...and 157 new Emojis!!!!...And after ALL the unmitigated SHIT you Slashtards give Apple for announcing new Emojis... You turds oughta be ashamed of yourselves!
Full disclosure: If I use 3 Emojis in a week that is a lot for me; but still...
I assume you are joking, but there is some truth in there. If you knew how to use it the Airport made a great home router
No. I was being dead serious.
My Airport Extreme 5th Gen Router NEVER needs a Reboot, has most of the bells and whistles expected in a modern router (separate 2.4 and 5 G Networks, Guest Network, Flexible Port Forwarding, etc.) Plus, I can even securely config. the thing over WiFi from my iPad if I so choose.
Plus it is hands-down the easiest Router I have ever had to set up in Bridge Mode. And it even supports some type of Mesh networking that I have never understood, since I don't have two of them.
Yeah, now I wish I'd gotten one of the "ac" capable ones....
It is generally accepted as fact that it is impossible to prove a Negative.
IOW, you cannot provide EVIDENCE that something DIDN'T occur.
Think about it. Especially since you can't go back in time and remove the humans, then wait and see if the climate behaves in a significantly different manner. There are simply too many uncontrolled (and uncontrollable!) variables.
Reality is SO much more complicated than a computer simulation (especially one that is fed shit data).
I'm worried because I still play Diablo 2, which I'm pretty sure requires OpenGL and I'm pretty sure Blizzard is *not* going to port it to metal.
Why am I playing such an old game? Why should you care? But in my household it has been, and still is, the most played game by everyone. There's a certain amount of game de jour, but in the long term, it always goes back to Diablo 2.
I just realized it will put the final nail in the coffin for the orphaned 3d suite I use. Which sucks, but I've been afraid of OS updates killing it without anything this drastic (not an idle concern as that actually happened while it was still being supported). And the suite is not readily replaced -- it fit a rather specific niche and nothing else does what it did.
Damn.
Again, it's NOT going away today, tomorrow, or maybe even EVER.
Those two standards are just being DEPRECATED. Apple will continue to include those Libraries in macOS for a LONG time.
Your Diablo is safe.
So when Apple comes out with new GPUs in later this year, or next your, do you think they are going to write OpenGL drivers for them?
I do not. This deprecation is to same them the effort, which means we will soon have even more than usually crippled and crappy Macs.
Actually, I am not sure that is correct. I agree it makes sense; but that's extremely pessimistic, IMHO.
I think they will continue to use the drivers they already have, which will work to a great extent; but may not be able to take advantage of the last 10% of the new GPU's features.
GPU mfgs. Generally don't completely remap their internal registers, etc. each time a new speed-bump occurs. They don't fancy creating a brand new Driver each go-around, either. So, there is a great chance that, whatever Driver that macOS includes will work perfectly well for almost all applications, and any NEW performance-oriented s/w will be written to use the Metal API, and it's Driver.
Which should pretty much tell you that OSX is dead now. Apple is just figuring out the recipe for boiling the frogs slowly enough they don't know what is happening. Looks like they go it down
0) Build a large library of applications in the locked down iOS eco system 2) Don't abandon but scale back the technical and QA investments in OSX just enough that people feel it across a few generations. 3) Choke out the MacOS ecosystem by making it complete with iOS apps that can now run on OSX. 4) Convince existing MacOS users to move to iOS devices because hey all your software is iOS apps now anyway. 5) Walled garden complete, semi open platform gone, most customers retained and locked in, profit!
Why do you need approval? On Windows at least (maybe the only good thing about it) is that you don't need Microsoft's permission to run your own software, libraries, drivers, etc.
As I read it, they are actually deprecating the API's, which I would take to mean that while existing applications will continue to work, any (new) applications that utilize them will not pass the criteria for approval.
Which only matters if you are selling them on the Mac App Store.
Ignoring standards, enforcing proprietary interface... no doubt, Apple is the new Microsoft:-/
Last nail in the coffin for the concept of Apple as engineering workstation. But that concept died long ago. Seriously, Apple will get hammered for this one, and not just by engineers. Dropping OpenGL is not an option, there is just too much code in the wild. OpenCL maybe, but I don't see Apple gaining any love for that either, quite the contrary. My take on it: Apple is setting itself up to eat crow a year down the road and humbly slither back into the Vulkan/OpenCL camp.
The only one who gets hurt by this latest "your're holding your headphone jack wrong" blunder is Apple. Can't shed a tear.
For the THOUSANDTH Time: THEY ARE NOT ***DROPPING*** ANYTHING!!!
Your OpenGL and OpenCL Applications WILL WORK for many, many years, and many, many macOS Versions, to come!
Not used to games either I guess, as running older games is a very common occurence. Presumably there'd be a way to add OpenGL back, or is Apple now going to require that all libraries be signed? (it already requires debuggers to be signed which is an immense development headache)
It's STILL THERE, and will be for a LONG, LONG time. Apple is just trying to get Devs. to move to Metal OVER TIME.
That is far more expensive than a single license of CS which could be used for years once you paid for it.
But if you truly ARE a "Pro", that's a ridiculously-insignificant cost. $50 a month is about $150 less than one Graphic Artist's coffee purchases per month.
I'm worried because I still play Diablo 2, which I'm pretty sure requires OpenGL and I'm pretty sure Blizzard is *not* going to port it to metal.
Why am I playing such an old game? Why should you care? But in my household it has been, and still is, the most played game by everyone. There's a certain amount of game de jour, but in the long term, it always goes back to Diablo 2.
I just realized it will put the final nail in the coffin for the orphaned 3d suite I use. Which sucks, but I've been afraid of OS updates killing it without anything this drastic (not an idle concern as that actually happened while it was still being supported). And the suite is not readily replaced -- it fit a rather specific niche and nothing else does what it did.
Damn.
Again, it's NOT going away today, tomorrow, or maybe even EVER.
Those two standards are just being DEPRECATED. Apple will continue to include those Libraries in macOS for a LONG time.
why Apple never got a serious foot hold in the enterprise market
But Apple did, and does, have a serious foothold in the creative industries, and deprecating OpenGL breaks display acceleration in After Effects and Premiere.
Relax! They're just being Deprecated. Those things will still work...
It will likely be another 5 major versions of macOS before they stop being supported entirely.
For example, CarbonLib was Deprecated EONS ago; but I think that QuickTime 7 still works in High Sierra.
Firefox can do this already, but it's not that effective unfortunately.
The real problem these days is fingerprinting. Particularly installed fonts and user agent strings. Those two alone are often pretty unique, and combined with canvas fingerprinting and IP address are very powerful tracking mechanisms.
Unfortunately no browser can block them, and I have not found any plug-in except for NoScript that can block getting a list of installed fonts. There is a tool called "fluxfonts" that randomly installs and removes fake fonts in the background, but it would be nice if a mainstream browser did something about this.
Apple has a solution to "fingerprinting". They return random data.
I admit, I don't know exactly how GrayKey and Cellebrite work. However, if viewed from proper access control and privileges point of view, it shouldn't be possible to siphon the kinds of data (e.g. contacts, calls) that it is reportedly capable of doing.
So, could someone explain to me why they went with a solution that still leaves 1 hour window of opportunity to compromise a phone instead of fixing, what I guess are overly permissive privileges within the file system?
It's not that the privileges are "overly permissive", it's just that, once you're in, it trusts you to be you.
Anything else would be like the first version of UAC in Visturd. Annoying as fuck, with very little additional benefit.
I agree that 1 hour is a bit long; but it probably drops to zero if you have time to lock the phone with the "panic gesture" (press the sleep button 5 times).
Yes, I recall all the useless design "styling" applied to PC cases and laptops, and it was so often just arbitrary rubbish.
Apple is one of the few who came at it like a real industrial designer. Sure there were some big mistakes, but there's notable successes. The MacBook Air has gone TEN years. I have a bunch lying around at work, and at a glance, you cannot tell how old any of them are.
And it would have gone longer if Apple hadn't desired a newer design.
Anyway, big caveat is when one needs to purchase solely based on specs. But for many people that's not a priority.
But all that arbitrary styling rubbish, it was so Rococo. Apple is an exemplary Modernist by comparison.
Yep. You can only tell the new MacBook Pros because their Apple Logo doesn't light up. Or if they are Space Grey. But my 2012 MacBook Pro looks pretty much like any of the "Unibody" versions, until you start inspecting the port-compliment.
It looks like it indeed. That's one of the things I can't replace in that machine: the graphics card.
I usually upgrade the newer Mac OS approximately 6 months after initial release. So, yes, we are on High Sierra by now.
I think your estimate of 5-7 years is a bit high, assuming we want to continue to run OS X (which is what we want, my wife really is as non-technical as they get and this is the best trade-off I found) I didn't know Apple did a N-2 version support (security updates), but apparently it does. According to Wikipedia, a new Mac OS X comes out every year (announcement in June, release in September). This means, that we get 2 years more at most out of it while keeping security updates, which I consider the minimum requirement for a daily driver machine. That means, we will have been able to use it as a daily driver for about 10 years. That is okay. It could be better given the fact that todays machines are so overpowered for normal users, but 10 years is okay.
We'll just see what top of the line iMac is current at that point then, and evaluate whether we want one again. It will depend on my wife.
I wouldn't worry too much about getting Security Updates. Macs are generally quite secure anyway. There still hasn't been an exploit in the wild for macOS that didn't require user permission to install (a/k/a a Trojan).
No, it will just be coded to trigger on a set of keywords. Things like 'demonstration' 'progressive' 'rally' 'liberty' and 'protest.' Also a list of drug culture words, in regions where that is required by the authorities. When the electronics is in place and operating to parse all sound, you're correct that not all sound will be flagged and uploaded.
In order to do that, it has to be "awake" at some level, and if the "trigger" set gets too big, then it cannot do it on-chip.
This isn't "Echelon on your wrist", bozo. But boy did my message-score just go up for invoking that word.
What I want to know is whether my wifes mid-2010 iMac 27" will still be supported. I know, I know, many people will say "that machine is 8 years old, just replace it already". Frankly, I disagree: a Core i7 870 with 32GB is no slouch. It should be fine for years to come.
It unfortunately looks like High Sierra is the end of the line for your wife's iMac. That means, if you haven't upgraded to HS already, now' the time!
Of course, that doesn't mean that your iMac instantly becomes obsolete. Far from it. It just means that you probably have another 5-7 years before it truly becomes unsupported.
And it isn't the CPU, it's the GPU. Mojave is drawing a line in the sand when it comes to "Metal" support. If the GPU doesn't support Metal, then it isn't Mojave-Compatible. Period.
Even the Apple style of laptops seems to be about the same as a 2002 powerbook. Thinner lighter, But still a gray metal laptop.
There are many things one could complain about Apple's laptops, but their design is still very good. Maybe making the same design for such a long time has allowed it to be super optimised, and removed many of the kinks in it. They would need very good reasons to change it in my opinion.
Exactly.
Just like Volkswagen made essentially the same Beetle for a few DECADES, and Volvo made essentially the same car for around 6 years, sometimes a good design only needs the occasionally tweaking.
Seriously, software development should be left to open source communities, so it changes when somebody actually has a need, not for pointess profit and growth's sake.
All those features are both ancient and only neede by a fringe group or are utterly cancer all the way down.
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...and 157 new Emojis!!!! ...And after ALL the unmitigated SHIT you Slashtards give Apple for announcing new Emojis... You turds oughta be ashamed of yourselves!
Full disclosure: If I use 3 Emojis in a week that is a lot for me; but still...
I assume you are joking, but there is some truth in there. If you knew how to use it the Airport made a great home router
No. I was being dead serious.
My Airport Extreme 5th Gen Router NEVER needs a Reboot, has most of the bells and whistles expected in a modern router (separate 2.4 and 5 G Networks, Guest Network, Flexible Port Forwarding, etc.) Plus, I can even securely config. the thing over WiFi from my iPad if I so choose.
Plus it is hands-down the easiest Router I have ever had to set up in Bridge Mode. And it even supports some type of Mesh networking that I have never understood, since I don't have two of them.
Yeah, now I wish I'd gotten one of the "ac" capable ones....
The Judge's Order is untenable.
It is generally accepted as fact that it is impossible to prove a Negative.
IOW, you cannot provide EVIDENCE that something DIDN'T occur.
Think about it. Especially since you can't go back in time and remove the humans, then wait and see if the climate behaves in a significantly different manner. There are simply too many uncontrolled (and uncontrollable!) variables.
Reality is SO much more complicated than a computer simulation (especially one that is fed shit data).
I don't see it on the list, and I'm pretty sure that they write their own Firmware. Never heard of an exploit of an Apple Router. Ever.
Apple, PLEASE come back to the Router Business!!!!
And, while you're at it, please add AirPlay 2 support to the AirPort Express 2 Router/DAC!!!
I'm worried because I still play Diablo 2, which I'm pretty sure requires OpenGL and I'm pretty sure Blizzard is *not* going to port it to metal.
Why am I playing such an old game? Why should you care? But in my household it has been, and still is, the most played game by everyone. There's a certain amount of game de jour, but in the long term, it always goes back to Diablo 2.
I just realized it will put the final nail in the coffin for the orphaned 3d suite I use. Which sucks, but I've been afraid of OS updates killing it without anything this drastic (not an idle concern as that actually happened while it was still being supported). And the suite is not readily replaced -- it fit a rather specific niche and nothing else does what it did.
Damn.
Again, it's NOT going away today, tomorrow, or maybe even EVER.
Those two standards are just being DEPRECATED. Apple will continue to include those Libraries in macOS for a LONG time.
Your Diablo is safe.
So when Apple comes out with new GPUs in later this year, or next your, do you think they are going to write OpenGL drivers for them?
I do not. This deprecation is to same them the effort, which means we will soon have even more than usually crippled and crappy Macs.
Actually, I am not sure that is correct. I agree it makes sense; but that's extremely pessimistic, IMHO.
I think they will continue to use the drivers they already have, which will work to a great extent; but may not be able to take advantage of the last 10% of the new GPU's features.
GPU mfgs. Generally don't completely remap their internal registers, etc. each time a new speed-bump occurs. They don't fancy creating a brand new Driver each go-around, either. So, there is a great chance that, whatever Driver that macOS includes will work perfectly well for almost all applications, and any NEW performance-oriented s/w will be written to use the Metal API, and it's Driver.
A dictionary of 500 words to scan for is completely feasible.
Wtf is the bozo shit about? The guy who threw slang like that around is long dead. Any amusing dogcow anecdotes to share with us?
No, the last whiff of that culture at Apple is gone. They're as lively a corporate culture as Panasonic or Mattel now.
Still not buyin' it.
Which should pretty much tell you that OSX is dead now. Apple is just figuring out the recipe for boiling the frogs slowly enough they don't know what is happening. Looks like they go it down
0) Build a large library of applications in the locked down iOS eco system
2) Don't abandon but scale back the technical and QA investments in OSX just enough that people feel it across a few generations.
3) Choke out the MacOS ecosystem by making it complete with iOS apps that can now run on OSX.
4) Convince existing MacOS users to move to iOS devices because hey all your software is iOS apps now anyway.
5) Walled garden complete, semi open platform gone, most customers retained and locked in, profit!
Heck there isnt even a ??? step
You are 100% FULL OF SHIT.
Why do you need approval? On Windows at least (maybe the only good thing about it) is that you don't need Microsoft's permission to run your own software, libraries, drivers, etc.
And you REALLY think that isn't true on macOS?
As I read it, they are actually deprecating the API's, which I would take to mean that while existing applications will continue to work, any (new) applications that utilize them will not pass the criteria for approval.
Which only matters if you are selling them on the Mac App Store.
Ignoring standards, enforcing proprietary interface... no doubt, Apple is the new Microsoft :-/
Last nail in the coffin for the concept of Apple as engineering workstation. But that concept died long ago. Seriously, Apple will get hammered for this one, and not just by engineers. Dropping OpenGL is not an option, there is just too much code in the wild. OpenCL maybe, but I don't see Apple gaining any love for that either, quite the contrary. My take on it: Apple is setting itself up to eat crow a year down the road and humbly slither back into the Vulkan/OpenCL camp.
The only one who gets hurt by this latest "your're holding your headphone jack wrong" blunder is Apple. Can't shed a tear.
For the THOUSANDTH Time: THEY ARE NOT ***DROPPING*** ANYTHING!!!
Your OpenGL and OpenCL Applications WILL WORK for many, many years, and many, many macOS Versions, to come!
They are simply DEPRECATING those standards.
Not used to games either I guess, as running older games is a very common occurence. Presumably there'd be a way to add OpenGL back, or is Apple now going to require that all libraries be signed? (it already requires debuggers to be signed which is an immense development headache)
It's STILL THERE, and will be for a LONG, LONG time. Apple is just trying to get Devs. to move to Metal OVER TIME.
Sheesh!
That's $600 per year. Every year.
That is far more expensive than a single license of CS which could be used for years once you paid for it.
But if you truly ARE a "Pro", that's a ridiculously-insignificant cost. $50 a month is about $150 less than one Graphic Artist's coffee purchases per month.
I'm worried because I still play Diablo 2, which I'm pretty sure requires OpenGL and I'm pretty sure Blizzard is *not* going to port it to metal.
Why am I playing such an old game? Why should you care? But in my household it has been, and still is, the most played game by everyone. There's a certain amount of game de jour, but in the long term, it always goes back to Diablo 2.
I just realized it will put the final nail in the coffin for the orphaned 3d suite I use. Which sucks, but I've been afraid of OS updates killing it without anything this drastic (not an idle concern as that actually happened while it was still being supported). And the suite is not readily replaced -- it fit a rather specific niche and nothing else does what it did.
Damn.
Again, it's NOT going away today, tomorrow, or maybe even EVER.
Those two standards are just being DEPRECATED. Apple will continue to include those Libraries in macOS for a LONG time.
Your Diablo is safe.
why Apple never got a serious foot hold in the enterprise market
But Apple did, and does, have a serious foothold in the creative industries, and deprecating OpenGL breaks display acceleration in After Effects and Premiere.
Relax! They're just being Deprecated. Those things will still work...
It will likely be another 5 major versions of macOS before they stop being supported entirely.
For example, CarbonLib was Deprecated EONS ago; but I think that QuickTime 7 still works in High Sierra.
In other news, Apple wants to be the only one to be able to track its demographic to perform targeted advertising.
Except they don't. And the truth is in the fact that I have NEVER seen an Apple-related ad show up anywhere that wasn't completely expected.
Firefox can do this already, but it's not that effective unfortunately.
The real problem these days is fingerprinting. Particularly installed fonts and user agent strings. Those two alone are often pretty unique, and combined with canvas fingerprinting and IP address are very powerful tracking mechanisms.
Unfortunately no browser can block them, and I have not found any plug-in except for NoScript that can block getting a list of installed fonts. There is a tool called "fluxfonts" that randomly installs and removes fake fonts in the background, but it would be nice if a mainstream browser did something about this.
Apple has a solution to "fingerprinting". They return random data.
This is also silly design. It should be possible to wipe and reset it.
Who says there isn't?
If you have the "Wipe after 10 tries" switched-on, then it will do that anyway.
I admit, I don't know exactly how GrayKey and Cellebrite work. However, if viewed from proper access control and privileges point of view, it shouldn't be possible to siphon the kinds of data (e.g. contacts, calls) that it is reportedly capable of doing.
So, could someone explain to me why they went with a solution that still leaves 1 hour window of opportunity to compromise a phone instead of fixing, what I guess are overly permissive privileges within the file system?
It's not that the privileges are "overly permissive", it's just that, once you're in, it trusts you to be you.
Anything else would be like the first version of UAC in Visturd. Annoying as fuck, with very little additional benefit.
I agree that 1 hour is a bit long; but it probably drops to zero if you have time to lock the phone with the "panic gesture" (press the sleep button 5 times).
Yes, I recall all the useless design "styling" applied to PC cases and laptops, and it was so often just arbitrary rubbish.
Apple is one of the few who came at it like a real industrial designer. Sure there were some big mistakes, but there's notable successes. The MacBook Air has gone TEN years. I have a bunch lying around at work, and at a glance, you cannot tell how old any of them are.
And it would have gone longer if Apple hadn't desired a newer design.
Anyway, big caveat is when one needs to purchase solely based on specs. But for many people that's not a priority.
But all that arbitrary styling rubbish, it was so Rococo.
Apple is an exemplary Modernist by comparison.
Yep. You can only tell the new MacBook Pros because their Apple Logo doesn't light up. Or if they are Space Grey. But my 2012 MacBook Pro looks pretty much like any of the "Unibody" versions, until you start inspecting the port-compliment.
It looks like it indeed. That's one of the things I can't replace in that machine: the graphics card.
I usually upgrade the newer Mac OS approximately 6 months after initial release. So, yes, we are on High Sierra by now.
I think your estimate of 5-7 years is a bit high, assuming we want to continue to run OS X (which is what we want, my wife really is as non-technical as they get and this is the best trade-off I found) I didn't know Apple did a N-2 version support (security updates), but apparently it does. According to Wikipedia, a new Mac OS X comes out every year (announcement in June, release in September). This means, that we get 2 years more at most out of it while keeping security updates, which I consider the minimum requirement for a daily driver machine. That means, we will have been able to use it as a daily driver for about 10 years. That is okay. It could be better given the fact that todays machines are so overpowered for normal users, but 10 years is okay.
We'll just see what top of the line iMac is current at that point then, and evaluate whether we want one again. It will depend on my wife.
I wouldn't worry too much about getting Security Updates. Macs are generally quite secure anyway. There still hasn't been an exploit in the wild for macOS that didn't require user permission to install (a/k/a a Trojan).
No, it will just be coded to trigger on a set of keywords. Things like 'demonstration' 'progressive' 'rally' 'liberty' and 'protest.' Also a list of drug culture words, in regions where that is required by the authorities. When the electronics is in place and operating to parse all sound, you're correct that not all sound will be flagged and uploaded.
In order to do that, it has to be "awake" at some level, and if the "trigger" set gets too big, then it cannot do it on-chip.
This isn't "Echelon on your wrist", bozo. But boy did my message-score just go up for invoking that word.
What I want to know is whether my wifes mid-2010 iMac 27" will still be supported. I know, I know, many people will say "that machine is 8 years old, just replace it already". Frankly, I disagree: a Core i7 870 with 32GB is no slouch. It should be fine for years to come.
It unfortunately looks like High Sierra is the end of the line for your wife's iMac. That means, if you haven't upgraded to HS already, now' the time!
Of course, that doesn't mean that your iMac instantly becomes obsolete. Far from it. It just means that you probably have another 5-7 years before it truly becomes unsupported.
And it isn't the CPU, it's the GPU. Mojave is drawing a line in the sand when it comes to "Metal" support. If the GPU doesn't support Metal, then it isn't Mojave-Compatible. Period.
Even the Apple style of laptops seems to be about the same as a 2002 powerbook. Thinner lighter, But still a gray metal laptop.
There are many things one could complain about Apple's laptops, but their design is still very good. Maybe making the same design for such a long time has allowed it to be super optimised, and removed many of the kinks in it. They would need very good reasons to change it in my opinion.
Exactly.
Just like Volkswagen made essentially the same Beetle for a few DECADES, and Volvo made essentially the same car for around 6 years, sometimes a good design only needs the occasionally tweaking.
Seriously, software development should be left to open source communities, so it changes when somebody actually has a need, not for pointess profit and growth's sake.
All those features are both ancient and only neede by a fringe group or are utterly cancer all the way down.
So, ignore them.
He likes to suck men's dicks, so automatic AIDS detection would be very beneficial to him.
Sounds like someone feels a little threatened.