They would still have to invest in an Android and Windows Client, at the very least, and the traffic would have to traverse their network and servers, even from the Android and Windows Clients.
And we aren't talking about SMS/MMS messages. This is streaming audio/video at at least 100 kbps. Not insignificant when multiplied by a zillion Android/Windows users.
Um, maybe even just a few words saying WTF Facetime is? I had to go look it up.
Facetime is Apple's proprietary VoIP protocol and application. And the reason you've never heard of it is because.. well, ok, that's what the article is about: since it's proprietary, nobody is allowed to use it, so it's another technological dead end, killed (or at least in suspended animation) for 20 years.
Why Apple had to invent their own thing instead of just picking some standard, nobody says. But it's not too hard to guess the usual reasons for this kind of crap.
Hmmm. Maybe, just maybe, that is one of the reasons that Apple's Videoconferencing system JUST WORKS, when no one else's does, to a lesser or greater extent.
And yes, at work I have had the misfortune to have to use several of the non-Apple videoconferencing systems. All suck when compared with FaceTime.
There have been articles --too many to even search so I won't bother -- about the video being unnecessary for company, or b2b, calls, when the agenda is what matters more, and not the visual distraction.
You must not do software development/support, or you wouldn't say that.
There's dozens of existing messaging apps, most of which are better than Apple's. Android can use any of them. There's no reason to pollute Android with iOS crap.
Other than the fact that it is vastly superior, or you all wouldn't be pining for the fjords, which is what this ENTIRE article is about!
why anger management course? Surely they are less terrible than gulags but not all people that you want to send to anger management should go there. In fact sometimes anger is justified. I do not see much anger in the GP post anyway.
I think it is Apple's ballgame, and they can let anyone in, or not, as they see fit.
Personally, I think it is simply jealousy on the part of the "other guys"; because Apple has the only truly WORKING system (and yes, I have tried to use others. They ALL range from "Well, I guess it works MOST of the time" to "Are you Fucking KIDDING?!?"
With FaceTime, you Call, you Chat. There is no Step 2.
Okay, how about writing the question properly: Should Apple continue to use a proprietary protocol which excludes most of the planet from communicating with their zealot-like customers who have drunk too much kool-aid to consider open alternatives?
You think THAT is "Writing the question PROPERLY???" Maybe for a Slashtard Hater Anonymous COWARD.
Usually when a slashdot story ends in a question it's an easy "No".
But this time it's different.
The answer is YES (and I'm a video conferencing engineer)
If you are indeed a "Videoconferencing Engineer" (whatever THAT means!), you would already understand why Apple can't, in a practical sense, let everyone use FaceTime's infrastructure (forced upon them as a workaround for Virnext's/SAIC's BOGUS Patents) for free.
And if Apple make FaceTime a subscription service, the all the Slashtards would do nothing but excoriate them for attempting to "Profiteer", even though it would simply be cost-offsetting due to the interposing server requirement necessitated by the Virnext workaround.
Like so many dipshits on Slashdot, you have completely missed the point. It would have become open were it not for douchebag patent trolls.
This. This is THE reason. Yet TFS uses inflammatory language like "broken promises" to up the Click-Count, and yet calls "Virnext" the neutral-sounding term "Company", when they DESERVE the epithet "Patent Troll".
Come on, even the most rabid Apple apologist and fanboy can see the writing on the wall: Hardware that is becoming increasingly hard to modify, proprietary APIs to access that hardware, the hardware itself is proprietary Apple chips (already on iOS and rumor of it coming to the Mac soon as well), proprietary and closed interoperability protocols like AirDrop, AirPlay and Lightning.
If you want to be a corporate shill that's up to you but don't pretend like you are genuinely that stupid frog who doesn't notice the water getting warmer, I don't believe you are actually that dumb.
If you bothered to watch the WWDC Keynote, you would have learned that Apple isn't making macOS into iOS.
They are doing the much smarter approach: porting-over some key frameworks so the DEVELOPERS can more easily PORT iOS Apps to Mac OS. When ported, these become MAC Apps, NOT, NOT NOT "iOS Apps running in some sort of emulation layer", or anything.
And to prove their point (and as a test of the concept), They revealed that four Applications included with macOS Mojave (Voice Memos, Stocks, Home, and one other I can't recall) are, in fact, iOS Apps that have been Ported using this "UIKit" API. Apple demoed each of these Applications (without revealing their former lives as iOS Apps), and, if you bothered to watch the Keynote, you would have seen, as I, and thousands of others, that there was absolutely NO "iOS-ness" about them. None.
Apple is quite clear about their intentions here: there are literally millions of Apps in the iOS App Store. And while Apple fully knows that they aren't all good candidates for Porting, some not-insignificant percentage WILL be. This is a Good Thing for the Mac, and a Good Thing for the Developers, and thus, a Good Thing for Users.
NOW, you are Informed; so you needn't continue to spout your baseless, Hater diatribe.
Probably won't stop you, though. After all, you ARE only an Anonymous COWARD.
Yup, throwing on custom firmware and configs expecting things to not crash occasionally...
or jumping into a router where you can't possibly ever do any of the functions you list?
Yeah, I know which one isn't going to crash (mostly because the user). Any $100+ router I've ever used never needed reboots, and those that are $100 only crash when heavily loaded (which I expect). I've also never recieved a notification to reboot my router, so there's that.
Enjoy being locked to the simple interface.
As usual, the Anonymous COWARD spouts off about how his mythical, $5 device (which, as usual, is NEVER named. Why not, eh? Don't we ALL deserve to know about this GREAT DEAL?) beats the pants off of the "Overpriced" Apple gear.
Funny, that's how these Anonymous COWARD posts almost ALWAYS go.
Seriously, just spend one full month with zero features being added, none at all and let all your coders just try to increase performance, because, Android isn't bad but it's not good. I've been on it for 7 years now and still older iPhones with half the specs feel snappier. I don't care if the iPhone is faking the snappy feel, the end result is it feels right.
Project treble is the first particularly clever sounding, big improvement in a while too, keep at this kind of stuff
I also very much echo the other guy. More emoji? Who cares! This is a bullet point? Really? Really?
But Apple ISN'T faking the Snappier feel! They just know more about ARM than nearly anyone else on the planet, seriously.
Oh, and if you happened to watch the WWDC 2018 Keynote a few days ago, one of the very first things they talked about (maybe even the first) in the iOS segment was that their new version, iOS 12, now in beta release, was SPECIFICALLY redesigned to bring significant performance improvements, ESPECIALLY TO THE OLDEST MODELS supported (which is back to the iPhone 5s, released in 2013).
There is only so much ReNICEing and other skulduggery you can pull to effect those kinds of changes without changing hardware.
Oh, and did I mention that they are doing all this while ALSO significantly improving battery life? (A fact noted by many who have installed iOS 11.4, too).
Oh, and unlike Android Pee, iOS 12 added some SERIOUS meat onto its bones. This is anything but an "Emoji Update":
Doesn't help you right now, but make sure your next phone gets more than a paltry 2-years of support before the manufacturer takes a big steamy dump on you and your still-perfectly-working hardware.
Unicode consortium introduces a bunch of stupid new emoji; response around here: meh Android adds those emoji, response around here: meh Apple adds those same emoji, response around here: OMG APPLE HAS NOTHING, THEY CAN'T INNOVATE ONLY COPY, THEY ARE JUST ADDING STUPID EMOJI LOL NICE UPDATE LOL EMOJI FOR ALL THE LITTLE GIRLS TO USE ON WHATSAPP
Thanks! I fully expected to simply be Punish-Modded into Oblivion, LOL!!!
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And it will let you talk to an entire 43% of the people you want to invite into the chat. Yay!
That's THEIR problem.
Err... Android users.
They would still have to invest in an Android and Windows Client, at the very least, and the traffic would have to traverse their network and servers, even from the Android and Windows Clients.
And we aren't talking about SMS/MMS messages. This is streaming audio/video at at least 100 kbps. Not insignificant when multiplied by a zillion Android/Windows users.
No thank you.
Um, maybe even just a few words saying WTF Facetime is? I had to go look it up.
Facetime is Apple's proprietary VoIP protocol and application. And the reason you've never heard of it is because .. well, ok, that's what the article is about: since it's proprietary, nobody is allowed to use it, so it's another technological dead end, killed (or at least in suspended animation) for 20 years.
Why Apple had to invent their own thing instead of just picking some standard, nobody says. But it's not too hard to guess the usual reasons for this kind of crap.
Hmmm. Maybe, just maybe, that is one of the reasons that Apple's Videoconferencing system JUST WORKS, when no one else's does, to a lesser or greater extent.
And yes, at work I have had the misfortune to have to use several of the non-Apple videoconferencing systems. All suck when compared with FaceTime.
Does Facetime actually bring anything useful to the table?
Yes, as a matter of fact it does.
It works.
Unlike the "System Formerly Known as Lync".
There have been articles --too many to even search so I won't bother -- about the video being unnecessary for company, or b2b, calls, when the agenda is what matters more, and not the visual distraction.
You must not do software development/support, or you wouldn't say that.
Yeah I was surprised the summary indicating companies would care about video messaging, the primary use case is definitely grandparents/grandkids.
And HOW many of those are there?
Sounds like a pretty large market-segment to me...
There's dozens of existing messaging apps, most of which are better than Apple's. Android can use any of them. There's no reason to pollute Android with iOS crap.
Other than the fact that it is vastly superior, or you all wouldn't be pining for the fjords, which is what this ENTIRE article is about!
Apple is the largest contributor to Clang,LLVM, and Webkit. Chances are you've got at least one app that exists because of those tools
And don't forget CUPS; which Apple OWNS outright...
Direct connections are hard to tap, even to see who is talking to who. Having relay servers, now that is useful to many entities.
Not when its end-to-end encrypted.
Its amazing what apple can do with others stolen tech.
What tech did they steal?
They changed their entire protocol and added infrastructure to avoid stealing tech.
Hate much?
No worries, WhatsApp has got you covered: everything Facetime plus group chat, on iOS, Android, and more.
iOS 12 will introduce Group FaceTime with up to 32 participants.
And it won't be hosted by Facesuck.
Use secure, free, open-source solutions where your data and calls are not being collected, and you are not being profiled.
If you think content from your FaceCalls is not stored, you are only kidding yourself.
Prove it, or STFU, Hater!
Only Apple has these problems, and with them it's insurmountable, even though so many other companies can do it today? Right.
Depends on whether you want a "pretty much always works" experience, or a "I GUESS it's ok" experience.
Guess which one Apple supplies, and which one EVERYONE else supplies?
Maybe us Apple zealots don't want to talk to judgmental people like you anyway.
The green chat bubbles, they taints us, my precious.
LOL!
why anger management course? Surely they are less terrible than gulags but not all people that you want to send to anger management should go there. In fact sometimes anger is justified. I do not see much anger in the GP post anyway.
I think it is Apple's ballgame, and they can let anyone in, or not, as they see fit.
Personally, I think it is simply jealousy on the part of the "other guys"; because Apple has the only truly WORKING system (and yes, I have tried to use others. They ALL range from "Well, I guess it works MOST of the time" to "Are you Fucking KIDDING?!?"
With FaceTime, you Call, you Chat. There is no Step 2.
Okay, how about writing the question properly: Should Apple continue to use a proprietary protocol which excludes most of the planet from communicating with their zealot-like customers who have drunk too much kool-aid to consider open alternatives?
You think THAT is "Writing the question PROPERLY???"
Maybe for a Slashtard Hater Anonymous COWARD.
Usually when a slashdot story ends in a question it's an easy "No".
But this time it's different.
The answer is YES (and I'm a video conferencing engineer)
If you are indeed a "Videoconferencing Engineer" (whatever THAT means!), you would already understand why Apple can't, in a practical sense, let everyone use FaceTime's infrastructure (forced upon them as a workaround for Virnext's/SAIC's BOGUS Patents) for free.
And if Apple make FaceTime a subscription service, the all the Slashtards would do nothing but excoriate them for attempting to "Profiteer", even though it would simply be cost-offsetting due to the interposing server requirement necessitated by the Virnext workaround.
Like so many dipshits on Slashdot, you have completely missed the point. It would have become open were it not for douchebag patent trolls.
This. This is THE reason. Yet TFS uses inflammatory language like "broken promises" to up the Click-Count, and yet calls "Virnext" the neutral-sounding term "Company", when they DESERVE the epithet "Patent Troll".
But that doesn't up the Click-Count now, does it?
Come on, even the most rabid Apple apologist and fanboy can see the writing on the wall: Hardware that is becoming increasingly hard to modify, proprietary APIs to access that hardware, the hardware itself is proprietary Apple chips (already on iOS and rumor of it coming to the Mac soon as well), proprietary and closed interoperability protocols like AirDrop, AirPlay and Lightning.
If you want to be a corporate shill that's up to you but don't pretend like you are genuinely that stupid frog who doesn't notice the water getting warmer, I don't believe you are actually that dumb.
If you bothered to watch the WWDC Keynote, you would have learned that Apple isn't making macOS into iOS.
They are doing the much smarter approach: porting-over some key frameworks so the DEVELOPERS can more easily PORT iOS Apps to Mac OS. When ported, these become MAC Apps, NOT, NOT NOT "iOS Apps running in some sort of emulation layer", or anything.
And to prove their point (and as a test of the concept), They revealed that four Applications included with macOS Mojave (Voice Memos, Stocks, Home, and one other I can't recall) are, in fact, iOS Apps that have been Ported using this "UIKit" API. Apple demoed each of these Applications (without revealing their former lives as iOS Apps), and, if you bothered to watch the Keynote, you would have seen, as I, and thousands of others, that there was absolutely NO "iOS-ness" about them. None.
Apple is quite clear about their intentions here: there are literally millions of Apps in the iOS App Store. And while Apple fully knows that they aren't all good candidates for Porting, some not-insignificant percentage WILL be. This is a Good Thing for the Mac, and a Good Thing for the Developers, and thus, a Good Thing for Users.
NOW, you are Informed; so you needn't continue to spout your baseless, Hater diatribe.
Probably won't stop you, though. After all, you ARE only an Anonymous COWARD.
Also, As per usual.
Yup, throwing on custom firmware and configs expecting things to not crash occasionally...
or jumping into a router where you can't possibly ever do any of the functions you list?
Yeah, I know which one isn't going to crash (mostly because the user). Any $100+ router I've ever used never needed reboots, and those that are $100 only crash when heavily loaded (which I expect). I've also never recieved a notification to reboot my router, so there's that.
Enjoy being locked to the simple interface.
As usual, the Anonymous COWARD spouts off about how his mythical, $5 device (which, as usual, is NEVER named. Why not, eh? Don't we ALL deserve to know about this GREAT DEAL?) beats the pants off of the "Overpriced" Apple gear.
Funny, that's how these Anonymous COWARD posts almost ALWAYS go.
So transparent.
Seriously, just spend one full month with zero features being added, none at all and let all your coders just try to increase performance, because, Android isn't bad but it's not good. I've been on it for 7 years now and still older iPhones with half the specs feel snappier.
I don't care if the iPhone is faking the snappy feel, the end result is it feels right.
Project treble is the first particularly clever sounding, big improvement in a while too, keep at this kind of stuff
I also very much echo the other guy. More emoji? Who cares! This is a bullet point? Really? Really?
But Apple ISN'T faking the Snappier feel! They just know more about ARM than nearly anyone else on the planet, seriously.
Oh, and if you happened to watch the WWDC 2018 Keynote a few days ago, one of the very first things they talked about (maybe even the first) in the iOS segment was that their new version, iOS 12, now in beta release, was SPECIFICALLY redesigned to bring significant performance improvements, ESPECIALLY TO THE OLDEST MODELS supported (which is back to the iPhone 5s, released in 2013).
There is only so much ReNICEing and other skulduggery you can pull to effect those kinds of changes without changing hardware.
Oh, and did I mention that they are doing all this while ALSO significantly improving battery life? (A fact noted by many who have installed iOS 11.4, too).
Oh, and unlike Android Pee, iOS 12 added some SERIOUS meat onto its bones. This is anything but an "Emoji Update":
https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-...
Google better give it a name soon. It's very awkward to call it "Android Pee".
I, for one, think it is entirely appropriate.
And just think, you are but three updates away from Android "Shit" and then "Android Turd". ...and you already HAVE the Emoji for those!
(Sorry, couldn't resist!)
Doesn't help you right now, but make sure your next phone gets more than a paltry 2-years of support before the manufacturer takes a big steamy dump on you and your still-perfectly-working hardware.
There's several options out there.
You REALLY mean:
"Make sure your next phone is an iPhone."
It's the only way to be sure...
His point still stands.
Unicode consortium introduces a bunch of stupid new emoji; response around here: meh
Android adds those emoji, response around here: meh
Apple adds those same emoji, response around here: OMG APPLE HAS NOTHING, THEY CAN'T INNOVATE ONLY COPY, THEY ARE JUST ADDING STUPID EMOJI LOL NICE UPDATE LOL EMOJI FOR ALL THE LITTLE GIRLS TO USE ON WHATSAPP
Thanks! I fully expected to simply be Punish-Modded into Oblivion, LOL!!!
Hate to Reply to my own Post; but the Title to my OP, above SHOULD read:
ANDROID is Doomed. Doomed, I Say!!!
It's what I get for posting within 5 minutes of awakening.
But the rest of my OP stands.