decided that Apple could do better than those.
So he went about tasking several "competing" teams at Apple with improving the cellphone UI "experience".
Eventually, he picked a "winner", and the R&D team converged on making that Project happen.
It's "beautiful" (personally, I think it looks like a toy) at the expensive of modularity, upgradeability and repairability. If any one single component goes bad, say a RAM chip, the SSD, the GPU or the screen, you have to toss the whole thing and buy another. With a properly designed desktop or laptop PC, I can just swap parts in and out.
But, now you're switching arguments from "just a luxury item" (all form and no substance), to completely different criteria. Nice try.
RAM is (still) easily upgradeable in iMacs. As is the mass-storage (although not as easily).. I assume it will be so in the iMac Pro, too.
And 99% of laptops these days, no matter the brand, are no more repairable for the average person than your TV's Remote Control.
So, it sounds like you would be more of a customer for the upcoming "modular" Mac Pro. No one knows exactly what "modular" means, but "upgradability" (which brings along with it, "repairability") of things like the CPU, GPU, SSD, RAM, etc. were specifically mentioned.
Just because you can't stand someone not having the exact same opinion as yourself, doesn't make you completely right - even I know that!
I was just saying that you were being picayune about the placement of the back "button", when it is the functionality that counts, at least more than whether you have to move your hand a few inches..
FTFY. Macros are disabled by default, and office has been opening files in protected mode, which disables all 'script-like' elements for years. And if you're on a domain, you can tighten those screws even further.
And all of this stuff is built upon design features that were present in NT decades ago, unlike bolt-ons that exist in the Unix world. UNIX had zero protection because it wasn't designed with security in mind. As the designers have admitted years ago. You do have some toys like SELinux/AppArmour but the first thing people want to do is turn them off because they sucks.
I dunno about that.
macOS seems to be doing pretty good in the security department, and it is a UNIX.
How do you plan to save emailed documents to local storage, download files from the internet, then read-write to those files using local programs, etc?
That's easy!
You just turn off the Ransomware Protection, just like everyone did with UAC!!!
I know it's fun to hate on Microsoft but it's worth noting that Linux has no protection from this kind of malware either. With this change the user directory on Windows will actually be more secure than the user directory in Linux.
No, it will just devolve into being a REAL PITA to do ANYTHING that resides inside of your User's directory-tree.
I'm just entirely shocked that Microsoft's stock price hasn't cratered into the pit it deserves. Don't think that the current wave isn't the last or best; ransomware will be iteratively released until bitcoin shoots past $10,000/coin.
Because it's not really hurting Microsoft's pocket. There isn't really a legitimate alternative for windows. The general public seemed baffled by Linux (and Linux isn't getting the marketing spent to promote it). Apple is a walled garden that nobody wants.
Many business apps only run on windows. Microsoft's customers aren't going anywhere.
"IBM began replacing PCs with Macs in early 2015, when it began giving employees the choice to upgrade to a Mac when their company kit needed upgrading. The data speaks for itself, at IBM an astonishing 73 percent of employees will choose a Mac when they get the chance to choose for themselves"
Prediction: It will be exactly 6 months, maybe less, before MS largely defeats this, because, just like UAC, the only way MS knows how to make anything is either COMPLETELY in-your-face to the point of madness, or COMPLETELY useless.
And if the smartphone hadn't already existed and had a million dollar market, Jobs wouldn't have given a microsecond of thought to considering entering the smartphone market.
If Microsoft is Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, then Apple is Chase, Capture, Cripple.
You're just saying he identified a need. So? He identified it before anyone else.
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You haven't paid attention to the average income of Mac owners vs. Windows or Linux users, have you? Stealing THEIR (Mac owners' identities has GOT to be more efficient, profit-wise, than wading through an entire PLANET-ful of sad, broke Windows owners)
Let's be real here: 60 million MacOSX users worldwide vs 1,500 million Windows users. Big businesses have sensitive data you can get to via Windows exploits. We're talking about 1 MacOSX user for every 25 Windows users in the naive case, and that's an inflated comparison.
So $80k vs $50k? Even if Windows users made, on average, minimum wage ($16,500), MacOSX users would need an average income of $412,500 to be worth it. That ignores the value of ransoming big businesses, the high-speed spread across the Windows monoculture (MacOSX malware would have to find another OSX machine, so would spread slowly across the broad installation base due to target dilution), and the fact that OSX users are poor because they already spent all their income on Apple bullshit.
You ALMOST had me until your Hater bullshit last line.
You look pretty pathetic defending Apple all the time. Get a fucking backbone and stop drinking the kool-aid.
Not nearly as pathetic as you do, by giving a shit what another person does.
You make it available in source code form, and other people can take that source, compile it themselves and install it on their own devices. All this does is limit your audience to those who are willing and capable of doing that.
Or you can simply use Cydia Impactor to load .ipa files, even from a Windos machine, and then tell iOS to "Trust this Publisher".
There truly isn't a "walled garden" anymore. Not for several years.
Well, then it's not all good right? I mean, the DRM and other stuff is there to benefit mainly the company.
Or do you think iTunes is good for the user? Really?
What do iTunes have to do with iOS?
Correct, you don't really own it. You own the hardware, but you don't own the operating system.. and you never did. Read the TERMS OF SERVICE next time you install iOS.. it's in the very first paragraph.
And you think you "own" Android?!?
Just don't buy Apple and Apple will go away. Apple can not survive more than 3 flopped products in a row and if you don't but their crap those Apple shares will be worth fractions of a cent end of next year.
Dude, Apple has 200 BILLION in the bank, and no long term debt.
You can fail a LOT with that kind of cash.
Apart from the fact Samsung don't own the Google Play store.
And the even bigger fact you can install anything you want on your Android from any store you like, or even no store at all.
Ever since iOS 8, you can do that (sideloading) with iOS, too. Do try to keep up.
Perhaps that's the real reason that Jailbreaking of iOS devices stopped being " a thing".
and yet it's still not much of an attack surface (not all over the net) or a big target (not a lot of payoff). It gets its ass raped at Pwn2Own and had one dude releasing a brand new exploit every day in OSX operating system components for a while, but nobody really cares.
Not a lot of payoff?!?
You haven't paid attention to the average income of Mac owners vs. Windows or Linux users, have you? Stealing THEIR (Mac owners' identities has GOT to be more efficient, profit-wise, than wading through an entire PLANET-ful of sad, broke Windows owners).
and as far as Pwn2Own goes, the actual RESULTS for 2017 (the only one that counts) paint a much different story. In fact, there was only ONE fully-successful exploit in Safari. Another attempt at Safari was "partly successful". There were two successful attempts on macOS, but considering that number of MS Edge, FireFox, Ubuntu Desktop, and Adobe Flash and Reader exploits were about the same as the Apple ones, I think it is pretty disingenuous to call it an "ass raping" of macOS or Safari.
https://www.404techsupport.com...
If you'e going to LIE, make sure that it isn't readily disprovable.
No, not particularly.
But thanks for the new word!
Take a look at the news - WannaCry barely affected XP boxes. Malware that takes advantage of holes in the latest and greatest just doesn't work that well on older stuff, because both expoitable mistakes and needed features to exploit if it's to work just aren't there. The people who were crying about how XP was the most vulnerable found out the hard way that Windows 7 was way more vulnerable. And if they had bothered to do ANY research, they would have found you didn't need to do an update, just turn off ONE SINGLE FEATURE - one that nobody uses anyway.
Yeah, I HAD to go the "Disable SMB-1" route with my work Windows 7 machine. I couldn't get the recommended "update" to install correctly; so I just disabled SMB-1 and called it "good"...
Yes, and the other way around too.
Windows or no Windows, IBM owned PC(tm)
If you mean the TERM "Personal Computer", no, they didn't.
Actually, it goes all the way back to MITS, and the Altair 8800. This predates the IBM PC by several years:
https://www.technobuffalo.com/...
http://www.computerhistory.org...
OSX is riddled with tons of security holes due to really bad programming.
Unix was designed with security in mind, hence why it had a functional DAC system which extended quite well to ACL (although the standard for ACLs was rescinded; Linux implements it anyway), and took Capabilities-based security equally-well.
Ya know, I have heard these memes for YEARS regarding OS X/macOS and "riddled with security holes", and yet...
"IBM began replacing PCs with Macs in early 2015"
Irony can be pretty ironic.
Are you speaking of the irony that stems from the fact that, in the early days of Apple, Jobs basically touted that they were the "Anti-IBM"?
If so, I have thought about that, too. But remember, PCs were only a VERY small part of IBM's business (in fact, it started as part of their TYPEWRITER division!); so IBM itself was never THAT beholden to the WIndows culture, anyway.
Right, because your own incessant replies weren't being picayune at all....
I was just repying to someone who kept arguing.
Funny - mine hasn't been updated in a couple of years (at least) and no malware. It's the same as any other computer - don't download shit, don't go to shit web sites, and you'll probably be okay for years more.
While I agree, that's certainly no rules to design a platform under... (yes, I know. I ended my sentence with a proposition...) ;-)
Nowhere did I touch the issue of malware on Android. What could be incorrect in a statement I never made? I fully agree that the security, updating and distribution aspects of Android are flawed. However, fixing them hardly seems to require removing Android's technical advantages.
What "technical advantages" would those be?
You can't read, can you?
The smartphone already existed.
The market existed.
Jobs saw that the need existed and was already being served by others.
He jumped in as well.
"Before anyone else" is Apple fanboy mythology.
I'll be more specific:
He saw that cellphones universally sucked donkey balls, and decided that Apple could do better than those.
So he went about tasking several "competing" teams at Apple with improving the cellphone UI "experience".
Eventually, he picked a "winner", and the R&D team converged on making that Project happen.
It's "beautiful" (personally, I think it looks like a toy) at the expensive of modularity, upgradeability and repairability. If any one single component goes bad, say a RAM chip, the SSD, the GPU or the screen, you have to toss the whole thing and buy another. With a properly designed desktop or laptop PC, I can just swap parts in and out.
But, now you're switching arguments from "just a luxury item" (all form and no substance), to completely different criteria. Nice try.
RAM is (still) easily upgradeable in iMacs. As is the mass-storage (although not as easily).. I assume it will be so in the iMac Pro, too.
And 99% of laptops these days, no matter the brand, are no more repairable for the average person than your TV's Remote Control.
So, it sounds like you would be more of a customer for the upcoming "modular" Mac Pro. No one knows exactly what "modular" means, but "upgradability" (which brings along with it, "repairability") of things like the CPU, GPU, SSD, RAM, etc. were specifically mentioned.
https://www.cultofmac.com/4747...
Now, whether that means that the "modular" Mac Pro simply ends up being Apple's 21st century's "take" on a Tower PC remains to be seen....
Sure thing. Whatever you say.
Just because you can't stand someone not having the exact same opinion as yourself, doesn't make you completely right - even I know that!
I was just saying that you were being picayune about the placement of the back "button", when it is the functionality that counts, at least more than whether you have to move your hand a few inches..
Misconfigured Office is still very much a vector.
FTFY. Macros are disabled by default, and office has been opening files in protected mode, which disables all 'script-like' elements for years. And if you're on a domain, you can tighten those screws even further.
And all of this stuff is built upon design features that were present in NT decades ago, unlike bolt-ons that exist in the Unix world. UNIX had zero protection because it wasn't designed with security in mind. As the designers have admitted years ago. You do have some toys like SELinux/AppArmour but the first thing people want to do is turn them off because they sucks.
I dunno about that.
macOS seems to be doing pretty good in the security department, and it is a UNIX.
How do you plan to save emailed documents to local storage, download files from the internet, then read-write to those files using local programs, etc?
That's easy!
You just turn off the Ransomware Protection, just like everyone did with UAC!!!
I know it's fun to hate on Microsoft but it's worth noting that Linux has no protection from this kind of malware either. With this change the user directory on Windows will actually be more secure than the user directory in Linux.
No, it will just devolve into being a REAL PITA to do ANYTHING that resides inside of your User's directory-tree.
I'm just entirely shocked that Microsoft's stock price hasn't cratered into the pit it deserves. Don't think that the current wave isn't the last or best; ransomware will be iteratively released until bitcoin shoots past $10,000/coin.
Because it's not really hurting Microsoft's pocket. There isn't really a legitimate alternative for windows. The general public seemed baffled by Linux (and Linux isn't getting the marketing spent to promote it). Apple is a walled garden that nobody wants.
Many business apps only run on windows. Microsoft's customers aren't going anywhere.
At least for the Apple case, you are incorrect:
In general:
http://www.vertoanalytics.com/... ...and, more specifically...
"IBM began replacing PCs with Macs in early 2015, when it began giving employees the choice to upgrade to a Mac when their company kit needed upgrading. The data speaks for itself, at IBM an astonishing 73 percent of employees will choose a Mac when they get the chance to choose for themselves"
http://www.computerworld.com/a...
Prediction: It will be exactly 6 months, maybe less, before MS largely defeats this, because, just like UAC, the only way MS knows how to make anything is either COMPLETELY in-your-face to the point of madness, or COMPLETELY useless.
And if the smartphone hadn't already existed and had a million dollar market, Jobs wouldn't have given a microsecond of thought to considering entering the smartphone market.
If Microsoft is Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, then Apple is Chase, Capture, Cripple.
You're just saying he identified a need. So? He identified it before anyone else.